ShowEQ programmer "Ratt" goes off on Verant

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 1, 2002, 4:16 pm

He sounds pissed....

I'm making a definitive post on the matter... Whoeve the brainiac at Verant was that said "Hey, what a good idea, lets make it so SEQ has to use the EQ machine to get the key!" was just signed their own termination papers... or if that persons boss is smart, that's what would happen.

The fact is, with the lid blown off of the Linux version, forcing us to use a leech on the Windows machine, there is absolutely, positively no reason not to have a WinSEQ... and it is now inevitable anyway. If we don't do it, someone else will... because the port really is trivial.

The social contract that we've enjoyed for so long has been broken by some idiot brain (hows that for an oxymoron?) and the corporate suit who agreed with it (who obviously had absolutely no concept of the implications of his or her actions)... and since it's been broken... as I say on the main page... Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war!

I hope Verant is prepared to ban $100,000's in revenue... because the download staticsics on the new libEQ.a were startling, even to me. I had no idea so many *UNIQUE* people were using libEQ.a.

In one way, it's sad... it's the end of an era. In another way, it's funny... the absolute hell and damnation they have just brought down upon themselves is staggering. Prepare for an onslaught of thounds upon thousands of users using SEQ ... prepare for mass bannings. Prepare for chaos and stupdity... but in the end, SEQ will still exist and Verant will be out HUGE monetary sums from the bannings.

Welcome to your own little corner of Hell, SOE... you have no one to blame but yourselves for this. I hope the millions of dollars per year of lost revenue will make up for banning the *mostly* responsible SEQ users out there.

SOE can't stop SEQ... that's what at the root of the humor. It will always be there, in one form or another. They had a nice little deal going here, keep it contained and as responsible as reasonably possibe, for ZERO development and operational costs. Now, not only are they going to have to expend resources to find and detect SEQ users, but they will ALSO lose revenue with the banned accounts. This is a NO WIN situation for Verant. There is no possible financial benefit to this move, ALL POSSIBLE outcomes are detrimental to the profitablity of EQ as a commercial entity.

Instead, they've chosen the path of chaos, and not even Sony can tame chaos in any meaningful and lasting way. So let them reap the chaos whirlwind they have sown. I will not hold it in check any longer. Let the Windows versions flow! Let the commercial products SELL. LET THEM RUIN THEIR OWN GAME with the thoundsands of moronic idiots using SEQ.

The bar has been broken, there will be NO barrier to entry now, and there WILL be a bannings aplenty, make no mistake. I expects hundreds, if not THOUSANDS of bannings. I expect utter horror and chaos, ridiculous actions by SOE and othe opposition. But in the end, this will only harm us, the players, because the game will be ruined in new and imaginitive ways... because Verant can't stop them all... and they will keep coming, and coming... and coming. But by harming us, they harm themselves, because they slowly erode their player base.

I wish good luck to the Verant programmers, because I know their life just turned into a living hell... most just don't know it yet.

I liken the new order to Echo Star hacking. The smartcards DTV and Echostar use for encryption are INFINITELY more secure than the joke crap that Verant could use (because the smart cards are ASICs designed SPECIFICALLY AND SOLEY TO do FAST, SECURE decryption)... but Dish and DTV can't stop the signal theft? Why? Because you CAN'T STOP the dedicated hordes of people that work for free. You CAN'T thrown enough money at a problem to overcome thoundands of people, working together and seperately for a common goal... all for free.

If Huges Networks, and Echostar can't defeat the problem with sophisticated smart cards and tens of millions of dollars spent per year to prevent people from intercepting HEAVILY encrypted signals, do you think the piddly little budget of EQ can even get close? Haha, not a chance.

Anyway... it was a good show the whole time and very enjoyable. I'm sad that it has come to this. The rushing flood waters are already speeding towards the little EQ village... what will remain standing after the wave crashes over the town limits is anyones guess. I feel I played fair and did my part in the whole EQ deal and there was nothing more I could have done, so I am comfortable. Now it's SOE's job to pick up the pieces in the aftermath. I don't envy anyone that job, and I feel bad for some of you that are going to get washed away (banned) by the flood. The only advice I can offer you is DON'T BE STUPID. Think about what you are doing before you do it. If you don't feel comfortable with your conclusions, ASK... and then weigh the risks. I also suggest you pick up a good C++ or VB book and figure out how to write your own key sniffer.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a war to fight. Oh wait... no I don't... I can just let the waves of inevitibility wash over our opponents and crush them far quicker and easier than I could ever manage with my meager resources. Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war indeed...

