Wow a new Low for Reps in Florida...

[Raistin]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/n ... 956129.stm

A secret document obtained from inside Bush campaign headquarters in Florida suggests a plan - possibly in violation of US law - to disrupt voting in the state's African-American voting districts, a BBC Newsnight investigation reveals.

Election supervisor Ion Sancho believes some voters are being intimidated
Two e-mails, prepared for the executive director of the Bush campaign in Florida and the campaign's national research director in Washington DC, contain a 15-page so-called "caging list".

It lists 1,886 names and addresses of voters in predominantly black and traditionally Democrat areas of Jacksonville, Florida.

An elections supervisor in Tallahassee, when shown the list, told Newsnight: "The only possible reason why they would keep such a thing is to challenge voters on election day."

Ion Sancho, a Democrat, noted that Florida law allows political party operatives inside polling stations to stop voters from obtaining a ballot.

Mass challenges

They may then only vote "provisionally" after signing an affidavit attesting to their legal voting status.

Mass challenges have never occurred in Florida. Indeed, says Mr Sancho, not one challenge has been made to a voter "in the 16 years I've been supervisor of elections."

"Quite frankly, this process can be used to slow down the voting process and cause chaos on election day; and discourage voters from voting."

Sancho calls it "intimidation." And it may be illegal.

A Republican spokeswoman did not deny that voters would be challenged at polling stations
In Washington, well-known civil rights attorney, Ralph Neas, noted that US federal law prohibits targeting challenges to voters, even if there is a basis for the challenge, if race is a factor in targeting the voters.

The list of Jacksonville voters covers an area with a majority of black residents.

When asked by Newsnight for an explanation of the list, Republican spokespersons claim the list merely records returned mail from either fundraising solicitations or returned letters sent to newly registered voters to verify their addresses for purposes of mailing campaign literature.

Republican state campaign spokeswoman Mindy Tucker Fletcher stated the list was not put together "in order to create" a challenge list, but refused to say it would not be used in that manner.

Rather, she did acknowledge that the party's poll workers will be instructed to challenge voters, "Where it's stated in the law."

There was no explanation as to why such clerical matters would be sent to top officials of the Bush campaign in Florida and Washington.

Private detective

Democrat Congresswoman Corinne Brown says watches a private investigator film voters
In Jacksonville, to determine if Republicans were using the lists or other means of intimidating voters, we filmed a private detective filming every "early voter" - the majority of whom are black - from behind a vehicle with blacked-out windows.

The private detective claimed not to know who was paying for his all-day services.

On the scene, Democratic Congresswoman Corinne Brown said the surveillance operation was part of a campaign of intimidation tactics used by the Republican Party to intimidate and scare off African American voters, almost all of whom are registered Democrats.

[Aslanna]

Nothing is too low for Republicans...

[Winnow]

Please...this is the shit democrats had planned in thier campaign training manual to stir up trouble and get their lawyers positioned for the battle after Nov 2nd.

Pure scum. 10,000 democrat lawyers running around with orders to cause trouble and paranoia.

[noel]

Please...this is the shit democrats had planned in thier campaign training manual to stir up trouble and get their lawyers positioned for the battle after Nov 2nd.

Pure scum. 10,000 democrat lawyers running around with orders to cause trouble and paranoia.

Linkage, proof, etc?

End the bullshit.

[Winnow]

You need another link to the campaign guide that the democrats already admitted to being legit?

[Thess]

This story broke about a week ago.

People were e-mailing http://www.georgewbush.org - they had a see all e-mail tag.

Greg Palist got ahold of the caging and broke the story.

Also, if anyone is told they can't vote due to something (regardless of republican or democrat), ask for a supervisor - if they keep insisting you can't vote, ask for a provisional ballot.

[Soreali]

Heard on the radio today that some democratic pricks were calling elderly people in PA and telling them that the voting machines were broken and that going down to vote would be a waste of time because it wouldn't work.

