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Aaeamdar asked me once where other peoples rights were being infringed upon by the gay agenda. I offer the following article regarding a program put in place by a major bank in Canada in order to foster better relationships with our gay and trans gendered co-workers.

Sticking up for gay rights?
The 'safe space' campaign goes too far
By MICHAEL COREN

You may have thought that your bank was there just to help you with a mortgage, take care of your money and give you a loan. Not quite.

An employee "diversity group" within the Royal Bank of Canada recently launched a three-month "Rainbow Space" pilot project, described in a newsletter distributed to some 2,000 employees in the Toronto area. The paper makes for fascinating reading:

"This newsletter will be distributed on a regular basis to highlight specific issues related to the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transgendered (GLBT) community within RBC, and to highlight the importance of sexual preference as one of RBC's primary diversity elements," it says.

And if you dare complain that all this might be rather a distraction, you might just be a homophobe. Because the newsletter announces the desperate need for the Safe Space Program, "to help foster a safe and inclusive environment for GLBT individuals."

How do I tell my GLBT colleagues that they are safe? Easy. "Display an RBC 'Safe Space' sticker. The sticker was created as a visible, non-threatening way to show that your desk, cubicle, or office is a 'safe place' for gay men, bisexuals, transgendered and lesbians."

How will I recognize the sticker?

"Traditionally, this symbol is comprised of a pink triangle, a widely recognised gay-positive symbol, surrounded by a green circle, the international symbol of acceptance."

Who knew?

But there is more. The newsletter gives helpful hints about making everyone feel just fine and dandy.

"Use inclusive language. Instead of asking if a co-worker is married, ask if they're in a relationship. Terms such as 'significant other' and 'partner' are more inclusive than 'girlfriend' or 'spouse'. Treat the subject positively. When gay, lesbian, and bisexual issues are discussed, make it clear that you are supportive of all aspects of diversity."

One can only imagine how a Muslim, Christian, orthodox Jew or any moral conservative might feel in the face of this. What if they are kind, tolerant people who are generous and open to gay men and women but cannot affirm gay marriage and homosexuality?

Then again, apparently only murderous swine would behave in such a manner.

"During the Nazi regime, a pink triangle was used to label gay men, and a black triangle was used to label lesbians or other anti-socials," the newsletter states. Not true. The Nazis did not arrest women for lesbianism and the black triangle did not have a homosexual connotation.

If you're confused, don't worry. The newsletter has helpful definitions. "Heterosexual orientation: attraction to individuals of the opposite gender." The definition of "gender identity" is "one's internal sense of being male or female." Interesting. If I feel like a woman then I am a woman. What if I feel like a lion, a mouse or the emperor of China?

Have you heard of "two-spirited"? The newsletter explains: "An aboriginal term used to describe people who embody both the male and female spirit. Many lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgendered aboriginal people are reclaiming the term." Whew, thank goodness for that.

The there are "intersexuals or hermaphrodites." These are "people who are born with genitals of both sexes (ranging in degree); often an infant who is born intersexed will be surgically altered to represent one gender. Unfortunately, this is done before the child has had a chance to express which gender he or she would choose to be."

Those fascist mums and dads! Surely they should wait until junior can walk and talk before interfering with their child's life. As the old nursery rhyme had it, "Mum and dad, do be tender. Let the kids decide their gender."

The group is working hard to make RBC a better place for GLBT. (The bank says the campaign is not part of company policy and will not be rolled out Canada-wide.) If you think that might be a colossal waste of TIME and an absurd spending of other people's MONEY, you might just be a SAIP (Sane and Intelligent Person).

Now I'm off to my safe little space. I've even got my very own sticker.
This is the worst case of reverse discrimination I have ever seen. What if a Christian or someone of another faith decides to not wear the button. They are branded as a bigot or a homophobe?

I call bullshit on this one.
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Don't you have to be credible in the first place to 'call bullshit'?

