A Petition for California's Secession from the Federal Gover

Lisandre · Post by **Lisandre** » November 5, 2004, 1:19 am

I saw this link on Wonkette today. It'll never happen, but it's nice to think about just to let off steam.

Hehe.

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » November 5, 2004, 4:33 am

North and south should be separate states imo.

Rivera Bladestrike · Post by **Rivera Bladestrike** » November 5, 2004, 7:18 am

Its more lart east coast and weast coast separates from Jesusland.

Mak · Post by **Mak** » November 5, 2004, 8:01 am

When California was devasted by an energy crisis artificially created by hostile forces in other states, the federal government did nothing to protect her and actively held California's hands by her side so she could not defend herself from her attackers.

I don't know about the rest of the petition, but I'm pretty sure this is bullshit. CA's energy trouble had to do with extremely poor foresight of it's state government AND the people of CA that continuously rejected referendum's (over several decades) on increased energy bills in order to maintain existing sources/equipment as well as preparing for higher and higher demand.

As far as holding her hands to her sides, that was to protect other states from being forced to sell their excess supply at below market value and thereby hurting everyone else. I shouldn't have to pay higher energy bills because CA doesn't know how to manage itself.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » November 5, 2004, 8:26 am

It's only a matter of time before unions like Canada an the US break apart. There's already rumblings in 2 provinces up here and I'm sure that there is more than 1 state down there with is miscontent with the way some things are run.

Will this happen in our lifetime? Probably not. Our grandchildren and great grandchildren may live to see it though.

Ogbar · Post by **Ogbar** » November 5, 2004, 10:18 am

Animalor wrote:It's only a matter of time before unions like Canada an the US break apart. There's already rumblings in 2 provinces up here and I'm sure that there is more than 1 state down there with is miscontent with the way some things are run.

Will this happen in our lifetime? Probably not. Our grandchildren and great grandchildren may live to see it though.

Which two provinces? I am sort of out of the loop now on what's happening to the north. Is it safe to assume Quebec is still in that mix?

I remember watching one Quebec vote results live (perhaps 10 years ago). It was amazing how close they came to vote to seperate themselves from Canada (hovered just over 50% all night).

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » November 5, 2004, 11:05 am

Ogbar wrote:
Animalor wrote:It's only a matter of time before unions like Canada an the US break apart. There's already rumblings in 2 provinces up here and I'm sure that there is more than 1 state down there with is miscontent with the way some things are run.

Will this happen in our lifetime? Probably not. Our grandchildren and great grandchildren may live to see it though.
Which two provinces? I am sort of out of the loop now on what's happening to the north. Is it safe to assume Quebec is still in that mix?

I remember watching one Quebec vote results live (perhaps 10 years ago). It was amazing how close they came to vote to seperate themselves from Canada (hovered just over 50% all night).

Alberta is pissed off at the federal and there is a movement there to seperate. Although nowhere near as large and well-publicised as the Quebec one, it is present.

*linky to proof* http://www.separationalberta.com/

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » November 5, 2004, 11:07 am

If I had to hazard a guess, Quebec and BC. Quebec for sure, the seperatists there live with some serious fucking blinders on. BC, just a guess, I really don't know of a 2nd province with "rumblings" to leave Canada, but I know there's a big west vs. Ontario/east coast sentiment out there.

Deward · Post by **Deward** » November 5, 2004, 11:23 am

California's energy crisis was caused by greedy energy companies after the state of California chose not to regulate the industry any longer. The energy companies will claim to be going broke but in actuality they are gouging the public in order to pay out bonuses to their employees. At the height of the energy crisis, one of the electric companies paid several hundred million dollars in bonuses to its employees. I worked for an electric company here in Wisconsin. It is still regulated here. During the late 90s boom when everyone had cash flowing out of their ass, instead of lowering rates, the company gave out huge bonuses to everyone. I got an 11% of salary bonus one year. They did it so that they would not have to lower rates and needed to spend the money somehow.

As for seceding, it will never happen. The states don't have the individual influence that they once did.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · November 5, 2004, 11:39 am

It won't happen because it's a small group of over-rectionary retards. Similar to many of the trolls on this board. This shit isn't even worthy of discussion.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » November 5, 2004, 11:46 am

Rivera Bladestrike · November 5, 2004, 11:48 am

Dregor Thule wrote:If I had to hazard a guess, Quebec and BC. Quebec for sure, the seperatists there live with some serious fucking blinders on. BC, just a guess, I really don't know of a 2nd province with "rumblings" to leave Canada, but I know there's a big west vs. Ontario/east coast sentiment out there.

The west coast east coast rap war finally hits canada by storm!

Tenuvil · Post by **Tenuvil** » November 5, 2004, 11:49 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:It won't happen because it's a small group of over-rectionary retards. Similar to many of the trolls on this board. This shit isn't even worthy of discussion.

