Gratz Bush on fucking the environment again.

[Kylere]

No we lost the auto industry because the UAW should have stood for Us Ain't Working, because all the members of it called it U Ain't Working anyways. I really have a fun time hearing them whine about losing all their jobs that they were highly skilled at to overseas and other North American locations because they are the same ones that used to brag how they never did anything but clock in and leave and one guy or 2 would do the UAW mandated jobs of 50.

The UAW blew that, but it is entirely irrelevant. What you want is for the US to intentionally force production overseas, while that sounds great if you do not live in the US, it is not acceptable inside the US. If the world wants to draft a fair and equitable approach to addressing pollution I am all for it, but it has yet to happen.

Besides which petroleum as a cheap fuel source has less than 40 years left, then we get to burn really nasty coal, lets address the real problems instead of throwing bandaids that cure nothing at them.

[Tenuvil]

Hello, McFly

You play a damn convincing Biff Tannen.

[Zaelath]

No we lost the auto industry because the UAW should have stood for Us Ain't Working, because all the members of it called it U Ain't Working anyways. I really have a fun time hearing them whine about losing all their jobs that they were highly skilled at to overseas and other North American locations because they are the same ones that used to brag how they never did anything but clock in and leave and one guy or 2 would do the UAW mandated jobs of 50.

The UAW blew that, but it is entirely irrelevant. What you want is for the US to intentionally force production overseas, while that sounds great if you do not live in the US, it is not acceptable inside the US. If the world wants to draft a fair and equitable approach to addressing pollution I am all for it, but it has yet to happen.

Besides which petroleum as a cheap fuel source has less than 40 years left, then we get to burn really nasty coal, lets address the real problems instead of throwing bandaids that cure nothing at them.

Well.. at least we converge when we argue. I agree with you that the resolutions and agreements should be carefully drafted, monitored and legislated such that the industry/pollution isn't just moved off-shore.

I'm still a little bemused by what you would consider a "fair" solution when (say) China's emissions on a per capita basis are so much lower than the US/Australia (Australia's emissions per capita are shameful..) I agree we can't just let them increase to our levels and then say "whoa", that would be foolhardy, but I don't necessarily see their current levels as an excuse not to lower ours =/

My cynical nature (Hi, Rek!) says whatever we do attempt will be too little, too late given the kind of evidence we're seeing just lately about the polar ice caps, but at least something like Kyoto would be an acknoledgement of the problem and what we will have to accept as the new world order if we want to be around more than another few centuries.

But yes.. I don't want the US to sign off on anything like Kyoto w/o giving thought to how to make sure the effort has real benefit.