That said, I think it's totally inappropriate for an employer to bring sexual preference into any aspect of work. Very frankly, it's not a subject that needs be discussed in the workplace. Discrimination within the workplace based on sexual preference is illegal, but I frankly don't care what the preferences are of my fellow employees.
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*sigh*

1) It's in another country. I know that sometimes, it's hard to not think of Canada as just another state, but they really are their own sovereign nation.

2) What is the source for this? The tone of the article seems incredibly biased. For instance, I gather from reading this that anybody can elect to not display a sticker or button - the plan merely encourages people to do so if they elect to make their support known. I have a lot of straight friends who display such stickers on cars, etc..., however the author of this article goes off the deep end and draws some rather nasty conclusions.

3) Where are anybody's rights being infringed? An awareness and acceptance program like this may smack of silly HR bullshit, but nowhere does it impugn anybody's rights. Businesses saw much the same thing in the wake of racial desegregation. I don't see anything about preferenital "gay-only" hiring practices, promotions, pay-scale differences or the like. It's just an HR newsletter.
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I don't see anyone's rights being infringed upon. They're passing out stickers which say that the person displaying the sticker is A-Okay with gay people. Sounds like a reasonable comfort to request, so you don't have to worry about someone beating you to death for your lifestyle.

How are anyone's rights being infringed upon? Don't display the sticker if you don't want to.

Nice try though.
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Arundel Pajo wrote:*sigh*

1) It's in another country. I know that sometimes, it's hard to not think of Canada as just another state, but they really are their own sovereign nation.
Atokal lives in Canada.
2) What is the source for this? The tone of the article seems incredibly biased. For instance, I gather from reading this that anybody can elect to not display a sticker or button - the plan merely encourages people to do so if they elect to make their support known. I have a lot of straight friends who display such stickers on cars, etc..., however the author of this article goes off the deep end and draws some rather nasty conclusions.
The article is definitely incredibly biased.
3) Where are anybody's rights being infringed? An awareness and acceptance program like this may smack of silly HR bullshit, but nowhere does it impugn anybody's rights. Businesses saw much the same thing in the wake of racial desegregation. I don't see anything about preferenital "gay-only" hiring practices, promotions, pay-scale differences or the like. It's just an HR newsletter.
I don't think anyone's rights are infringed upon per se (maybe they are, I'm not a civil rights lawyer), but I think what essentially amounts to sensitivity training is somewhat of a waste of time. Then again, I have a hard time relating to prejudiced assholes, so it's generally hard for me to understand why people need training for what seems to be common sense for me.
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I find it funny that I actually work for RBC and have heard nothing about this at all, nor is there anything regarding this on our internal intranet.
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miir wrote:I find it funny that I actually work for RBC and have heard nothing about this at all, nor is there anything regarding this on our internal intranet.
You just don't have Atokal's incredible searching skills!
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noel wrote:Atokal lives in Canada.
My God....and here I thought only the US bred idiots of that caliber.
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OK, found some info.

The 'Rainbow Space' pilot is part of the "Diversity for Growth and Innovation" program which includes programs for:
gender communication, cross cultural awareness, creating an inclusive work environment for persons with disabilities; mentoring and peer networks for persons with disabilities, aboriginal employees, and other elements of diversity; and work life supports including dependent care supports, health and wellness resources, etc

Fuck those minority groups for forcing their hateful equality agendas on us normal straight white folks.
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Arundel Pajo wrote:
noel wrote:Atokal lives in Canada.
My God....and here I thought only the US bred idiots of that caliber.
Are you reading my mind?
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so if you don't display the sticker, you're a hater?
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Miir I can appreciate that this may be a false article written for the Toronto Sun with no back up. Further I am sure that because you work for RBC and they didn't clear this little program with you that it could not possibly exist.

In terms of this being discriminatory, how about choosing not to wear the little button and thereby announce that you are not "a safe place" to talk.

