The pictures you don't see

Midnyte_Ragebringer · December 11, 2004, 12:29 pm

miir · Post by **miir** » December 11, 2004, 12:42 pm

Congrats for finding a dozen Iraqi children that are happy about the US occupation of their country.

*yawn*

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » December 11, 2004, 12:45 pm

Amusing thing, I can guarantee you they did not write those signs themself. They were given them. But I guess it is OK for journalists to create setups like this as long as it is pro-Bush eh?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · December 11, 2004, 12:48 pm

Kelshara wrote:Amusing thing, I can guarantee you they did not write those signs themself. They were given them. But I guess it is OK for journalists to create setups like this as long as it is pro-Bush eh?

Here we go. Yet another Kelshara guarantee. Look at yourself before you trash outward. Maybe its okay if its anti-Bush, but a set up when it's pro-Bush. Maybe you have the problem fucktard.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » December 11, 2004, 1:20 pm

Oohh niec way to deflect the point without giving it any answer at all! You are such an idiot when it comes to debating, arguing or even just throwing racist crap around.

No it isn't ok either way. But you worship this while bitching, whining and moaning if it dares go against Oh Glorious Bush and the US of fucking A!

I laugh at you. You are a sad and pathetic person. And I feel sorry for the people around you who have to breathe the same air as you do.

Oh and btw, wtf does looking at myself have to do with anything? You see, I DO speak English (among other languages). Young Iraqi kids (or very old ones for that matter) generally do not. And definitely wouldn't write in a typical western style.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » December 11, 2004, 1:35 pm

More pictures you don't see!

HIGHLY GRAPHIC

http://airamericaradio.com/shows/randir ... h/03f8.jpg

http://airamericaradio.com/shows/randir ... h/03f6.jpg

http://airamericaradio.com/shows/randir ... h/03f7.jpg

http://airamericaradio.com/shows/randir ... h/03f9.jpg

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/gallery/album ... home_s.jpg

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/gallery/album ... ome_in.jpg

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » December 11, 2004, 1:39 pm

In the first picture Mid posted, bottom right corner, that kid looks fucking happy! Even the kid behind him too!

Edit: The preceding statement was sarcastic. BTW, I wonder who/what he is looking at?

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » December 11, 2004, 1:43 pm

That's some really good Photoshopping Mid.

Thess - those might need a bit of a graphic image warning. Glad they are out there but wasna't ready for them over my cheerios.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » December 11, 2004, 1:46 pm

Here Lynks more happy children

Graphic
http://airamericaradio.com/shows/randir ... 751356.jpg

Thess · Post by **Thess** » December 11, 2004, 2:00 pm

Toshira wrote:That's some really good Photoshopping Mid.

Thess - those might need a bit of a graphic image warning. Glad they are out there but wasna't ready for them over my cheerios.

Fixed.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » December 11, 2004, 3:59 pm

He did find the Iraqi Dr Suess,

"Iragi people happy today
Thank you thank you
USA"

So give him credit for that.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » December 11, 2004, 4:17 pm

People are people. You can't assume that one group of people has only one view.

-=Lohrno

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » December 11, 2004, 4:49 pm

And a kind of story you don't see...

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedc ... /32140.htm

November 24, 2004 -- ASK Americans about Abu Ghraib and chances are Pfc. Lynndie England and her infamous leash come to mind. But just in time for Thanksgiving, we now have a new image: the smile on an Iraqi 1-year-old.

In America smiles on children's faces are taken for granted. But Baby Tabby's smile was hard won. Born in the shadow of Abu Ghraib prison, Tabby suffered from two ugly, grapefruit-sized hemangiomas (tumors) on either side of her face and a drooping lower lip that together made it impossible for her to take solid food.

Tabby owes her new face to a volunteer effort all the more extraordinary because most of the principals have never met. They include Iraqis and Americans, civilians and soldiers, doers and donors, who came together, usually via the Internet, to do whatever it took to get this child to the Hemangioma Treatment Foundation in Charleston, S.C., for the operations needed to save her little life.

"It's just so gratifying," says Dr. Marcelo Hochman, the surgeon who led the team that removed the tumors. "When you see how overwhelmed and happy her father is, well, you know you'd do anything for that look."

Hemangioma isn't normally life-threatening, but in Tabby's case the tumors grew to humongous proportions, a problem compounded by an undiagnosed heart defect. When Iraqi doctors said they couldn't treat her, local sheiks brought Tabby's desperate father to the prison gates at Abu Ghraib.