Eventually, the people who received the phone calls called one of the town councilmen and he spread the story along and it landed on Mark Lavin's(Talk show host here in the NY area) show.


Dont know how true it is but sure as hell wouldn't surprise me.

[Aruman]

This story broke about a week ago.

People were e-mailing http://www.georgewbush.org - they had a see all e-mail tag.

Greg Palist got ahold of the caging and broke the story.

Also, if anyone is told they can't vote due to something (regardless of republican or democrat), ask for a supervisor - if they keep insisting you can't vote, ask for a provisional ballot.

Provisional Ballots don't do a thing if you aren't properly registered to vote to begin with. Just wasting someone's time if you aren't registered and you use one of these Provisional Ballots.

[Xzion]

You need another link to the campaign guide that the democrats already admitted to being legit?

Trying to make voter corruption a partisan issue is retarded

[Lynks]

I heard that republicans kidnapped a bunch of babies and are holding them hostage and won't give them back if they vote.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Heard on the radio today that some democratic pricks were calling elderly people in PA and telling them that the voting machines were broken and that going down to vote would be a waste of time because it wouldn't work.

Eventually, the people who received the phone calls called one of the town councilmen and he spread the story along and it landed on Mark Lavin's(Talk show host here in the NY area) show.


Dont know how true it is but sure as hell wouldn't surprise me.

It's true. When I was in line this morning, all the old bags were asking if the machines were working.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Please...this is the shit democrats had planned in thier campaign training manual to stir up trouble and get their lawyers positioned for the battle after Nov 2nd.

Pure scum. 10,000 democrat lawyers running around with orders to cause trouble and paranoia.

Linkage, proof, etc?

End the bullshit.

Where's your proof to the contrary? Winnow is stating his opinion of this bogus accusation. An accusation with....OMG....no fucking proof. LOL. But, now all of the sudden you want proof. It doesn't bother you they are making such a claim without proof, it only bothers you that people are questioning the baseless accusation. WOW. If that doesn't some up this whole election year, nothing does.

[Nick]

Die

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Die

Nice mentality. Kill what you fear.

[Lynks]

Die

Nice mentality. Kill what you fear.

Why not, it worked for Bush so far.

[Winnow]

Die

Nice mentality. Kill what you fear.

Why not, it worked for Bush so far.

And for Bin Laden too!

[Lynks]

Thats a given.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Difference is, Bush was doing the job he was elected to do, which is protect America and it's citizens. Bin Laden is a terrorist leader. Doesn't equate does it?

[Aslanna]

Difference is, Bush was doing the job he was elected to do, which is protect America and it's citizens. Bin Laden is a terrorist leader. Doesn't equate does it?

I don't think most people voted for him to invade Iraq.

[Lynks]

Difference is, Bush was doing the job he was elected to do, which is protect America and it's citizens. Bin Laden is a terrorist leader. Doesn't equate does it?

Uhhh, who the hell is comparing Bin Laden to Bush here? I wasn't. Ohhhh, I get it, you're dyslexic. Makes perfect sense now.

[Siji]

Difference is, Bush was doing the job he was elected to do, which is protect America and it's citizens. Bin Laden is a terrorist leader. Doesn't equate does it?

I'd love to hear you explain the difference between Bush and Bin Laden, however, you seem to honestly believe Bush was protecting America by invading Iraq so your explanation would be worthless.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Difference is, Bush was doing the job he was elected to do, which is protect America and it's citizens. Bin Laden is a terrorist leader. Doesn't equate does it?

I don't think most people voted for him to invade Iraq.

It's not your job to vote for everything. If it was we would have daily elections on all the issues. We don't have time for that. That is why we elect people to do this for us. Maybe you missed basic government classes in school? Jeez.

[Winnow]

Difference is, Bush was doing the job he was elected to do, which is protect America and it's citizens. Bin Laden is a terrorist leader. Doesn't equate does it?

I don't think most people voted for him to invade Iraq.

I don't think they voted for him to do nothing if something like 911 happened either.

