Jihad This!

Valgul · Post by **Valgul** » October 24, 2002, 2:44 pm

Fairweather:
The *gasing* of americans as sea was not a lethal dose and use to test if the ship could be maintained in chemical suits. This is far different from what Iraq was trying to do, even you must agree. Iraq was trying to kill the kurds.
As far as *gasing* civilians, once again, this was not lethal doses and meant to test weather patterns.
It was only later stated, according to the article, that the small doses of gas were found to be harmful. As stated, the goal was not to kill civilians. Iraq's goal is quite clear, to kill the kurds.

But, then again, what else can we expect form the Kennedy-Johnson era. During Nixon's era, the legislation was signed stopping all testing.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » October 24, 2002, 3:03 pm

I'm pretty dissappointed in how much apathy the US shows when it comes to the crimes our own government commits. Especially when people are so GI Joe when it crimes that other countires commit and are broadcast on television inbetween MTV and Friends. Americans truely are becoming the populace that inhabited George Orwell's 1984. Apathetic to our own government and fanatical in damning others.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 24, 2002, 3:10 pm

Fallanthas wrote:
We have. They have not.

You're a fucking asstard.

Yeah, the middle east hates the US because you are so god damn great and they are so crappy. Also, would you like to buy some stock in Enron?

Valgul · Post by **Valgul** » October 24, 2002, 3:25 pm

The root of the question fair is: is it a crime to test weather patterns of gas? The INTENT was not to kill U.S. citizens. Iraq's INTENT ws the kill the kurds.
I am sure that there are attornies working on cases against the government for those harmed in these releases. Please show me a attornee in Iraq working on behalf of the kurds? One that is still alive that is!
Is the U.S. perfect? No. Do we make mistakes? Sure. Are we a dictatorship? Nope. People are free to say whatever they want to say in this counrty. Even against the junior senator from New York.
Sec, there is a knock at the door........

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » October 24, 2002, 3:38 pm

You know I'm not hearing alternate solutions here from the Kyo crowd.

If you think bush's idea stinks then tell us how you'd handle it.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » October 24, 2002, 3:49 pm

Adex I wouldn't speak for anyone else, but I'd be willing to guess the consensus is that WE shouldn't handle it.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » October 24, 2002, 3:55 pm

Then shut up and let Bush do his job. =)

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » October 24, 2002, 3:58 pm

You know there's allways one guy out of 10 with a solution and 9 other that tell him how it won't work.

There should be a rule in life that says for every two problems you find in something you must come up with an alternative.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 24, 2002, 3:59 pm

We as in everyone. Get your military bases out of their fucking countries and stay out of their fucking business and they will care less what you do.

The whole "they hate us because they're jealous of our freedom and liberty" is such a crass line of bullshit that I am frankly shocked that even a texan would fall for it.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » October 24, 2002, 4:01 pm

Don't put that assumption on me Kyo.

I've never said such.

What I do say is its not an easy problem to solve and I want to hear some alternatives from people instead of the statis quo whining.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » October 24, 2002, 4:12 pm

Adex, I don't have all the answers, I never claimed to.

However, I do know for a fact that our involvement is only going to cause more hatred towards the US, which in turn will only bring about more terrorism.

Don't be so snappy to demand answers to global problems, when your suggestion is to mind your own business and let the president have free reign over the peoples of the world.

I agree, this is a sticky situation...and I understand your paranoia about being attacked with a nuclear warhead. You feel that hasty, forceful actions are the only thing that will save us. I feel that they will cause even more (and potentially much larger) problems in the future. Is there an alternative? I'm sure there is, in this world of infinite possibilities...what are they? I don't know yet...you can bet your ass if I, or anyone else had all the answers, we'd be out there executing those plans and not working 9 to 5's communicating on a message board with our friends.

Don't be naive my friend.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » October 24, 2002, 4:15 pm

if the US wants to pay me a couple hundred grand and then hook me up with some kickass 'good ole boy' consultantships upon completion of the task, i will happily and patriotically devote 72 hours a week to doing my best to figuring out solutions to this and other problems facing our nation.

