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All of us know some little fact or another about a product that either prevents us from buying it or enlightens us to the REAL effects of it. For example, a couple years ago I went on a quest to find out the truth about cosmetic ingredients, what they really do, which ones are helpful, which ones are harmful and found out a ton of scientific information to help me make better buying decisions. Arundel shared some information he learned in his parasitology class one day in IRC which was pretty eye opening (and very gross!).

So, my question to you is what do you know that could help everyone become a more enlightened consumer? I'm sure there are websites out there devoted to this kind of thing, but its always more absorbable this way :) I'd like to learn more about the products I buy, so please share!

Some of the big things I've learned over the last couple years:

* You can't get rid of wrinkles without boxtox or surgery. These creams that are sold are merely moisturizers that temporarily plump the skin.

* Soap is bad for the skin because of its pH. Liquid "soaps" are not really soaps but detergents. They are typically lower in pH, so better for your skin. Low pH products dry the skin.

* Contrary to what I've always thought, frozen and canned vegetables usually have more vitamins than fresh. The reason why is most frozen and canned veggies are packaged immediately after picking, whereas fresh veggies usually spend 2 weeks sitting around and being transported before they end up in your supermarket. This means heavy vitamin depletion, while freezing/canning locks the vitamins in. Course I still prefer the taste of fresh veggies and canned veggies usually have too much sodium.
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Lalanae wrote:* Contrary to what I've always thought, frozen and canned vegetables usually have more vitamins than fresh. The reason why is most frozen and canned veggies are packaged immediately after picking, whereas fresh veggies usually spend 2 weeks sitting around and being transported before they end up in your supermarket. This means heavy vitamin depletion, while freezing/canning locks the vitamins in.
I would like to see a source on this including formal scientific studies. Not to question you, Lalanae, but I simply can't believe that frozen vegetables that have in most cases been either parboiled or blanched prior to freezing are higher in vitamin content than fresh produce.

Curiously enough, a couple years ago when I was doing an audit of Pictsweet Corp, a frozen food company, the IT director was strenuously arguing this point with me so this is not the first time I've heard it.
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Theres lots of articles on the net if you do a search. In a couple seconds of looking I found these that reference it. Also, blanching doesn't strip vitamins from veggies. Only when you boil them for a certain period of time do you lose them

http://www.millennium-debate.org/tel31mar032.htm

http://msucares.com/news/print/fcenews/ ... 10820.html

http://www.vitaminresearch.com/health_n ... eggie.html
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Gatorade/Powerade isn't much better for you than any kind of soda since they are still just sucrose(sugar) in water which still requires massive production of insulin to neutralize.
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Soda is mainly worse for you because of the carbonation and caffeine. The sports drinks don't contain those ingredients.


As for soaps, they do make certain soaps that are much better for your skin. They smell like shit though....but they don't dry out your skin like most soaps on the market.
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Heres an easy one:

- Diet pills (non presciption) don't work and pray on the American love of being lazy and be thin at the same time. Fat people don't want to work so they ironically tirelessly search for a way to be thin without having to exercise. They'll spend 10 hour searching and reading up on pills and buy a 40-100 dollar bottle of these pills. Its funny cause the 10 hours they were searching for the easy way out could have been spent exercising or learning about a better diet.

- Iced Tea, Lemonade, all these alternate drinks for kids have just as much and sometimes more sugar than Soda, yet all these parents send their kids off to school thinking they're looking out for their kids. Simply put, get your kids to learn to love water!
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One of my favorites is:

