Sept 11 Prize

[Siji]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... conspiracy

September 11 conspiracy theorist offers prize

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Jimmy Walter has spent more than $3 million (1.5 million pounds) promoting a conspiracy theory the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States were "an inside job" and he is offering more cash to anyone who proves him wrong.

The millionaire activist is so convinced of a government cover-up he is offering a $100,000 reward to any engineering student who can prove the World Trade Centre buildings crashed the way the government says.

"Of course, we expect no winners," Walter, 57, heir to an $11 million fortune from his father's home building business, said in a telephone interview from California on Wednesday.

He said a panel of expert engineers would judge submissions from the students.

Next month, he also launches a nationwide contest seeking alternative theories from college and high school students about why New York's World Trade Centre collapsed. The contest offers $10,000 to the best alternative theory, with 100 runner-up awards of $1,000. Winners will be chosen next June.

The World Trade Centre's twin towers were destroyed after hijackers slammed two commercial airliners into them. The attack in New York killed 2,749 people.

Various official investigations give no credence to Walter's theory. A September 11 commission spokesman did not return calls seeking comment.

Walter insists there had to be explosives planted in the twin towers to cause them to fall as they did, and also rejects the official explanation for the damage done at the Pentagon (news - web sites).

"We have all the proof," said Walter, citing videotapes and testimony from witnesses.

"It wasn't 19 screw-ups from Saudi Arabia who couldn't pass flight school who defeated the United States with a set of box cutters," he said. He dismissed the official September 11 commission report, saying, "I don't trust any of these 'facts.'"

Walter has spent millions of dollars to bolster support for his case, running full-page ads in The New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, The New Yorker and Newsweek, as well as alternative newspapers and 30-second TV spots.

He points to a Zogby poll he commissioned last summer that showed 66 percent of New Yorkers wanted the 9/11 investigation reopened.

Walter has spent about 30 percent of his net worth on his efforts.

"I am a patriot fighting the real traitors who are destroying our democracy. I resent it when they call me delusional," he said.

[Winnow]

Lyndon Johnson had to off the president to get Vietnam cranked up. Perhaps it's not so far fetched to consider 911 an inside job to get things rolling in Iraq and Afghanistan for the war industry.

If you downloaded the movie I linked at the bottom of this thead:

http://www.veeshanvault.org/forums/view ... conspiracy

you'd see that there are valid questions about how the World Trade Centers and especially building 7 collapsed.

While the narrator is pretty kooky, the facts presented are interesting. It's worth checking out at least once to give you an idea of the multitude of oddities in the various 911 events.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

I guess all the video cameras that actually captured the second plane hitting the WTC was faked footage. And the phone calls and debris from the other plane that the passengers overtook was fake too.

This guy should be put to death for stupidity.

[Lalanae]

I guess all the video cameras that actually captured the second plane hitting the WTC was faked footage. And the phone calls and debris from the other plane that the passengers overtook was fake too.

This guy should be put to death for stupidity.

If one could be put to death for stupidity, we wouldn't have been graced by your presence these many years.

[Lynks]

I guess all the video cameras that actually captured the second plane hitting the WTC was faked footage. And the phone calls and debris from the other plane that the passengers overtook was fake too.

This guy should be put to death for stupidity.

I don't think the conspiracy is that it never happened, he thinks it was an inside job.

Try reading more than just the title ok?

[Kylere]

This is idiotic, you all seem to think they President you think is a moron who is capable of managing and covering up the most complex covert op in the history of this country?

Can't people see the illoigc of that?

If you think Cheney is the real mastermind, you think that any organization capable of doing such a thing would be incapable of handling the goverment better than Kerry?

Hell if Bush et al, did in fact orchestrate 9/11 then they are the most capable mother fuckers on the planet, and I WANT them running the country.

[Lohrno]

Hell if Bush et al, did in fact orchestrate 9/11 then they are the most capable mother fuckers on the planet, and I WANT them running the country.

--Tin foil hat on--

What if the real people masterminding this (maybe not either Cheney or Bush) had little more in mind than to profit from all of this? Smart but evil...

-=Lohrno

[Zaelath]

This is idiotic:
You all seem to think they President you think is a moron who is capable of managing and covering up the most complex covert op in the history of this country?

Can't people see the illoigc of that?

If you think Cheney is the real mastermind, you think that any organization capable of doing such a thing would be incapable of handling the goverment better than Kerry?

Hell if Bush et al, did in fact orchestrate 9/11 then they are the most capable mother fuckers on the planet, and I WANT them running the country.

Slight edit so it makes sense

[Winnow]

This is idiotic, you all seem to think they President you think is a moron who is capable of managing and covering up the most complex covert op in the history of this country?

Can't people see the illoigc of that?

If you think Cheney is the real mastermind, you think that any organization capable of doing such a thing would be incapable of handling the goverment better than Kerry?

Hell if Bush et al, did in fact orchestrate 9/11 then they are the most capable mother fuckers on the planet, and I WANT them running the country.

