Oxford English Dictionary

Midnyte_Ragebringer · December 16, 2004, 3:01 pm

They have added new words....Very dishearting...

The following completely new entries were added to OED Online on 9 December 2004:

always-on, a.
amped, a.1
amped, a.2
Benjamin, n.4
guido, n.
hoochie, n.2
sheesh, int.
supersize, a. and n.
supersize, v.
super-sized, a.
thugged out, a.
trampy, a. (and adv.)
vig, n.
wigger, n.

There are more. These are just the ones that made me shake my head.

Tenuvil · Post by **Tenuvil** » December 16, 2004, 3:15 pm

Especially the "guido" one, hmm? Like to see the definitions of that...hope one says "see IROC"

It's really nothing to get disheartened (edit: or even "dishearted") about, the OED always adds popular slang terms to the dictionary on a routine basis. Take heart!

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » December 16, 2004, 3:17 pm

Why shake your head? Do you want to be like TEH FRENCHIES and ty to legislate language?

Fash · Post by **Fash** » December 16, 2004, 3:22 pm

I'm all for expanding the language... I'd only shake my head at the worthless slang terms that come from 'tha urbz'...

wigger??? in the dictionary???
thugged out - adjective - looking like a felonious black man.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · December 16, 2004, 3:25 pm

Tenuvil wrote:Especially the "guido" one, hmm? Like to see the definitions of that...hope one says "see IROC"

ROFL

I'm a Guido, so I appreciate that one.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » December 16, 2004, 4:18 pm

Fash wrote:I'm all for expanding the language... I'd only shake my head at the worthless slang terms that come from 'tha urbz'...

wigger??? in the dictionary???
thugged out - adjective - looking like a felonious black man.

A lot of words we use today started out as slang years ago. The OED is a record of the English language. Whether you like certain words or not, they are part of our language. I'm sure some people once thought some of the words you use today were "worthless."

I don't get why anyone would give a shit if slang is added to the OED. Even being slightly bothered by it is fucking silly.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » December 16, 2004, 4:25 pm

Lalanae wrote: A lot of words we use today started out as slang years ago. The OED is a record of the English language. Whether you like certain words or not, they are part of our language. I'm sure some people once thought some of the words you use today were "worthless."

I don't get why anyone would give a shit if slang is added to the OED. Even being slightly bothered by it is fucking silly.

Yup. For instance the word gay. Now it only means homosexual. But not too long ago, even 50 years ago, people used it to mean just happy. What are the last lines of the flintstones themesong?

"A dabba doo time. We'll have a gay ol time!"

I'm pretty sure they meant happy, and not that Barney wanted Fred's HOT MANSAUCE!

-=Lohrno

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » December 16, 2004, 4:46 pm

Lohrno wrote:
Lalanae wrote: A lot of words we use today started out as slang years ago. The OED is a record of the English language. Whether you like certain words or not, they are part of our language. I'm sure some people once thought some of the words you use today were "worthless."

I don't get why anyone would give a shit if slang is added to the OED. Even being slightly bothered by it is fucking silly.
Yup. For instance the word gay. Now it only means homosexual. But not too long ago, even 50 years ago, people used it to mean just happy. What are the last lines of the flintstones themesong?

"A dabba doo time. We'll have a gay ol time!"

I'm pretty sure they meant happy, and not that Barney wanted Fred's HOT MANSAUCE!

-=Lohrno

Flinstones was less than 50 years ago so that must mean that Fred and Barney were flamers!

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » December 16, 2004, 4:48 pm

Winnow wrote: Flinstones was less than 50 years ago so that must mean that Fred and Barney were flamers!

While I won't discount the possibility, that probably isn't what the song meant. See how the word changed so dramatically in so short a period of time?

-=Lohrno

Midnyte_Ragebringer · December 16, 2004, 4:49 pm

Lalanae wrote:
I don't get why anyone would give a shit if slang is added to the OED. Even being slightly bothered by it is fucking silly.