Thank you for the insightful and thought provoking commentary. Worthy of your much vaunted 14.3 IQ!

oh wait, did you leave out the decimal point when you posted yours? OOPSY

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » November 5, 2004, 11:53 am

Llaffer · Post by **Llaffer** » November 5, 2004, 12:21 pm

Miniwillinios --- now that's funny.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » November 5, 2004, 12:24 pm

Forthe wrote:

cmon man, i beg you...please include the common wealths of orange and dade counties!

masteen · Post by **masteen** » November 5, 2004, 1:00 pm

I hope that Quebec does secede from Canada, because then we can liberate them good. YEE HAW!

Fat · Post by **Fat** » November 5, 2004, 1:46 pm

Je parle joual. ONWARD LIBERATION!

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 5, 2004, 1:49 pm

thank god i wont need a passport to go to Maui

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » November 5, 2004, 1:54 pm

Newfoundland officially decided to seperate from Canada about 90 years ago. Nobody's noticed yet. It's kind of pissing us off.

Ogbar · Post by **Ogbar** » November 5, 2004, 2:42 pm

Thanks, Animalor. Very interesting link.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » November 5, 2004, 3:13 pm

Not that it would ever happen, but if California left the Union it would break the back of the USA, as goes California's economy, so goes the US economy, so goes the world economy

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 5, 2004, 4:03 pm

Pherr the Dorf wrote:Not that it would ever happen, but if California left the Union it would break the back of the USA, as goes California's economy, so goes the US economy, so goes the world economy

Arnold is in charge of the most important state in the world! Ronald Reagan hailed from Cali.

California does have it's good points : )

masteen · Post by **masteen** » November 5, 2004, 4:11 pm

The Governator will smash all who oppose them by traveling back in time to impregnate their mothers with his superior Austrian seed.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » November 5, 2004, 4:11 pm

Winnow wrote:
Pherr the Dorf wrote:Not that it would ever happen, but if California left the Union it would break the back of the USA, as goes California's economy, so goes the US economy, so goes the world economy
Arnold is in charge of the most important state in the world! Ronald Reagan hailed from Cali.

California does have it's good points : )

That and the 7th largest economy in the world

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 5, 2004, 4:23 pm

Pherr the Dorf wrote:
Winnow wrote:
Pherr the Dorf wrote:Not that it would ever happen, but if California left the Union it would break the back of the USA, as goes California's economy, so goes the US economy, so goes the world economy
Arnold is in charge of the most important state in the world! Ronald Reagan hailed from Cali.

California does have it's good points : )
That and the 7th largest economy in the world

The land mass of California would comprise of about 20 states on the east coast : )

The east coast states need to combine into one New Zergia state like the Euros did to battle California.

archeiron · Post by **archeiron** » November 5, 2004, 5:31 pm

On the subject, I believe that California produces more rice than China.

The conclusion of the Civil War is that the states of the union do not have the right to leave.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » November 5, 2004, 5:32 pm

Any state that tries to bust the union will be liberated harder than anyone has ever been liberated before!

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » November 5, 2004, 9:42 pm

Deward wrote:California's energy crisis was caused by greedy energy companies after the state of California chose not to regulate the industry any longer. The energy companies will claim to be going broke but in actuality they are gouging the public in order to pay out bonuses to their employees. At the height of the energy crisis, one of the electric companies paid several hundred million dollars in bonuses to its employees. I worked for an electric company here in Wisconsin. It is still regulated here. During the late 90s boom when everyone had cash flowing out of their ass, instead of lowering rates, the company gave out huge bonuses to everyone. I got an 11% of salary bonus one year. They did it so that they would not have to lower rates and needed to spend the money somehow.

The california energy crisis had several reasons behind it, the largest though was the poor regulatory structure. Yes, I know they said that it was deregulated, but there were still regulations in place, and they were a problem. The biggest problem were the electricity companies bought power on a daily spot market but the price that they sold to consumers at was capped. So there was no feedback to the end consumer when prices spiked to adjust usage rates. The electricity companies could also not enter into any longer term contracts to even out their risk exposure, they had to buy day to day on the spot market. Also regulatory requirements and a fair amount of nimbyism had held up production of new power plants for a while, leaving the generation capacity tight. Add in some high natural gas prices and yes, some companies gaming the silly setup and you got the crisis.

For a detailed explanation of what all went all try this http://www.steveverdon.com/archives/joskow1.pdf
(note, its a pdf file).

Xanastik Fox · Post by **Xanastik Fox** » November 6, 2004, 2:49 am

Petition Signature #15 - Allah wrote:You Godless freaks are more than welcome to go. It shall make crushing you and the great devil, the USA, all the easier. All praise to Allah as we kill the degenerate homosexuals.