Stop whining already!

Mak · Post by **Mak** » November 3, 2004, 10:05 am

It's not even official yet and people are wanting to stab themselves in the head, hoping for a pre-emptive nuclear strike on the US, predicting tides of blood, etc.

Fuck- could you people be acting more like little drama queens? I've seen 12 year old girls with more sense of self-restraint.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · November 3, 2004, 10:21 am

Mak wrote:It's not even official yet and people are wanting to stab themselves in the head, hoping for a pre-emptive nuclear strike on the US, predicting tides of blood, etc.

Fuck- could you people be acting more like little drama queens? I've seen 12 year old girls with more sense of self-restraint.

It's their core philosophy. They act like a victim and play the role of a victim like no one else. It's in their representatives governing, lawmaking, and media propaganda. They were victims in 2000, they were victims during the whole election campaign and they are setting it up on TV now to play the victim again.

I really hope Kerry takes the classy way out, and concedes this morning.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » November 3, 2004, 10:24 am

Too early to ask for a concession from either side, Mid.
Whomever wins Ohio wins the election. Everything else WILL NOT matter.

There's no sense in calling a victor or giving up until after the OH tabulation. Both canidates are past the 250 mark. Once OH goes, there will be a winner.

couldn't agree with Mak more though

archeiron · Post by **archeiron** » November 3, 2004, 10:35 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Mak wrote:It's not even official yet and people are wanting to stab themselves in the head, hoping for a pre-emptive nuclear strike on the US, predicting tides of blood, etc.

Fuck- could you people be acting more like little drama queens? I've seen 12 year old girls with more sense of self-restraint.
It's their core philosophy. They act like a victim and play the role of a victim like no one else. It's in their representatives governing, lawmaking, and media propaganda. They were victims in 2000, they were victims during the whole election campaign and they are setting it up on TV now to play the victim again.

I really hope Kerry takes the classy way out, and concedes this morning.

I believe that Bush is going to win Ohio. Having said that, don't you think that we should verify that Bush really does win Ohio by doing all the stupid counting crap?

Bush didn't "take the classy way out" and concede Florida, and look how that turned out for him.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · November 3, 2004, 10:47 am

archeiron wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Mak wrote:It's not even official yet and people are wanting to stab themselves in the head, hoping for a pre-emptive nuclear strike on the US, predicting tides of blood, etc.

Fuck- could you people be acting more like little drama queens? I've seen 12 year old girls with more sense of self-restraint.
It's their core philosophy. They act like a victim and play the role of a victim like no one else. It's in their representatives governing, lawmaking, and media propaganda. They were victims in 2000, they were victims during the whole election campaign and they are setting it up on TV now to play the victim again.

I really hope Kerry takes the classy way out, and concedes this morning.
I believe that Bush is going to win Ohio. Having said that, don't you think that we should verify that Bush really does win Ohio by doing all the stupid counting crap?

Bush didn't "take the classy way out" and concede Florida, and look how that turned out for him.

527 votees in Florida in 200, versus 135,000+ votes in Ohio with only 135,000 provisional ballots. Kerry has lost. He knows it. The question is, will he choose to concede and begin healing the huge division the Dems has caused over the last four years, or drag this out and continue to try and defame Bush and try and use this as a running point in 2008?

Mr Bacon · Post by **Mr Bacon** » November 3, 2004, 10:49 am

Suck it Trebek.

Kluden · Post by **Kluden** » November 3, 2004, 11:03 am

It's obvious that both parties need to reasses their core ideology again during the next four years, because yet again, they have proven how well they can make us all hate each other, differ on everything, and refuse to come together for anything but an attack on our own soil.

Fat · Post by **Fat** » November 3, 2004, 11:10 am

I voted absentee in Ohio so knock down one more for Kerry

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-Alfan

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » November 3, 2004, 11:16 am

The only division that has been caused inthe last 4 years rests squarely on Bush's gross mis-management of everything from intelligence, the economy and foreign policy.

