Putin says Vote Bush!

[Marbus]

Guess he feel that if Kerry gets in he won't have any good excuses to cancel democracy in Russia!

http://us.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/10/ ... index.html

MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin says terrorist attacks in Iraq are aimed at preventing the re-election of U.S. President George W. Bush and that a Bush defeat "could lead to the spread of terrorism to other parts of the world."

Putin, speaking Central Asian Cooperation Organization summit in Tajikistan Monday, made his most overt comments of support so far for the re-election of Bush for a second term.

"Any unbiased observer understands that attacks of international terrorist organizations in Iraq, especially nowadays, are targeted not only and not so much against the international coalition as against President Bush," Putin said.

"International terrorists have set as their goal inflicting the maximum damage to Bush, to prevent his election to a second term.

"If they succeed in doing that, they will celebrate a victory over America and over the entire anti-terror coalition," Putin said.

"In that case, this would give an additional impulse to international terrorists and to their activities, and could lead to the spread of terrorism to other parts of the world."

Putin noted that American voters will not decide the election just on Iraq.

"Because of this we must take a realistic approach and be prepared for any development of events," he said. "We respect any choice the American people will make."

President Putin made it clear Russia remained opposed to the war in Iraq.

"Today, our views on that differ from the views of President Bush," he said

The problem is that he is sorely mistaken, the terroris WANT Bush in the White House because it will continue to deteorate American's relations with other countries and make their cause seem more just...

Marb

[Animalor]

Guess he feel that if Kerry gets in he won't have any good excuses to cancel democracy in Russia!

http://us.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/10/ ... index.html

MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin says terrorist attacks in Iraq are aimed at preventing the re-election of U.S. President George W. Bush and that a Bush defeat "could lead to the spread of terrorism to other parts of the world."

Putin, speaking Central Asian Cooperation Organization summit in Tajikistan Monday, made his most overt comments of support so far for the re-election of Bush for a second term.

"Any unbiased observer understands that attacks of international terrorist organizations in Iraq, especially nowadays, are targeted not only and not so much against the international coalition as against President Bush," Putin said.

"International terrorists have set as their goal inflicting the maximum damage to Bush, to prevent his election to a second term.

"If they succeed in doing that, they will celebrate a victory over America and over the entire anti-terror coalition," Putin said.

"In that case, this would give an additional impulse to international terrorists and to their activities, and could lead to the spread of terrorism to other parts of the world."

Putin noted that American voters will not decide the election just on Iraq.

"Because of this we must take a realistic approach and be prepared for any development of events," he said. "We respect any choice the American people will make."

President Putin made it clear Russia remained opposed to the war in Iraq.

"Today, our views on that differ from the views of President Bush," he said

The problem is that he is sorely mistaken, the terroris WANT Bush in the White House because it will continue to deteorate American's relations with other countries and make their cause seem more just...

Marb

A wholehearted endorsement, from one totalitarian governement to another.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Your view on that seems a touch distorted. The terrorists will become a lot more powerful when they are being battled and instead ignored like Kerry will do.

They can amass great wealth when not being held down by war and things like the Patriot Act.

You really need to stop listening to the spindoctors.

[Winnow]

The problem is that he is sorely mistaken, the terroris WANT Bush in the White House because it will continue to deteorate American's relations with other countries and make their cause seem more just...

Marb

Well there's a new spin. The terrorists want to keep getting their asses kicked by Bush instead of having Kerry take office and wait for the terrorists to attack us again before doing anything. Yeah...I believe that one! Any way you slice it, both negative and positive for americans themselves, terrorists don't want Bush in the White house. With a second term president in office, he won't have to worry about sucking up to anyone for reelection for the next four years. I'm sure joe terrorist can't wait.

Bush's bribes for getting into office are paid off or just need to be renewed. Kerry has a whole set of new people to repay if he gets into office. We don't need the confusion during this time of crisis.

[Marbus]

Are you guys just totally fuckin' stupid? I'm sorry I'm usually nice but do you REALLY believe that Kerry ISN'T going to continue the War on Terror? WTF have you been smokin'? No president in the forseeable future will be able to not focus on it. To that end Kerry has stated numerous times that is exactly what he is going to do. Kerry, like any politician wants another 4 years if he gets elected. To do that he MUST protect this country, that's a given. How he dose it compared to Bush is the issue...

Marb

[Winnow]

Kerry, like any politician wants another 4 years if he gets elected. To do that he MUST protect this country, that's a given. How he dose it compared to Bush is the issue...