Elect me on November 2nd!

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » October 24, 2002, 4:24 pm

However, I do know for a fact that our involvement is only going to cause more hatred towards the US, which in turn will only bring about more terrorism.

It doesn't matter what we do they'll find a way to hate us. We're too different a culture.

Don't be so snappy to demand answers to global problems, when your suggestion is to mind your own business and let the president have free reign over the peoples of the world.

That's not my suggestion. And that's not what Bush is proposing.

I understand your paranoia about being attack with a nuclear warhead.

Sorry man I'm far from paranoia. I've simply learned that Saddam doesn't respond to diplomacy. It is time for action.

Don't be naive my friend.

The naive person is the one who thinks that after TEN YEARS of diplomacy being slammed back into our face, that more diplomacy is the answer.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » October 24, 2002, 4:25 pm

Oh yea I forgot to throw in a

NEENER NEENER NEENER!

Truant · Post by **Truant** » October 24, 2002, 4:28 pm

right...well i guess that settles that

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » October 24, 2002, 4:30 pm

Wulfran wrote:
Now in saying that I hope it does not come to force but if it should I will not shed one tear for Iraq and its ppl they elected him by a 100% Margin.
Someone else read the 100% of the population turned out and 100% voted for Saddam BS

Come on Cart, you don't believe that shit any more than the rest of us do you?

But I read it and it was on the news

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » October 24, 2002, 4:33 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote:Yeah, the middle east hates the US because you are so god damn great and they are so crappy. Also, would you like to buy some stock in Enron?

I would start slamming Canada as much as you slam the US, but that would imply that I cared about Canada in the first place. So carry on with your US bashing, it's what haters do best! I can't blame you, if I were a Canadian, I would probably hate on the US too...

I guess I can only hope that one day Canada does something to piss the US off so we can go ahead and claim that chunk of pathetic iceburg as the 51st state....joking btw.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 24, 2002, 4:36 pm

how is that a slam on the US? what the fuck is wrong with you people?

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » October 24, 2002, 4:38 pm

In all honesty I would like to hear some alternative suggestions.

The CNN folk say push the UN hard core.
Bush folk say wait a week and go to war.
Xyun says we need to concede to the demands(stop supporting Israel, move troops out of Saudi, etc.) of the terrorists and they'll stop bombing us.

What else?
What other options?
an honest request

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » October 24, 2002, 4:48 pm

Ok. I am hardcore Republican as you all know by now. I say one thing, yea we need to take Iraq out without UN permission. But Deep in my bones I know what needs to be done in reality. We need UN approval, and that's just that. I hate that we do, but, the Pres must at least semi agree as well or he would have gone in already. I suspect the paperwork will be shuffled around and edited long enough for all UN countries to agree to what steps need to be taken, I don't see them doing nothing this go round. I think the US may be bluffing to raise the stakes, would be pretty disastrous to say the least if we go it alone.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 24, 2002, 5:04 pm

So how was my post a slam on the US again? This is about the 4th time this month I have been accused of this by people too stupid to argue with me properly when I haven't said anything negative about the US in general.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » October 24, 2002, 5:05 pm

Xyun says we need to concede to the demands(stop supporting Israel, move troops out of Saudi, etc.) of the terrorists and they'll stop bombing us.

I really hope this is a misunderstanding. Anyone who could take this position has no clue as to personal or religious motivations in this conflict.

You want a solution?

1. Oust Hussein.
2. Draw a line down the gaza and turn it into a DMZ patrolled by neutral forces, Israelis on one side, Palestine on the other. I don't care if it's the Swedes as long as it's someone without a stake in the Israel/Palestinian conflict. No contact across that line for ten years, only limited and supervised cultural exchange.
3. Accept the fact that regional conflict is a way of life in the middle east. Stay the hell out until U.S. assets or trade are directly affected.
4. Send Kyoukan and Xyun to Iraq as ambassadors of peace, dressed in simple robes and carrying the religious icon of their choice.