The only thing Bush managed to do right in the last 4 years is look semi-good on TV in the few weeks post-9/11 and creating priceless fodder for late night comedians.

That being said, there's already starting to be some reports of complaints from voters about irregularities in Florida(surprise surprise) and all this drama in Ohio.

I agree with Mydnite on what he said with the provisional ballots though. The tendancy on these will most likely follow popular vote patterns and give Bush that much more of a lead.

I think Kerry's abdication should come within 24 hours of the Ohio provisional ballot results being announced to still appear classy without having the party show weakness.

I myself am deeply dissapointed with the results. I'm also afraid what 4 more years of Bush will do to trade and diplocatic relations between the US and Canada.

If things erode more, I think Canada should try to secure stronger ties with the european union and the orient and try not to rely as much on it's common border neighbor.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » November 3, 2004, 12:28 pm

Kluden wrote:It's obvious that both parties need to reasses their core ideology again during the next four years, because yet again, they have proven how well they can make us all hate each other, differ on everything, and refuse to come together for anything but an attack on our own soil.

The political parties haven't "made me" hate anyone. I think most folks are able to clearly separate the political song and dance routine from their personal emotions.

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » November 3, 2004, 12:37 pm

I myself am deeply dissapointed with the results. I'm also afraid what 4 more years of Bush will do to trade and diplocatic relations between the US and Canada.

If things erode more, I think Canada should try to secure stronger ties with the european union and the orient and try not to rely as much on it's common border neighbor.

On one hand I agree with you (diversifaction is a good thing, thus improving relations with Europe) but on the other Bush may be better for Canada than Kerry *if* Paul Martin can convince Bush that he's not the fucked french antagonist that Chretien was. Maybe it was campaign-trail rhetoric but Kerry struck me as almost a Canadian-NDP-style protectionist, which is not the best thing for international trade, and like it or not, trade with the US is what makes Canada's economy go...

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » November 3, 2004, 12:46 pm

How did this happen?! The Redskins lost!!!

But seriously, maybe now you all can admit what a terrible candidate Kerry was. How you all could nominate an ultra liberal flip flopping dove from Massachusets who protested the Vietnam War, lied about war crimes, has absolutely no charisma, etc. etc. at a time like this is beyond me. And to make matters worse, he chose for his running mate a one term pretty boy lawyer whose only accomplishment was barely winning a primary in his home state. Many people in America wanted a choice other than Bush, and the democrats could have easily won if they had just provided a SERIOUS alternative. Oh yeah, and having Michael Moore, Barbara Streisand, some has-been rockers, and a bunch of airhead rap artists come out swinging for Kerry while attacking Bush in hysterical terms probably didn't sit well either with the average American voter.

Mr Bacon · Post by **Mr Bacon** » November 3, 2004, 12:50 pm

I just want to know from those of you who voted Bush:

- When he makes his big fuckup of the year in 2005, will you be glad you voted for him?

- When every country turns against us, will you be glad you voted for him?

- When your son/brother/neighbor/relative dies in Iraq, will you be glad you voted for him?

- When Osama deems it necessary for another attack, will you be glad you voted for him? (It's probably already been planned)

- When he determines it necessary to invade yet ANOTHER country (for Dad), will you be glad you voted for him?

- When our forces are stretched so thin accross so many countries, when men are unable to defend themselves because Bush didn't even send them with basic $50 armor to shield against bullets, will you be glad you voted for him?

and finally:

- When another cold war situation occurs, nukes about to fly, will you be glad you voted for him?

Take a minute to consider these questions, analyze the situation, and make a decent judgement for once.

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » November 3, 2004, 12:53 pm

When Osama deems it necessary for another attack?! ROFL HAHAHAHAAHAHA

Neost · Post by **Neost** » November 3, 2004, 12:55 pm

The arrogance in the above post is just sickening. WTF makes you think you know what's going to happen or that your opinion/world view is any more valid than anyone else's? Just because you think you are right doesn't mean you are.