Marb

Yes, his method will definately be different. He will wait for us to be attacked and then ask the U.N if it's ok for us send the terrorists in a strongly worded letter asking them to stop.

That's what I've summarized as his stance after listening to the many different stances he's had. I suppose you can keep listening and eventually you hear a version you like coming out of his mouth but only until he says something else again. On top of that, he'll most likely draft your children to fill up the extra two divisions he's planning for our military.

Sounds great!
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I have no confidence in Kerry's intentions. Bush, on the other hand, is very clear about his strategies and focus. Kerry's campaign is almost entirely built on negativity at this moment and outright lies about the draft and social security among other things. My decision is easy with a candidate like Kerry as my other choice.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Are you guys just totally fuckin' stupid? I'm sorry I'm usually nice but do you REALLY believe that Kerry ISN'T going to continue the War on Terror? WTF have you been smokin'? No president in the forseeable future will be able to not focus on it. To that end Kerry has stated numerous times that is exactly what he is going to do. Kerry, like any politician wants another 4 years if he gets elected. To do that he MUST protect this country, that's a given. How he dose it compared to Bush is the issue...

Marb

''We have to get back to the place we were, where terrorists are not the focus of our lives, but they're a nuisance,'' the article states as the Massachusetts senator's reply.

''As a former law enforcement person, I know we're never going to end prostitution. We're never going to end illegal gambling. But we're going to reduce it, organized crime, to a level where it isn't on the rise. It isn't threatening people's lives every day, and fundamentally, it's something that you continue to fight, but it's not threatening the fabric of your life.''

[Chidoro]

And? Sounds as if he's living in the real world as opposed to bizarro world where terrorists are stamped out once and for all. While that would be terrific, it's still bizarro world.

And Bush can say some odd figure like 75% of Al-Qaeda's forces have been killed, I'm sure he's taking into account the tons of recruits whom are now apart of their ranks. Yeah, we're a lot safer today

[archeiron]

Bush seems to be working from the assumption that we can kill all of the terrorists. There is massive historical precedence to show that this isn't true; in fact, the American Revolutionary War is a great example. Anti-American terrorists cannot be completely eliminated in a world where the actions of US encourage more hatred of the US, and thus create more terrorists.

[noel]

Title of thread should be changed to: Putin says, "Send more aid money!"

[Winnow]

Bush seems to be working from the assumption that we can kill all of the terrorists. There is massive historical precedence to show that this isn't true; in fact, the American Revolutionary War is a great example. Anti-American terrorists cannot be completely eliminated in a world where the actions of US encourage more hatred of the US, and thus create more terrorists.

Bush knows this. He knows "winning" the war on terror isn't defined by total victory but if/when he says that, Kerry jumps on him and makes it headlines so, per election year lameness, both candidates will be saying, "we will win the war on terror". The difference being Bush knows this is a different kind of war but Kerry is blindly saying he will win the war and makes it a negative smear compaign when Bush tries to give a more defined answer.

Verdict: Kerry's fault

[Mawafu]

Not posting this as fact, but maybe someone can help find it. I could have sworn I read or heard on the news that al Qaeda/bin Laden wants Bush out of the White House.

[archeiron]

Not posting this as fact, but maybe someone can help find it. I could have sworn I read or heard on the news that al Qaeda/bin Laden wants Bush out of the White House.

Based upon the fact that Osama bin Laden has been in hiding, I would venture that any such "news" would be purely speculative. There is equally valid speculation supporting the notion that Al Qaeda want Bush in power and that they want him out; it depends upon the level of Machiavellian thinking that one attributes to those organizations, and how much one believes they are following American politics under their current circumstances.

[Kelshara]

Your view on that seems a touch distorted. The terrorists will become a lot more powerful when they are being battled and instead ignored like Kerry will do.

They can amass great wealth when not being held down by war and things like the Patriot Act.

You really need to stop listening to the spindoctors.

Uh why? The terrorists don't even need to hit the US anymore. Bush takes care of their job for them. The fearmongering, the limitations of freedoms.. the changing of American lives. It is exactly what the terrorists wanted to achieve. You are handing them their victory.

But keep up the good work! We don't want to overwork those poor terrorists now, do we?

Bush, on the other hand, is very clear about his strategies and focus.

Yeah he is. If there isn't a reason to attack a country we can make one up! Cowboy up! Let's roll!

''We have to get back to the place we were, where terrorists are not the focus of our lives, but they're a nuisance,'' the article states as the Massachusetts senator's reply.