"Fad diets" like the current Atkins / South Beach low carb craze fool your body into short-term weight loss through biochemical trickery. The only proven safe long term way to lose weight and keep it off is behaviour modification, increasing exercise levels and decreasing calorie intake. If calories in < calories out, you will lose weight. Guaranteed. Like Rivera said, people are inherently lazy and want to find shortcuts for everything.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Soda is mainly worse for you because of the carbonation and caffeine. The sports drinks don't contain those ingredients.
so tell me about carbonation. wasn't aware that carbonation could be bad (unless it makes you gassy :P)
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what lalanae said about fresh stuff is true, it normally sits around a few days before it gets shipped out, i work in the seafood department at a grocery store while it isn't as long as time there the production date could be one day shipped the next ... and then i get it on the 3rd day normally while things that are flash frozen at sea are "fresher" then the unfrozen fish.
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"Fad diets" like the current Atkins / South Beach low carb craze fool your body into short-term weight loss through biochemical trickery. The only proven safe long term way to lose weight and keep it off is behaviour modification, increasing exercise levels and decreasing calorie intake. If calories in < calories out, you will lose weight. Guaranteed. Like Rivera said, people are inherently lazy and want to find shortcuts for everything.
Bullpuckey!

I did the South Beach diet for 6 months...I lost 65 lbs. The South Beach diet is not really a low carb diet...it is almost like a diabetic diet...reducing the amount of sugars and refined carbohydrates like white flour and such which converts to sugar.

South Beach Diet has an initial phase where you eliminate virtually all carbohydrates for two weeks in order to get your blood chemistry back on track just as you would if you were on a diabetic diet. After the initial Phase 1 high protein/low carb diet...you begin to re-introduce "good" carbs back into your diet...whole grains (whole grain breads, pastas, etc.) and good fruits (apples, peaches, strawberries, any berry for that matter, plums, pears, etc.).

I chose to eat healthy proteins opting for fish (low mercury fish in general) and free range chicken, turkey and the occasional beef steak and bison (big around here). I also like my pasta and eat Whole Wheat pasta...not that nasty "low carb" pasta or rice or soy pastas.

I used the healthy eating habits (NOT low carb....but GOOD carb) that I learned in the months I was on South Beach Diet to modify my eating habits. I still eat healthy...and I was excercising before...still am...but before I modified my eating habits the exercise did not do much for me as my eating habits were atrocious to say the least.

I did a lot of research before doing the South Beach Diet...and I am keeping the weight off and have not felt this good in a very long time. Believe me, I am NOT a dieter...and aside from the first month or so of getting used to eating better...it was not that hard at all. I do not feel deprived of anything and I always feel satisfied after I eat. I would highly advise agains a low carb diet like Atkins however. I know the Atkins people modified their diet after Dr. Atkins died...but many people on Atkins are eating HIGH FAT /Low Carb. I know someone that lost tons of weight on Atkins...eating eggs, bacon, sausage, steaks...every day. His cholesterol is near 300...mine is 105.

Oh, I prefer fresh vegetable over frozen and canned (although I do have an unnatural fondness for Leseur Baby Peas in the silver can!) :)

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Rivera Bladestrike wrote: Fat people don't want to work so they ironically tirelessly search for a way to be thin without having to exercise. They'll spend 10 hour searching and reading up on pills and buy a 40-100 dollar bottle of these pills. Its funny cause the 10 hours they were searching for the easy way out could have been spent exercising or learning about a better diet.
That's a pretty ignorant statement.
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Chidoro wrote:
Rivera Bladestrike wrote: Fat people don't want to work so they ironically tirelessly search for a way to be thin without having to exercise. They'll spend 10 hour searching and reading up on pills and buy a 40-100 dollar bottle of these pills. Its funny cause the 10 hours they were searching for the easy way out could have been spent exercising or learning about a better diet.
That's a pretty ignorant statement.
i watch them go around on the little motor carts at work because they are too lazy to walk because its too much work
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Chidoro wrote:
Rivera Bladestrike wrote: Fat people don't want to work so they ironically tirelessly search for a way to be thin without having to exercise. They'll spend 10 hour searching and reading up on pills and buy a 40-100 dollar bottle of these pills. Its funny cause the 10 hours they were searching for the easy way out could have been spent exercising or learning about a better diet.
That's a pretty ignorant statement.
Its not really ignorant when I have personal experience in the matter. Except I got off my ass and luckily my metabolism was able to change with my behavioral change and I lost 50 pounds in no time and got to the ideal weight for my height / build.
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Drasta wrote:
Chidoro wrote:
Rivera Bladestrike wrote: Fat people don't want to work so they ironically tirelessly search for a way to be thin without having to exercise. They'll spend 10 hour searching and reading up on pills and buy a 40-100 dollar bottle of these pills. Its funny cause the 10 hours they were searching for the easy way out could have been spent exercising or learning about a better diet.
That's a pretty ignorant statement.
i watch them go around on the little motor carts at work because they are too lazy to walk because its too much work
I watch them take the elevator when I take the stairs or drive around the parking lot 50 times looking for a close spot when I pull into a far spot and walk. There's half your excercise in day to day things that actually save you time to boot.
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I like being overweight because my gas smells worse than those eating healthy. I'll always have the upper hand.