I've pretty much stayed out of the political fight between liberal and conservatives here but dayum....give it up.

Your side lost. Accept it.

Might I offer you the use of a sword so that you may fall upon it in mightily dramatic fashion?

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » November 3, 2004, 12:56 pm

Bush is a horrible president, Kerry was a terrible alternative and I have to laugh that so many people think the world is going to end. We have had a bad president many times and we survived and we should survive this one.

In 2008 we will probably have 2 more shitty choices, and we will survive. Is Bush bad, yes but he is not the antichrist.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » November 3, 2004, 12:56 pm

When he makes his big fuckup of the year in 2005, will you be glad you voted for him?

Your crystal ball powers are very l33t, Rellix. What fuckup is he going to cause that you know about? If Kerry won and fucked up, would YOU still be glad you voted for him?

When every country turns against us, will you be glad you voted for him?

The American Empire. I like it, you don't.

When your son/brother/neighbor/relative dies in Iraq, will you be glad you voted for him?

Death comes for us. It is inevitable. It is unchangeable. When I die, it's not going to matter wether I'm in Iraq or at the local 7-11. I'm going to die and there's nothing anyone is going to be able to do to stop it.

When he determines it necessary to invade yet ANOTHER country (for Dad), will you be glad you voted for him?

Yeap. Want a list of countires I'd like to see him hit?

When our forces are stretched so thin accross so many countries, when men are unable to defend themselves because Bush didn't even send them with basic $50 armor to shield against bullets, will you be glad you voted for him?

I'll be less happy with the people that voted against them recieving funding, REGARDLESS of the pork attached.

When another cold war situation occurs, nukes about to fly, will you be glad you voted for him?

I've often considered the fact that we're going to face armagedeon within the next 50 years(ish), be it Biblical or man made. The fact that we've lasted this long without blowing ourselves up is a good sign, at least..

edit, missed this one

When Osama launches another attack...

Nope. But, if you think that we're going to be immune from terrorist attacks from here out, you're sadly mistaken.. regardless of WHO is running the show..

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » November 3, 2004, 12:56 pm

Wulfran wrote:
I myself am deeply dissapointed with the results. I'm also afraid what 4 more years of Bush will do to trade and diplocatic relations between the US and Canada.

If things erode more, I think Canada should try to secure stronger ties with the european union and the orient and try not to rely as much on it's common border neighbor.
On one hand I agree with you (diversifaction is a good thing, thus improving relations with Europe) but on the other Bush may be better for Canada than Kerry *if* Paul Martin can convince Bush that he's not the fucked french antagonist that Chretien was. Maybe it was campaign-trail rhetoric but Kerry struck me as almost a Canadian-NDP-style protectionist, which is not the best thing for international trade, and like it or not, trade with the US is what makes Canada's economy go...

I agreed with Chretien's decision not to join the coalition of the willing and staying the course with Afghanistan, as Kerry said, that was the right war and Bush should've stayed the course there instead of shifting his focus.

Also, I voted NDP last election cause I liked their platform better than the liberals and I will never EVER vote for anything related to the Canadian Alliance.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » November 3, 2004, 12:59 pm

Tyek wrote:Is Bush bad, yes but he is not the antichrist.

Do you have proof on that? I need a link from a credible news source before I trust that statement.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » November 3, 2004, 1:00 pm

It was on Fox News so I cannot be sure of my source reliability. Just call it a feeling.

Mr Bacon · Post by **Mr Bacon** » November 3, 2004, 1:02 pm

Neost wrote: Just because you think you are right doesn't mean you are.

Just because enough uninformed rednecks voted in the middle of the country doesn't mean you're right either.

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » November 3, 2004, 1:08 pm

Yep 51 percent of our country is made up of uninformed rednecks.