Who's to say the president and Cheney involved? This goes deeper! The power behind the throne so to speak.

Did you watch the video or are you just making a comment without doing some basic research? I'm not talking about the kooky guy's conclusions but the data he presents.

Whenever anyone thinks something is crazy, all you have to do is refer them to the Kennedy Assasination. That took place right under our nose (well our parent's noses) and it took quite awhile before it's pretty much accepted that what we were told isn't what happened.

[Cotto]

Is he not getting at the fact that they shouldnt really have collapsed after a plane hit them, and hinting maybe some structural support was sabotaged, or not even built as it should have been.

Read somewhere also that the pentagon plane hit was more likely to be fake, what with the lack of an actual plane being in the wreakage or something.

[Kylere]

Jesus, I was in typo mode LOL

But seriously, people cannot have it both ways, either Bush and company are fools, or they are brilliant masterminds who could plot the most massive cover up in the last 50 years, you make the call.

I stand by the fact that if they are that intelligent, capable and evil, I would rather have them on my side. But the reality check is that they are not that capable and the dems have not run anyone that capable against them, The 9/11 attack was the work of a homocidal organization dedicated to killing anyone who does not believe in Allah the same way that they do. Anyone who thinks otherwise is probably stupid enough to think that we faked the moon landing and that Mapquest is just a tool to let the Antichrist find you.

[Kelshara]

I don't really believe in any conspiracy theories but there are a lot of really really strange things surrounding 9/11. Anyone who wont even admit that is pretty blind imho.

As for Bush and co.. I consider Bush an idiot and several of the people surrounding him highly intelligent.. and very dangerous.

[Tyek]

So somehow the government started working in the building weakening the structure or planting bombs and of course no one noticed. Or they loaded the planes with material to generate massive heat and the airlines just decided to sacrifice the lives of their people, customers, and several planes. They also almost bankrupted the industry so that we could go to war with those countries.

Bush did a fine job of just doing what he wanted, he did not need those incidents to do this. He could have just used the Sadam has weapons of mass destruction lie he ended up using anyway. If you want to say he used the incidents to profit from it, I would not disagree, but I find it hard to believe the conspiracy theory.

Weird things happen, they happen every day, does that mean they are all conspiracies. I seriously doubt any building was built to sustain not one, but 2 attack in the same basic area. The other building being destroyed could be a result of the dramatic trama that occured.

We have all the proof," said Walter, citing videotapes and testimony from witnesses

Then show it and pay the person for the proof.

[Winnow]

So somehow the government started working in the building weakening the structure or planting bombs and of course no one noticed. Or they loaded the planes with material to generate massive heat and the airlines just decided to sacrifice the lives of their people, customers, and several planes. They also almost bankrupted the industry so that we could go to war with those countries.

Did you watch the video or are you just speculating as well? I'm not big on conspiracy stuff but there are major issues with 911.

It's not just the buildings, it's the planes that hit them. The obvious disfiguration of the fuselage on the second plane is another oddity. The key to getting the most out of a movie that questions the common belief is to ignore conclusions made by anyone and consider each item that is questioned by itself without tying it into a conspiracy or the accepted story told by whatever the government concluded.

The WTC's pancaking is questionable by itself but the guy in this video provides an excellent case for it to be virtually impossible for building 7 to pancake demolition style later on just like the WTCs. It's worth a look. The movie is linked above with an explanation and what to expect out of it. (like the guy going nuts with low budget special effects...text flying all over the screen etc) I even provide a link for the codec in case you don't have it.

As I've said before, I'm not sold on any version of what happened on 911 so it doesn't hurt to get another viewpoint. Trust your own ability to separate when the guy goes off on his own theories and when he presents data that is certainly worth pondering.

Here for the lazy peeps, this was my post on the other thread while back:

OK, thanks to Midnyte for finding me a place to host the movie.

A few things about the documentary so you know what to expect.

-the guy that made the documentary must have just learned how to use a new video application because text and pictures fly all over the screen for the first few minutes like he was trying to use every feature available and then it settles down.

-the narrator has a semi annoying voice and does tend to jump to his own conclusions throughout the presentation. Pay attention to the science and data he presents and ignore his personal opinions.

-The first part deals with the pentagon and the second deals with the WTCs and surrounding buildings. He goes on a rant about how things are presented in the media and coverups after that.

-it's a little less than 400mb for a 2 hour movie so you may want to keep it windowed as full screen is watchable but a tad grainy. Righ click and save the file to your hard drive. It's not a good idea to open a 400mb file directly before saving it.

- It's in Divx format. Most of you probably have the divx codec on your computers. Any self respecting pr0n watcher has divx. If the movie doesn't work, go here and download the free version of divx. You don't need to install the pro version, you don't need to provide a legit email address, and you don't need to install the divx player. Once you install the codec (7mb file), windows media player or any other video player you use should work fine.

http://www.divx.com/divx/download/

He presents quite a bit of data. Give it about 8 minutes before he settles down. If nothing else, you'll learn about the difference between rockets and jet engines, fuel fireballs and explosives, the structure of buildings, and even a bit about the oklahoma bombing.

