whoa,

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 15, 2004, 12:57 am

Yep, pretttttty lame Millhouse!

The democrat strategy is to whine at any cost.

Post by **Xouqoa** » October 15, 2004, 2:29 am

And it came from Drudge Report... I'm sure that's such a reliable source.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 15, 2004, 4:55 am

Winnow wrote:Yep, pretttttty lame Millhouse!

The democrat strategy is to whine at any cost.

You know how ignorant you look when you categorise speaking out against corrupt and illegal activities as whining, right?

Siji · Post by **Siji** » October 15, 2004, 9:31 am

Zaelath wrote:
Winnow wrote:Yep, pretttttty lame Millhouse!

The democrat strategy is to whine at any cost.
You know how ignorant you look when you categorise speaking out against corrupt and illegal activities as whining, right?

Sadly, no.. he doesn't.

Tenuvil · Post by **Tenuvil** » October 15, 2004, 10:03 am

OMGZ IT'S THE AWTHENTICK MANUAL!!1!

This is so uncredible/incredible it's sad. This is the flip side of the obviously forged Bush National Guard service memos.

Burke · Post by **Burke** » October 15, 2004, 10:04 am

Just like Cheney is whining about Kerry mentioning the daughter he is ashamed of.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » October 15, 2004, 11:34 am

there are most likely some serious breech of the law on both sides. so much is at stake in a presidential election that people will flat out break the law.

the Bush campaign is certainly not going to lose the election because they were too nice, and the Kerry campaign is matching that intensity.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · October 15, 2004, 12:26 pm

Where's the outcry against the DNC over this like there was just a day ago in another over a similar claim against the RNC?

It wouldn't be so sad, if you people didn't constantly proclaim your fairness, unbias, and openmindedness. You are so superficial you think people can't see this? LOL

Siji · Post by **Siji** » October 15, 2004, 12:35 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Where's the outcry against the DNC over this like there was just a day ago in another over a similar claim against the RNC?

You're comparing with seriousness, something posted on Drudge to something posted on valid trusted news sources throughout the country?

You always were a source of entertainment.

Post by **Sylvus** » October 15, 2004, 12:48 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Where's the outcry against the DNC over this like there was just a day ago in another over a similar claim against the RNC?

It wouldn't be so sad, if you people didn't constantly proclaim your fairness, unbias, and openmindedness. You are so superficial you think people can't see this? LOL

What story are you talking about that is even close to a parallel of this "memo"? The one where the voter registrations of Democrats were being thrown away, or something else? If that's what you're talking about, it isn't even close to being similar. Have any of you people actually read the above document? It appears to be aimed at countering intimidation techniques that have been used in the past and are being used again, or to "nip it in the bud" so to speak before intimidation techniques are used.

Are you saying that it's a bad thing to encourage minorities to vote? Or are you saying that intimidation tactics have not been used in the past to discourage minorities from voting?

Arundel Pajo · Post by **Arundel Pajo** » October 15, 2004, 12:52 pm

Yeah...a memo encouraging voters to "keep an eye out" and detailing procedures for handling voter intimidation doesn't quite seem on par with throwing away hundreds of voter registration forms.

All in all, this seems like pretty lame dirt on the DNC, and I'll be the first to admit that they'd probably pull most of the same sorts of dirty tricks as the GOP if they were in the position to do so. I mean, this is just a memo asking people to be alert and informing them of the various actions they can take to be proactive.

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » October 15, 2004, 1:19 pm

Even if that is real, what's wrong with it?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · October 15, 2004, 1:26 pm

Vetiria wrote:Even if that is real, what's wrong with it?

It's obvious you and many others ahven't really read it.

Hint: " If no signs.....have emerged yet...."

Arundel Pajo · Post by **Arundel Pajo** » October 15, 2004, 1:30 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Vetiria wrote:Even if that is real, what's wrong with it?

It's obvious you and many others ahven't really read it.

Hint: " If no signs.....have emerged yet...."

Yeah, but all they're having them do is to preemptively make the issue public. By placing this out in the public eye, they make it harder to tamper with.

"If you live in an area where things have happened in the past, then express concern and place stories about concerns even if nothings happened yet this year" is a lot different than "tear up those registration forms, we only want GOP registrations."

Neost · Post by **Neost** » October 15, 2004, 1:34 pm

I don't really have an opinion as to the authenticity of the document I believe the concern is the part about launching a "pre-emptive" strike.

To me it reads like they are saying "hey, it doesn't matter if it is true or not, flood the media with it".