Tenuvil · Post by **Tenuvil** » November 3, 2004, 1:11 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:
Kluden wrote:It's obvious that both parties need to reasses their core ideology again during the next four years, because yet again, they have proven how well they can make us all hate each other, differ on everything, and refuse to come together for anything but an attack on our own soil.
The political parties haven't "made me" hate anyone. I think most folks are able to clearly separate the political song and dance routine from their personal emotions.

Agree completely. There's no reason to hate someone with a different political opinion.

Mr Bacon · Post by **Mr Bacon** » November 3, 2004, 1:12 pm

Akaran_D wrote:
When he makes his big fuckup of the year in 2005, will you be glad you voted for him?
Your crystal ball powers are very l33t, Rellix. What fuckup is he going to cause that you know about? If Kerry won and fucked up, would YOU still be glad you voted for him?

When every country turns against us, will you be glad you voted for him?
The American Empire. I like it, you don't.

When your son/brother/neighbor/relative dies in Iraq, will you be glad you voted for him?
Death comes for us. It is inevitable. It is unchangeable. When I die, it's not going to matter wether I'm in Iraq or at the local 7-11. I'm going to die and there's nothing anyone is going to be able to do to stop it.

When he determines it necessary to invade yet ANOTHER country (for Dad), will you be glad you voted for him?
Yeap. Want a list of countires I'd like to see him hit?

When our forces are stretched so thin accross so many countries, when men are unable to defend themselves because Bush didn't even send them with basic $50 armor to shield against bullets, will you be glad you voted for him?
I'll be less happy with the people that voted against them recieving funding, REGARDLESS of the pork attached.

When another cold war situation occurs, nukes about to fly, will you be glad you voted for him?
I've often considered the fact that we're going to face armagedeon within the next 50 years(ish), be it Biblical or man made. The fact that we've lasted this long without blowing ourselves up is a good sign, at least..

edit, missed this one
When Osama launches another attack...
Nope. But, if you think that we're going to be immune from terrorist attacks from here out, you're sadly mistaken.. regardless of WHO is running the show..

- Look at Bush's record Akaran - he has screwed up so many times in the last 3.5 years it's not even funny. Men have died for him. Kerry on the other hand has a clean record, a chance for change. Even if Kerry were to fuck up his entire presidential career, chances are there'd be a lot less fuckups than Bush.

- We aren't the only country in the world.

- Don't give me that "we're all going to die eventually" bullshit. A 19 year old dying overseas is not inevitable, and if you ask him, I'm sure he'd prefer dying of old age instead of a bullet in the face.

- Yeah sure, list more countries to hit for more men to die in.

- Armageddon.. right..right... we're a lot more likely to be destroyed from nukes than a large asteroid.

- Osama in his most recent video said regardless of who wins, another attack will happen, but he also said that if we don't change our international policies, it will happen again. Kerry will change policies after Iraq.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » November 3, 2004, 1:13 pm

Geez people stop whinning, now at least you have 4 more years to bitch about the president. If Kerry won and sucked it would have been harder to bitch.

Neost · Post by **Neost** » November 3, 2004, 1:13 pm

I never said I was right. I question what in the hell makes you think your opinion is the end all-be all and that America is fucked.

As a matter of fact, I haven't said one way or the other on this board who I voted for or supported.

I've mention that I consider myself to be middle of the road, I don't have a political affiliation, and I certainly don't vote party lines.

I believe anyone that blindly votes a party line is an uninformed redneck, regardless of which party you support.

So quit your fucking whining and accept the fact that there are 4 more years of Bush and the Republican agenda.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » November 3, 2004, 1:14 pm

There is no bullshit on the 'we're all going to die' line.
When our time comes, that's it. Period. We're given choices in life, but those choices all end up at the same destination for us - no one lives forever. If you are goign to die at the age of 19, you are going to die at the age of 19.

You can live safely, and do things that may make you Happier, but the end result is still going to be the same. WHen your time comes, you die. Period.

Rivera Bladestrike · Post by **Rivera Bladestrike** » November 3, 2004, 1:15 pm

It seems that theres the average american, and then theres 50% of people who are stupider than that. In 2000 there was like 48% of stupid people... it seems in four years the effect of the dumbest president and his corrupt administration has raised the bar for stupid people up to 51% this year.