There's the intolerance for others peoples feelings we were discussing on the other thread.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » December 16, 2004, 4:53 pm

We'll is this better:

"I'm sorry Midnyte that you have great big stick up your ass, so that the OED adding slang words makes your anus raw. I'll send you some advice on treating piles in a PM, because the last thing I want is for you to have an itchy painful bum...I care about your welfare so much. *HUGGLES*"

Midnyte_Ragebringer · December 16, 2004, 5:00 pm

Lalanae wrote:We'll is this better:

"I'm sorry Midnyte that you have great big stick up your ass, so that the OED adding slang words makes your anus raw. I'll send you some advice on treating piles in a PM, because the last thing I want is for you to have an itchy painful bum...I care about your welfare so much. *HUGGLES*"

I'm not sure what your infatuation with my ass is all about, but umm whatever.

I happen to find the decline in the English launguage disturbing. I don't feel I should have to apologize or feel bad because I happen to want America's standards not to fall any more than they already have been over the past couple decades. Yeah, wow, what a terrible person I am.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » December 16, 2004, 5:02 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote: I'm not sure what your infatuation with my ass is all about, but umm whatever.

I happen to find the decline in the English launguage disturbing. I don't feel I should have to apologize or feel bad because I happen to want America's standards not to fall any more than they already have been over the past couple decades. Yeah, wow, what a terrible person I am.

On what are you basing the assertion that the English language can get better or worse? I always thought it just was.

I can see it being better or worse in terms of vocabulary - IE you have more or less ways to express yourself, but how it can get worse by adding words puzzles me.

-=Lohrno

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » December 16, 2004, 5:11 pm

Whats wrong with adding words? Nothing wrong with progress or evolving.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » December 16, 2004, 5:14 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Lalanae wrote:We'll is this better:

"I'm sorry Midnyte that you have great big stick up your ass, so that the OED adding slang words makes your anus raw. I'll send you some advice on treating piles in a PM, because the last thing I want is for you to have an itchy painful bum...I care about your welfare so much. *HUGGLES*"
I'm not sure what your infatuation with my ass is all about, but umm whatever.

I happen to find the decline in the English launguage disturbing. I don't feel I should have to apologize or feel bad because I happen to want America's standards not to fall any more than they already have been over the past couple decades. Yeah, wow, what a terrible person I am.

No one said you were terrible, just silly and ignorant. You obviously don't have a clue about linguistics. There is no "standard" with the English language. Different vernaculars are more or less appropriate in different environments, but there is not one set of rules. Its all a part of the English language. Whether we call a friend "cohort", "buddy," or "homie" the meaning is still the same. You can't assign value to one over the other. You can't assign value to any word.

"What’s in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet"

Midnyte_Ragebringer · December 16, 2004, 5:36 pm

Whelp you have your opinion and I have mine. Hope that is okay with you. Too bad you must label me as ignorant and silly because I share a differing opinion than yours, but I guess that is just the way some people are. /shrug

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » December 16, 2004, 5:38 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Whelp you have your opinion and I have mine. Hope that is okay with you. Too bad you must label me as ignorant and silly because I share a differing opinion than yours, but I guess that is just the way some people are. /shrug

No wait Midnyte I am curious how you came to form your opinion on how the english language can get worse with the addition of a few words.

-=Lohrno

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » December 16, 2004, 5:47 pm

Yes, please, lets see the basis of your "opinion" if you aren't ignorant. You can't say that adding slang words makes a language worse, when many of the words you find acceptable started out as slang. Do you not realize that?

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » December 16, 2004, 6:30 pm

/shrug comes into mind... it also resembles "sheesh"

Apostate · Post by **Apostate** » December 16, 2004, 6:38 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote: I happen to find the decline in the English launguage disturbing. I don't feel I should have to apologize or feel bad because I happen to want America's standards not to fall any more than they already have been over the past couple decades. Yeah, wow, what a terrible person I am.

You can only consider standards falling if it becomes more difficult to communicate in a competent way. Being more formal than a situation demands can make you just as ineffective a speaker as not being formal enough.