Do you know what aroma a Cinnamon Roll, Scrambled Eggs, a bisquit and gravy, 5 hershey kisses, 3 NuGrapes, a small sausage pizza, a chocolate chip cookie and a Glass of Tang smell like? No? Well the folks on my row at work do.

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ewww someone get seebs a cork :vv_goatse:
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Drasta wrote:
Chidoro wrote:
Rivera Bladestrike wrote: Fat people don't want to work so they ironically tirelessly search for a way to be thin without having to exercise. They'll spend 10 hour searching and reading up on pills and buy a 40-100 dollar bottle of these pills. Its funny cause the 10 hours they were searching for the easy way out could have been spent exercising or learning about a better diet.
That's a pretty ignorant statement.
i watch them go around on the little motor carts at work because they are too lazy to walk because its too much work
Yes, them, they, those people over there
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Rivera Bladestrike wrote:
Chidoro wrote:
Rivera Bladestrike wrote: Fat people don't want to work so they ironically tirelessly search for a way to be thin without having to exercise. They'll spend 10 hour searching and reading up on pills and buy a 40-100 dollar bottle of these pills. Its funny cause the 10 hours they were searching for the easy way out could have been spent exercising or learning about a better diet.
That's a pretty ignorant statement.
Its not really ignorant when I have personal experience in the matter. Except I got off my ass and luckily my metabolism was able to change with my behavioral change and I lost 50 pounds in no time and got to the ideal weight for my height / build.
Then you don't have a single clue as to what differentiates the people who make up the human race.
I congratulate you on your loss btw, that's an excellent and life changing achievement. However, just because you lost weight following a certain program, does not mean that program works for everyone. And it sure as hell doesn't mean that they don't follow dietary programs that are healthy and sound.

That's why you are ignorant. You think that what works for you should work for everyone and if you don't w/ regards to your guidlines, you are now a "lazy" fat person. Ignorant. Fucking Ignorant
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Chidoro wrote:
Rivera Bladestrike wrote:
Chidoro wrote:
Rivera Bladestrike wrote: Fat people don't want to work so they ironically tirelessly search for a way to be thin without having to exercise. They'll spend 10 hour searching and reading up on pills and buy a 40-100 dollar bottle of these pills. Its funny cause the 10 hours they were searching for the easy way out could have been spent exercising or learning about a better diet.
That's a pretty ignorant statement.
Its not really ignorant when I have personal experience in the matter. Except I got off my ass and luckily my metabolism was able to change with my behavioral change and I lost 50 pounds in no time and got to the ideal weight for my height / build.
Then you don't have a single clue as to what differentiates the people who make up the human race.
I congratulate you on your loss btw, that's an excellent and life changing achievement. However, just because you lost weight following a certain program, does not mean that program works for everyone. And it sure as hell doesn't mean that they don't follow dietary programs that are healthy and sound.

That's why you are ignorant. You think that what works for you should work for everyone and if you don't w/ regards to your guidlines, you are now a "lazy" fat person. Ignorant. Fucking Ignorant
Fuck your "ignorant" shit motherfucker. Increasing caloric output through exercise and decreasing caloric intake equals weight loss. Or maybe your physiology and metabolism somehow doesn't conform to the human norm? Are you a freak? Or just a fat fuck who fits in the category Rivera first outlined?