Mr Bacon · Post by **Mr Bacon** » November 3, 2004, 1:18 pm

Akaran_D wrote:There is no bullshit on the 'we're all going to die' line.
When our time comes, that's it. Period. We're given choices in life, but those choices all end up at the same destination for us - no one lives forever. If you are goign to die at the age of 19, you are going to die at the age of 19.

You can live safely, and do things that may make you Happier, but the end result is still going to be the same. WHen your time comes, you die. Period.

This argument is fate vs. choice, which isn't political.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » November 3, 2004, 1:21 pm

Fate and choice are not mutually exclusive.

We have choices to make in life, but, the choices we've made previously and the effects of choices that others have made influence us to the point that our paths for the rest of the choices in our lives will go down a certain path.

We still have the option to not do item a, but it's a given we will do item b, based on our experiences.

And, really, the sub-arguemnt was weather "we're all going to die eventually" is bullshit or not.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » November 3, 2004, 1:30 pm

I am pretty happy with the California vote today.

They were smart enough to see Proposition 72 was a cheap way for insurance companies to hide the cause of rising health cost and pass this "tax" along to companies. It failed. Now maybe we can address why insurance and medical companies need to make 2700% markups on soomething like Claritan D.

They were smart enough to vote for stem cell research. We are going to spend 3 Billion state dollars to start researching the process. Expect other states to see this ballot initiative.

We were not supid enough to give a 99 year agreement to Indian Casinos to expand without deterents. I am all for Indian rights and the ability to grow their business but a 100 year agreement????

If you think voting for Kerry signifies ones intelligence then I would have to question yours. People have different ideologies. People are at different points in their lives. It is impossible to cater to everyone. I am very moderate. I am more liberal in my social ideas and more conservative in my business ones. Tell me which candidate fits my profile?? Neither did so I have to make a personal choice. Did I vote Kerry or Bush, that is my personal issue and honestly I am not happy with either choice, but I voted and that was my job.

On another note. I like the idea they mentioned on CNN last night about making it a National Holiday. We had 2 hour lines and I waited, but it really messed up the work day. Hopefully more people would vote if they had the time. I guess anyone who voted yesterday has the right to argue about their cause, but if you did not vote and are still bitching then STFU.

Rivera Bladestrike · Post by **Rivera Bladestrike** » November 3, 2004, 1:32 pm

The worst this country could get was a republican congress and a republican president, things we can expect:

- Big business to make more profits and paying less to its employees, basically more bucks into the pockets of your corporate masters.
- 4 more years of one of the most corrupt corporations (or is that administration?) ever
- Hrm, how about us throw another war on our hands
- 7 trillion dollars in debt due to more unnecessary tax cuts (you didn't get much of anything in the first ones, i know i didn't)
- Say goodbye to your forests, as Bush's forest fire plans are just disguised ploys to get lumber companies access to some of the oldest forests in the country.
- Say hello to lower emission standards for cars and trucks, ruining our air in favor of big business'
- More terrorist attacks here and abroad due to absolute refusal of changing foreign policy and just basically "stinkin' it to the muslims"
- Futher alienation from the rest of the world
- 4-6 more years in Iraq
- Osama bin Laden alive and well
- The regime in Iraq will be corrupt and eventually cause a similar fate to the US instated Shah of Iran.
- Further infractions to our freedom of speech in the form of the Patriot Act and other faith based changes to the constitution.
- 3-4 new judges appointed for life in the Supreme Court who will make new decisions taking away abortion for the right wing pro-life enthuisiasts.
-Health care to rise as Bush favors insurance companies by keeping competing Canadian medicine out of the country
- More no-bid contracts giving out billions of our tax dollars to companies like Halliburton

I'm so dissapointed in this nation, especially since this list could be much much longer, but I'll save you the whine, because that what you'll say. Thanks America for giving us four more years of the most spendthrift, religious based, corrupt, and big business oriented administration in history.