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » November 1, 2002, 4:40 pm

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 1, 2002, 5:02 pm

HACK TEH PLANET DOODS!

Post by **Xouqoa** » November 1, 2002, 5:17 pm

You've seen that horrible movie too, eh?

The only good part was Angelina Jolie.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 1, 2002, 5:20 pm

You are incorrect. The only good part of it was Jonny Lee Miller.

Why is this showeq nerd declaring war on verant all of a sudden? he isn't aware that this open letter is a great big giant SUE ME INTO OBLIVION PLZ declaration?

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » November 1, 2002, 5:31 pm

Apparently, Sony has started encrypting packets sent to and from the EQ client, meaning SEQ will now have to run on the same machine as EQ and sniff data out of resident memory after it's decrypted.

The hacker is pissed because this means he will have to port SEQ to Windows in order to keep cheating.

Cry me a fucking river.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 1, 2002, 5:55 pm

Hackers wasn't that bad of a movie. It had good music. If they made a realistic hacker movie everyone would be asleep in the theatre watching geeks suck down jolt colas banging away on their keyboards.

"There is no right and wrong. There's only fun and boring. "

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » November 1, 2002, 6:07 pm

Kinda liked the movie.

Kinda not sure why this guy just went nutso now.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » November 1, 2002, 6:09 pm

Fuck him and everyone that used his program.

I liked Hackers. I can't put my finger on exactely why, but I did.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » November 1, 2002, 6:12 pm

This guy is plenty fucking stupid to be writing this.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » November 1, 2002, 6:22 pm

This guy is dumb as fuck, I mean he is like Kyoukan level ignorant.

"Wah wah wah you broke my hack I am going to war, My mommy does not give me enough attention" is all he is saying. Well big whoopty-do, SEQ is lame, people that have to have it to play EQ are lame, and whiny bitches when it breaks are lame. Christ, EQ is not rocket fucking science.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » November 1, 2002, 6:38 pm

Anyone else notice his attempt at psychology there, by mentioning in every other sentence how many millions of dollars this was going to cost SOE? Not subtle at all though. At least he paid attention in psyche 101.

Diae Soulmender · Post by **Diae Soulmender** » November 1, 2002, 6:39 pm

I think you all read that letter incorrectly.

Having encryption methods directly on the home PC running under WindowsXXX basically gives anyone with a half a brain the ability to write there own Windows Version of ShowEQ. Having ShowEQ run only under Linux where it would sniff packets coming in over your hub was a non-intrusive way of 'cheating' and a way not 'many' could do due to there limited computer/unix knowledge. Now having this key on the client machine itself just opened the flood gates of hell TO Verant because every nutcracker in the world who can program in C++ and VB is going to go insane writing 'programs' and 'cheats'.

Let the bannings.... BEGIN!!

Neost · Post by **Neost** » November 1, 2002, 6:47 pm

And if that key is ripped out of memory on the client machine, the only way Verant can tell if you are using it is if they scan your running processes or some such to see if you are running something like this. So if they start banning people for using some windows based 3rd party program, you have to wonder if they've decided to go over that line and start checking your computer when you connect to EQ. They would be able to tell if you are running EQW, or any other program.

You want Sony intruding into your computer?

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » November 1, 2002, 6:51 pm

Umm Diae, any idiot can setup a linux box, hell on Ebay and Playerauctions people selling everything from cd's and instructions to fully setup systems for months.

Linux used to be HARD, now with redhat installer and such it is not any harder than getting memory handled in DOS 6.0 to run games.

Millie · Post by **Millie** » November 1, 2002, 7:06 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:Anyone else notice his attempt at psychology there, by mentioning in every other sentence how many millions of dollars this was going to cost SOE? Not subtle at all though. At least he paid attention in psyche 101.

Heh. I was also amused by his Philosophy 101 reference to a "social contract." ^_^

Diae Soulmender · Post by **Diae Soulmender** » November 1, 2002, 7:08 pm

True true, but there still takes 'some' know how to get ShowEQ running....

and yes to that other post on Verant 'scanning' your machine for running processes. I betcha money they begin doing 'something' of that nature. Now Im CERTAIN they do not want to fall in to the old Microsoft trap and get some class action suits against them for Invasion of Privacy.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » November 1, 2002, 7:17 pm

While linux has gotten much easier, and RedHat is a joy... it STILL served as a barrier to stopping most people from using Seq.