Shut the fuck up fuckwad and go ride a fucking bike.
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soda that is dark colors stains your teeth like coffee/tea....

the hot sauces from taco bell, can clean a penny...a dirty one...i tried it, it really will take off all that dirt, and make it somewhat shiny, think bout that sauce NOW, before you pour it on that taco/burrito...

drinking green tea, like from Sobe,which i drink... is good for you, teas period can boost your immune system...careful though, green teas boosts your metabolism too, i've heard...

on a girly note..

clinque has this facial cleanser, in a purple bottle, can't remember the name... anyways, it's a HARSH astirigent, i've always experienced really bad results with clinque period...it's horrid for your skin too..




as for diets...

i knew someone who tried that atkins diet, it came off, and then as soon as she stopped doing it, it was back. She's on Weight Watchers now, lost 150 pounds, looks great. I think it's a better method, you have points...you have limitations...
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Tenuvil wrote:
Fuck your "ignorant" shit motherfucker. Increasing caloric output through exercise and decreasing caloric intake equals weight loss. Or maybe your physiology and metabolism somehow doesn't conform to the human norm? Are you a freak? Or just a fat fuck who fits in the category Rivera first outlined?

Shut the fuck up fuckwad and go ride a fucking bike.
Very nice Tenuvil! I didn't know you had that kind of flamage in you! :twisted:
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Winnow wrote:Very nice Tenuvil! I didn't know you had that kind of flamage in you! :twisted:
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I base a lot of my purchases in the grocery store and other places around how much thier advertising annoys me. It sounds petty but I can't really help it. If I see a particularly annoying or obnoxious ad, I will make a point to not purchase that product any longer.
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Two things:

1) Had a friend a few years back who's father-in-law was in the dairy business. You know how they milk the cows at a lot of these factory farms? They have these metal mechanical pumps that they attach to the udders, and these pumps are lined with rubber to make it more comfortable for the cow.

As you can imagine, over time, the friction from this rubber against the skin and the moist environment cause chaffing, and the cow begins to bleed into the milk, discoloring it.

Now, it's perfectly safe, since they pasteurize everything, but this discolored milk can't be sold as normal white milk, so guess what? They add chocolate to mask the discoloration and voila! Chocolate milk.


2) Don't buy Spaghettios with meatballs, or anything with canned pre-cooked meatballs in it, for that matter. That is all.
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Um... I just had some before reading this, care to explain why? heh
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rat droppings probably.

its the same with canned chilli.
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Rivera Bladestrike wrote:Um... I just had some before reading this, care to explain why? heh
Taenia saginata

Also known as the "beef tapeworm", this monstrous helminthe can grow upwards of 25 feet long in the intestines of your typical bovine, with most infected cattle having a high worm burden of several worms. Estimated at least one out of every ten livestock cattle in the US (and the rest of the world, for that matter) are infected - mostly due to cramped and crowded conditions at factory farms.

Gravid segments of T. saginata pump out eggs at a surpising rate - to the tune of thousands per day. These eggs pass in the feces and out onto the grass that other cattle eat. Unlike eggs of most other worms, insects or what have you, parasites such as Taenia are usually a little more hardy. These eggs consist of a fully formed tapeworm scolex encased in a tough cyst to prevent dessication.

Now, you would think that ingestion of these eggs leads directly to a new worm in the stomach of another animal - not so. Taenia has a two stage life cycle. Upon ingestion, these eggs pass through the stomach and hatch in the small intestine, where the larvae penetrate the intestinal wall and enter the circulatory system. Eventually, these larvae settle in the tight capillary beds around skeletal muscle tissues (particulary loins, ribs, shoulders) and encapsulate into cysts known as cysticerci. A few worms will remain in the small intestine, to maintain the reservoir host and continue infection in the cattle.