Mr Bacon · Post by **Mr Bacon** » November 3, 2004, 1:34 pm

I just wanted to say congratulations to W. and his followers on a job well done.

On another note, Rivera summed it up well.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » November 3, 2004, 1:51 pm

I'm so disappointed in this nation, especially since this list could be much much longer, but I'll save you the whine, because that what you'll say. Thanks America for giving us four more years of the most spendthrift, religious based, corrupt, and big business oriented administration in history

I will agree with you on the Forest issue. They were saying with more Republican congressmen that they would push for opening the Alaskan Wilderness Refuge to Oil and Lumber companies.

As for the blame, maybe Democrats should be looking at their own party. If you look at the posts about how bad Bush was. If you take the evidence that you point to showing how bad he was. Yet you could not find a candidate that was good enough to off an inept President, doesn't that say more about the party then the country?

Neost · Post by **Neost** » November 3, 2004, 1:53 pm

Hillary in '08!

/shudder

Rivera Bladestrike · Post by **Rivera Bladestrike** » November 3, 2004, 1:55 pm

Most of the people I know that voted Bush was because they didn't want to put a new president in the middle of a war. But I'm not as worried about the war as I am about the domestic issues, the ones that effect us the most, which Bush clearly fails miserably on.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » November 3, 2004, 1:58 pm

You guys think that Hilary could keep all the states that Kerry won yesterday?

I don't see her taking away other states from the GOP untell they have a truly shitty, Dole-type candidate.

Mr Bacon · Post by **Mr Bacon** » November 3, 2004, 2:00 pm

Hillary can't win, it's not 2080 yet. I could almost see a gay male president being elected before a female president. (Sorry ladies)

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » November 3, 2004, 2:02 pm

You know what? I AM RIGHT! You can live in your little lala land all you want, but mark my words...

It may not be today, tomorrow or even a year from now but one day Amercia, especially those who re-elected Bush, will cryin in sorrow the damage they have henceforth done to this country and the world. Was Kerry the perfect choice? Hell no, I said that from the beginning but anything would have been better that giving Bush 4 more years, especially the way it has happend. He now believes he has been ordaned to do whatever he wants to do and in many cases may have the ability to push those things through our congress.

It is truly as sad day for America, for Democracy and the World

Marb

Post by **Sylvus** » November 3, 2004, 2:04 pm

Brotha wrote:How did this happen?! The Redskins lost!!!

But seriously, maybe now you all can admit what a terrible candidate Kerry was. How you all could nominate an ultra liberal flip flopping dove from Massachusets who protested the Vietnam War, lied about war crimes, has absolutely no charisma, etc. etc. at a time like this is beyond me. And to make matters worse, he chose for his running mate a one term pretty boy lawyer whose only accomplishment was barely winning a primary in his home state. Many people in America wanted a choice other than Bush, and the democrats could have easily won if they had just provided a SERIOUS alternative. Oh yeah, and having Michael Moore, Barbara Streisand, some has-been rockers, and a bunch of airhead rap artists come out swinging for Kerry while attacking Bush in hysterical terms probably didn't sit well either with the average American voter.

What, the fuck, are you talking about? Terrible candidate? HE IS GOING TO WIN OR LOSE THIS ELECTION BY SOMEWHERE ON THE ORDER OF 100,000 VOTES IN OHIO. If people in America weren't dumb enough to think that Iraq was actually a thread to our safety, or that Kerry would somehow make us less safe than Bush has made us, John Kerry would be President today.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » November 3, 2004, 2:05 pm

Tyek wrote: As for the blame, maybe Democrats should be looking at their own party. If you look at the posts about how bad Bush was. If you take the evidence that you point to showing how bad he was. Yet you could not find a candidate that was good enough to off an inept President, doesn't that say more about the party then the country?