Immediately America's little platoons — and not just the military ones — mobilized. A Utah National Guardsman who oversees an effort to distribute toys to Iraqi children used his Web site to mount the appeal for Tabby. "I know there are dying children all over the world and we can't save them all," he wrote back on Sept. 6. "But we can save this one."

The blogosphere kicked in. An account was set up for people to donate cash and frequent flier miles to get Tabby first to Jordan (for a U.S. visa) and then to America. And, just four days after the appeal went out, the answer came: "Tell the family that there is no need to panic — we can help her," wrote Dr. Hochman.

But the doctor points out that he was but one link in a long chain of volunteers that stretched from Cmdr. Louis Tripoli, USN, and Gunnery Sgt. Mike McVicar, USMC, in Iraq to the South Carolina law firm that handled the complex paperwork and the U.S. senators who put the pressure on to get Tabby's dad a visa, too. Cmdr. Tripoli's parents back in Pennsylvania even flew to Amman, Jordan, to bring Tabby and her dad to Charleston.

They landed near midnight on Oct. 22. The first tumor was removed a week later; the second, a week after that. A few days ago, another surgical team closed the hole in her overworked little heart they'd discovered during examinations.

Her medical treatment is far from over, but Dr. Hochman reports that the child is doing beautifully and that her father is one overwhelmed and grateful Iraqi citizen.

The saving of Baby Tabby doesn't mean bad things aren't happening elsewhere. But it is as much a part of the American legacy at Abu Ghraib as the Kodak moments caught by Pfc. England & Co. It's no coincidence, moreover, that when Tabby's story was told to a national American audience, it would be the Fox News Channel that did it.

Skeptics, of course, might tell you that focusing on Tabby's smile risks putting a false face on war that is larger and more complicated than could ever be captured in a single image, however powerful. Sound advice. And presumably worth heeding amid the countless journalistic hours now devoted to a single segment of tape capturing a split-second decision by a young Marine in combat.

MooZilla · Post by **MooZilla** » December 11, 2004, 5:00 pm

there nothig fucking cool about that kid covered in blood, seing that his mom and dad are probably already dead.

midnyte, you're still a fucktard. iraq is still a mess. how much right wing cock do you suck a day to get them to pay for your 3 meals a day?

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » December 11, 2004, 5:02 pm

Just so you know, just because there a few good incidents it does not mean the whole country is throwing flowers at our soldiers' feet. A broader picture of things is necessary when dealing with international policy.

-=Lohrno

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » December 11, 2004, 5:30 pm

yaaaaay! Using teh childruuuun for trolling! Must be a slow day on VV!

MooZilla · Post by **MooZilla** » December 11, 2004, 5:35 pm

....yeah

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » December 11, 2004, 6:11 pm

Jeeze all of you suck. Very nice.

Please include aborted fetuses and whatever else you can find for other theads as well.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » December 11, 2004, 6:51 pm

Ever seen the genocide awareness project?

MooZilla · Post by **MooZilla** » December 11, 2004, 7:00 pm

Winnow wrote:Jeeze all of you suck. Very nice.

Please include aborted fetuses and whatever else you can find for other theads as well.

we're trying to prove a point here

iraq isnt a little game of candyland with pink fluffy bunnies and happy children like mindyte thinks it is. over 100,000 iraqi civillians have died because of this war, and he dosent seem to understand that.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » December 11, 2004, 7:00 pm

I was told by a professor at my local college - who may or may not have the best grasp on things - that the 'thumbs up' gesture in Iraq is their version of the middle finger.

Truth to that or no?

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » December 11, 2004, 7:24 pm

Akaran_D wrote:I was told by a professor at my local college - who may or may not have the best grasp on things - that the 'thumbs up' gesture in Iraq is their version of the middle finger.

Truth to that or no?

Doubtful...

I spent 6 months in the Middle East when I was in the military, as part of that Multinational Force and Observers.

Biggest things I can recall was:

1. Never offer to shake hands with your left hand (or was it the right?) or eat with your left hand, which was considered a rather major insult or faux pas
2. When sitting never point the soles of your feet at anyone
3. Never stare at something someone has in their home or otherwise. In their culture they feel some kind of obligation to give you the item you are staring at, but also a return gift is expected.

Some of this is a little fuzzy as it was so long ago, but those were the major things I remember. I don't recall anything about using the thumb up gesture.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » December 11, 2004, 8:46 pm

MooZilla wrote:
Winnow wrote:Jeeze all of you suck. Very nice.