The function of these cysts is for the worm larvae to lie dormant until the tissue of the animal is consumed because you see, cattle are not the terminal host - predators are. A single infected cow can have literaly thousands upon thousands of cysticerci embedded in its muscle tissues. Each of these cysts is about the size of a BB, and contains a mature tapeworm scolex.

When cattle are butchered, it becomes immediately apparent that they have a Taenia infection. You can see the cysts in the tissue - dozens of the things per cut of meat. Such a cut can obviously never be sold as steak or stew meat, because who would buy it with all of these BB-sized cysts of fluid?

So guess what...its sold to companies who pre-cook the meat and can it. The cooking that these companies do ensures the death of the cyst, and denaturing of pretty much all the tapeworm's genetic proteins, so it's totally safe for consumption. Most of the time, the meat is ground up to the point where you'd never even see a cyst.

However, get a can of that sirloin burger soup or some spaghettios with meatballs or the like. Have you ever been eating one of those meatballs and come across a little spherical thing about the size of a BB?
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No, I can't say that I have, but now I am very angry that you have spoiled my ignorance of such horrifying creatures. Especially in such detail!
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kyoukan wrote:I base a lot of my purchases in the grocery store and other places around how much thier advertising annoys me. It sounds petty but I can't really help it. If I see a particularly annoying or obnoxious ad, I will make a point to not purchase that product any longer.
I agree with Kyo.

I will NEVER step into Old Navy stores for example.
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Oh dear lord. Empowerment is scary.
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Arundel Pajo wrote:
Rivera Bladestrike wrote:Um... I just had some before reading this, care to explain why? heh
Taenia saginata


So guess what...its sold to companies who pre-cook the meat and can it. The cooking that these companies do ensures the death of the cyst, and denaturing of pretty much all the tapeworm's genetic proteins, so it's totally safe for consumption. Most of the time, the meat is ground up to the point where you'd never even see a cyst.
Well, it's totally safe for cunsumption, so what's wrong with that can of Spaghetti O's? Your not actually going to get a Taenia infection from eating it, and people put much worse things in their mouth every day. I dunno, I'm one of those people where if I found out that rat tastes like filet mignon, (and assuming it was safe to eat) I'd be snacking on some rat right now. Then again, I have an iron stomach, and laugh at the people that do Fear Factor and freak out because they have to eat a roach or something... I guess it breaks down to the old saying "It all in your head."
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Dregor Thule wrote:Oh dear lord. Empowerment is scary.
oh noz.

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Tenuvil wrote:
Fuck your "ignorant" shit motherfucker. Increasing caloric output through exercise and decreasing caloric intake equals weight loss. Or maybe your physiology and metabolism somehow doesn't conform to the human norm? Are you a freak? Or just a fat fuck who fits in the category Rivera first outlined?

Shut the fuck up fuckwad and go ride a fucking bike.
Wow, who is the simplton here.
Newflash, you eat less, and you're metabolism slows down.
Your body regulates that transition and it's largely genetic.
Some people can go through life, eat far less than someone else with identical levels of physical activity and still never really lose any weight. It was something passed down from our ancestors to help in times of feast and famine. Now that there is food surplus, some people's bodies haven't adjusted along with this change.

So read the multitude of fucking articles that have been in magazines from national geographic to us news and world report just this past year.

Wow, it must feel shitty to be so stupid, not sure how you make it through the day. :lol:
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So let me get this straight...if you eat less, your metabolism slows down, and you don't lose weight. Wow I had it all wrong! Guess every fucking athlete I ever met is wrong too.

News flash asshole, when you restrict food intake your metabolism doesn't slow down to the point where you stop losing weight. And exercise, especially aerobic exercise, increases metabolic rate. Every single person I've ever known that reduced food intake and increased aerobic exercise, and stuck to it for at least three months, lost weight and got fitter. Every single one. I personally know five people that lost a total of 300 pounds over the past year this way. One of those people just did Lance Armstrong's Ride for the Roses and feels better than they have in 10 years. I personally lost 70 pounds over the past year doing this very thing. Based on what you said, shouldn't some of those people not gotten results? I think you're the ignorant one if you can't back up your assertions with facts.