[Aslanna]

Difference is, Bush was doing the job he was elected to do, which is protect America and it's citizens. Bin Laden is a terrorist leader. Doesn't equate does it?

I don't think most people voted for him to invade Iraq.

It's not your job to vote for everything. If it was we would have daily elections on all the issues. We don't have time for that. That is why we elect people to do this for us. Maybe you missed basic government classes in school? Jeez.

So you've yet to explain how invading iraq was "protecting America and its citizens." Jeez!

You're a bit denser than usual today. If that were possible.

[Kluden]

Question & criticize everything!

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American Public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt, 1918

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Difference is, Bush was doing the job he was elected to do, which is protect America and it's citizens. Bin Laden is a terrorist leader. Doesn't equate does it?

I don't think most people voted for him to invade Iraq.

It's not your job to vote for everything. If it was we would have daily elections on all the issues. We don't have time for that. That is why we elect people to do this for us. Maybe you missed basic government classes in school? Jeez.

So you've yet to explain how invading iraq was "protecting America and its citizens." Jeez!

You're a bit denser than usual today. If that were possible.

If you don't know that by now, then you just aren't listening. Many people do not see that invading Iraq has great long term potential for a peaceful middle east. Many people do not see a problem with France and Germany making millions off the Oil for Food scandal and wanting this scam to continue thus representing globally their refusal to go into Iraq for reasons other than greed. Many people don't have a problem with Russia selling Iraq arms, moving arms before the war, etc. There is no convincing you. You have your mind made up. Restating things for the elenty billionth time serves what fucking purpose?

[Hesten]

Heard on the radio today that some democratic pricks were calling elderly people in PA and telling them that the voting machines were broken and that going down to vote would be a waste of time because it wouldn't work.

Eventually, the people who received the phone calls called one of the town councilmen and he spread the story along and it landed on Mark Lavin's(Talk show host here in the NY area) show.


Dont know how true it is but sure as hell wouldn't surprise me.

It's true. When I was in line this morning, all the old bags were asking if the machines were working.

And as we all know, thats in Midnytes world undisputable proof of those claims.
It couldnt possibly be:
Fear raised due to rumors about people calling up to get people to refrain from voting.
Fear of the machines in general due to distrust in machinery.
Fear of the machines in general due old age.
Or maybe fear of the machines because they are not in any way to be trusted.

[Nick]

Haha, you think i fear you?

You tit

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Heard on the radio today that some democratic pricks were calling elderly people in PA and telling them that the voting machines were broken and that going down to vote would be a waste of time because it wouldn't work.

Eventually, the people who received the phone calls called one of the town councilmen and he spread the story along and it landed on Mark Lavin's(Talk show host here in the NY area) show.


Dont know how true it is but sure as hell wouldn't surprise me.

It's true. When I was in line this morning, all the old bags were asking if the machines were working.

And as we all know, thats in Midnytes world undisputable proof of those claims.
It couldnt possibly be:
Fear raised due to rumors about people calling up to get people to refrain from voting.
Fear of the machines in general due to distrust in machinery.
Fear of the machines in general due old age.
Or maybe fear of the machines because they are not in any way to be trusted.

Don't presume so much. You look like a big gaping asshole when you do.

You are correct. It could be those reasons you stated. I just found it odd this morning when the ladies next to me mentioned they got a call saying the machines weren't working and then noticed many others asking ass soon as they got in line if the machines were working.

Anything else?

[Aslanna]

So you've yet to explain how invading iraq was "protecting America and its citizens." Jeez!

You're a bit denser than usual today. If that were possible.

If you don't know that by now, then you just aren't listening.

Yes. I should have known by now that you're quite dense. What was I thinking!

(Quoting out of context rules!)

[Nick]

LOLZ MIDNYTE 60 MILLION GERMANS CANT BE WRONG!!!exclamationmark!one1

[Damiarch]

Difference is, Bush was doing the job he was elected to do, which is protect America and it's citizens. Bin Laden is a terrorist leader. Doesn't equate does it?