Please include aborted fetuses and whatever else you can find for other theads as well.
we're trying to prove a point here

iraq isnt a little game of candyland with pink fluffy bunnies and happy children like mindyte thinks it is. over 100,000 iraqi civillians have died because of this war, and he dosent seem to understand that.

I know you're still in High School and may not know this, but there's no point to prove with pictures of maimed babies.

For example, you could flood this newsgroup with partial birth abortion fetuses and anything else that you fing gross about abortion and it won't change my support of the right to abort.

The same goes for pictures of dead or maimed kids in Iraq. I don't really want to see happy kids in Iraq at this point either as kids really don't have an opinion either way, they just have to live through it for better or worse.

BTW, name one person here that thinks Iraq is "game of candyland with pink fluffy bunnies and happy children". I certainly am aware that there are positives and negatives in war and any positive outcome you show here can be countered with a bloody baby. It proves nothing except to demonstrate people's lust for negativity.

Since anything positive is met with hostility on this fucked up liberal whiner board, I suggest Midnyte keep any good news to himself. There is zero chance to make a natural born whiner change their tune no matter what is happening in the world even if it's exactly what they wanted...should have done it faster, should have done this..should have done that...I'm 90 and about to die but had a great life..."yeah but if you died earlier you wouldn't have had to pay all that insurance these past few years!" Nothing's ever good enough for the whiner. I'll die a conservative, having lived my life with much less time wasted complaining about everything and more time spent enjoying my life.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » December 11, 2004, 8:53 pm

That was basically my point, for every good picture that can be found from Iraq, there are 10 more of people maimed, dead, etc. The only reason the pictures I posted are up on the web, is because some guy started a website and posting all the pictures to a blog.

Edit: And before people say it's on air america radio, it's simply because that guy needed their hosting for the amount of traffic he was getting to his website.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » December 11, 2004, 9:11 pm

I'll die a conservative, having lived my life with much less time wasted complaining about everything and more time spent enjoying my life.

Seems to me you complained quite a bit in that post of yours, and have in countless others. You see, you bitch and whine no less than anyone else. It just seems like it from your point of view.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » December 11, 2004, 9:38 pm

Kelshara wrote:
I'll die a conservative, having lived my life with much less time wasted complaining about everything and more time spent enjoying my life.
Seems to me you complained quite a bit in that post of yours, and have in countless others. You see, you bitch and whine no less than anyone else. It just seems like it from your point of view.

It's ok to whine about whiners!

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » December 11, 2004, 9:47 pm

Pretty lame whoever edited that picture to say 'Fuck Muslims -- Midnyte'

Some of you people need professional help.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » December 11, 2004, 9:55 pm

Winnow wrote:
Kelshara wrote:
I'll die a conservative, having lived my life with much less time wasted complaining about everything and more time spent enjoying my life.
Seems to me you complained quite a bit in that post of yours, and have in countless others. You see, you bitch and whine no less than anyone else. It just seems like it from your point of view.
It's ok to whine about whiners!

Yeah, like the niggers, and the spics, etc. The only reason liberals are seen as whining more is that conservatives don't feel they can get away with whining about the shit that irritates them publically. Hypocrites.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » December 11, 2004, 10:08 pm

In Midnyte voice :

Here is a gay aborted baby.

http://www.abortiontv.com/images/03_09.JPG

This was to be a blackie.

http://www.abortiontv.com/images/SalineFetus.JPG
So see abortion is a good thing.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » December 11, 2004, 10:10 pm

Seriously tho. After reading and seeing pictures. I have been 100% on the side of Pro Choice, but with that choice brings way too much sorrow. I can only hope people choose this option as a last resort to save the mothers life, or in the event of the baby being severly crippled/retarded, or rape. Otherwise my opinion has changed to abortion isn't right at all.

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » December 11, 2004, 10:20 pm

Here's another picture you never see on the so-called "news".

Yoo can't hide the truth from us forever, libiril medea!!!

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » December 11, 2004, 11:16 pm

Raistin:
Fuck you.

Tinkin Tankem · Post by **Tinkin Tankem** » December 12, 2004, 2:41 am

Awe, don't be so upset, they're only fetuses and they're not living nor were they.

Trias · Post by **Trias** » December 12, 2004, 3:06 am

the dime in the fetus picture kinda adds humor!

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » December 12, 2004, 3:45 am

Why fuck me? why not fuck you.

Its not like I had some scrabled eggs after I posted that. I'm not saying I was blind to the fact what abortions do. But after really looking at the photos, its hard, very very hard to believe we allow teens and stupid adults to perform abortions just because they dont want a baby.