Ok, so maybe the fourth doesn't promote peace, but at least we wouldn't have to listen to childish, idealistic bullshit on every foreign policy topic anymore.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » October 24, 2002, 5:07 pm

Kyo,

You didn't read it right.

YOU didn't slam the US for ten years. Saddam slammed US diplomacy for 10 years by booting out the UN inspectors which were the only peaceful way to make sure he didn't have nukes.

Xanupox · Post by **Xanupox** » October 24, 2002, 5:08 pm

With all the debate here we all seem to forget the first rule of journalism in the "free world", and that is it is fixed on what our nations leaders deem as 'reportable' for the good will of the Nations best intrests.

If you can drop the "hearsay" of what you THINK you know, and just look at the unbias facts of the matter.. it turns out to be more than quite simple on what needs to be done.

1) Iraq is being ran by a madman, who has his own nation in such terror of him they will not even cast a SINGLE vote against him in a "free popuplar election".

2) These same people that all "voted" a referendum on thier "presidential leader", were the same people that were slaughtered and gassed to death by him years earlier... these people are severely supressed!

3) Saddam invaded a peaceful neighboring country 12 years ago, for the sole purpose of "oil". Sending thousands to die and slaughtering innocents for control of black gold, is what the table was set upon with his invasion.

4) The WORLD responded to this atrocity by forming a coalition of nations, with various religions and eithnic backgrounds... they all bonded for the sole purpose to stop this "evil".

5) The evil was driven back out of the invaded lands, but it was not destroyed... it was spared.. a mistake that we live with today, that faces our worlds decision makers to this very minute and sparks this debate.

6) The time has exceeded for the world or the USA to "prove" anything in regards to attacking this man and the people that would stand behind him. This man, Saddam MUST provide to the WORLD that he does NOT have the means to endanger them, that he no longer desires the lofty ambitions that drove him to invade Kuwait, that he no longer desires to punish his own people.

7) Until Saddam can 100% undoubtably PROVE to the world, and the USA that he is a harmless "freely elected leader" .. then he is considered a VERY DANGEROUS and unstable entity residing on this planet that must be dealt with in whatever way, effectivly eliminates him from the global threat spectrum, that he currently plays within.

If Saddam cannot prove he is harmless, then he will be made harmless. The time for us showing he is a dangerous man, is quite and utterly over.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » October 24, 2002, 5:10 pm

Fall, I wouldn't respond to my characterization of Xyun's position. I'm sure he could state his case with better words.

Let Xyun restate his stance and go from there.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 24, 2002, 5:15 pm

Wow, a plan for stability in the middle east involving a DMZ down the middle of gaza strip and an accusastion of me being childish and idealistic all in one post. The maximum level of stupid has been reached.

Because surely the best plan for peace in the middle east is more foreign powers intervening in their shit. Wow, you are really fucking dumb. I mean, I have definitely seen a lot of dumb on this board, but that really takes the cake. You are quite possibly the stupidest mother fucker I've ever had the displeasure of talking to.

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » October 24, 2002, 5:25 pm

Well kyoukan usually when you offend and try to belittle someone in an arguement and/or discussion, you generally lose all validity and no one cares what you say cause they just stop listening. You may have a valid arguement or an intelligent point, but flaming someone only does one thing and its 9 times out of 10 results in you losing even if you are right.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » October 24, 2002, 5:34 pm

We need to understand that Saddam is using us to control his people. Our trade embargos and such are wrecking a terrible price on the Iraqi population. We are not hurting those in power, we are hurting the common folk.

1. Lift any and all trade embargos involving medical aid.

2. Send in the UN inspectors with unconditional cooperation. If UN inspectors are not allowed into a facility, notify Iraq that that facility will be destroyed. Plain and simple.

3. Let the heat die down.

4. Develope and incorporate a larger network of spies and plant insiders into the Iraqi populace/government over the next 5 years so we always know what's going on.

