10/13 Debate Comments

miir · Post by **miir** » October 14, 2004, 1:30 pm

Great reasoning.

Bush didn't make himself look like a complete and utter fool....

WE WIN!!

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » October 14, 2004, 1:32 pm

I guess you missed this back in Feb. http://www.vh1.com/shows/dyn/vh1_news_p ... bout.jhtml It was just with the Democratic contenders but pretty funny. Who knows maybe they will show it again but what it did show was that Kerry had full command of pop culture, he knows exactly who Tony S. is and what show he is on. I mean just listening to him you can tell he at least reads the Newspaper every morning (unlike our current President).

Marb

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 14, 2004, 1:33 pm

miir wrote:Great reasoning.

Bush didn't make himself look like a complete and utter fool....

WE WIN!!

Nay, Bush isn't an eloquent speaker. He got his points across very well though last night. I don't care how the issue is presented as long as I agree with it.

PS Cheney has a lesbian daughter...in case you miss Kerry mentioning that another 100 times before November 2nd.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » October 14, 2004, 1:38 pm

Winnow wrote: He was more positive than Kerry and there were no hard figures to be found from Kerry for his plan to pay for all of his miracle cures.

Just out of curiosity, do you even care that Bush hasn't been able to create a positive economy while, at the same time, managed to take a surplus and turn it into a huge deficit? Seriously, do you even understand the term, Fiscal Responsibility? That bill Bush is running up does have to be paid for at some point.
I guess it's just the way it is, a republican to run up the tab and a democrat to be responible and pay it off.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 14, 2004, 1:40 pm

Chidoro wrote: I guess it's just the way it is, a republican to run up the tab and a democrat to be responible and pay it off.

Yes, I plan to vote democrat in 2008 to get this shit paid off after the war.

Fesuni Chopsui · Post by **Fesuni Chopsui** » October 14, 2004, 1:42 pm

I plan to vote Vagina in 2008 in order to fix everything Bush has done!

Arundel Pajo · Post by **Arundel Pajo** » October 14, 2004, 2:36 pm

All in all, I felt that debate #3 was a something of a wash. Neither side really impressed me last night. I thought Bush came off a lot more polished than he did in that first debate, though he still dodged questions like crazy. Kerry did, too, but not really as much. I would probably put Kerry out ahead on this one by the barest hair's breadth.

Winnow wrote:PS Cheney has a lesbian daughter...in case you miss Kerry mentioning that another 100 times before November 2nd.

Yeah. I thought that was tacky. K lost points with me on that one, though I still prefer him to shrub by far.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » October 14, 2004, 2:55 pm

Fesuni Chopsui wrote:I plan to vote Vagina in 2008 in order to fix everything Bush has done!

I agree. I think it will be Clinton in 08.

The only way to tell who really won these debates will be after the election is over. Whoever wins will have won the debates.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 14, 2004, 2:59 pm

One of the Bush daughter's need to go to the bathroom?

Teresa Heinz looks like a Vampire eying Laura Bush's neck.

miir · Post by **miir** » October 14, 2004, 3:03 pm

Teresa Heinz looks like a Vampire eying Laura Bush's neck.

And Laura looks like shes enjoying it.

Moonwynd · Post by **Moonwynd** » October 14, 2004, 3:04 pm

Teresa Heinz-Kerry is Coterie....it's plain to see that... I think I even nuked her out of the sky once while travelling through the Tenebrous Mountains trying to find a blue diamond!

And you all thought that was ketchup dripping off of her bottom lip...

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » October 14, 2004, 4:57 pm

There's a difference between winning the battle and winning the war. As example, let's say Kerry came off as more articulate and seems to slam the President a lot both personally and politically...but comes off as arrogant and distasteful (bringing in Mary Cheney's sexuality etc).

You could give him the win for the debate, but you won't vote for him because you think he's slime.

The reverse is also true, what I'm saying is - the key question is who won the most votes.

Xzion- · Post by **Xzion-** » October 14, 2004, 5:09 pm

Winnow wrote:Kerry moved his hands so much I thought he was using sign language to communicate to the def. I was impressed for a second.

Being that you are the most ardent bush supporter on this board, il ask you a question again that you'v been dodging better then bush has roe v wade...

how would you rate bush as a president?

Lisandre · Post by **Lisandre** » October 14, 2004, 6:11 pm

...but comes off as arrogant and distasteful (bringing in Mary Cheney's sexuality etc).

This whole uproar about Kerry mentioning that Dick Cheney's daughter is a lesbian was all over the news today. I don't get it. So what if she's a lesbian? It's nothing to be ashamed of. Of all the things that were discussed last night, why latch on to such an insignificant detail?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 14, 2004, 7:23 pm

Lisandre wrote:
...but comes off as arrogant and distasteful (bringing in Mary Cheney's sexuality etc).
This whole uproar about Kerry mentioning that Dick Cheney's daughter is a lesbian was all over the news today. I don't get it. So what if she's a lesbian? It's nothing to be ashamed of. Of all the things that were discussed last night, why latch on to such an insignificant detail?

Because Kerry seems to think it's an issue by mentioning it constantly in his speeches. I think it actually benefits Bush that he does but I'm happy to seeKerry get some bad press over it.

Lisandre · Post by **Lisandre** » October 14, 2004, 7:30 pm

I got this from http://www.andrewsullivan.com/, and I agree with his assesment of it.