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Columnist ... 61605.html

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This is the worst case of reverse discrimination I have ever seen. What if a Christian or someone of another faith decides to not wear the button. They are branded as a bigot or a homophobe?
No, it means that someone who is gay won't approach them for a loan. Or they still would, who cares. As for the worst you have ever seen, then IMO, thats pretty good.
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You just need to state that it doesn't match your decor or outfit and everyone will understand!
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Arundel Pajo wrote:*sigh*

1) It's in another country. I know that sometimes, it's hard to not think of Canada as just another state, but they really are their own sovereign nation.

2) What is the source for this? The tone of the article seems incredibly biased. For instance, I gather from reading this that anybody can elect to not display a sticker or button - the plan merely encourages people to do so if they elect to make their support known. I have a lot of straight friends who display such stickers on cars, etc..., however the author of this article goes off the deep end and draws some rather nasty conclusions.

3) Where are anybody's rights being infringed? An awareness and acceptance program like this may smack of silly HR bullshit, but nowhere does it impugn anybody's rights. Businesses saw much the same thing in the wake of racial desegregation. I don't see anything about preferenital "gay-only" hiring practices, promotions, pay-scale differences or the like. It's just an HR newsletter.
1. Are you mentally deficient? I know that as an American you have probably not travelled much outside of your country. You also believe that if it is not from America it doesn't count. But guess what genius, issues such as gay rights, terrorism and global warming are not just American issues. Wake up.

2. Placing a sticker on your car is your choice, it is not a program developed by some misguided idiot to further label, and cause division in the workplace. Someone driving around town without a fucking sticker is not going to be labeled, someone in the workplace with an employer supported program will be labelled.

3. Yes people can choose not to wear the button. Thus identifying them as... what... A homophobe, a gay basher, a Christian, etc. No matter how you look at it by choosing not to wear a button you are branded. I would suggest that they make more buttons so we can all be identified. How about a Black button, or a green button that identifies you as sympathetic to the jewish plight in Israel. Or a yellow button that identifies you as someone safe to talk to as you are in line with the Palestinian problem.
Hey lets make a purple button you can wear so people like Noel who like Barney can have a safe conversation about being a big family without facing ridicule.


Hey Noel how are you bud, doing well I see.
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Also, for it to be infringing on people's rights, they would have to be forced to wear the button, but they are not, they are given the choice.

Keep trying little buddy, you still have time to convince us that the gay community is evil.
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Atokal wrote:Miir I can appreciate that this may be a false article written for the Toronto Sun with no back up. Further I am sure that because you work for RBC and they didn't clear this little program with you that it could not possibly exist.

In terms of this being discriminatory, how about choosing not to wear the little button and thereby announce that you are not "a safe place" to talk.

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Columnist ... 61605.html

Your link for the source.
Could you not be an overbearing asshole for a single day? Your gay discrimination crusade is fucking gay (and not in the good way).

Edit: Never better, Jeffrey. Glad to see they still have connectivity in whatever hole you've spawned from.
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Haha, yeah I figured it was Michael Coren. He's good for a laugh.
Why does it not surprise me that you read the Sun?


Anyway, my first search was on the CM/Securities intranet.
When I searched the full site, I found one single memo on the entire program.

they didn't clear this little program with you that it could not possibly exist
I'm checking the company intranet, your moron.
It's a small scale pilot.
Read my last post.

In terms of this being discriminatory, how about choosing not to wear the little button and thereby announce that you are not "a safe place" to talk
Where does it mentionanything about wearing a button?
Is your head so full of shit that it's seeping out your eye sockets and preventing you from reading properly?

Nobody is trying to push an agenda on you.
This is much less invasive than 'affirmative action'.

Uising your logic, if you don't have a neon sign on your desk declaring I LOVE NIGGERS, you must be a racist.