5. If Saddam is still a wild card, assasinate him and the known follow-up leaders. There is no need to punish the entire country and kill hundreds of thousands all over again because we do not like Sadddam or the way he runs his country.

6. Cut defence spending my 1/3rd and develope our educational system, fix our infrastructure, and improve the average standard of living.

7. Cut corporate welfare by 75% and pass 1/2 the savings towards the national debt, the other 1/2 in tax breaks to the working class. (Corporate welfare is 4x what we pay for our citizen welfare.)

8. Grant more power to the states, and less money to the federal government.

9. Shut down any and all programs that the federal government is involved in where it dosen't need to be.

10. Get rid of NAFTA and penelize every corporation that has shut down factories in the US and moved them to Mexico.

11. Make it known to the world that we will be spending the next 10 years focusing and improving our own country above all others.

12. Outlaw death penelty.

13. Legalize pot.

14. Get rid of the drinking age entirely.

15. Legalize abortion.

16. Make the price of gun ammunition unbelievably high, except for shooting ranges.

17. Seperate violent and non-violent offenders in prisons.

18. Change health care system to not-for-profit. Try to do the same for educational system.

Well, I kinda got off subject at the end there, but that was just off the top of my head. We have a long way to go.

Algrinon Stormbringer · October 24, 2002, 5:58 pm

Haha! My 2 cents!

We WILL do Iraq with OR without the sissyfaction UN libs. I don't really care what the World Super Power of Belize (or France for that matter) has to say in the UN. So the rest of the world just better get over it. The Iraqi people, given the chance, would skull fuck Saddam themselves if they could. However, they cannot, so we will. Yippie! I was in the gulf war and I will be there for this one too. I just hope they let me push the big red button

What is so funny about this thread is how everyone loves bashing America. GTF out of this country and yada yada yada. Hell, I am all for it, just make sure we take the goold ol American Greenback with us and FREE the America Tax Payer from funding these pip-squeek wannabe pimples.

I would much rather just nuke them all and get it all out of the way but it will never happen. People are more concerned about bringing down the US instead of trying to come up to a higher level. Food for Oil is a perfect example. Saddam could have bought food, but no, he built palaces and mobile chemical weapon facilities. That is why Iraqis starve, not UN sanctions.

Same thing in Afganastan. Warlords walk around like it is 300AD. Hello, it is 2002 and we have toilets that flush! There are two very different cultures and something will give. The beliefs of Islam repress inovation and do not allow free thought (Although Saudis do enjoy Mercedes Benz (I have been there and know this)) Don't believe me? What has the University of Pakistan produced to impove the brotherhood of man? If there was no oil in the middle east this all would be moot anyways.

If Usama bin Laden Skyhook had his way there would be no EQ, NOW THAT WOULD BE A BITCH. Yes, all you women out there could run to the local Ali Bi al Saleem Superstore (Formerly known as Walmart) and pick up your choice of burka in any color: Black, Black, or Black. Hey. don't bother learning to read girls, it is forbidden. Women will remain stupid, pregnant, and barefoot on a cold stone floor in a kitchen cooking pita bread. Don't believe me? Watch CNN, they always have it right,right?

And me, I get to grow a beard and they take away deordernt. YIPPIE! Hey, at least I can carry a 1970s Russian Rifle, or maybe an RPG, or WAIT! If I am really lucky, they will let me strap on a bomb and I can go blow myself up and kill innocent men, women, and children. Yeah. Thats what I wanna do.

In the end it s like this:

There is NO ONE who can mess with the US when we decide we have had enough. Unfortunately, as a previous poster noted, it is almost like 1984. We will have to take a much greater hit before we get pissed and end the problem. AND YOU KNOW THIS.... MAN!

Don't worry world, we are Americans. You can slam us all you want and we will still defend you. We may march to a different drummer, but when the shit hits the fan, where does the world turn? It turns to America. Just ask the French.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » October 24, 2002, 6:12 pm

Lift any and all trade embargos involving medical aid.

