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Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » October 25, 2004, 2:29 pm

http://www.drudgereport.com/dncee.htm

The wife of Dem vice presidential hopeful John Edwards said on Sunday there will be no riots around the election -- if Kerry/Edwards wins!

C-SPAN cameras captured spouse Elizabeth Edwards making the startling comments to a supporter during a Kerry Campaign Town Hall Meeting in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.

Supporter: Kerry's going to take PA.

Liz Edwards: I know that.

Supporter: I'm just worried there's going to be riots afterwards.

Liz Edwards: Uh.....well...not if we win.

...

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 25, 2004, 2:40 pm

There will be chaos in the streets then.

Bust out the riot police and declare marshal law the day before the elections. Thanks for giving Bush a good reason to use the fear factor to boost their turnout : )

A rubber bullet in your ass is your October Surprise!

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » October 25, 2004, 2:41 pm

in the daily run from the issues (as opposed to running ON them), the GOP has finally scraped the bottom of the barrel with ridiculous things to feign outrage about.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 25, 2004, 2:45 pm

Voronwë wrote:in the daily run from the issues (as opposed to running ON them), the GOP has finally scraped the bottom of the barrel with ridiculous things to feign outrage about.

You can't seriously think the democrats are any better. Their whole strategy to cause paranoia about voter fraud when none is happening (and if it does will be happening on both sides) is equally lame.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » October 25, 2004, 2:45 pm

Drudge report, the most trusted name in news

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » October 25, 2004, 3:13 pm

Winnow wrote: You can't seriously think the democrats are any better. Their whole strategy to cause paranoia about voter fraud when none is happening (and if it does will be happening on both sides) is equally lame.

It is happening. And it is happening on both sides. That said there is a lot to be feared if Bush gets re-elected. Nuclear war is one possibility. Becomming a third world country via being crushed by the huge debts of all this is another. This isn't stuff I'm gleaming off of democrats.org or some such site, this is what I am observing. We didn't have to use an ICBM to drop the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and I don't think NK has to either. There's also the swelling of Al Qaeda's ranks as a direct result of the Iraq war. There's a lot more to be feared than Voter Fraud.

-=Lohrno

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » October 25, 2004, 3:13 pm

Winnow wrote:
Voronwë wrote:in the daily run from the issues (as opposed to running ON them), the GOP has finally scraped the bottom of the barrel with ridiculous things to feign outrage about.
You can't seriously think the democrats are any better. Their whole strategy to cause paranoia about voter fraud when none is happening (and if it does will be happening on both sides) is equally lame.

yes that is why news organization had to sue the State of Florida in Federal court to get the list of names they were purging from voter rolls. and there were like 40,000 african american names on that list of names and like 90 latinos.

hmmm amazing coincidence.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » October 25, 2004, 3:14 pm

What a joke... no... literally. I'm sure she was just joking, sound like something I would say to be funny in a passing conversation. I have no problem with it.

Marb

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » October 25, 2004, 4:39 pm

OMG I CANT BELIEVE SHE SAID THAT!!

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » October 25, 2004, 4:40 pm

Marbus wrote:What a joke... no... literally. I'm sure she was just joking, sound like something I would say to be funny in a passing conversation. I have no problem with it.

Marb

Well you have to admit it's not worse than Cheney saying there will be an attack if Bush isn't elected...

-=Lohrno

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » October 25, 2004, 4:42 pm

seriously though, the republicans are going to start playing interviews with the Dem candidates wives backwards soon, this is getting so ridiculous.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » October 25, 2004, 5:14 pm

i think Elizabeth Edwards stole those 380 million lbs of conventional munitions in Iraq.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » October 25, 2004, 5:30 pm

Rekaar. wrote:http://www.drudgereport.com/dncee.htm

The wife of Dem vice presidential hopeful John Edwards said on Sunday there will be no riots around the election -- if Kerry/Edwards wins!

C-SPAN cameras captured spouse Elizabeth Edwards making the startling comments to a supporter during a Kerry Campaign Town Hall Meeting in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.

Supporter: Kerry's going to take PA.

Liz Edwards: I know that.

Supporter: I'm just worried there's going to be riots afterwards.

Liz Edwards: Uh.....well...not if we win.

...

Are you guys getting that desperate that you have to try to bash the future president's running mate's wife?

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » October 25, 2004, 5:44 pm

Maybe you didn't get it, nor follow the link, but she's admitting it's the Democratic supporters that pose the threat to the peace.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » October 25, 2004, 5:59 pm

to label that a stretch is an insult to nylons taut around the ass of 500 lb transvestites.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » October 25, 2004, 7:52 pm

Rek, you're not that stupid.