Precise, proper english that you'd use in a formal setting with the educated elite of our culture is still markedly different in speech patterns from a generation before, just as that generation's speech patterns are significantly different from one further back. Try reading standard english from say, the 19th century, and realize that formal english then would sound so stilted by todays standards it would not be appropriate for any kind of formal setting- it would be as inappropriate for its pretentiousness as vulgar slang would be for its informality. Mentioning that you took a 'taxi' to work wouldn't catch notice from your boss, saying that you took a 'taximeter cabriolet' (the original form of 'taxi' from turn of the century) probably wouldn't reflect well on you.

Language declining is a fallacy. Only speakers can decline in whether they can effectively communicate in a situation or not.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » December 16, 2004, 6:41 pm

Apostate wrote:Language declining is a fallacy. Only speakers can decline in whether they can effectively communicate in a situation or not.

Well said, Apostate.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » December 16, 2004, 6:49 pm

'taximeter cabriolet'

That makes my nervis huge.

PS: Well said, Apo

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » December 16, 2004, 7:04 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:They have added new words....Very dishearting...

What does dishearting mean? I wasn't able to find it at dictionary.com

-=Lohrno

Thess · Post by **Thess** » December 16, 2004, 7:04 pm

Lohrno wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:They have added new words....Very dishearting...
What does dishearting mean?

-=Lohrno

lol

Homercles · Post by **Homercles** » December 16, 2004, 7:21 pm

wigger??? in the dictionary???

Thats a good addition to the dictionary. Its a very good point total word for scrabble! You land a triple word score with a "w" and two "g"s and you're sittin pretty.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » December 16, 2004, 9:30 pm

I pass for a "w" and me and my "g's" like to hang out, is that a high scrabble score?

Dexail · Post by **Dexail** » December 16, 2004, 10:12 pm

as long as you don't mind "Fo shizzle my nizzle" being accepted in casual conversation in 10 years. Being recognized in a dictionary gives it a certain substance. My English teacher would turn over in her grave.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » December 16, 2004, 10:14 pm

Dexail wrote:as long as you don't mind "Fo shizzle my nizzle" being accepted in casual conversation in 10 years. Being recognized in a dictionary gives it a certain substance. My English teacher would turn over in her grave.

Well, the word 'Fuck' is in the dictionary. That doesn't mean you should be using it at a business meeting. It's perfectly normal and acceptable to say fuck here.

As has been said, there's a time and place for everything.

-=Lohrno

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » December 16, 2004, 11:10 pm

Is wigger one of those guys from the Wiggles?

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » December 17, 2004, 12:03 am

Marbus wrote:Is wigger one of those guys from the Wiggles?

That would be a wiggler, I think you mean, one of those guys that puts wigs on people's heads.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » December 17, 2004, 9:57 am

Fucking right-wing politically-correct thought-control bullshit. Yeah, censor the dictionary so the words don't hurt people's feelings.

If a liberal-leaning organisation had suggested removing these words Midnyte & co would have had another collective anal prolapse.

Dexail · Post by **Dexail** » December 17, 2004, 10:33 am

I'm not advocating censoring the dictionary. I'm just concerned about the use of slang words, which are becoming more accepted and commonplace. In my opinion, adding them to the dictionary gives them a certain credibility.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » December 17, 2004, 10:38 am

Lol Tanc

Language creation is what seperates us from other animals, what is teh (An example = teh) problem here?

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » December 17, 2004, 2:36 pm

Dexail wrote:I'm not advocating censoring the dictionary. I'm just concerned about the use of slang words, which are becoming more accepted and commonplace. In my opinion, adding them to the dictionary gives them a certain credibility.

The dictionary (by definition) is a place to find the meanings of some words. If you don't know what Fo Shizzle my Nizzle means, well, it's good if you can go look it up. Do words like 'Swell' (50's Dennis the Menace meaning), 'Broad', etc. concern you?

-=Lohrno

MooZilla · Post by **MooZilla** » December 19, 2004, 1:59 am

vn_Tanc wrote:Fucking right-wing politically-correct thought-control bullshit. Yeah, censor the dictionary so the words don't hurt people's feelings.

If a liberal-leaning organisation had suggested removing these words Midnyte & co would have had another collective anal prolapse.

holy shit i just spilled my coke laughing

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