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Millionaires for Bush, Billionaires for Kerry

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I thought some of you might find this article interesting. :) Must be pretty nice to have "fuck-you" money.

Source: http://www.slate.com/id/2108136/
Millionaires for Bush, Billionaires for Kerry
Why the super-rich favor the candidate who will raise their taxes.
By Daniel Gross
Posted Tuesday, Oct. 12, 2004, at 1:52 PM PT



Buffett's got money to burn

In Fahrenheit 9/11, a tuxedoed President Bush jokes: "This is an impressive crowd—the haves and the have mores. Some people call you the elite. I call you my base."

Assuming they're economically rational creatures, rich people should support Bush. After all, Bush has cut taxes on the rich and promises to cut more, while Kerry vows to raise them. But the reality is clearly more complicated than rich = Bush supporter and poor = Kerry supporter. As Thomas Frank notes in What's the Matter With Kansas, plenty of struggling Great Plains denizens are reliable Republicans. Meanwhile, in many affluent enclaves on the East and West Coast—Bushenfreude hot zones—the rich seem to favor Democrats. And while Billionaires for Bush archly satirizes the Republican Party's efforts to cater to the extremely wealthy, there are plenty of billionaires who are ardently supporting Kerry. (See: Soros, George.)

Which raises the question: How rich do you have to get before you start favoring Kerry?


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While the haves will surely give Bush a majority of their votes this fall, the have-mores might not. In September, the research firm Prince & Associates surveyed 400 people worth more than $1 million for Elite Traveler magazine. (Note to self: Try to get gig writing for this magazine.) The rich folk favored Bush by a 58-42 margin. Not too surprising. But when you break out the numbers, they tell a different story. The petit bourgeoisie millionaires were passionately for Bush: Those worth between $1 million and $10 million favored Bush by a 63-37 margin. But the haute millionaires, those worth more than $10 million, favored Kerry 59-41.

Russ Prince explained the difference by noting that, absurd as it may sound, those with a net worth of merely seven figures don't feel financially secure. "The people with less than $10 million are still very focused on their personal financial situation in the short term," he told the Wall Street Journal, where the results were first published.

Indeed, being a millionaire isn't what it used to be, thanks to inflation and high housing prices. According to this report from Merrill Lynch, there were 2.3 million Americans with financial assets worth more than $1 million in 2003. And if you counted home values, the number of asset millionaires would be several times higher.

But at some point, millionaires get so rich that they don't really have to worry about how to pay the mortgage, or for that new Bentley. And if you can live off the tax-free interest of your municipal bonds, it really doesn't matter whether the top marginal income tax rate is 33 percent or 39 percent.

On Wall Street, veterans speak of "f***-you money": the nice round figure a guy needs to set himself up for life, buy (and decorate) multiple residences, create trust funds for kids, and still have enough cash to buy expensive toys and pursue new business ventures. At a certain point—somewhere north of $10 million—wealth may become "f*** you and f*** you, Republicans" money. This is the kind of cash that George Soros, Warren Buffett, Peter Lewis, and the 200 business leaders who endorsed Kerry possess. People with such sums don't need to worry about how income or capital gains taxes affect their daily lives. Raise 'em, lower 'em, who cares? They're still going to be disgustingly rich. And so they are free to devote their attention—and resources—to other areas: the environment, education, foreign policy, the Supreme Court, social issues, stem-cell research, the war on drugs, whatever. And it seems that for many of the truly wealthy, focusing on those other issues leads them to favor Kerry over Bush.

Now, the Prince survey is unscientific and small. And depending on where you live, the magic number that signifies true financial freedom varies enormously. On $500,000 a year a person could live like a king in Topeka, Kan., and barely scrape by on the Upper East Side of Manhattan.

But the general thrust of the argument rings true. The specter of plutocrats spending millions of their own hard-earned dollars to elect somebody who wants to raise their taxes is mystifying to the materialists at the Wall Street Journal editorial page and the Club for Growth, who think that man is a purely economic being who lives and dies by marginal tax rates alone. But to many people who have made f***-you money, taxes are a byproduct of wealth, not an obstacle to its creation. It's hard to find anybody who has made $1 billion, or $100 million, or even $50 million complaining about high marginal tax rates. Of all the luxuries massive wealth affords, one of the nicest is not having to worry about tax policy.


Daniel Gross (http://www.danielgross.net) writes Slate's "Moneybox" column. You can e-mail him at moneybox@slate.com.
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Or perhaps...$ isn't everything?
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Toshira wrote:Or perhaps...$ isn't everything?
very true, not all wealthy people are greedy evil basterds as society now likes to portray them that only vote or do things to piss all over everyone else and further horde there fortunes

From what i see many millionaires and upper-middle-class people are just as divided as everyone else, granted some are greedy basterds that will vote for which candidate will benefit them better (lawyers for kerry/ businessmen for bush stereotypically)
Hell if you live in orlando just drive threw Windermere you'll see just as many Kerry yard signs and bumper stickers as you will see bush ones
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Xzion- wrote:will vote for which candidate will benefit them better (lawyers for kerry/ businessmen for bush stereotypically)
Another big exception here: The majority of physicians favor Kerry by a pretty good margin. This despite the fact that Kerry's proposed health plan could mean an appreciable salary decrease for physicians.
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I could see where most "Old Money" (inherited wealth) would support Kerry because higher taxes won't affect them. Kerry's higher taxes would hurt those people just trying to get ahead in life though. Contrary to popular belief, $250k a year is not rich in my opinion and these are the people that Kerry are targetting. This doesn't mean I support Bush but I do like his tax cuts, just not much of anything else.