SOMETHING MORE ABOUT MARY: The Mary Cheney thing really is a fascinating Rorschach test. Many conservatives are appalled and cast their anti-Kerry opinion as a defense of Mary. Here's one:

Last night he allowed his obsession with his own selfish desire to win a point overshadow the appropriate boundaries of taste, compassion, and kindess. Lynne Cheney has the right to call him a bad man. And woman across the nation have the right to see for themselves that he is willing to victimize THEM if it comes to padding his advantage, reputation, position, or standing.
Victimize? All Kerry did was invoke the veep's daughter to point out that obviously homosexuality isn't a choice, in any meaningful sense. The only way you can believe that citing Mary Cheney amounts to "victimization" is if you believe someone's sexual orientation is something shameful. Well, it isn't. What's revealing is that this truly does expose the homophobia of so many - even in the mildest "we'll-tolerate-you-but-shut-up-and-don't-complain" form. Mickey Kaus, for his part, cannot see any reason for Kerry to mention Mary except as some Machiavellian scheme to pander to bigots. Again: huh? Couldn't it just be that Kerry thinks of gay people as human beings like straight people - and mentioning their lives is not something we should shrink from? Isn't that the simplest interpretation? In many speeches on marriage rights, I cite Mary Cheney. Why? Because it exposes the rank hypocrisy of people like president Bush and Dick and Lynne Cheney who don't believe gays are anti-family demons but want to win the votes of people who do. I'm not outing any gay person. I'm outing the double standards of straight ones. They've had it every which way for decades, when gay people were invisible. Now they have to choose.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » October 14, 2004, 7:48 pm

If she looks like a vampire, then Laura Bush is further cementing the robot look with the emotionless expression on her face and the arms stretched forward in full automaton mode.

For the record, I don't like the Ketchup Queen much either. Laura Bush just really gives me the creeps. I could see her playing the Kathy Bates role in Misery.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » October 14, 2004, 8:00 pm

It's totally immaterial who "won" this debate or any other, what matters is who won the votes.

heh bet you wouldn't have said that if the polls were turned around. Good defense for a horrible showing though!

t comes down to Ohio. Time for everyone to kiss Homercles feet.

Have yet to hear a single person here in Ohio say that Bush won any of the debates. Comments after the last one stayed in the "He came off as a total jerk!" to "I have never seen anyone avoid so many questions ever!" to "Wow Kerry crushed him". And that is from a mix of party supporters.

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » October 14, 2004, 11:48 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:This Kerry campaign has been 90% about trashing Bush and 10% about their fague plans.

What are their plans for the fags?

Xzion- · Post by **Xzion-** » October 15, 2004, 12:31 am

Winnow wrote:
Lisandre wrote:
...but comes off as arrogant and distasteful (bringing in Mary Cheney's sexuality etc).
This whole uproar about Kerry mentioning that Dick Cheney's daughter is a lesbian was all over the news today. I don't get it. So what if she's a lesbian? It's nothing to be ashamed of. Of all the things that were discussed last night, why latch on to such an insignificant detail?
Because Kerry seems to think it's an issue by mentioning it constantly in his speeches. I think it actually benefits Bush that he does but I'm happy to seeKerry get some bad press over it.

so, how would you rate bush as a president overall?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 15, 2004, 12:56 am

Xzion- wrote: so, how would you rate bush as a president overall?

heckler!

Rivera Bladestrike · Post by **Rivera Bladestrike** » October 15, 2004, 1:28 am

i don't know about you guys but i'd fuck the bush girls, they look pretty hot in that picture

Thess · Post by **Thess** » October 15, 2004, 1:57 am

Quite the meetings he had with the black caucus. "Send out Colin Powell and Condi Rice - they are black"

THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE
Black Caucus Leader Recasts Bush Meeting
Rep. Cummings says the president saw them only because they refused to leave until he did.
By Richard Simon
Times Staff Writer

October 14, 2004

WASHINGTON — When President Bush, responding to a question about affirmative action, said during Wednesday's debate that he had met with the Congressional Black Caucus, it wasn't exactly the kind of meeting you would expect.

The caucus members got to see Bush only after showing up at the White House gate and refusing to leave until the president agreed to meet with them, according to the group's leader.

The session came about after the White House declined the group's repeated requests for meetings, Rep. Elijah E. Cummings (D-Md.), chairman of the 39-member caucus, said after the debate Wednesday.

Last February, he said, the group wanted to meet with Bush to discuss the crisis in Haiti and called White House chief of staff Andrew H. Card Jr. to tell him, "We're coming to the White House." About 20 members of the caucus then boarded a bus at the Capitol and traveled up Pennsylvania Avenue.

"We were not necessarily welcomed guests," Cummings said, suggesting that hard feelings may have lingered after a number of black lawmakers challenged Bush's election when the Electoral College votes were being certified in January 2001.

Caucus members were greeted by Secretary of State Colin L. Powell and national security advisor Condoleezza Rice. But they were told flatly, "The president is not on the premises," recalled Candice Tolliver, the group's communications director.

Caucus members then said they wouldn't leave until they could meet with Bush. Fifteen minutes later, the president showed up.

After the meeting, the White House issued a statement saying Bush "welcomed the opportunity" to visit with the caucus.

"This president has basically not given the Congressional Black Caucus any respect. None," Cummings said after Wednesday's debate.

The caucus did meet with Bush 11 days after he was inaugurated — at which time the president told them, "I hope you come back, and I'll certainly be inviting," according to the White House transcript.

Copyright 2004 Los Angeles Times

Post by **Sylvus** » October 15, 2004, 1:30 pm

Winnow wrote:Because Kerry seems to think it's an issue by mentioning it constantly in his speeches.

In how many speeches has he mentioned her? I think it's a far cry from constantly, and a bit closer to one or two.

Arundel Pajo · Post by **Arundel Pajo** » October 15, 2004, 1:34 pm

Actually, to my knowledge, Kerry mentioned it once. At least only one televised event - I honestly have no clue what he says at each and every campaign stop as he's stumping around the country.

But yeah - just once on a televised event. The other mention came from Edwards, and was rather kind.