The ShowEQ community, not only worked hard to continue making showeq better, they also worked for keeping it on linux. People who asked questions about WinSEQ were flamed, banned, etc. Verant programmers often posted replies to Ratt himself when he would point a finger at a problem.

All they did right now was add one more level, but a level that would require interactivity between the windows machine and the linux machine.... a necessity for integration that begs the question why bother.. just build the showeq for windows now....

They had an unwritten agreement, and Verant decided to break it. Now showEQ will likely become as common as EQW. Most of what Ratt said made sense except I don't see the banning coming....

ShowEQ was not "cheating", it was just having a friend on the inside.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » November 1, 2002, 7:20 pm

This was on graffe boards too. It had a pretty good reply of Absor laughing at it.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 1, 2002, 7:20 pm

RH 8 installs quicker and easier than windows in my opinion.

SEQ though from what i've looked at does require you to know a bit about linux, know your way around the filesystem, use basic commands, compiling, etc.

never ended up getting around to checking it out in game, but i was curious to see what it was like.

i do have a serious problem if soon we see as part of the EQ EULA that they can scan processes on my machine. hell that might already be a part of the EULA.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » November 1, 2002, 7:26 pm

I remember Smedley already saying they would not scan processes... right around the time brad mcquaid left... which I hear is because of a registered letter smedley recieved detailing evidence of the eq client scanning/sending info it shouldn't..

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 1, 2002, 8:14 pm

BTW, hacking DirecTV is much more fun and rewarding than SEQ.

As with SEQ, there are legitimate reasons to hack DirecTV. For example, you can pay for every service DTV has to offer and still not get your local blacked out NFL games or local channels due to the cable fags and probably something that involves canadians. Paying for NFL Ticket and then hacking DTV so you get your local Football games and stations isn't so bad. Getting a third LNB to receive the HDTV Showtime signal sucks though.

The #1 reason canadians are still in my book is that most of the DirecTV hackers are in canada as their govenment won't allow them to legally purchase DirecTV because it's too "Americanized".

Back on topic: kyoukan sucks.

cid · Post by **cid** » November 1, 2002, 8:23 pm

Winnow wrote:BTW, hacking DirecTV is much more fun and rewarding than SEQ.

As with SEQ, there are legitimate reasons to hack DirecTV. For example, you can pay for every service DTV has to offer and still not get your local blacked out NFL games or local channels due to the cable fags and probably something that involves canadians. Paying for NFL Ticket and then hacking DTV so you get your local Football games and stations isn't so bad. Getting a third LNB to receive the HDTV Showtime signal sucks though.

The #1 reason canadians are still in my book is that most of the DirecTV hackers are in canada as their govenment won't allow them to legally purchase DirecTV because it's too "Americanized".

Back on topic: kyoukan sucks.

The best reason to hack DTV is 594-598

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 1, 2002, 8:27 pm

cidvicious wrote:
Winnow wrote:BTW, hacking DirecTV is much more fun and rewarding than SEQ.

As with SEQ, there are legitimate reasons to hack DirecTV. For example, you can pay for every service DTV has to offer and still not get your local blacked out NFL games or local channels due to the cable fags and probably something that involves canadians. Paying for NFL Ticket and then hacking DTV so you get your local Football games and stations isn't so bad. Getting a third LNB to receive the HDTV Showtime signal sucks though.

The #1 reason canadians are still in my book is that most of the DirecTV hackers are in canada as their govenment won't allow them to legally purchase DirecTV because it's too "Americanized".

Back on topic: kyoukan sucks.

The best reason to hack DTV is 594-598

well...yeah : ) 596 > all

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 1, 2002, 8:40 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:Anyone else notice his attempt at psychology there, by mentioning in every other sentence how many millions of dollars this was going to cost SOE? Not subtle at all though. At least he paid attention in psyche 101.

That and publically stating a threat to reverse engineer verant's encryption code in order to cause them financial damages makes him liable for both civil and criminal punishment. Most reverse engineers can get away with hacking shit like online games because they use the excuse that they are just doing it to expose how lax their security is, or because of some sort of altruism.

This guy just stepped hisself into a whole pile of legal shit. A first year law student could ruin him in court with evidence like this, much less SOE's army o' lawyers.