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the most important thing to take home from this is that there is further and further class differentiation in the United States.

There is the "political donor class", and then there are the rest of us who are only important in that we physically have to show up at the polls to vote for the candidate. Outside of the bare minimum lip service required to get us to vote for a candidate from either party, largely our concerns are irrelevant to policy formation.
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Deward wrote:Contrary to popular belief, $250k a year is not rich in my opinion...

Ah. Though I agree that $250k doesn't buy yachts, jets, supermodels on your arm, and wild birthday parties in the Sahara with Moroccan servant boys, it's still a damn sight more than most make.

Not rich? What do you call somebody who's in the top 5% of wage earners in the country?

Personally, I think if you wanted to target the people who you seem to think of as rich, don't go for their incomes. These people don't have *incomes*, they have wealth. Big difference, But still, don't pretend like $250k isn't more than 95% of the US earns.
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The upper class/middle class/lower class income and tax debate is always an issue that never truely gets resolved. Every politician preaches to cut taxes, put more money in your pocket and make you happy with the power of the green. Unfortunately this usually never pans out the way we all hope, the reason being with our extremely diverse economy and the plethora of ways people file their taxable income its almost impossible to benefit everyone. True, in this day and age the upper class who make 200K+ a year pay very little in taxes. Meanwhile, the lower and middle classes get railed. My parents pay substantially less taxes a year than I do and my father makes presently (sigh...gg Oregon economy) 8x as much as I do a year. While I do not think Bush has a good idea for the economy, Kerry's proposed financial plan does have some really good and really bad ideas. His tax break on middle class and lower class = good. His desire to tax certain individuals who make more than 200k a year also is good. But...Bush said something very very true during the 2nd debate, small businesses will also be affected by Kerry's plan. They will be taxxed heavily moreso than they need to be. Why? Cause a good number of small businesses file as under the tax code that the wealthy do. I know a lot of farmers do this, not because they are making lots of money but because that is the only applicable method of tax filing they can do without being absolutely hammered with taxes and state based farm taxes. I know this to be true because we own 3 farms in Missouri and Tennessee and we have to file as a small business under the present tax system. It willl unfairly tax farmers and other small business owners , which = bad. However looking at the economic agendas for both canidates, Kerry's I think has more merit and will do better in the long run. I prefer to use Nader's method, a flat tax across the board 7% for everyone. Sure it's a bit socailist in theory but I think it would be far more beneficial than either canidates plans. The main opposition to this would I can guess would be states battling not to lose their income tax or sales tax. But..I'm not president just a standard tax payer (double tax payer in some instances.....fuck out of state income taxes bullshit).
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Sylvos wrote:...e a good number of small businesses file as under the tax code that the wealthy do....
Sylvos. This is totally true. As a small business owner, it sickens me to be paying nearly 40% of my income back to the Fed. As a contractor with an ebb/flow sort of work flow, I need that money there to live.

However, go out there and talk to some other small business owners. I know several and work with several. I have yet to meet one for whom Bush lowered taxes. In fact, everybody I know had their taxes go *up*.

So, I mean....SB taxes are gonna go up regardless. Bush is just giving lip-service on that issue, and SB owners should vote based on other issues. You're gonna get pinched for taxes anyway, vote for how you want that money spen - in Iraq, or at home.
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Sylvos according to the Wall Street Journal, only 4% of *real* small business would be effected by the increase of taxes on the top marginal rate.

I own a business in that i have a rental property. But i don't employ anybody, and i'm not going to employ anybody either. Of course i don't make $200K+ either so it is irrelevant.

BUt Kerry is right, if you use the Bush campaign's figures it includes "small businesses" like the one that George Bush claimed $85 for. Bush tried to act like he didn't know what Kerry was talking about, but his accountant knows about it because it was on his 1040 Schedule G for tax year 2003.

Bush has doubled the number of small business (saying 900,000 instead of 475,000) that would pay more taxes under Kerry's plan. And even still according to the WSJ (i will try to find the specific citation) it is only 4% of US small businesses.

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I was trying to explain this to my mom yesterday, it's nice to see it in an article. It makes 100% sense to me. Our society focuses us on "winning" and doing better... not a bad thing. But something that, IMHO, should be tempered at times for the betterment of all.

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Yes, all SBO's get pinched under every administration's tax plans. Unfortunately I feel Kerry's plan is far better than Bush's. I know this because I'm pretty sure regardless of which canidate gets elected we'll get shafted. They need to set up a different filing system for Farmers and the like so that we are not forced to file as SBO so that we don't get hammered.
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Another consideration for legitimate small business owners is deductions. As a partner in a consulting company, I paid very close attention to my receipts because almost everything I spent money on was tax deductable. The difference on a return with full deductions and without is enormous; a good accountant will show you how to save more in deductions than the cost of using one to do your returns. This is especially true for small business owners.
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