I don't know if the intended result would be to stop possible intimidation by bringing it to the public's attention, motivate the minority vote, or just disparage the republican party.

Post by **Sylvus** » October 15, 2004, 1:55 pm

Jesus, Midnyte, I cannot understand how you can believe the shit that comes out of your mouth. Go ahead and finish your thought. "If no signs.....have emerged yet...." what?

If you read the fucking thing, it says "If no signs of trying to intimidate minority voters.....have emerged yet go ahead and mention specific instances of when it has happened in the past [particularly in states where it has happened] so that if (or when) it does happen, it won't be so intimidating...."

Which thing in that memo is bad, please tell me. Is it:
<ul><li>increasing awareness of their opponents shady tactics in the past?</li><li>priming (check out what that word means) minority leaders to speak to the press in case it happens?</li><li>quoting minority leaders who have denounced practices that discourage minorities from voting?</li><li>warning local newspapers to not accept advertisements that might trick minorities into not voting?</li><li>exposing the concern of minority leaders that are concerned about intimidation tactics?</li></ul>

If you follow the link on the drudge report, there is a newspaper's site that reported on this. The page is real, the Democrats are not denying it. BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. The only thing on the list that I summarized that is even questionable is the last item, and perhaps they bring that up specifically for places that have seen the techniques tried in the past. And the last thing to remember is that this is one page of some larger document, and the second item on the list. It could be that we're missing some context.

Try to come up with something a little more solid in the future.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · October 15, 2004, 1:59 pm

Negativity breeds negativity. It is the cornerstone of the Democrat platform and has been for decades. If I thought for one second it was out of the concern for their fellow man, I wouldn't say a word. But, it isn't. It's no more than scare them into thinking the opposition is evil.

Moonwynd · Post by **Moonwynd** » October 15, 2004, 1:59 pm

They couldn't win the election last time and wanted the courts to give it to them...rumour mill says they are already preparing all of the steps necessary to bring it to court again.

CNSNews.com) - With about six weeks until Election Day, a group of African American conservatives is trying to blunt the liberal warnings that Republicans are planning to intimidate and suppress minority voters on Nov. 2.

As CNSNews.com reported Aug. 27, the liberal group MoveOn.org and black leaders such as Jesse Jackson and NAACP Chairman Julian Bond accuse the Republican Party of "suppressing" the black vote by "intimidation, misinformation, purges of voter roles that disenfranchise qualified voters, the threat to discount provisional ballots, and other actions that undermine the rights of qualified Americans to vote."

But members of the conservative Project 21, whose mission statement is to "promote the views of African-Americans whose entrepreneurial spirit, dedication to family and commitment to individual responsibility has not traditionally been echoed by the nation's civil rights establishment," have a different message to deliver.

Project 21 Director David Almasi told CNSNews.com that he fears liberal leaders are merely preparing for a challenge to the outcome of the November election.

"My main concern," Almasi said, "is that they're trying to set themselves up for November 3rd. If and when the election does not go their way ... they will have the groundwork laid; people will naturally say, 'Oh of course, I've been hearing about this voter suppression for a long time.'"

The complaints about voter suppression, levied in the form of a petition to President Bush and other Republican leaders, follow a report from People for the American Way (PFAW), which claims to have detailed voter intimidation targeted at blacks.

The report claimed that old tactics of suppressing the black vote, such as the requirements of poll taxes and literacy tests, have been replaced by "more subtle, cynical and creative tactics."

PFAW claims those tactics include attempts by "plainclothes officers from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) to question elderly black voters in their homes."

The group's report also refers to attempts by Florida officials to conduct a "purge" that would have removed convicted felons from voter rolls. Several media outlets have reported that such a purge would also remove legitimate voters from the rolls.

"In 1998 in South Carolina, a state representative mailed 3,000 brochures to African American neighborhoods, claiming that law enforcement agents would be 'working' the election, and warning voters that 'this election is not worth going to jail,'" PFAW charged in its report.

"In every national American election since Reconstruction, every election since the Voting Rights Act passed in 1965, voters - particularly African American voters and other minorities - have faced calculated and determined efforts at intimidation and suppression,"

PFAW stated that voter intimidation "is not the province of a single political party," but added that, "over the past two decades, the Republican Party has launched a series of 'ballot security' and 'voter integrity' initiatives which have targeted minority communities." The Republican National Committee was mentioned several more times as a perpetrator of voter intimidation and suppression.