If I worked at Verant I would be elated by reading this. They are going to destroy him.

As an aside, it never ceases to amaze me how eager you Toolz are to get torn apart by me in every single thread on this board. Why do you go looking for it? You are like those stupid women that keep crawling back to their abusive husbands over and over. You know I will just make you look like stupid children AGAIN, so why do you call me out?

Pubin · Post by **Pubin** » November 1, 2002, 11:00 pm

because it's only you that thinks you are making others look like stupid children?

Just an idea TT

Fash · Post by **Fash** » November 1, 2002, 11:03 pm

After reading all the other threads linked on this issue...

It's not about cheating or having an edge... the whole deal is about Information.

all the next gen mmog's have radar, maps, plenty of information at your ready. swg, eq2, ac2, etc.

Seq users primarily get radar. I could walk through western wastelands kos and visible.. just keeping my dot at a good range of all the other dots.. It's something everyone should have so you don't make stupid mistakes and die, kill your group, cause 4 hr cr's. Seq users get a 6th sense of information that should be available. You should know the hp of your group members... you should be able to gleam what level/class the mob you are in front of is.

I see Verant adding a zone radar window very soon, and seq fading away.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 2, 2002, 2:14 am

Pubin wrote:because it's only you that thinks you are making others look like stupid children?

Just an idea TT

Keep trying man, one day they may even let you in.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » November 2, 2002, 2:27 am

kyoukan type-R wrote:
Krimson Klaw wrote:Anyone else notice his attempt at psychology there, by mentioning in every other sentence how many millions of dollars this was going to cost SOE? Not subtle at all though. At least he paid attention in psyche 101.
That and publically stating a threat to reverse engineer verant's encryption code in order to cause them financial damages makes him liable for both civil and criminal punishment. Most reverse engineers can get away with hacking shit like online games because they use the excuse that they are just doing it to expose how lax their security is, or because of some sort of altruism.

This guy just stepped hisself into a whole pile of legal shit. A first year law student could ruin him in court with evidence like this, much less SOE's army o' lawyers.

If I worked at Verant I would be elated by reading this. They are going to destroy him.

This guy comes off as a whiner because his mini monopoly is slipping away, at least that was my first impression. And yea, legally, looks like he is screwed.

cid · Post by **cid** » November 2, 2002, 3:13 am

kyoukan type-R wrote:
Pubin wrote:because it's only you that thinks you are making others look like stupid children?

Just an idea TT
Keep trying man, one day they may even let you in.

Ludacrist!!

emmer · Post by **emmer** » November 2, 2002, 3:46 am

I was expecting more from ratty

Xanupox · Post by **Xanupox** » November 2, 2002, 1:22 pm

Hmm, how does this really compare?

This really is, as Ratt said, going to cause A LOT of issues for the playerbase and Verant. When SEQ and SINS were on the linux box that was a small but very effective barrier to the problem of <keeping it away from the moronic masses>...

I mean if you needed a 2nd PC, that was a level of a barrier.. and not only a 2nd PC but you had to have Linux installed on it.. yes yes, it isnt that hard, but it kept the "lazy man" from having access to it.

It also kept the Kewl Dude 15 yo people from having it also, how many parents were willing to buy a 2nd computer and install a UNIX OS? none most likely.

The world of SEQ was very unified in never porting to windows, because that would effectivly eliminatet those 2 before amentioned barriers.

Instead of having a base of SEQ users, that hopefully overall were responsible, mature and knew what and what NOT to do with the prog... you now have given access to EVERYONE in the world who owns a PC with Win9X or greater on it.

It would be similar to stripping the job requirements for... lets say a brain surgeon.. no longer do you need any kind of degree or training.. once you graduate highschool, you may offically enter the hospital and commence to slicing the cranium.

There has always been barriers in our society to keep the fucking idiots from doing the important jobs or having access to the delicate things in life.

This porting of the encrypt/decrypt to the Windows machine is not very bright.

I would anticipate several "cheat SEQ-like" variants to pop up over the next month or so, with a flat 10-15$ fee and lifetime updates.. simliar to these WIN version progs for other online games that encrypt/decryt ON the game machine itself.

http://www.angelfire.com/games4/daocunleashed/

http://www.tugsoft.com/

http://www.gameroom.com/1010101/links.htm

Misi · Post by **Misi** » November 2, 2002, 8:19 pm

Instead of having a base of SEQ users, that hopefully overall were responsible, mature and knew what and what NOT to do with the prog... you now have given access to EVERYONE in the world who owns a PC with Win9X or greater on it.