I don't think most people voted for him to invade Iraq.

I don't think they voted for him to do nothing if something like 911 happened either.

and what does 911 and Iraq have to do with each other? ohhh thats right.. nothing.

well your right though, at least he did something about 911 by catching Osama.. oh wait, no he hasnt. he decided to invade Iraq instead

well at least he found Iraq's WMD's.. oh wait no he hasnt!

well at least he found Oil for haliburten to have a no bid contract on right?
thats why im paying 2 dollars per gallon on gas now right?

[Winnow]

Difference is, Bush was doing the job he was elected to do, which is protect America and it's citizens. Bin Laden is a terrorist leader. Doesn't equate does it?

I don't think most people voted for him to invade Iraq.

I don't think they voted for him to do nothing if something like 911 happened either.

and what does 911 and Iraq have to do with each other? ohhh thats right.. nothing.

well your right though, at least he did something about 911 by catching Osama.. oh wait, no he hasnt. he decided to invade Iraq instead

well at least he found Iraq's WMD's.. oh wait no he hasnt!

well at least he found Oil for haliburten to have a no bid contract on right?
thats why im paying 2 dollars per gallon on gas now right?

No need to read anything that equates failure with not catching Bin Laden. You're a complete waste if you judge the war on terror on capturing one man. Suck up that Kerry propaganda!

[Nick]

Yes because what was it that actually attacked America?


The faceless TERROR! or Osama Bin Laden?





Consider this example.

ManA burns down ManB's house.
ManB is outraged.
ManB goes and burns down ManC's house.
ManA gets away


This is your scenario Winnow, if you cannot understand that, in its basest form, you may as well go and fucking kill yourself.

[Damiarch]

Do you not think we would have more success in Afghanistan had we not started throwing precious resources at Iraq for these mirage WMD's? errr Oil?

And to insinuate that I'm sucking up Kerry propaganda is ludicrous.. you don't know me so spare me that bullshit retort. I don't think he's all that great.. but I do think he's the lesser of the two evils. Which in this sad day is all we can hope for.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Yes because what was it that actually attacked America?


The faceless TERROR! or Osama Bin Laden?





Consider this example.

ManA burns down ManB's house.
ManB is outraged.
ManB goes and burns down ManC's house.
ManA gets away


This is your scenario Winnow, if you cannot understand that, in its basest form, you may as well go and fucking kill yourself.

Your scenario is imaginary though.

ManA - attacked ManB's house.
ManB - is indeed pissed off.
ManB - attacked ManA's house
ManB - then decided to attack some more people as disgusting as ManA

[Lynks]

and don't forget ManA gets away.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

and don't forget ManA gets away.

And don't forget to be short sighted and small minded and not able to look at the big picture...oh wait, you haven't.

Don't worry feeble minded one. The US still wants to get Bin Laden. The size of our force in Afghanistan is still the same. We are still trying.

[Brotha]

This is going to be an incredibly nasty election, I don't see how you can really say either part has a monopoly on trying to win at any costs.

Found this funny:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/nov04/271676.asp

The tires of at least 30 cars and vans rented by the Republican Party to carry voters to the polls were slashed, Milwaukee police said this morning. The discovery was made at 6:30 a.m., said Sgt. Mark Wroblewski.

The rental cars were parked near a GOP office in the 7100 block of W. Capitol Dr. Wroblewski said "at least" 30 cars were disabled. At least one tire was slashed and in some cases, all four tires were cut. Detectives were on the scene, the sergeant said. Police had no suspects in custody as of 8 a.m.

[archeiron]

and don't forget ManA gets away.

And don't forget to be short sighted and small minded and not able to look at the big picture...oh wait, you haven't.

Don't worry feeble minded one. The US still wants to get Bin Laden. The size of our force in Afghanistan is still the same. We are still trying.

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

(Courtesy of Voronwe)

[Brotha]

How do those quotes disprove anything Midnyte just said?

