www.georgewbush.com closed for non-US visitors

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » October 27, 2004, 4:11 pm

Seems like Bush are so afraid of his own politics that he wont even allow non-us people to see his webpage. That of course cause some problems for americans overseas, but hell, theyll most likely be liberal pussies from all that non-us influence out there, and be voting for Kerry anyway, right?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3958665.stm

miir · Post by **miir** » October 27, 2004, 4:13 pm

I can hit the site fine.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » October 27, 2004, 4:14 pm

miir wrote:I can hit the site fine.

Same

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » October 27, 2004, 4:24 pm

The site can still be seen using anonymous proxy services that are based in the US. Some web users in Canada also report that they can browse the site.

Thats why

. Cant see it here in DK.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » October 27, 2004, 4:25 pm

You know, I can see the reasoning behind this.
No offense to our international posters, but it's getting a little boring listening to your complaints about this election and Bush's policies. Yes, I realize they may or may not affect you, but you don't see american citizens protesting to get the leader of France changed.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » October 27, 2004, 4:31 pm

Who Gives a Flying Fuck if you can see it?

Post by **Sylvus** » October 27, 2004, 4:37 pm

The site can still be seen using anonymous proxy services that are based in the US. Some web users in Canada also report that they can browse the site.

You two must be "some web users in Canada"!

I'm guessing that if they are blocking external traffic, it's just to keep it speedy for people trying to make their decisions as the election is almost upon us.

miir · Post by **miir** » October 27, 2004, 4:40 pm

Akaran_D wrote:You know, I can see the reasoning behind this.
No offense to our international posters, but it's getting a little boring listening to your complaints about this election and Bush's policies. Yes, I realize they may or may not affect you...

Since American politics greatly influences everyone worldwide (and especially in Canada), we would be stupid not to show some interest in it.

I do take offense at your asshead comments....To be honest with you Akaran, it's getting really fucking annoying listening to you try to dismiss non Americans because you think that we should not be allowed to have opnions on your politics. It's pretty funny that most of the non american posters in this forum seem to have a better understanding of the politics of your country than you.

You should try to learn from the opinions of non americans. We can look at the situation in your country with much less bias.

Using your fucked up logic, Iraqis should not be allowed to voice their boring opinions on American politics because they are not American.... for fuck sakes, do you have any idea how idiotic you sound?

but you don't see american citizens protesting to get the leader of France changed

Yeah because Americans like yourself are too ignorant and arrogant to believe that anything outside of their country is worth worrying about. Would the average American even be able to find France on a map?

PS: Don't PM me on this post either... I really don't want to hear your boring opinion.

noel · Post by **noel** » October 27, 2004, 4:45 pm

Akaran_D wrote:You know, I can see the reasoning behind this.
No offense to our international posters, but it's getting a little boring listening to your complaints about this election and Bush's policies. Yes, I realize they may or may not affect you, but you don't see american citizens protesting to get the leader of France changed.

Most Americans can't name the leader of France.

miir · Post by **miir** » October 27, 2004, 4:46 pm

Cartalas wrote:You have added this person to your Ignore List. Click HERE to view this post.

FUCK OFF YOUR GAY
GO AWAY PILLOWBITING FUCKFACE

noel · Post by **noel** » October 27, 2004, 4:50 pm

I'd like to add that I've probably learned as much from non-Americans about the United States as I have from Americans... Teachers, professors, etc.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » October 27, 2004, 4:52 pm

noel wrote:
Akaran_D wrote:You know, I can see the reasoning behind this.
No offense to our international posters, but it's getting a little boring listening to your complaints about this election and Bush's policies. Yes, I realize they may or may not affect you, but you don't see american citizens protesting to get the leader of France changed.
Most Americans can't name the leader of France.

Isint it Jacque 'The Cock

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » October 27, 2004, 4:54 pm

miir wrote:
Cartalas wrote:You have added this person to your Ignore List. Click HERE to view this post.
FUCK OFF YOUR GAY
GO AWAY PILLOWBITING FUCKFACE

How sweet you remember me.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » October 27, 2004, 4:54 pm

Akaran_D wrote:You know, I can see the reasoning behind this.
No offense to our international posters, but it's getting a little boring listening to your complaints about this election and Bush's policies. Yes, I realize they may or may not affect you, but you don't see american citizens protesting to get the leader of France changed.