ROFLMAO...so now, not only will there be "mature" cheaters, there will be "immature" cheaters....

Xanupox · Post by **Xanupox** » November 3, 2002, 3:36 am

Yup, just like the dumbass above here ^^ will have access as well.

Kguku · Post by **Kguku** » November 3, 2002, 5:51 am

Xanu

People using SEQ already are morons.

Who the fuck needs to cheat in a game like EQ?

I'm guessing maybe, YOU!

Even if you didn't use SEQ you're still in the moron category already, just for all your other past stunts.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 3, 2002, 8:32 am

yeah xan liked to run show eq so he could keep updated on all the mobs his guild couldn't kill.

Xanupox · Post by **Xanupox** » November 3, 2002, 11:51 am

Well honestly speaking, I used SEQ for awhile on and off, it was fun at first just to see things I normally could not as a cleric. Tracking mobs that dropped cleric quest stuff, back when the bracers of revanant was the UPGRADE from Runed Mithral... if anyone remembers.

In the end it was a tool that if you did NOT have, then your guild suffered, because every other guild DID have and use it. I remember an intense arguement once in Sleepers over which mobs were going to be split between two guilds. Obviously the Prog had a Primal Warsword, and no one would give up that kill , lol obviously both parties had direct or indirect access to a SEQ type prog at the time.

You can sit back on your throne of ignorance and preach the sermon, it really does not matter if you use it or not... but if you deny accepting the fact that every major "raid guild" does not have access to it, then you are a blind fool.

Also it was really cool to have to see all the "a corpse of Kyoukan"'s laying throughout the various zones in the game, such as Black Burrow and East Commons.

It aided in CR's for people who were in trouble and in utter distraught. I would often use it to locate and drag thier "lost" corpse back to them, or use it as a tool to AVOID conflict... if you see someone was already on a camp or working toward a mob, you dont even bother forming up a raid for it.

Flame it all you want, but SEQ really re-defined how the top/end game works. Without SEQ how many times do you think the THO would have been killed? How many times "moss covered twigs" would have entered the world without it?

Being ignorant of how it works, and what it was REALLY used for are two different things... SEQ was nothing more than that of a function that should have been encoded into the EQ game from the start on a more limited basis... then SEQ would have prolly never came about.

Overhead Radar, Bossmob Status (live-dead), Your corpse location marked on a overhead map( you should know where you died, without having to type /loc within 2 seconds on death)... the hacker world provided what the game should have, they just went a little beyond what was really needed.

Post by **Xouqoa** » November 3, 2002, 1:23 pm

I can see SEQ as more of a tool unless maybe you're on a PvP server or something. The DAoC program that is out there (Unleashed) is much moreso of a cheat since you can see enemy players on the maps. Since the high end focus of DAoC is PvP, it kinda ruins any suprise attacks and such.

I guess it depends on how you define 'cheating' in EQ. It's not like you can turn on god mode or anything with it. You can't see loot on mobs since it's not generated until the mob dies. (Except in the case of weapons which are weilded, right?) I just don't see what the big deal is over it.

Kguku · Post by **Kguku** » November 3, 2002, 2:17 pm

The whole fucking point of EQ is to discover this shit, not have it handed out to you on a platter.

Where's the fun in knowing what something will drop? THERE ISN'T ANY!

My guild raids - we don't use SEQ. In my books it's a discovery unto itself to see what is up and what is happening, that's half the fun of the game.

This game is based on a D&D concept - did your DM tell you wtf mob was where and what it was going to drop in advance? If so - you sure played with a hurting ass DM.

If you needed a CR - get a necro, bard, or SK. Problem solved.

Want to know if someone was working towards a mob? Most people shouted camp check - or used their brain when they noticed a raid force in the zone.

Why would you encode into a game a function that takes away from the game play? If people want to ruin their experience with it, that's fine, but you're classified as a wanker in my books for having to use some gay ass packet sniffing tool. If you want to know if a boss mob was up - get a tracker.

All this shit is already in the game under one guise or another, use that instead of relying on some 3rd party tool which would take away from the experience.

Personally if people get banned for using it - good riddance.