There a difference between being gay-tolerant and gay-positive.
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I think it's a retarded idea because it shouldn't be a question that comes up. Any customer should be able to talk to any service provider, period. Why raise the issue at all.
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noel wrote:
Atokal wrote:Miir I can appreciate that this may be a false article written for the Toronto Sun with no back up. Further I am sure that because you work for RBC and they didn't clear this little program with you that it could not possibly exist.

In terms of this being discriminatory, how about choosing not to wear the little button and thereby announce that you are not "a safe place" to talk.

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Columnist ... 61605.html

Your link for the source.
Could you not be an overbearing asshole for a single day? Your gay discrimination crusade is fucking gay (and not in the good way).

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Noel this is not a gay discrimination campaign. Merely pointing out the inequities of life. For instance, if the RBC were to start a campaign to support oh say Christians and that people could show they are a "safe" person to talk to, the outcry would be incredible from the special interest groups. But trying to explain that to a mental midget such as yourself is truly pointless. I would support a Christian, Muslim, Jewish, sticker in the workplace as much as I support this one, not at all.

Btw Overbearing Asshole? Pot Kettle?

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OH NO THE FAGGOTS ARE TAKING OVER OUR FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS.

where is that article quoted from? stupid fucking paranoid homophobes weekly?
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Hey retard.
It's a pilot project.
Do you understand that concept?


I'm still laughing my ass off that you actually read the Sun. I didn't think anyone over the age of 14 'reads' the Sun. Even funnier that you quote a Michael Coren column. While I find his lunacy somewhat amusing, quoting him as a credible source of information is hillarious. This guy makes Ann Coulter look liek a pulitzer prize winner.
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miir wrote:
Uising your logic, if you don't have a neon sign on your desk declaring I LOVE NIGGERS, you must be a racist.
First of all you would not say I LOVE NIGGERS, I find that offensive. But if it were a company sponsored program you are damn right if you didn't display your sign prominently you would be branded.

miir wrote:There a difference between being gay-tolerant and gay-positive.
WHO FUCKING CARES, in the workplace I don't want gay or straight people talking to me about their sexual preferences. If I am gay-tolerant or gay-positive that is my choice and either way would not affect the way I do my job with gay co-workers. GET IT ??!?!?!?

Yeah cause I quoted one article it means I put down my money every morning and pick up the Toronto Sun to keep up on current world events. Dolt.
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kyoukan wrote:where is that article quoted from? stupid fucking paranoid homophobes weekly?
Michael Coren!!!!!!!
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I guess your limited mental capacity prevents you from understanding the purpose of a pilot project.



Maybe you should ask Michael Coren!
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miir wrote:
kyoukan wrote:where is that article quoted from? stupid fucking paranoid homophobes weekly?
Michael Coren!!!!!!!
that's what I said.
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kyoukan wrote:
miir wrote:
kyoukan wrote:where is that article quoted from? stupid fucking paranoid homophobes weekly?
Michael Coren!!!!!!!
that's what I said.
Admit it, you love that guy!
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Does your workplace have 'CHOMO ZONES' ?
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miir wrote:Does your workplace have 'CHOMO ZONES' ?
it has chomo zones, and all the chomo supporters have to wear stickers of a small child in the fetal position, weeping.
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Atokal wrote:Noel this is not a gay discrimination campaign. Merely pointing out the inequities of life. For instance, if the RBC were to start a campaign to support oh say Christians and that people could show they are a "safe" person to talk to, the outcry would be incredible from the special interest groups. But trying to explain that to a mental midget such as yourself is truly pointless. I would support a Christian, Muslim, Jewish, sticker in the workplace as much as I support this one, not at all.

Btw Overbearing Asshole? Pot Kettle?

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Mental midget?!?!

One second...

Actually it was YOU that started this thread about a pointless non-issue. The 'crusade' comment comes from the fact that your last several posts have all focused on gay issues. You're either a closet homosexual (it's ok if you are :)) or you're a fucking homophobe.