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » October 25, 2004, 8:44 pm

Don't sell him short.

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » October 25, 2004, 8:48 pm

Alright I'll bite. You tell me what she's saying.

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » October 25, 2004, 8:57 pm

She is saying that if the Dems win:

1. people will be hugely relieved that a bible thumping lunatic is no longer trying to bring about rapture in teh middle east, so no one will riot in the fear of 4 more years of Bush.

2. people will trust the results of the election, or at least trust that Bush was unble to keep enough minorities off the ballot to secure a victory. Thus there will be no reason for people to riot in anger of teh election being rigged. (of course, the real solution to this trust issue is UN observers).

etc. The message is that Bush is evil (true) and Bush is a liar and a cheat (true). Thus, if Kerry wins that means Bush lost and the people with a legitimate fear of what he would do to our country will no longer have a reason to be as fearful (at least not until Kerry proves to be just as corrupt and incompetent).

She is not suggesting that there are armies of Democrats waiting to carry out their planned riot and that only a Kerry victory will result in such riots being cancelled (as the always fair an balanced Drugde is trying to suggest).

Burke · Post by **Burke** » October 26, 2004, 11:29 am

Why would there be any riots, Bush is a Uniter!

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » October 26, 2004, 11:47 am

OMG! Did she really say "uh"? That's like, so uncouth.

miir · Post by **miir** » October 26, 2004, 11:57 am

Toshira wrote:OMG! Did she really say "uh"? That's like, so uncouth.

Uh... who'd wanna be a couth anyway?

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » October 26, 2004, 1:04 pm

You say that like you think the Rapture will be such a bad thing, dar.

As for Bush being evil, he's no more inately evil than you or I. You may disagree with his choices, but that doesn't necessarily makehim an evil person. It's not our place to judge how good or how bad a person is, only based on his or her actions - which, even now, are still open for debate on how you percieve them and the context they were in.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » October 26, 2004, 1:10 pm

Akaran, I've gotta call that one. Human beings can judge the actions of another human being good or evil. We judge Hitler to be evil because of the atrocities that he signed off on. We judge Ted Bundy to be evil because of the murders he committed. That's a judgement by human beings. So Midnyte can judge Clinton to be evil, and so Dar can judge Bush to be evil.

"I'm sorry, Hitler. I disagree with your choices. That doesn't make you evil." BS. We've judged him, just like we judge every other figure in history. Neo-Nazis perceive Hitler's behavior to be good and just. That doesn't mean the majority of the world cannot see those actions for the evil it was. And so it can fall to any individual to make judgements in history. If Dar thinks Bush is evil, he's entitled to his opinion. Doesn't make it right or wrong, just his opinion.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » October 26, 2004, 1:18 pm

Again, it's all a matter of perception.
There is no 'good' or 'bad' in history. For every "Good guy" there is a "bad guy", who is, more often than not, the loser. It boils down to the age old question and context: if you kill someone, does it make you evil? Depends on the why you did it. If you feel your life was in peril, then you feel you were justified and that you are the good guy in the situation - but I doubt the family of the person you killed thinks so highly of you.

People do Bad Things, but it is not our right to judge them good or evil - we can judge them against if they broke a law or not, yes, but that isn't the same thing.

Neo-Nazis perceive Hitler's behavior to be good and just. That doesn't mean the majority of the world cannot see those actions for the evil it was.

Again, perception. It ISN'T hard to say, yeah, he was an evil son of a bitch. Nazis will disagree. Midnyte can call Clinton evil, and people will disagree. Dar can call Bush evil, and people will disagree. But is anyone actually right - morally - in saying "Yes, this person has an evil soul" or "This person is evil". Answer? Probably not - it is not our place to judge these things.

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » October 26, 2004, 2:00 pm

It is our place to judge these things to the best of our ability, and historically we base those judgments on the teachings of the Bible (not necessarily based on the philosophies derived and twisted from it).

If you look back through history you can find many examples of this. There has to be a standard, and the Bible has always been it for Western culture.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · October 26, 2004, 2:13 pm

Marbus wrote:What a joke... no... literally. I'm sure she was just joking, sound like something I would say to be funny in a passing conversation. I have no problem with it.

Marb

It's a very tasteless joke. A girl died a day before for partaking in such stupid activities.

You should be outraged. You should be pissed off you have a candidate trying to scare people into voting for them. Telling cripples they will walk again in four years....saying there will be rioting if they lose? It's irresponsible.

You and the rest had no problem bashing Cheney when he stated a fact that our country will be weaker and more vulnerable to terror attacks if Kerry is elected. Look at his record in the Senate over the last 20 years and you can come to no other conclusion.