Umm, yeah. You are aware that Hussein was busted a month ago by the national press for diverting charitable funds sent to Iraq for food and medical supplies to his own pernal bank account?

You can't do jack with him in power.

Kyo,

Get a goddamned clue. You obviously have no idea of the deep-set cultural hatred between Palestine and Israel. That conflict has been going on for a millenium. Nothing short of separating them forcibly is ever going to allow peace. I was being very generous at ten years. Probably take more like three generations.

Do yourself a favor and learn something about the people you profess to be saving against the evil U.S. before you open that spittle hole of yours.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » October 24, 2002, 7:15 pm

Jesus Fair....you should have Democrat tattooed on your head. A couple of the points I may agree with.....those that involve us fixing our shit that is broke and let the rest of the damn world fucking starve to death. On a tangent, I think we should buy every person who is dissatisfied with the way we handle foreign affairs a one way plane or boat ticket to the destination of their choice. Have fun where ever the hell you want to go....but you aren't needed here.

And while I am ranting today...I want to bring up another load of horseshit that is currently pissing me off. Same sex marriage...what a fucking joke. Let me spell this out to you liberal fucksticks in a way you can understand it. Dick was designed to be in pussy. Pussy was designed to have dick in it. Dick will fit in other places, but it was designed for pussy. Men were made to partner with women. Women were made to partner with men. You can stick your dick into a variety of places, but you can't hide the fact that you were designed to partner with the oposite sex. I could stick my dick into a watermelon, but that sure as fuck should not give me the rights to get tax breaks and benefits because I try to tell you I am married to it.

That is all.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 24, 2002, 7:58 pm

Fallanthas wrote:Get a goddamned clue. You obviously have no idea of the deep-set cultural hatred between Palestine and Israel. That conflict has been going on for a millenium. Nothing short of separating them forcibly is ever going to allow peace. I was being very generous at ten years. Probably take more like three generations.

Yes because your white line down the middle of gaza with jews on one side and muslims on the other is so much more fucking practical. Stupid fucking shithead that you are.

hi sylvos.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » October 24, 2002, 8:03 pm

Kilmoll......that was beautiful.

On a side note, I would like to hear Kyoukans thoughts on how to solve this situation. She only seems to flame everyone elses opinion on what should be done. I won't flame, I just want to know what's on your mind. Seriously.

Xanupox · Post by **Xanupox** » October 24, 2002, 8:17 pm

Is it just me seeing this... or is Kyoukan just a LITTLE BIT, out of it's league with this discussion?

Yeah thought so.

Take my advice Ky and stick to the incestuale flaming of your "superiors", coupled with the sucking of shaven goat sacks, it leaves a much more impressionable look on your cyber fucked face.

Yes, Saddam will be removed unless he 110% complies by allowing UN or US "inspectors" into his country with a "See it all, clean it all" type of authority. What that means, is if they fine ANYTHING they feel is unappropriate, then wax it, right then and there... +BOOM+.

If that fails to happen, then the 5 divisions of M1A2 Abrams main battle tanks will surely make some BOOMS, as they roll up the Tigres and Euphraites rivers blasting thier way from Kuwait City to Bahgdad.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » October 24, 2002, 8:36 pm

Fairweather: Out of the people on this board that I never knew in-game, you're my favorite.

Regarding voter turnout, specifically in the 18-24 age bracket: I, and a number of my friends, plan specifically on not voting in the upcoming elections. This is not apathy, rather, it is a planned political stance to protest the lack of real choice in the elections. The power should belong to the people as a whole, not to the rich, and thus I make a specific, conscious decision not to vote.

Regarding the concept that people who disagree with US foreign policy can just leave: This is what I like to call "bullshit." By the act of thinking about our foreign policy, taking a logically calculated stance, and expressing that stance, I am performing an act of patriotism. One who blindly accepts United States foreign policy is no patriot, just as is one who blindly denies United States foreign policy. Our government was designed to be participatory, not oligarchical, and thus it is the responsibility of every true Patriot to consider and opine upon as many of our governments actions as is possible.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 24, 2002, 8:50 pm

Sueven wrote:The power should belong to the people as a whole, not to the rich, and thus I make a specific, conscious decision not to vote

You can always do a write in ballot. Write in Xanupox's name!