Why don't you focus your energy on something worthwhile like assisting a charity, helping to stop prejudice (real prejudice, not the ones you make up), or something worthwhile?
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Atokal wrote: 1. Are you mentally deficient? I know that as an American you have probably not travelled much outside of your country. You also believe that if it is not from America it doesn't count. But guess what genius, issues such as gay rights, terrorism and global warming are not just American issues. Wake up.

Actually, Toke... Until Noel cleared up your nationality for me, I was under the impression that you were located in the US. Were that the case, the nationality of the article/program in question would indeed be pretty fucking relevant. You simply cannot make the case as a citizen of Nation A that something going on in Nation B is trampling your rights as a citizen of Nation A... To wit, women in Saudi Arabia are barred from voting. This is not an infringement on the rights of American women to vote. Comprende?

However, it seems that is not the case. You're in Canada, this company/program is in Canada...so you just go right on with your bad indignant self. It's amusing, though, that your tirades here go 110% further in framing you as a bigot than not putting a little sticker on your desk would.
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Atokal wrote:WHO FUCKING CARES, in the workplace I don't want gay or straight people talking to me about their sexual preferences. If I am gay-tolerant or gay-positive that is my choice and either way would not affect the way I do my job with gay co-workers. GET IT ??!?!?!?

Yeah cause I quoted one article it means I put down my money every morning and pick up the Toronto Sun to keep up on current world events. Dolt.

Aww...sounds like somebody needs a hug!


...I'd offer one up myself, but I'm probably about 15 years too old.
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To me, the workplace doesnt seem like the place to do this. I especially dont beleive the company should be sponsoring this.
You dont discriminate, good, just dont give yourself fucking badges for it.
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Listening to the responses about this subject is very indicative of the liberal /socialist agenda sweeping the world. You people trying to force acceptance of a particular sect on everyone else is no different than a group forcing their hatred towards a particular sect.

You people scare the fuck out of me.

What does sexual preference have to do with work. You shouldn't have gay safe zones? Every zone should be safe. If people want to be guarded from hearing the word marriage then they need to go live in a cave. I'm sick and tired of the 10%'ers trying to change the way the 90%'ers live their life. The 10%'ers need to fucking learn to adapt to the world around them, not the other way around.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:I'm sick and tired of the 10%'ers trying to change the way the 90%'ers live their life. The 10%'ers need to fucking learn to adapt to the world around them, not the other way around.
Here's a clue. I'll even use your numbers to make it easier for you to understand.

The reason it's an issue at all is because the 90%'ers are discriminating against the 10%'ers. Even if the 90%'ers are really 90% (BONUS HINT: They're not.), it's still discrimination based on sexuality which is... wrong.
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Actually, I agree that discussion of *any* sexual nature, etc. in the workplace is inappropriate. You *shouldn't* need to go unduly out of your way to make anybody of any minority feel "safe", as everybody should feel safe already. For the record, I'm also anti-affirmative action - employees should be picked based solely on merit and fit for the job.

However... I fail to see how this is trampling any rights. It's just dumb HR nonsense, is all. And it's even less relevant to me personally and my rights as given to me by my constitution, as it is in a different country.

It most certainly isn't the lynchpin in the sinister Gay Agenda(tm).
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people trying to force acceptance of a particular sect on everyone else is no different than a group forcing their hatred towards a particular sect
Once again, your logic escapes me.


Anyhow, the whole issue is a big-fat-assfucking non issue because this is a pilot project at the bank.

If you're too stupid to understand the purpose of a pilot project, there is really no point in discussing this any further.
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Personally I don't think it has anything to do with discrimination etc... It's just a really bad marketing plan. Sound to me like they are trying to target fringe groups to make sure they get all the $$$ they can so they spend a lot of money to attract the Gay community.

IMHO most people who are gay will see through this and just ignore it. I doubt you have much to worry about.

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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:You people trying to force acceptance of a particular sect on everyone else is no different than a group forcing their hatred towards a particular sect.
I guess you just provided your twisted justification why you hate gays, libs and everyone not exactly like you.
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Call me a bigot but I see this whole thread as a series of over-reactions.