Almasi, however, said much of the proof of voter suppression and intimidation is "circumstantial evidence."

"To hear some of these reports, you had Bull Conner sitting in front of the polling station with a fire hose and dogs," he said, referring to the Alabama commissioner of public safety who ordered police to use dogs and fire hoses against Martin Luther King Jr.'s civil rights demonstrators in the 1960s.

"In reality," he continued, "there was a police stop two miles away, or there was a parked police car and this was considered to be intimidation," Almasi said.

"I don't think all black people are criminals, but apparently Jesse Jackson has an idea that they are because [he seems to think] they wouldn't go to the polls if you didn't take away the idea that they'd be arrested," he added.

Almasi said he thinks the policies being advanced by Jackson and other liberals "could be even more devastating to an election" than the alleged voter intimidation.

He explained that loose regulations on registration and identification have made it possible for voters to be registered and to vote twice. He gave an example of voters registered in New York City and Florida, in which "these people have voted in both places, one in person and one absentee," he said.

He added that while purging voter rolls of convicted felons could disenfranchise some legitimate voters, there are still thousands of felons voting who should not be allowed to vote.

The Democrats and Republicans ignore the black voters...Democrats know that the black vote goes Democratic...so they don't have to win them over. Republicans know the same thing..and they do not invest any effort in bringing the black vote their way...which would be an exercise in futility.

If you really want a good read...read this...trust me...

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/larr ... 0812.shtml

Regards,

Moon

Arundel Pajo · Post by **Arundel Pajo** » October 15, 2004, 2:06 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Negativity breeds negativity. It is the cornerstone of the Democrat platform and has been for decades. If I thought for one second it was out of the concern for their fellow man, I wouldn't say a word. But, it isn't. It's no more than scare them into thinking the opposition is evil.

What's today's terror alert level at?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 15, 2004, 2:22 pm

Zaelath wrote:
Winnow wrote:Yep, pretttttty lame Millhouse!

The democrat strategy is to whine at any cost.
You know how ignorant you look when you categorise speaking out against corrupt and illegal activities as whining, right?

Do you realize how incredibly assinine you are? This is about protesting what doesn't exist. This document is about speaking out even if nothing happens, not about actual illegal activities.

Whether the it's true or not, your point if invalid.

Nice going d-crats. If you don't see what's wrong with this document (as the document reads) then you are a lost cause.

Preemptive whining?

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » October 15, 2004, 2:30 pm

Truly the DNC is beyond reproach and would never do something like this.

It's dirty if it's true, and it's embarassing you won't admit that. It's along the same lines as, well, every other dirty trick people use to cheat. Like registering dead people to vote. Having felons signed up 20 times each. You know, all well and good if it's the DNC doing it, right?

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » October 15, 2004, 2:33 pm

The Democrats and Republicans ignore the black voters...Democrats know that the black vote goes Democratic...so they don't have to win them over. Republicans know the same thing..and they do not invest any effort in bringing the black vote their way...which would be an exercise in futility.

This is absolutely wrong. Black and hispanic voters are moving toward Bush in record numbers this election, especially in swing states. That's why all these fabrications about voter intimidaion and stealing the black vote are so prevalent. If it was a lock they wouldn't have to lie.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » October 15, 2004, 2:45 pm

yeah blacks are swarming to Bush. i think their numbers are up like 500% from 2000. up to 10 from 2

miir · Post by **miir** » October 15, 2004, 2:49 pm

This is absolutely wrong. Black and hispanic voters are moving toward Bush in record numbers this election, especially in swing states.

I would have thought the opposite.
Can you back up that statement?
Got any links to reputable sites to corroborate your claim?

noel · Post by **noel** » October 15, 2004, 2:50 pm

Voronwë wrote:yeah blacks are swarming to Bush. i think their numbers are up like 500% from 2000. up to 10 from 2

LOL

miir · Post by **miir** » October 15, 2004, 2:59 pm

Black and hispanic voters are moving toward Bush in record numbers

Not to worry, Bush's security forces can beat them off and throw em in jail.

Can't have them pesky minorities harassin' the president.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 15, 2004, 3:04 pm

Is this some huge surprise? Wow...Kerry is getting the black vote...like every democrat has always gotten.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » October 15, 2004, 3:09 pm

There should be a literacy test in this day and age before you are allowed to vote. If you are one of the dumbasses who thinks being educated isn't cool, then you should not be voting anyway.