Actually, I really think Kerry would have made a great president. I would contend saying he "wasn't good enough" with "didn't evoke enough enthusiasm with the message". The latter seems to be what got over 7 million more people to vote for Bush this time around even though his record was abysmal.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » November 3, 2004, 2:13 pm

Sylvus wrote:
Brotha wrote:How did this happen?! The Redskins lost!!!

But seriously, maybe now you all can admit what a terrible candidate Kerry was. How you all could nominate an ultra liberal flip flopping dove from Massachusets who protested the Vietnam War, lied about war crimes, has absolutely no charisma, etc. etc. at a time like this is beyond me. And to make matters worse, he chose for his running mate a one term pretty boy lawyer whose only accomplishment was barely winning a primary in his home state. Many people in America wanted a choice other than Bush, and the democrats could have easily won if they had just provided a SERIOUS alternative. Oh yeah, and having Michael Moore, Barbara Streisand, some has-been rockers, and a bunch of airhead rap artists come out swinging for Kerry while attacking Bush in hysterical terms probably didn't sit well either with the average American voter.
What, the fuck, are you talking about? Terrible candidate? HE IS GOING TO WIN OR LOSE THIS ELECTION BY SOMEWHERE ON THE ORDER OF 100,000 VOTES IN OHIO. If people in America weren't dumb enough to think that Iraq was actually a thread to our safety, or that Kerry would somehow make us less safe than Bush has made us, John Kerry would be President today.

He also had less votes than god awful gore. And Bush also has him beat by 4 million votes across the country. So if Bush is that bad of a president, they should have been able to put Xzion on the ballot and win.

Post by **Sylvus** » November 3, 2004, 2:18 pm

I'm merely saying that calling him a "terrible candidate" is horseshit. When all is said and done, 0.1% of the voters (the margin of victory in ohio) pushed the incumbent, war-time president to victory.

Oh well, I just hope that his second term is more benign than I think it is going to be.

Ceredwin · Post by **Ceredwin** » November 3, 2004, 2:21 pm

Kerry was a frightening anyone-but-Bush alternative, with massive liberal left-wing baggage. Hillary should have had the balls to run this time, and then Democrats would maybe have had a viable candidate.

I am glad that this was concisive, and would feel the same way had Kerry won. The 2000 election was a stain on our Democracy and there are many problems with our election system that need to be addressed, so that our elections are not litigated. I suggest reading "Stealing Elections: How Voter Fraud threatens our Democracy" by John H. Fund. My brother gave me this book to read last week and it is eye opening, to say the least, and faults both parties.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/A...4845888-3420720

Mawafu · Post by **Mawafu** » November 3, 2004, 2:23 pm

Rellix wrote:- Armageddon.. right..right... we're a lot more likely to be destroyed from nukes than a large asteroid.

Funniest remark in this thread. I hope you were being sarcastic...

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 3, 2004, 2:23 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » November 3, 2004, 2:24 pm

Well, lets also say he was not a "good candidate". Can you not agree that watching him in the debates where everything he said was "I have a plan" for an hour each night was a killer? The guy had these plans but could never talk about them.....give fucking details on this "plan" or shut up. I could run in 2008 with talk of making jobs, cutting the defecit, ending terrorism, giving everyone free medical service.....but if I could only come up with "I have a plan" as my reasoning in public debates I am sure as fuck not going to win.

In my opinion, Florida was his death knoll. All the bullshit about Florida from the last election where all these idiots said they were tricked into voting Bush and you would think that they would come back to get it right this time. Well, either they really are incompetent and can't vote for their candidate or maybe there was no problem the first time around.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » November 3, 2004, 2:24 pm

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » November 3, 2004, 2:26 pm

I just don't want to hear the word "hindsight" from anyone that voted Bush in the next 4 years. You bitched about "hindsight" for a few years now, and yet, you seem to have wanted to do it all over again.

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » November 3, 2004, 2:38 pm

I wonder if Kerry can finally tell us what his super secret plan for Iraq is now that the election is over.

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