The sexual preference of the employees of RBC should be a concern to no one but themselves, as long as it does not impact their job performance. That RBC feels a need to address this in this fashion (pilot project or no) makes me raise an eyebrow: if people are sexually harassing or discriminating against others then it should be addressed, as per the laws against such actions. If not, who fucking cares?

Now if I was a shareholder and this program was taking up company resources I would probably have some concerns with the management of my investment, but thats for the shareholders and executives of RBC to figure out, not Michael Coren, Atokal or pretty much anyone else.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Listening to the responses about this subject is very indicative of the liberal /socialist agenda sweeping the world. You people trying to force acceptance of a particular sect on everyone else is no different than a group forcing their hatred towards a particular sect.

You people scare the fuck out of me.

What does sexual preference have to do with work. You shouldn't have gay safe zones? Every zone should be safe. If people want to be guarded from hearing the word marriage then they need to go live in a cave. I'm sick and tired of the 10%'ers trying to change the way the 90%'ers live their life. The 10%'ers need to fucking learn to adapt to the world around them, not the other way around.
If everyone thought like you we would still have slavery, still be ruled by a Monarch dictator, 10% adapt?
What about the 10% 50 years ago being called "nigger lovers"
What about the 10% that wanted the US to be free from England?
What about the 10% that have fought for equality for women
What about the 10% who wanted to bring about the Magna Carta
What about the 10% in Greece that wanted to establish a democracy?

If people trying to gain equal rights and acceptance make you sick, then you yourself are mentally ill, or a fascist

That 10 is on the rise, that 10% can turn into 20% then 30% then 60% then 95%, but a neocons tactic to suppress the 10% simply yearning for freedom, and history has shown this
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noel wrote:Discrimination within the workplace based on sexual preference is illegal, but I frankly don't care what the preferences are of my fellow employees.
Unfortunately, it's not illegal in the majority of the U.S. Only a handful of states protect employees from discrimination based on sexual preference or gender identity. See http://www.turnout.org for more info.
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I really hate this kind of "reverse discrimination" as Atokal calls it, the only comfort I get is that it's forced on all of us because of the inbred, bigoted hicks that hate it even more than I do.

All anyone wants is equality, but in the same way women feel they have to out perform men to be equal in the work place because it's full of mysoginistic assholes, so to the (probably straight) hippy douchbag feels the gays need to be overtly pandered to to feel welcome.

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The underlying truth to all of this is that the big banks in Canada like to stick it in the ass of the customers, charging them fees left right and centre, and claiming they provide a semblance of customer service, while simultaneously closing down as many branches as they can to cut costs.

I think it's only natural that this tranposes in to the culture in society where getting it in the ass is common place.

So really this boils down to an amazing marketing scheme on their part! Why I'm sure you'll see TD/CT, CIBC and BOM all doing the same too!

Huzzah big banks!

PS - For those of you that might take this out of context, I'm being fascetious, and I also work at one of the big banks here in Canada.
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Xzion- wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Listening to the responses about this subject is very indicative of the liberal /socialist agenda sweeping the world. You people trying to force acceptance of a particular sect on everyone else is no different than a group forcing their hatred towards a particular sect.

You people scare the fuck out of me.

What does sexual preference have to do with work. You shouldn't have gay safe zones? Every zone should be safe. If people want to be guarded from hearing the word marriage then they need to go live in a cave. I'm sick and tired of the 10%'ers trying to change the way the 90%'ers live their life. The 10%'ers need to fucking learn to adapt to the world around them, not the other way around.
If everyone thought like you we would still have slavery, still be ruled by a Monarch dictator, 10% adapt?
What about the 10% 50 years ago being called "nigger lovers"
What about the 10% that wanted the US to be free from England?
What about the 10% that have fought for equality for women
What about the 10% who wanted to bring about the Magna Carta
What about the 10% in Greece that wanted to establish a democracy?