Now posting photos of Iraq kids all banged up, missing feet and such thats ok. But for me to post pictures of deaths of pre born babies in the USA causes you to say fuck you to me? ok.

Im starting to sound like a Bush supporter

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » December 12, 2004, 5:57 am

Raistin wrote:But for me to post pictures of deaths of pre born babies in the USA causes you to say fuck you to me? ok.

Im starting to sound like a Bush supporter

My only issue is... Why are you singling out the US? Like the United States is the only country where abortion occurs.

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » December 12, 2004, 6:19 am

Aruman wrote:
Raistin wrote:But for me to post pictures of deaths of pre born babies in the USA causes you to say fuck you to me? ok.

Im starting to sound like a Bush supporter
My only issue is... Why are you singling out the US? Like the United States is the only country where abortion occurs.

I don't see anything in his statement that suggests the obviously ridiculous notion that abortion only occurs in the U.S. He simply said the pictures were of abortions that occurred in the U.S. Would it not be equally ignorant to claim they originated from somewhere that they, in fact, did not?

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » December 12, 2004, 11:10 am

Spang · Post by **Spang** » December 12, 2004, 11:36 am

let's post some pics of slaughtered cows and pigs!

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » December 12, 2004, 12:15 pm

WOW!!! I see how you Liberal pussys work, " Lets kill them before the come out of the womb" I could post pictures of people killed by the US in Iraq all day and it wouldnt scratch the surface of how many people Saddam and his loving (Dead) sons killed not to mention all the murdered babys the liberals support the abortion of. You say you dont belive in God well for your sake I hope your right if not your fucked.

So in a nutshell if I condoned the murder of millons of innocent children un born I would not belive in god either.

So a hearty FUCK YOU!!! murders!!!

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » December 12, 2004, 1:00 pm

It's a shame your mother didn't abort you. I bet she regrets that to this very day. Btw for somebody who whacks off so much while yelling "Liberal Pussies!" you might want to spell it correctly. Oh and so since if I killed you it wouldn't scratch the amount of people killed in the US by Americans it would be ok then?

Anyway, most pictures used by anti-abortion (I refuse to use the pro-life name because it is ridiculous) are not of normal abortions at all. Something to keep in mind.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » December 12, 2004, 1:20 pm

there are abnormal abortions?

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » December 12, 2004, 2:21 pm

Why fuck you?
Fuck you for posting them as a non link.
Fuck you for being pro choice after seeing them.
You want mto say fuck me for being pro war? Go right ahead. I think it's fucking horrible that children die in war. I think it's fucking horrible that the Iraqi people didn't dispose of their leader who tortured hundreds of thousands of people in his reign - men, women, children - and I'm sorry as fuck we were the ones that had to do it. It's horrible that the children had to suffer, but for the grace of God at least they were able to be born to begin with and maybe one day they'll see a brighter, happier place... something the half formed pieces of flesh never got the chance to do so.

So again, fuck you, fuck Mid, fuck you all if it makes you feel any fucking better.

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » December 12, 2004, 2:23 pm

I think Cart's head just popped

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » December 12, 2004, 2:46 pm

Fuck you for being pro choice after seeing them.

Excuse me? Fuck him for making decisions based on reason instead of emotion?

Any pro-choice person who is not an idiot understands that blood may be involved in abortion.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » December 12, 2004, 3:04 pm

It is not reasonable to justify the murder of a baby unless the mtoher's life is in danger.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » December 12, 2004, 3:15 pm

Clearly you have not read any of the plethora of abortion threads that have floated about prior to this.

If you had any desire to be slightly reasonable about this, I would point out that the fact that pictures were taken, displayed, or viewed, does not in any way change the inherent morality of the action. Why should intelligent people with well thought through opinions change those opinions based on something which is irrelevant to the issue at hand?

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » December 12, 2004, 3:23 pm

How about "clearly I have but I think you're full of shit" about it, hm?

You're pro choice. Good for you. I am very glad I don't have whatever life experience you've had to warrant comming to such a decision. Pictures or no, I beleive that abortion in almost all cases is one of the most morally twisted acts in the history of this world.

I am a very reasonable person about most things in life; I'm not even completely against abortion (I beleive it should only be done in cases where the mother's life is in danger and possibly rape/incest). But for you to tell me that it's ok to kill babies using "reason"... you're full of it.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » December 12, 2004, 3:25 pm

It's not reasonable to believe in God either btw. Doesn't seem to stop you though.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » December 12, 2004, 3:27 pm

It's not reasonable to believe that we were just accidently created by chance either, but it doesn't seem to stop you.