''As a former law enforcement person, I know we're never going to end prostitution. We're never going to end illegal gambling. But we're going to reduce it, organized crime, to a level where it isn't on the rise. It isn't threatening people's lives every day, and fundamentally, it's something that you continue to fight, but it's not threatening the fabric of your life.''

You don't get it do you? The only way to win over terrorism is to not let it change your life! Tell them a big "fuck you" and go about your life as usual. You can NOT win the war on terror with a military force. Not in a hundred years. But what am I thinking.. I'm trying to tell this to someone who wont even go to a large city because he is so affraid of terrorist attacks.

[Zaelath]

Kerry, like any politician wants another 4 years if he gets elected. To do that he MUST protect this country, that's a given. How he dose it compared to Bush is the issue...

Marb

Yes, his method will definately be different. He will wait for us to be attacked and then ask the U.N if it's ok for us send the terrorists in a strongly worded letter asking them to stop.

That's what I've summarized as his stance after listening to the many different stances he's had. I suppose you can keep listening and eventually you hear a version you like coming out of his mouth but only until he says something else again. On top of that, he'll most likely draft your children to fill up the extra two divisions he's planning for our military.

Sounds great!
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I have no confidence in Kerry's intentions. Bush, on the other hand, is very clear about his strategies and focus. Kerry's campaign is almost entirely built on negativity at this moment and outright lies about the draft and social security among other things. My decision is easy with a candidate like Kerry as my other choice.

Mmmmmmm yeah. So tell me, Mr Oracle, exactly how would Bush react if China pre-emptively struck against, oh I dunno, Taiwan?

Taiwan know the Chinese want them, it's reasonable to assume they're building some arsenal to defend themselves, best attack them now before some cowboy decides the best defense is a good offense.

[Boogahz]

Mmmmmmm yeah. So tell me, Mr Oracle, exactly how would Bush react if China pre-emptively struck against, oh I dunno, Taiwan?

Taiwan know the Chinese want them, it's reasonable to assume they're building some arsenal to defend themselves, best attack them now before some cowboy decides the best defense is a good offense.

Um, Taiwan is not an independent state. They WANT to be independent. At least that's what I have learned from the news.



Also (and not related to the quote obviously), I am wondering where these bits of information come from saying that everyone is afraid...I don't know anyone who is. I don't know anyone that would cancel a trip (or not plan one) to a large city for fear of an attack. Do I think Bush is to thank for that? Nope, I think that 9/11 was a wake-up call for everyone. Sure the government should have been more aware before/during/& after the attacks, but there are also regular people like me that should have recognized things that weren't right with those that were planning the attacks. Some of those regular people reported things, and I am sure some of them talked to other regular people around them. The breakdown came from all over.

[Kelshara]

In 1895, military defeat forced China to cede Taiwan to Japan. Taiwan reverted to Chinese control after World War II. Following the Communist victory on the mainland in 1949, 2 million Nationalists fled to Taiwan and established a government using the 1946 constitution drawn up for all of China. Over the next five decades, the ruling authorities gradually democratized and incorporated the native population within the governing structure. In 2000, Taiwan underwent its first peaceful transfer of power from the Nationalist to the Democratic Progressive Party. Throughout this period, the island prospered and became one of East Asia's economic "Tigers." The dominant political issues continue to be the relationship between Taiwan and China - specifically the question of eventual unification - as well as domestic political and economic reform.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/fac ... os/tw.html

[Winnow]

Mmmmmmm yeah. So tell me, Mr Oracle, exactly how would Bush react if China pre-emptively struck against, oh I dunno, Taiwan?

Preempt the preempt? WTF!

He'd kick some ass! No one out preempts the United States!

[Sirton]

Taiwan gov't byfar supports republican governments in the US, becasue they believe that Republicans will back them up against China and Democrats will try to avoid it.. Goto the UN and not get anything done and just say sorry!

This can be looked up and I also have many Taiwan friends.

[Kelgar]

Taiwan gov't byfar supports republican governments in the US, becasue they believe that Republicans will back them up against China and Democrats will try to avoid it.. Goto the UN and not get anything done and just say sorry!

This can be looked up and I also have many Taiwan friends.

More talking out of your ass again. Surprise surprise. The guy with the l33t Whitehouse insider info indeed! Taiwan's leaders don't support Republicans so much as they hate Jimmy Carter for going with the 1 China policy.

I also wouldn't make a big hype over their official government positions either. With the issue of Japan's rearmament coming up, many think Chen Sui Bian is a fucktard for throwing his support behind a country which never apologized for its war crimes. Japan often plays the victim card and bemoans having their asses handed to them on the atomic platter as though it somehow mitigates or defers attention from their own atrocities. Fuckers even have a shrine built to their 1000+ war criminals who were executed for their WWII crimes in China.