48 Hours reports 23,093 write-in ballots with votes for a fictitional Everquest Character named Xanupox El'Ninjapox running on the "Steamroll Iraq" platform.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 24, 2002, 9:07 pm

Xanupox wrote:Is it just me seeing this... or is Kyoukan just a LITTLE BIT, out of it's league with this discussion?

Man. This thread just gets fucking funnier. Xan you are out of your league in a discussion about which Teletubby is the coolest. You are first class fucking bupkiss in absolutely every category. You are stupid, you are a pathological liar (elite air force sniper rofl), and you are completely deluded. Your perceptions of things and what reality is is so completely fucking out of whack that I am surprised you are not in a mental institution (I am of course assuming that you are not posting from a mental institution).

And it's the Tigris and the Euphrates, Mr. Not Out of His League.

My incredibly complex foreign policy entails a lot of leaving countries that want to be left alone the fuck alone. This includes not building military bases on land considered to be holy land and not lobbing cruise missiles into cities.

Xanupox · Post by **Xanupox** » October 24, 2002, 9:19 pm

Ignorance is bliss on your part is'nt it.

I am happy for you that your argument has fallen to the point of attempting to point out others typo's... that is the bottom of the barrel as you would know.

Sorry, but your time is up... you suck. K thx. Bye.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » October 24, 2002, 9:34 pm

leaving countries that want to be left alone the fuck alone

Yeah, it's worked wonders in the Middle East for the last 900 years or so.

Who the fuck are you again?

Algrinon Stormbringer · October 24, 2002, 9:57 pm

When has the middle east ever been "Stable"?

Heh

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » October 24, 2002, 10:04 pm

Just when I'm thinking up a witty retort, THIS pops into my head: /boggle

I once knew a man with no clothes,
he had hair that grew down to his toes,

He'd wrap his hair, around his bare
and down the road he goes.

-Shiel Silverstein

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 24, 2002, 11:14 pm

I don't give a fuck how stable it is. Leave them alone and let them self-destruct if that's what they want. It's not your country to fuck around in.

Think back to when the middle east started fucking with the west. Especially the US. Make the fucking connection as to why. MASSIVE HINT: It wasn't because they all of a sudden collectively got jealous of your freedom.

I wasn't making fun of a type xanusniper. I was making fun of a spelling error, because you can't even fucking spell something in the same post where you are saying that I am out of your league. There is a difference between a spelling error and a typo, much like there is a difference between a 711 clerk and a secretly trained covert-ops air force assassin.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » October 24, 2002, 11:33 pm

well the reason we can't let them self destruct is our economy's life blood is petroleum.

and since there are about 700 Oil Reserves in the Middle East and less than 50 in the US, Canada, and Mexico combined (source: Wall St Journal article last week), it really isn't an option for us to be laissez-faire about it.

That doesn't justify whatever course of action we deam financially optimal, but it prevents us from not being involved in stabilizing the region.

sure for long term, we need to stop suckling that petrochemical teet, but legislation encouraging that certainly isn't going to see the light of day until 2006 at the earliest.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 24, 2002, 11:43 pm

I don't disagree, but I certainly don't think the oil would stop flowing. It is in the middle easts best interests to make sure soccer moms have a full tank of 96 octane in their bloated oversized SUV of doom. Islamic people arent adverse to making money.

Although when I am overqueen of north america, phase 2 of my plan would be to dump a whole fucking assload into alternative energy research. The government in the west is typically dragging their asses on it because huge fossil fuel energy companies are making sure they drag their asses on it. Eventually the world is going to run out of fossil fuels; especially crude oil. In fact it will probably be in my lifetime where shortages start to appear and major reserves start to dry out. It will definitely be in my lifetime if major energy corporations get their way and keep the status quo of selling as much crude as they can.