Tell me, if you're such a fucking genius with regard to human physiology, what studies have you undertaken? Are you a doctor? A physical therapist? Or just a know it all fuckhead that is simultaneously supercilious and boorish? Believing everything you read without any regard for critical reasoning or "reading between the lines" isn't quite the hallmark of an intelligent person, ace.

Tell you what, why don't you hop in that scooter your doctor prescribed for you because you are too fucking sedentary to move about and go get yourself a double bacon cheeseburger or five for lunch today. Maybe if you're lucky you'll choke and die before the fat globules coursing through your arteries stroke you out.

And you can't even fucking spell "simpleton" correctly. Douchebag.
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The newflash is

now follow this

Just because someone restricts their diet, doesn't mean they lose weight. At all. So there's your first point, wrong
Increasing aerobic excercise wasn't the issue, nor the point. And still, it's not the same for everyone. Five people is a pretty amazing sample size though. Point two, wrong
Read the articles, do a search, I mentioned two magazines already, there is at least 5 out this past year with the studies. I have, it's pretty enlightening. You can find them in the library, it's that building w/ books where people smarter than you visit.
So again, just because someone has the same reduction in caloric intake, does not mean someone will lose weight at the same pace, if at all.
It's been shown to be in the genes.
It's been proven.
I don't care about your friend or Lance.

Wow, a typo flame. nice one putz

edit for shits and giggles: I'd also like to add, since you seem to have this little image of me, I run 5 and 10k's competitively, at least twice a month. I excerise more in a week than most do in a month. I tip the scales at 167 at 5'10". Not that I give a shit what you think, I'd just felt like adding it because it's about reading and doing some research and not a personal issue. Above it all though, grats on your weight loss, seriously, it's a great accomplishment.
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Lalanae wrote:
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Soda is mainly worse for you because of the carbonation and caffeine. The sports drinks don't contain those ingredients.
so tell me about carbonation. wasn't aware that carbonation could be bad (unless it makes you gassy :P)
Not sure about how bad carbonation is by itself... however, it does make soda taste very bitter, so carbonated beverages have to have a lot more sugar to make them taste as sweet as (say) Kool Aid. You can see the effect when you drink a flat soda, it's *really* sweet once the carbonation has leeched out.

Gatorade isn't so bad if it's used as intended; to rapidly replace lost sugars/salts/water from strenuous aerobic exercise. It's people that sit around sucking down this stuff for no reason that get into trouble..

BTW, don't know what the hell you kids are fight about w/ the diet thing.. I thought it was pretty clear that it was a diet and exercise combo that was being referred to, which *will* make you lose weight.

You can drop 50 pounds w/o exercise (from say 250+); hospitals put infirm people on special diets quite often to improve their chances of recovery from surgery, but you're looking at an all soup diet which is very low calorie and takes a lot of work for the body to digest which helps to stop the body going in to famine shut down.

All that said, not all fat people are lazy, and not all lazy people are fat.
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Zaelath wrote: All that said, not all fat people are lazy, and not all lazy people are fat.
Exactly. Thinking that all fat people are lazy is ignorant.
That's the point.
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Chidoro wrote:Above it all though, grats on your weight loss, seriously, it's a great accomplishment.
Thanks. It's made a huge improvement, and got me back to where I'm able to ride and regain a reasonable semblance of fitness, but I have more to go. Sadly running is out as I fucked up my knees doing multisport races in the 80s.
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the hot sauces from taco bell, can clean a penny...a dirty one...i tried it, it really will take off all that dirt, and make it somewhat shiny, think bout that sauce NOW, before you pour it on that taco/burrito...
The acids occuring naturally in your stomach are far more effective at cleaning pennies. The only 'bad' thing in those sauces are the preservatives. Prepackaged hot sauces are primarily chili peppers, vinegar, tomatoes and misc spices.

Heck, vinegar alone can clean your pennies but vinegar is not harmful to the human body.
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