As far as your "Taiwan friends" who support Repukes, it has more to do with taxes than any political stance. Your "friends" come from a country where 80+% of the population pays between 6 and 13% of their income in taxes. Most of the Taiwanese Chinese are single issue voters guided by their pocket books. Also, any dipshit with half a brain knows that the corporate owned Republicans in bed with cheap Chinese labor and are no more likely than the Democrats to deliver on promises to defend the country should the mainland be stupid enough to try such a stunt.

[Zaelath]

Mmmmmmm yeah. So tell me, Mr Oracle, exactly how would Bush react if China pre-emptively struck against, oh I dunno, Taiwan?

Taiwan know the Chinese want them, it's reasonable to assume they're building some arsenal to defend themselves, best attack them now before some cowboy decides the best defense is a good offense.

Um, Taiwan is not an independent state. They WANT to be independent. At least that's what I have learned from the news.

Well.. that's not my point, in fact it's pretty moot. Pick any other two countries in the world where the US doesn't publically support the agressor's political system. Say Russia pre-emptively attacked those shifty Finish bastards, there must be some reason they spend all that time stuffing fish into jars.

[Chidoro]

Taiwan gov't byfar supports republican governments in the US, becasue they believe that Republicans will back them up against China and Democrats will try to avoid it.. Goto the UN and not get anything done and just say sorry!

This can be looked up and I also have many Taiwan friends.

Actually, while we aim to support Taiwan if they were attacked or provoked, the admin promotes a "One China" policy and is very much against them gaining independence from China.

[Bubba Grizz]

I've come to the conclusion that everyone on this board, including me, is talking out their ass. How can we presume to know what the terrorists are thinking or what the government is truly thinking and doing. All we see is what is on the surface. Unless someone on this board is an actual elected official such as a senator or rep or governor, they can't claim to "Know" shit. But it makes for good reading on a boring day at work.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

I've come to the conclusion that everyone on this board, including me, is talking out their ass. How can we presume to know what the terrorists are thinking or what the government is truly thinking and doing. All we see is what is on the surface. Unless someone on this board is an actual elected official such as a senator or rep or governor, they can't claim to "Know" shit. But it makes for good reading on a boring day at work.

I nominate this post for best post of the year.

[Voronwë]

In the next Russian election, the Russians will get to vote for who will be the American president, instead of being bothered with the more mundane matters of who will govern Russia.

[Sirton]

As far as your "Taiwan friends" who support Repukes, it has more to do with taxes than any political stance. Your "friends" come from a country where 80+% of the population pays between 6 and 13% of their income in taxes. Most of the Taiwanese Chinese are single issue voters guided by their pocket books. Also, any dipshit with half a brain knows that the corporate owned Republicans in bed with cheap Chinese labor and are no more likely than the Democrats to deliver on promises to defend the country should the mainland be stupid enough to try such a stunt.

Thanks for speaking for them even though you have no clue who they are. They were Kerry supporters actually till they went to Taiwan. Also that world poll some of ya like to point how hated Bush is.....umm I think Taiwan was one of the few countries that liked him, so it looks like you are talking out of your ass like all of us.

[Laliana]

so it looks like you are talking out of your ass like all of us.

ROFL

[masteen]

In communist Russia, president picks YOU!

[Voronwë]

I saw this amazing interview by this reporter named Borat from Kazhakstan TV news.

Borat: My friend is running for office and would like you to vote for him.
Borat: If you vote for him, you will have very good year.
Voter: I'm sorry?
Borat: If you do not vote for him... (breaks pencil)

[Bubba Grizz]

so it looks like you are talking out of your ass like all of us.

ROFL

[Kelgar]

umm I think Taiwan was one of the few countries that liked him

There's your problem again: confusing thinking and talking out of your ass. As with the rest of the general population of the world, the average citizen of Taiwan thinks that Bush is a fucking retard and warmonger. Newsflash for you Mr. L33t Whitehouse infoz/lotsa "friends" from a_foreign_country_09; I'm Chinese, half of my family tree are blind KMT partisans, and I've been working in Taiwan for the past 2 years.

Needless to say, you know jack and shit about what people here think.

[Kelgar]

On a side note:

I don't give a shit who your friends are. They certainly do not represent what the majority of Taiwan's population thinks and projecting their opinion to = Taiwan's is what makes you such a jackass.

[Rekaar.]

Much rage from Kelgar in an otherwise lighthearted thread! Man you could use a chuckle.