If someone successfully downloads and plays it, let me know.

Here you go:

An Analysis of the 911 Attack. Right Click me and save target to your Hard Drive

[Tyek]

I am downloading now, and you know this is undoctored footage how?

some more 9/11 conspiracies
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/05172002.shtml
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/w ... 1101aa.htm
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm

Ok so far I am watching this and his proof is that the internet people are saying it is a scam. he also claims a dog never found a body but was he there?

Ok so now we sent a missile into the penthouse? Does he ever get to what happened to the people in the flight if it did not crash because so far this is stupid.

One other question I would have is what possible reason would there be to attack the Pentagon when that is clearly the only military target. It provokes the least response of the attacks becasue it was an actual military facility. The other attacks were far more inflammatory and likely to upset the population.

[Winnow]

I am downloading now, and you know this is undoctored footage how?

some more 9/11 conspiracies
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/05172002.shtml
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/w ... 1101aa.htm
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm

It's not doctored. Just raw footage from news networks. BTW, it's a 2 hour video. The first hour deals with the Pentagon plane crash and the second hour deals with the World Trade Center buildings and building 7 just in case you want to see the WTC only or first. He really does do an excellent job presenting the case that there's no reason at all for building 7 to have collapsed and breaks down the WTC structure, impacts, etc as well.

Voro, Arb and others would appreciate the science in the video! You learn about rocket and jet engines, how fire affects steel beams, the difference between jet fuel explosions and high intensity explosions, etc! : )

[Tyek]

So we took the people out of the plane, destroyed said plane and then put the people in a room and bombed them? That is more viable then some terrorist sneaking past lax security and attacking. And we planned this all inless then one year so we can attack 2 small countries for their oil?

THEN Bush uses the Weapons of Mass Destruction line instead?

Or some pyscho people decided to make a point and did it.

I was also in Vegas when the Aladin hotel was being built. A floor of the hotel collapsed and created a pancake effect that leveled a bunch of floors. This happened without a large plane crashing into it.

[Winnow]

So we took the people out of the plane, destroyed said plane and then put the people in a room and bombed them? That is more viable then some terrorist sneaking past lax security and attacking. And we planned this all inless then one year so we can attack 2 small countries for their oil?

THEN Bush uses the Weapons of Mass Destruction line instead?

Or some pyscho people decided to make a point and did it.

I was also in Vegas when the Aladin hotel was being built. A floor of the hotel collapsed and created a pancake effect that leveled a bunch of floors. This happened without a large plane crashing into it.

Quit trying to come up with a theory and watch the movie. I said some of his speculations are just that. Just look at the data presented for the pentagon and WTCs etc and not what he or anyone else speculates about a grand conspiracy throey which is just total guesswork.

You don't need to know who was behind it or why to understand that building 7's collapse is extremely suspect. It's also not the presenter's place to speculate on what happened to the flight if it didn't hit the pentagon, just present the data at the pentagon on whether a 757 could have hit the pentagon with the damage and other evidence available.

Keep an open mind at least for the length of the video.

[Tyek]

I watched the whole thing and the science was interesting, but his speculation was less then believable.

I would be open to the fact that we may have known this was coming earlyand ignored the warning, but the idea that we did this to ourselves to start some war or whatever other warped idea these people come up with is more far fetched then the fact that some planes were crashed into a building. As for buildings being destroyed when others were not, have you seen pics of the fires in So Cal where every house around one was destroyed but one stands untouched. Nature is weird, the building could have been poorly built, the ground may have been more susceptable to vibration, or something else.

He talks about a conspiracy theory but the conspiracy that he is discussing would take more then 1 year to put together. People think Bush could come up with this AND rigging an election? Come on, he isn't smart enough to do one of those things, much less 2. Yes I know he has intelligent people behind the scenes, but with the scope of the conspiracy suggested here someone would have broken ranks at this point.

And yes he has a really annoying voice.

[Winnow]

He talks about a conspiracy theory but the conspiracy that he is discussing would take more then 1 year to put together. People think Bush could come up with this AND rigging an election? Come on, he isn't smart enough to do one of those things, much less 2. Yes I know he has intelligent people behind the scenes, but with the scope of the conspiracy suggested here someone would have broken ranks at this point.

And yes he has a really annoying voice.

Aye, that's why I recommended watching for the the data he presents and not his own expanded theories. You've got to admit, he brings up some good questions. I don't expect anyone to believe his grand conspiracy theory, only to question if the physics of what happened match the story we were told.

It's worth a view for that reason alone.

[Fairweather Pure]

It's the same people that faked the moon landing!

[Zaelath]

And really, the best questions about the Pentagon are; if there's nothing to hide, why won't you release the footage?

If you don't think it's possible that parts of your own government could attack landmarks to further their own agenda, good, that's how they like it.

If you swallow everything any given conspiracy theorist says about an event, you're just as stupid.

If you believe everything the government tells you and lack the capacity to form your own opinion based on observation, you're Rekaar.