On the other hand, show me the proof for such bullshit accusations and claims that there will be rioting and crippled people will walk again? Look at the medical research and you will see they have had 0% progress in using stem cells or anything else to regenerate the spinal cord. Zero progress. Zero.

miir · Post by **miir** » October 26, 2004, 2:38 pm

You and the rest had no problem bashing Cheney when he stated a fact that our country will be weaker and more vulnerable to terror attacks if Kerry is elected. Look at his record in the Senate over the last 20 years and you can come to no other conclusion.

What name have you given to the little fantasy world that you live in, Midnyte?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · October 26, 2004, 2:42 pm

miir wrote:
You and the rest had no problem bashing Cheney when he stated a fact that our country will be weaker and more vulnerable to terror attacks if Kerry is elected. Look at his record in the Senate over the last 20 years and you can come to no other conclusion.
What name have you given to the little fantasy world that you live in, Midnyte?

It's called REALITY. Little hint for ya....you can't get it at Best Buy, EB, Circuit City, etc.

Kargyle · Post by **Kargyle** » October 26, 2004, 2:46 pm

No offense, but you know about as much about reality as I do about ancient mesopatamian history. (Which is nothing, just to be clear)

miir · Post by **miir** » October 26, 2004, 2:47 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
miir wrote:
You and the rest had no problem bashing Cheney when he stated a fact that our country will be weaker and more vulnerable to terror attacks if Kerry is elected. Look at his record in the Senate over the last 20 years and you can come to no other conclusion.
What name have you given to the little fantasy world that you live in, Midnyte?
It's called REALITY

Is that what you tell your therapist?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · October 26, 2004, 2:49 pm

miir wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
miir wrote:
You and the rest had no problem bashing Cheney when he stated a fact that our country will be weaker and more vulnerable to terror attacks if Kerry is elected. Look at his record in the Senate over the last 20 years and you can come to no other conclusion.
What name have you given to the little fantasy world that you live in, Midnyte?
It's called REALITY
Is that what you tell your therapist?

Ummm no. See, in reality, therapists are for the dilluted. The weak minded people who refuse or are simply unable to handle the pressures of.......REALITY!

miir · Post by **miir** » October 26, 2004, 2:53 pm

Ok, here's some reverse midnyte logic.

Since Bush has deemed that the insurgent forces in Iraq are 'terrorists'... and america is an occupying force in Iraq providing government and security... wouldn't all the american casualties in Iraq be a direct result of terrorist attacks on the US'?

That would mean that under the presidency of George W Bush, more americans have lost their lives in terrorist attacks than EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT COMBINED!!!!?

Since Dubya was president at the time of the 9/11 attacks, can we also say that his administration's weakness on terrorism has resulted in the deaths of over FOUR THOUSAND Americans!!!!!!

Burke · Post by **Burke** » October 26, 2004, 2:54 pm

therapists are for the dilluted

heh, you certainly aren't watered down, just reconstituted.

miir · Post by **miir** » October 26, 2004, 2:55 pm

Burke wrote:
therapists are for the dilluted
heh, you certainly aren't watered down, just reconstituted.

Since humans are 90% water, wouldn't it be near impossible to dillute them?

Tenuvil · Post by **Tenuvil** » October 26, 2004, 3:16 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:...therapists are for the dilluted

You mean deluded?

Fucktard.

noel · Post by **noel** » October 26, 2004, 3:18 pm

Tenuvil wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:...therapists are for the dilluted
You mean deluded?

Fucktard.

I hate to post a one-liner and run, but...

ROFL!

Avestan · Post by **Avestan** » October 26, 2004, 3:18 pm

Voronwë wrote:in the daily run from the issues (as opposed to running ON them), the GOP has finally scraped the bottom of the barrel with ridiculous things to feign outrage about.

As opposed to the NY Times running a story about explosives that most likely disappeared before we ever arrived in Iraq and making it sound like they were stolen a week ago?

Wonderful journalism there.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » October 26, 2004, 3:26 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Marbus wrote:What a joke... no... literally. I'm sure she was just joking, sound like something I would say to be funny in a passing conversation. I have no problem with it.

Marb
It's a very tasteless joke. A girl died a day before for partaking in such stupid activities.

You should be outraged. You should be pissed off you have a candidate trying to scare people into voting for them. Telling cripples they will walk again in four years....saying there will be rioting if they lose? It's irresponsible.

You and the rest had no problem bashing Cheney when he stated a fact that our country will be weaker and more vulnerable to terror attacks if Kerry is elected. Look at his record in the Senate over the last 20 years and you can come to no other conclusion.