Keep in mind we are the most influential nation in the world, and our presidents descisions effect others outside this nation.
If the French Prime Minister's policys were having an effect on my life then i would sure as hell have a stronger opinion of him.

noel · Post by **noel** » October 27, 2004, 4:55 pm

This forum was actually quite nice without your 'Beavis and Butthead'-esque one-liners. How about participating instead of being a problem?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 27, 2004, 5:00 pm

You can cut my internet access off to every country in europe except Sweden. Much

for the Swedish DC++ Pirates!

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » October 27, 2004, 6:22 pm

you don't see american citizens protesting to get the leader of France changed.

Well, in all fairness, that's largely because when teh US doesn't like the internal policies of another nation we invade them and "liberate" their people. No need to merely complain when you have policies like that.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » October 27, 2004, 6:26 pm

You can still go to http://www.georgewbush.org oh wait that's an anti-george bush site.

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » October 27, 2004, 6:47 pm

Yeah, or to http://www.bushrelativesforkerry.com

. Guess even people related to him want him in the white house any more

archeiron · Post by **archeiron** » October 27, 2004, 7:56 pm

I assume that this would be fairly painful for expatriots, which makes up an not insignificant quantity of voters.

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » October 27, 2004, 9:13 pm

Thess wrote:You can still go to http://www.georgewbush.org oh wait that's an anti-george bush site.

clever =p

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » October 27, 2004, 10:26 pm

Look Miir. If you can't take criticism, then feel free to take offense.

Did I ever say or imply that the opinion of a country we are commited to and warring in should have no opinion on how we handle the issue over there? No, I didn't.

To be honest with you Akaran, it's getting really fucking annoying listening to you try to dismiss non Americans because you think that we should not be allowed to have opnions on your politics.

And it's just as annoying listening to TeamCanada tell us how bad we're screwing up internal issues that have no effect on what we do in the rest of the world. If you don't like problem a, b, c in our country, and it doesn't effect your country in any way shape or form, why do you feel it is necessary to lambast everyone about it? I'm not fond of the fact that Canada has lesser penalties for weed use than that of the US. Do you see me starting a post about why this is such a bad idea or why I disagree with it? No, you don't, because it isn't my concern since I don't live there.

Yes, you have a right to voice your opinion on things we do that directly influneces your country. I'm not going to argue that. But does everything we do deserve your criticism? Seriously - does it?

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » October 27, 2004, 10:56 pm

Now now Akaran does the same idea work for Americans? After all, nobody talks as much about other people's affairs as Americans do..

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » October 28, 2004, 12:02 am

Ask your average American what he thinks of random_british_internal_policy_03 and I'm pretty sure you'll get a resounding "don't give a shit."

If it's a policy that effects the global community, ie: trade tarrif, then yes, opinions from all countires should be warranted.

Wonko Wenusberg · Post by **Wonko Wenusberg** » October 28, 2004, 1:28 am

Well U.S politics pretty much fucked up the international good-will global feeling, didn't it mumified monk? AND THAT AFFECTS EVERYBODY

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 28, 2004, 2:02 am

Akaran_D wrote:Ask your average American what he thinks of random_british_internal_policy_03 and I'm pretty sure you'll get a resounding "don't give a shit."

If it's a policy that effects the global community, ie: trade tarrif, then yes, opinions from all countires should be warranted.

Honestly, I think that would depend on the policy and if it touches on some of your more popular dogma.

For instance, how do you feel about female circumcision?

Hrmm, not British enough, how about if the Canadians clear felled their entire country?

Oh, how about Canadians williness to allow refugees into Canada without papers?

Now to be fair, ask the "Average American" what he thinks about anyone else and the honest answer is he doesn't. You didn't think anyone could have a real effect on you (prior to 9/11), but even in the "post-9/11 era" as your emporer puts it, that insular nature hasn't changed that much (if you take government sponsored Arab hunting out of the equation).

However, you DO spend a great deal of time contemplating the best way to denude your testicals, for example. No one with the time for that is busy with foreign affairs, you can bet Powell has some hairy balls.

But, case in point. The Bush website, no.. I don't really care if I can see the emporer's new clothes or not. Nothing on a website that is no doubt devoted to republican nutjobs and scumbags affects me in the slightest. However, the US is the leading cause of tension in the western world at the moment, not mullahs, not fatwahs, not babies stuffed w/ RDX, and we will continue to say quite a lot until you stop shaking your cock at the rest of the world.