I would love to have an alternative to burning fossil fuels in vehicles and most machinery. It would be great to stiff the fucking shit out of the middle east oil barons and huge oil companies out of their only source of income. A lot of alternative energy sources could be produced and manufactured right in north america, so not only would it be cleaner but it would create tens or even hundreds of thousands of new jobs, instead of all that money going to sultans in Saudi Arabia and corrupt governments in Venezuala.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » October 24, 2002, 11:59 pm

Along with theme I say we should be buying just as much Russian oil as we can. Those guys could use a cash influx.

BTW some of the largest research dollars spent towards alternative energy sources are funded by guess who? Energy companies!

Just as soon as a new energy is feasible they want to be first to market it.

Such things keep me happily employed too!

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » October 25, 2002, 12:01 am

I really hope this is a misunderstanding. Anyone who could take this position has no clue as to personal or religious motivations in this conflict.

Fallanthas you are the most fucking moronic person I have yet to come across on these boards. I have no clue about the personal or religious motivations of the conflict?

You are the clueless one. You have no idea who I am, where I'm from, or why I say the things I do. Personal convictions? My father was executed in Iran for believing in something that went against the current regime, hmm, and it was fucking religion.

Maybe I say these things because I have a better view of the situation then you? Have you ever been to the middle east? I was born and raised there. Do you know what it is like to live in fear of your life every fucking day, either from invaders or from your own fucking government? Do you have any idea how the people there live and go about their lives?

It was so bad that my family, almost my entire family had to flee the country. I have relatives in US and Canada and 6 European nations. You on the other hand, were born and raised in the US, have no fucking clue about the situation, and repeat every fucking thing you hear on your beloved news programs.

I'm an American now and I love the US. That's why it bothers me so much to see so many Americans lose sight of what this country is supposed to be, what it has stood for in the past. The word freedom itself has become a slave of politicians. They bat it back and forth like a fucking tetherball, juicing it for all its worth.

I don't claim to have an answer, but I KNOW that an invasion in the middle east right now would definitely cause much more terrorism in the world. Anyone with half a brain should see that. What I don't want is more terrorism.

I take my freedom seriously and you take it for granted. I realize that we are only a small portion of the world and there are many many more people out there. You don't give a shit about those people and want to use all the power and might (which your ancestors fought and died for) for anything that fits your whimsy, not fucking realizing that YOU TOO may lose it all.

There is a small part of me that really hopes Bush goes at this without the consent of the rest of the world, continue to flail his cock about mercilessly. Saddam went about it this way. Hitler went about it this way. Maybe then you fucktards will realize the scope of the situation, that it could very well lead to a world war.

Adex, your comment on "no matter what we do they will still hate us" tells me a lot about you. You never question yourself or your government, and nothing I say is going to change that, as apparent in your comment.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » October 25, 2002, 12:07 am

Actually it shows you how little a messageboard reveals of a person.

My boss is came to the states after losing his home in Lebanon due to a push of Palestinian refugees.

He and I have had long discussions on the middle east and he's given me very clear insights of what's going on down there.

My design team as school whom I spend copious hours working on projects with include Jordanian and Pakastani muslim. Those fellas are quick with their opinions as well.

I've heard a lot, and I maintain that cultural differences alone will cause islamic fundamentalists to despise the US no matter what do.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » October 25, 2002, 12:07 am

Was you father a Bahá'í Xyun? I had a roomate into that from Senagal.

:edit Phear my extended ASCII skill

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » October 25, 2002, 12:10 am

Do yourself a favor and learn something about the people you profess to be saving against the evil U.S. before you open that spittle hole of yours.

ahhahahahah omfg!

Fallanthas you are grade-A, top of the line.

You must have some college degrees in the subjects of foreign politics, psychology, and .. and.. non-fiction writing! Don't lie to me, I know you are l33t.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » October 25, 2002, 12:13 am

no, my father was an athiest.

VeeshanVault

Jihad This!

Such efforts

hmm

Re: hmm

yeah