[archeiron]

The US still wants to get Bin Laden.

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

How do those quotes disprove anything Midnyte just said?

I am sorry, but I don't understand your question. It is pretty damn clear that his statement is in contradiction to what the President has said.

[Brotha]

I am sorry, but I don't understand your question. It is pretty damn clear that his statement is in contradiction to what the President has said.

The US still wants to get Bin Laden. The size of our force in Afghanistan is still the same. We are still trying.

Are you saying the US doesn't want to get Bin Laden, isn't trying to get him, or that our force in Afghanistan is less?

[Lynks]

and don't forget ManA gets away.

And don't forget to be short sighted and small minded and not able to look at the big picture...oh wait, you haven't.

Don't worry feeble minded one. The US still wants to get Bin Laden. The size of our force in Afghanistan is still the same. We are still trying.

Its ok, if short sided means the blood of innocent civillians will not be on my hands, then I better get some glasses. Feeble minded one? *Laugh* Keep thinking to yourself that you are smarter than the average bear Booboo.

[archeiron]

Are you saying the US doesn't want to get Bin Laden, isn't trying to get him, or that our force in Afghanistan is less?

There are currently 17,900 US troops stationed in Afghanistan. In both July and October, that number has been confirmed to be valid through the end of this year. I did not refute those numbers or in any way demean the effort of those 17,900 men and women, but I would caution that not even a majority of those are focused on bin Laden. Nor did I mention anything of the troops in Iraq (where bin Laden is not) that number over ten times the number in Afghanistan.

However, Bush has been quoted several times as saying that finding Osama bin Laden is no longer a priority. If it isn't clear from his quotes, his focus is not on catching bin Laden.

As the criminal mastermind behind numerous terrorist attacks, he is a major player in the War on Terror. No evidence has been presented to suggest that Saddam Hussien has orchestrated or directly facilitated a terrorist attack against America. Midnyte has suggested that someone is not looking at the big picture, and I am offering a minor example of how that someone is Bush. Bush appears to have only a minor interest in a major terrorist organization and a massive interest in country that has been crippled by previous wars and over a decade of sanctions.

This says nothing of lost explosives, or the likely increases in terrorist recruitment following America's unlawful invasion of Iraq. This has nothing to do with the fact that Iran has obtained long range missiles and nuclear capabilities while America was busy flexing their military muscles in Iraq. This says nothing of the loss of internation credibility that would otherwise allow us to track terrorists and seize their assests.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

However, Bush has been quoted several times as saying that finding Osama bin Laden is no longer a priority. If it isn't clear from his quotes, his focus is not on catching bin Laden.

Try using a little common sense Arch. Don't you think Bush had wet dreams every night of being able to go on TV and say we got Bin Laden? WTF Dude? Take a fucking step and use common sense.

[Lohrno]

Try using a little common sense Arch. Don't you think Bush had wet dreams every night of being able to go on TV and say we got Bin Laden? WTF Dude? Take a fucking step and use common sense.

I don't think they outwiegh the wet dreams of selling those Halliburton stocks...


-=Lohrno

[Lynks]

Probably so, but he said it wasn't a priority you fucking dyslexic bitch.

[archeiron]

However, Bush has been quoted several times as saying that finding Osama bin Laden is no longer a priority. If it isn't clear from his quotes, his focus is not on catching bin Laden.

Try using a little common sense Arch. Don't you think Bush had wet dreams every night of being able to go on TV and say we got Bin Laden? WTF Dude? Take a fucking step and use common sense.

Would you care to explain Bush's comments?

[Damiarch]

However, Bush has been quoted several times as saying that finding Osama bin Laden is no longer a priority. If it isn't clear from his quotes, his focus is not on catching bin Laden.

Try using a little common sense Arch. Don't you think Bush had wet dreams every night of being able to go on TV and say we got Bin Laden? WTF Dude? Take a fucking step and use common sense.

Mr. Ragebringer, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.