If people trying to gain equal rights and acceptance make you sick, then you yourself are mentally ill, or a fascist

That 10 is on the rise, that 10% can turn into 20% then 30% then 60% then 95%, but a neocons tactic to suppress the 10% simply yearning for freedom, and history has shown this

Oh so graphic and effective on the stupid. Having politically correct ssafe zones where gays can just hang with gays and just buy from and deal with gays and not have to hear the word marriage cause it might offend them, does not compare in the fucking slightest to slavery. Not even close.

You want to make an apples to apples comparison? Try saying soething about having a black person joke free zones in the workplace. Then you could have black person joke free zone symbols. Where a black person could see the sign and know this is a safe place to hang out.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Michael Coren.

http://www.iconoclast.ca/coren/content.asp

Biased? Why yes, yes it is! The guy hosts a show on CTS (Christian channel up here). Also, the Toronto Sun is about as right-wing as it gets up here in terms of "credible" exposure. It's the paper that people usually laugh at because of their shock-tactic attempts at headlines. Besides, Atokal reads it, that's enough right there for proof.

The article itself opped to leave out valuable facts concerning the program. Is it all nice and dandy? No, I doubt it. It never is when you try and work for change I'd bet.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Xzion- wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Listening to the responses about this subject is very indicative of the liberal /socialist agenda sweeping the world. You people trying to force acceptance of a particular sect on everyone else is no different than a group forcing their hatred towards a particular sect.

You people scare the fuck out of me.

What does sexual preference have to do with work. You shouldn't have gay safe zones? Every zone should be safe. If people want to be guarded from hearing the word marriage then they need to go live in a cave. I'm sick and tired of the 10%'ers trying to change the way the 90%'ers live their life. The 10%'ers need to fucking learn to adapt to the world around them, not the other way around.
If everyone thought like you we would still have slavery, still be ruled by a Monarch dictator, 10% adapt?
What about the 10% 50 years ago being called "nigger lovers"
What about the 10% that wanted the US to be free from England?
What about the 10% that have fought for equality for women
What about the 10% who wanted to bring about the Magna Carta
What about the 10% in Greece that wanted to establish a democracy?

If people trying to gain equal rights and acceptance make you sick, then you yourself are mentally ill, or a fascist

That 10 is on the rise, that 10% can turn into 20% then 30% then 60% then 95%, but a neocons tactic to suppress the 10% simply yearning for freedom, and history has shown this

Oh so graphic and effective on the stupid. Having politically correct ssafe zones where gays can just hang with gays and just buy from and deal with gays and not have to hear the word marriage cause it might offend them, does not compare in the fucking slightest to slavery. Not even close.

You want to make an apples to apples comparison? Try saying soething about having a black person joke free zones in the workplace. Then you could have black person joke free zone symbols. Where a black person could see the sign and know this is a safe place to hang out.
goddammit dude you cant even interprit your own godamn quote "I'm sick and tired of the 10%'ers trying to change the way the 90%'ers live their life. The 10%'ers need to fucking learn to adapt to the world around them, not the other way around"
My response was to THAT not gay zones.
Of course gay zones are bullshit, but if it wasnt for fucking rednecks who are insecure with there sexuality trying to opress everyone who isnt exactlly like them there wouldnt be any gay zones
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Xzion- wrote: What about the 10% 50 years ago being called "nigger lovers"
What about the 10% that wanted the US to be free from England?
What about the 10% that have fought for equality for women
In order....

Black people are people. Their population percentage can increase through reproduction.

More than 10% wanted to be free from england.

Women are 50+% of the population.

Gays will always be 10% or less. The population won't replenish itself otherwise. Gay's are an abnormality. An accepted fuckup. No different than all of us knowing a certain percentage will be born unfortunately with downs syndrome, blind, deaf, etc.
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Just like Mid was born with some type of brain disease. 10% might be gay, but I would bet at least 50% accept and approve it.
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