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » October 28, 2004, 7:10 am

noel wrote:
Akaran_D wrote:You know, I can see the reasoning behind this.
No offense to our international posters, but it's getting a little boring listening to your complaints about this election and Bush's policies. Yes, I realize they may or may not affect you, but you don't see american citizens protesting to get the leader of France changed.
Most Americans can't name the leader of France.

Sorry, there are more important things to me than remembering something so minor... like... I need to clip my toenails today.

Post by **Sylvus** » October 28, 2004, 11:47 am

Akaran_D wrote:I'm not fond of the fact that Canada has lesser penalties for weed use than that of the US. Do you see me starting a post about why this is such a bad idea or why I disagree with it? No, you don't, because it isn't my concern since I don't live there.

Sure it's your concern. Voice your opinion and hear the opinions of those people directly affected by it. Hear their reasoning on why the voters supported that action, and judge for yourself whether it was a good or bad call, or if they had enacted it in a way that you hadn't considered that might change your stance on it. Start a discussion about why you think it's a bad thing. This is a fucking discussion forum for christ's sake, stop being such a pussy.

Canadians, I welcome your comments on everything that you'd like to comment on. Same goes for the Swedish, Danish, French, Spanish and whoever else we have reading this board. A discussion about something where everyone is in agreement and there is no dissenting opinion isn't very productive.

Pengu · Post by **Pengu** » October 28, 2004, 12:11 pm

Winnow wrote:You can cut my internet access off to every country in europe except Sweden. Much for the Swedish DC++ Pirates!

omg you're the one making my fav hubs slow down.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » October 28, 2004, 12:24 pm

LOLZ ARUMAN BEING BLIND TO THE WORLD YOU LIVE ON IS TEH FUNNEY!!!11one!1

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » October 28, 2004, 5:37 pm

For instance, how do you feel about female circumcision?

Don't approve of it. Can't change it. Not going to bitch about it.

Hrmm, not British enough, how about if the Canadians clear felled their entire country?

If it's necessary to support their lumber industry, then go for it, but i hope they're prepared for the consequences.

Oh, how about Canadians williness to allow refugees into Canada without papers?

All yours, and we have a few thousand people we would like to be rid of. Fair warning - if any of those 'refugees' attacks us, then I'd expect your government to be held indirectly responsible.

Syl:

Sure it's your concern. Voice your opinion and hear the opinions of those people directly affected by it. Hear their reasoning on why the voters supported that action, and judge for yourself whether it was a good or bad call, or if they had enacted it in a way that you hadn't considered that might change your stance on it. Start a discussion about why you think it's a bad thing. This is a fucking discussion forum for christ's sake, stop being such a pussy.

If it doesn't directly or even indirectly effect me within 3 steps of something that is, I don't care. I have no right to complain about it and so I won't. If asked, I'll give an opinion on it, but it's not something I'll volunteer right out of the blue.

As long as it doesn't effect me, I don't have any reason to tell you how I think you should do it.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » October 28, 2004, 5:50 pm

So you would be totally fine if the Brits made a clone of Hitler and Jesus combined to make some kind of super villain beacause it doesn't directly affect you?

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » October 28, 2004, 6:27 pm

From EWeek.com

Bush Site Blocks Some Foreign Access
By Wayne Rash
October 27, 2004

A British Internet services site has charged that the Bush re-election campaign has begun blocking access to the site by users outside the United States. Netcraft Ltd. based in Bath, England, on Wednesday reported that efforts to reach http://www.georgewbush.com resulted in an error indicating that their access was denied.

The company also reported that attempts to access the Web site from within the United States were degraded. Graphs distributed by the company show spikes in response time that would indicate delays in responding due to traffic or reasons related to attacks on the site.

Following the Netcraft announcement, a number of sources have speculated that this was an attempt by the Bush campaign to exclude people from outside the United States, including citizens traveling or living abroad, or military service members stationed abroad. The company also reported that other non-U.S. offices (including those in Canada) were able to gain access to the site.

What does the site blockage say about the Bush campaign? Click here for a column.