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » October 15, 2004, 5:56 pm

http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/elect ... 47,00.html

Democrats got caught with their election playbook open Thursday when a leaked page was published urging operatives to lodge a "pre-emptive strike" of claiming voter intimidation, whether it's true or not.

Gleeful Republicans quickly called a press conference after the page from The Drudge Report went online, in which they denounced "a new low in gutter politics" that "played the race card."

"They want to rile up the minorities to denounce tactics that do not exist," said Ted Halaby, chairman of the Colorado GOP.

Halaby said it was "a criminal act to falsely allege something that does not exist." He called on the state Democrats to "denounce and renounce" the manual's teachings.

But Democrats, who verified as authentic the page from a playbook called "Colorado Election Day Manual: A detailed guide to voting in Colorado," said they must be pro-active to assure that minorities and all others are not scared away from the polls.

Not only is this story not a headline on any of the major news networks, it's also not even listed at all.

Xzion- · Post by **Xzion-** » October 15, 2004, 6:26 pm

Rekaar. wrote:
The Democrats and Republicans ignore the black voters...Democrats know that the black vote goes Democratic...so they don't have to win them over. Republicans know the same thing..and they do not invest any effort in bringing the black vote their way...which would be an exercise in futility.
This is absolutely wrong. Black and hispanic voters are moving toward Bush in record numbers this election, especially in swing states. That's why all these fabrications about voter intimidaion and stealing the black vote are so prevalent. If it was a lock they wouldn't have to lie.

lol,I live in florida
every black person i know is just as strongly, if not more strongly against bush then i am, and these are from a wide range of incomes

Every arabic person i know is strongly against bush from the ultra-conservative muslim ones to the atheist alcoholic ones

As for spanish people (being that i am mostly spanish), the ones i know are pretty divided....but thats not a very accurate reprisintation

The few asians i know are either for kerry or dont give a shit

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 15, 2004, 6:32 pm

Xzion- wrote:
lol,I live in florida
every black person i know is just as strongly, if not more strongly against bush then i am, and these are from a wide range of incomes

Every arabic person i know is strongly against bush from the ultra-conservative muslim ones to the atheist alcoholic ones

As for spanish people (being that i am mostly spanish), the ones i know are pretty divided....but thats not a very accurate reprisintation

The few asians i know are either for kerry or dont give a shit

every black person, every arabic person and the few asians you mention..what's that total up to and why is that a strong statment and your knowledge of your own spanish ethic group that you say is divided not accurate?

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 16, 2004, 10:25 am

Winnow wrote:
Zaelath wrote:
Winnow wrote:Yep, pretttttty lame Millhouse!

The democrat strategy is to whine at any cost.
You know how ignorant you look when you categorise speaking out against corrupt and illegal activities as whining, right?
Do you realize how incredibly assinine you are? This is about protesting what doesn't exist. This document is about speaking out even if nothing happens, not about actual illegal activities.

Really, and I'm not usually a pedant about this shit on a message board, but it *really* helps if you're going to try to make your baseless accusation look more intelligent by using bigger words, to spell them correctly.

I would have thought a staunch republican parrot like yourself would be in favour of pre-emption based on past record.

BTW, I'm not a democrat, and sorry but your continual contention that every time a democrat says he doesn't like something about your emporer and his senate he's just a whining liberal only sells to your butt buddies, everyone centre-right to left thinks you're a ignorant fuckhead who can't come up with anything better.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 16, 2004, 10:27 am

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:There should be a literacy test in this day and age before you are allowed to vote. If you are one of the dumbasses who thinks being educated isn't cool, then you should not be voting anyway.

I thought you were pro-Bush....

Xzion- · Post by **Xzion-** » October 16, 2004, 10:30 am

Winnow wrote:
Xzion- wrote:
lol,I live in florida
every black person i know is just as strongly, if not more strongly against bush then i am, and these are from a wide range of incomes

Every arabic person i know is strongly against bush from the ultra-conservative muslim ones to the atheist alcoholic ones

As for spanish people (being that i am mostly spanish), the ones i know are pretty divided....but thats not a very accurate reprisintation

The few asians i know are either for kerry or dont give a shit
every black person, every arabic person and the few asians you mention..what's that total up to and why is that a strong statment and your knowledge of your own spanish ethic group that you say is divided not accurate?

Well im around many cubans living in florida, and most of my family is republican, but not based on anything else then tax cuts for privately owned businesses
In florida the spanish vote would be maybe 75- 20 ish% or something like that, opposed to the rest of the country being 80-10/15%