Apostate · Post by **Apostate** » November 4, 2002, 7:49 pm

Xanupox wrote:In the end it was a tool that if you did NOT have, then your guild suffered, because every other guild DID have and use it. I remember an intense arguement once in Sleepers over which mobs were going to be split between two guilds. Obviously the Prog had a Primal Warsword, and no one would give up that kill , lol obviously both parties had direct or indirect access to a SEQ type prog at the time.

Actually our monk walked up to the prog invis, took a hit, and noticed it was slashing.

Xanupox · Post by **Xanupox** » November 5, 2002, 8:20 am

That may be the case as far as you knew, but Zaul had access to ShowEQ at that time as well.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » November 5, 2002, 8:45 am

CoE has never, ever used SEQ to my knowledge anwyay.
If I found someone was using it I would deguild them
If I found it was being used by the officers without my knowledge I'd deguild myself.

Whichever way you slice it cheating is fucking lame.

Jugata · Post by **Jugata** » November 5, 2002, 9:57 am

Hahahahahahahahahhahahaha.

Hahahahahahahhahahahahaha.

OMG!!! Hahahahahahahahaha.

Does God tell you mobs are up like Shei and NTOV?

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » November 5, 2002, 10:11 am

You talking to me asswipe?

In case you are, you can find out if any mob in the game is up by either:
a) Tracking
b) Sending a group/invisser/FDer to have a look
c) Tracking spawn times and the activites of other guilds
d) Just hitting a disc and running like hell to where the mob spawns - being a warrior I tend to do this one.

This is how we do it.

Just cos your guild is a clueless swarm of cheating fucks doesn't mean the rest of us are similarly limited.

Cotto · Post by **Cotto** » November 5, 2002, 10:42 am

I will fully admit to being a cheater,

I use GOD mode and infiniteammo on most of my games.
But why cheat at EQ? To me, it kinda misses the whole fucking point of the game. In fact, a lot of fucking people miss the fucking point of the game. I was damn sure that being uber was a far second to actually not being a dick in a roleplaying (or for those of you who will jump upon that word cause im so gay omg!!!!111 Online multiplayer) game.

I mean, ur supposed to interact with people, make friends, have fun, enjoy helping someone get something and in return have help yourself. There is no fucking cheap to make friends.

Aaah fuck this, im in work and im going into a non-coherant rant. Basically, dont be a fuck, dont use SEQ, its a fucking community, not Unreal tournament.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » November 5, 2002, 10:51 am

Hey Tanc, you can suck my motherfucking cock.

I am not a cheating fuck, so enjoy the load I am about to blow on you bitch.

Jugata · Post by **Jugata** » November 5, 2002, 10:53 am

There is no fucking way you could have raced and gotten the amount of spawns you did with that method. The only people I believe dont use this is Estrella. They have gimp rangers/druids everywhere. I have watched your skilled guild go from zone to zone to zone raiding constantly with no such "scouting". You aren't the only one watching people.

Swarm? Is that the upgrade from zerg cuz I think you guys win that title.

Does clueless fuck mean someone who figures out their own strats in your mind?

You sir are so full of shit your teeth are turning brown.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » November 5, 2002, 11:25 am

Dear CT fuckholes,
While we are finishing up one mob, guess what? Our trackers are out scouting other mobs. It's what you do when you plan ahead to maximise the use of your time. Or maybe they've been up a while cos FoH/Valhall haven't taken them down and nobody else can.
Pretty fuckin simple huh?

Swarm collective noun commonly used to refer to groups (ie more than one) of insects. I apologise to swarms everywhere for comparing them to CT.

Clueless fucks. That's you pair of cunting spastards. Having to point this out kinda makes it obvious though.

I stand by my statements above. If you can prove, in fact fuck proof, if you can present to me _any information whatsoever_ that indicates CoE using SEQ, other than the ill-formed spew of your own bitter little mind filling in the obviously large gaps in your understanding I will either guildremove the users or myself accordingly. Then I'll come here and post it up, like your fomer guildleader's confessions of cheating.

So prod that hamster on it's squeeky wheel and see if you can get your mental wattage up to a point where you can make a reply worth the time it takes to read.

Xaem · Post by **Xaem** » November 5, 2002, 11:32 am

Who is Tanc?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » November 5, 2002, 11:38 am

All I do is Pray and God tells me what is up

VeeshanVault

ShowEQ programmer "Ratt" goes off on Verant

ShowEQ programmer "Ratt" goes off on Verant

Hmm

Yup

Actually

Re: Actually

that may have been