Despite the speculation, analysis by eWEEK.com shows no evidence of a wholesale attempt to exclude foreign users. In addition, comments from sources within the Bush campaign staff indicate that the Web site instead is experiencing some sort of technical problem. But the campaign has not provided an official explanation as to why non-U.S. users might be excluded, or even if the campaign is doing this.

It is a normal security practice, however, to exclude packets from some origins—including entire countries—as a defensive measure against a DDOS (distributed denial of service) attack.

Some security tools, such as eSecurity (from the company of the same name), feature the ability to determine the country of origin for an attack, and then block packets until the attack has passed. The traffic charts provided by Netcraft are consistent with such an attack.

Efforts to get an explanation from the Bush campaign regarding the blocking of foreign sites have been unsuccessful. But the campaign has told eWEEK.com that a full explanation is forthcoming.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » October 28, 2004, 6:52 pm

While I don't see how combining Hitler and Jesus could make a supervillan...

Yeah, that is something I would be concerned about, because it would have the very large probabilty of affecting world issues.

Avestan · Post by **Avestan** » October 28, 2004, 7:15 pm

miir wrote: You should try to learn from the opinions of non americans. We can look at the situation in your country with much less bias.

Don't be so arrogant to think you have less bias. You have as much or more bias than Americans because you are looking at issues from arm's length. Unless you truly understand American domestic issues (you don't), and you truly are a part of our culture (you are not), you have far more bias than we do.

You are wrong to assume we don't care who is elected as heads of other countries, we just figure that it your business to vote for your leader. I don't mind you expressing your opinion, but actively bashing either side when you are not a part of that country is both ignorant and low class.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 28, 2004, 7:19 pm

Akaran_D wrote:
For instance, how do you feel about female circumcision?
Don't approve of it. Can't change it. Not going to bitch about it.

Sure, so until someone tries to do it to your daughter or grand-daughter you have nothing to say; self-interested.

Hrmm, not British enough, how about if the Canadians clear felled their entire country?
If it's necessary to support their lumber industry, then go for it, but i hope they're prepared for the consequences.

Don't understand how the Canadian ecosystem is directly linked to your own, this would have shocking consequences for the US; ignorant.

Oh, how about Canadians williness to allow refugees into Canada without papers?
All yours, and we have a few thousand people we would like to be rid of. Fair warning - if any of those 'refugees' attacks us, then I'd expect your government to be held indirectly responsible.

So you'd expect some liberal pussies to whine about it afterwards? How do you hold someone indirectly responsible? Do you "hold" Bush indirectly responsible for the rise in terrorism world-wide?

Curious, are you trying to answer for the Average American? If so, I'll add "Do you like pizza and beer?" so you can complete the perfect score.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 28, 2004, 7:25 pm

Avestan wrote:
miir wrote: You should try to learn from the opinions of non americans. We can look at the situation in your country with much less bias.
Don't be so arrogant to think you have less bias. You have as much or more bias than Americans because you are looking at issues from arm's length. Unless you truly understand American domestic issues (you don't), and you truly are a part of our culture (you are not), you have far more bias than we do.

You are wrong to assume we don't care who is elected as heads of other countries, we just figure that it your business to vote for your leader. I don't mind you expressing your opinion, but actively bashing either side when you are not a part of that country is both ignorant and low class.

The fuck is this bullshit? How do you know if I do or don't understand American domestic issues? I think I have a far better chance of understanding them than a good proportion of your own populace, purely by taking an interest.

Explain how being vocally against Bush is either ignorant or low class? He has *clearly* demonstrated that he can (and will) directly affect me and my country, and what, I should shut the fuck up and take it in the ass else I offend your delicate sensibilities? Get real.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » October 28, 2004, 7:32 pm

Answer to the bush question:
Yes, I do.

Answer to the ecosystem:
No shit?
Geee, I wonder if they're prepared to deal with the consequences. Pretty sure I said that.

Answer to the first question:
Yes. I have intersts in regards to what happens to my daughter, grandaughter, or other family members. Who the hell here wouldn't?

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 28, 2004, 7:51 pm

Akaran_D wrote:Answer to the bush question:
Yes, I do.

Answer to the ecosystem:
No shit?
Geee, I wonder if they're prepared to deal with the consequences. Pretty sure I said that.

Answer to the first question:
Yes. I have intersts in regards to what happens to my daughter, grandaughter, or other family members. Who the hell here wouldn't?