On the other hand, show me the proof for such bullshit accusations and claims that there will be rioting and crippled people will walk again? Look at the medical research and you will see they have had 0% progress in using stem cells or anything else to regenerate the spinal cord. Zero progress. Zero.

Midnyte did you read the article? She didn't say it to a big group, she said it to one person in passing and the camera just "happend" to overhear it. It was a passing comment not presented to a group of people as political fact as what Cheney tried to do. Speaking of Cheney, if you go back and look many of the things you are referring to about Kerry's recored were either promoted or voted for by Cheney as well. But where did you get the stuff about spinal cord and people walking, I don't see anything about that... Of all the wives around the White House Elizabeth Edwards seem to be the most "real" of all of them. She's not a billionare, she didn't kill anyone... she's just doing what she can to help her husband get elected. The exploitation of something said off camera is ridiculas. However just like Cheney's daughter, the fact that she is out on the trail opens her up for attack I guess.

And being a former therapist let me fill you in on something else as well, you are wrong about only people who can't handle reality needing to go to therapist. I will give you a big resounding YES that there are many whiners out there that don't need therapy and others who go just because they are lonley and want someone to talk to. But there are REAL issues that no person needs to try and cope with alone. When they try to go it alone, that is when the problems arise... a prime example is Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, the ignorance in treatment of that particular illness cost many people their lives and/or lively hood after Veitnam. Sometimes people experiences things that you nor I can ever fully understand, and frankly I really don't want to, treating those people you are coaching a Jr.High football team is not only pathetic but also a detrament to society.

Marb

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » October 26, 2004, 4:06 pm

You're preaching to the choir, Akaran. I never said I judged. Your own president that you support in this election has taken it upon himself to decide what is evil and what is good. "Axis of Evil", anyone? Don't you find it disturbing that the shole determiner of evil in our world is a man who can't pronounce nuclear?

Scares me.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » October 26, 2004, 4:08 pm

Quote me once that I said I supported Bush.
Just because i'm a republican doesn't mean I can't dislike the current president or wish we had someone more qualified to vote for.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » October 26, 2004, 4:32 pm

From what I've seen Akaran has always posted as either undecided or considering all options. There are a number of people on this board or are moderates from each camp, both democrat and republican, who dislike Bush but don't hate the other party. IMHO it's those that fell off either side of the political spectrum that cause the true problems in this country.

Marb

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » October 26, 2004, 4:43 pm

Rekaar. wrote:If you look back through history you can find many examples of this. There has to be a standard, and the Bible has always been it for Western culture.

Especially in Athens and Rome

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » October 26, 2004, 5:53 pm

Requesting a rephrase of your last sentance Marb.
The way I'm reading is is if we're not fro or not against either party, we're part of the major problems here?

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » October 26, 2004, 6:00 pm

He is saying the hippies (far far left) and jesus freaks (far far right) are the problem. The folks in the middle are ok.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » October 26, 2004, 6:02 pm

Akaran_D wrote:Requesting a rephrase of your last sentance Marb.
The way I'm reading is is if we're not fro or not against either party, we're part of the major problems here?

Are you truly undecided this year or have you already determined "the lesser of two evils" in your mind?

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » October 26, 2004, 6:06 pm

Truly undecided.
If it wasn't for 20 min breaks between class and the hour or so it takes me to unwind from when I come home from work, I wouldn't be able to hit the boards at all.

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » October 26, 2004, 6:44 pm

Voronwë wrote:
Rekaar. wrote:If you look back through history you can find many examples of this. There has to be a standard, and the Bible has always been it for Western culture.
Especially in Athens and Rome

dork =p

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » October 26, 2004, 7:08 pm

Akaran, Dar summarized exactly what I was trying to say.

In the first part I was pointing out that many people here on the board aren't either of those extremes but more in the middle with the ability to see the pros and cons from both sides. IMHO that is where the successful leader for this country will come from in the future... I don't see Kerry as that person in this election but he is taking that stance, we will see if he holds to that. Bush tried to paint the a similar picture 4 years ago but slightly on the otherside. We now know, IMO, that was not the truth, everything his administration does points otherwise. I just hope Kerry can do a little better.

Personally I'm looking for a Conservative Democrat or a Liberal Republican to help this country heal. Sadly such a person would get support from neither camp right now. Who knows though, maybe I can run in 2012 or 2016 and set things straight

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » October 26, 2004, 7:17 pm

Rekaar wrote:dork =p

Would you care to dispute his point?

Additionally, throughout much of post-Jesus history, western civilization has not represented the pinnacle of humanity militarily, artistically, socially, or politically. I could say that "throughout much of the middle east, that standard has been the Qu'ran," and it would be just as meaningful as your statement.

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