I don't see how prepared to deal with the consequences says anything about their effect on your environment. Are you saying after they clear fell their country you'd call for them to make reperations to the US for the environmental effects?

Of course you have interests in your own family, some of us also have interests in other people's families as well.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » October 28, 2004, 8:03 pm

Answer 1: Yes. If you do something that affects someone else, you have to deal with those consequences.
Answer 2: Yes, so do I. Which is why I support the war in Iraq, any eacekeeping missions we send our troops to, and any efforts we take to stop human rights' violations.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 28, 2004, 8:20 pm

Akaran_D wrote:Answer 1: Yes. If you do something that affects someone else, you have to deal with those consequences.
Answer 2: Yes, so do I. Which is why I support the war in Iraq, any eacekeeping missions we send our troops to, and any efforts we take to stop human rights' violations.

1. After the fact would be a little late.. kinda like the female circ issue.
2. how does that gel w/ your implied contention that people should stay out of your "domestic" issues?

If it's a policy that effects the global community, ie: trade tarrif, then yes, opinions from all countires should be warranted.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » October 28, 2004, 9:15 pm

Maintaing peace efforts in countries engulfed in turmoil IS a global concern.
Dealing with terrorism on their home turf IS a global concern.

And I enver said we'd wait until after the fact if canada cut their trees out competely. Since it DOES effect other nations (us) we have the right to complain about it as much as we like.

Teaching creationism in public schools, however, does not.

Legenae · Post by **Legenae** » October 28, 2004, 10:33 pm

I have to agree with Miir. If you think that U.S. politics do not have an affect on the world then you are a fool.

Avestan - if a person/people are not directly involved in something, and are looking at a situation from "arms length" then yes, they do have less of a bias than someone who is involved.

But WTF do I know, I'm just a member of TeamCanada, eh?

I've been trying to avoid posting in any political topics because I get into enough uh, "discussions" with my husband as it is (me = liberal Canadian, him = conservative American... it makes things interesting). I do joke with him that if Bush wins, I'll knock him (the hubby) out and drag him back to Canada for the next four years.

noel · Post by **noel** » October 28, 2004, 10:35 pm

Just tell him you withhold sex if he votes for Bush. How do you think women's suffrage came about?

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » October 29, 2004, 6:42 am

Akaran_D wrote: And I enver said we'd wait until after the fact if canada cut their trees out competely. Since it DOES effect other nations (us) we have the right to complain about it as much as we like.

You ARE aware that Bush backed out of the international Kyoto agreement about environmental issues, which basically means that the rest of the world can try to help the environment and cut down on pollution, but the US just shit on that.
According to what you just said, the rest of the world got as much right to complain about Bush as americans do.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » October 29, 2004, 9:32 am

Hesten: I'm not big for the enviornment. I never have been. I think that monitoring enviornmental issues is important, and I think that preventing enviornmental damage from pollution is of grave concern. >>However<< if it's a choice between, say, drilling in a protected federal park to cut down on our dependancy for foreign oil, then I'm all for blazing a trail in and milking the little bugger for all its worth..

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » October 29, 2004, 10:05 am

Akaran you are a fucking tard. Bush is concentrating his entire campaign on FOREIGN policy, and you believe that FOREIGNERS do not have the "right" to voice their opinions on how he interacts with them? lol. classic conservative anti-logic.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » October 29, 2004, 10:13 am

Akaran_D wrote:Hesten: I'm not big for the enviornment. I never have been. I think that monitoring enviornmental issues is important, and I think that preventing enviornmental damage from pollution is of grave concern. >>However<< if it's a choice between, say, drilling in a protected federal park to cut down on our dependancy for foreign oil, then I'm all for blazing a trail in and milking the little bugger for all its worth..

So you are all for ruining the environment so that you and maybe your kids have enough gas to go to work. What about the effects on your grandchildren, what will they do? You destroyed a park (and most likely polluted the air by doing it).

As Midnyte would say, you need to look at the big picture, not just short term.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » October 29, 2004, 10:18 am

I agree Destroying our parks is not a option. Is there a chance we can slant drill into Canada?

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » October 29, 2004, 10:20 am

Lynks:
God help us, but I beleive by the time my grandchildren grow up we'll have alternitive fuel sources available. In the meantime, opening up protected reserves to cut down on costs now so we can afford to do that research could well be a necessity.

I am looking through the big picture mate, just through different eyes than you.