Don't let Kerry re-write history

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » October 6, 2004, 2:30 pm

Trying like hell to find a recent time the IRA has threatened to kill the American infidels.

Therefore, they aren't compareable. Not fucking rocket science you numbskulls. A little logic and common sense goes a long way

Of course they have not threatened the US. You finance them!

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » October 6, 2004, 3:23 pm

Midnyte wrote: The source is Bush's State of the Union address in Sept. 2001.

there was no state of the union address in sept. 2001.

archeiron · Post by **archeiron** » October 6, 2004, 3:31 pm

Xyun wrote:
Midnyte wrote: The source is Bush's State of the Union address in Sept. 2001.
there was no state of the union address in sept. 2001.

The actual source of his original quotes is the President addressing a joint session of Congress on September 20, 2001.

The links can be found here

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » October 6, 2004, 3:52 pm

Xyun wrote:
Midnyte wrote: The source is Bush's State of the Union address in Sept. 2001.
there was no state of the union address in sept. 2001.

Semantics.

Address to a Joint Session of Congress and the American People
September 20, 2001

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » October 6, 2004, 4:48 pm

So tell me, are you honestly surprised an organization you fund doesn't give you threats? Then again I can understand that with the success you've had with bin Laden, Hussein etc..

archeiron · Post by **archeiron** » October 6, 2004, 4:53 pm

archeiron wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:The fact that they have been quiet for over 7 years does have everything to do with it. They are not compareable. One is a current threat to the world, one is not.

Move on to another distraction.
I will concede that the current activity level of Hamas makes them a higher priority if you will concede that your line of thinking would have warranted making IRA an equal or higher priority if their activity today was that of seven years ago.

For Midnyte... bump!

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » October 6, 2004, 5:06 pm

I love you Arch, you know that, but I hate when you do that bump shit.

Anyways, no I won't concede that. I am not knowledgable enough on that topic. Shoulda woulda coulda may be enough for you to make claims, but for me I just assume stick to the facts. Fact is as a global terror threat, the IRA, as far as I know hasn't been heard from since 1997. I don't see them on TV beheading people, I don't see them car bombing soldiers, women and children. I don't see them killing school students in Russia. I don't see them making claims they will kill in the name of Allah those infidels and non-believers. So kindly STFU with the IRA distraction.

Kel, I did a little research and your claims the US supports the IRA have just as much evidence behind them as does the Bush knowingly lied to the American people thing.

Personally I am grateful the Clinton administration made it a priority to help end the violence in Ireland.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » October 6, 2004, 5:10 pm

The US government doesn't. Check into certain population groups in the Boston era in particular.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » October 6, 2004, 5:17 pm

Kelshara wrote:The US government doesn't. Check into certain population groups in the Boston era in particular.

You should be more specific the first time you make such accusations. It is reckless to make such broad generalized claims like " The US", when you know it is private groups.

I kind of agree with you. I think the government maybe should look into the funneling of funds form US based groups to terror organizations. Even those that do not pose a direct threat to the US itself. Then again, it goes into the realm of is the US then imposing it's morailty upon others nations, blah blah blah. Always a tough quandry. Each one should be looked at individually.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » October 6, 2004, 5:28 pm

Ah but al Qaeda isn't government funded in Iraq and although they were sheltered by Taliban they did not pay for them. Most of Hamas' funding comes from outsiders as well (not to mention Hamas is no threat to the US nor are they a global world threat).

Of course, we could start listing all the dictators or organizations that they US has supported up through the years. That would be a long and ugly list.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » October 6, 2004, 5:55 pm

Kelshara wrote:Ah but al Qaeda isn't government funded in Iraq and although they were sheltered by Taliban they did not pay for them. Most of Hamas' funding comes from outsiders as well (not to mention Hamas is no threat to the US nor are they a global world threat).

Of course, we could start listing all the dictators or organizations that they US has supported up through the years. That would be a long and ugly list.

There are tons of quotes from Hamas leaders threatening Americans. I quoted one earlier in this thread. Yes, the US has strategically supported some leaders and some of them have turned out no so good in the end. No one is claiming perfection.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » October 6, 2004, 9:32 pm

There are people from every country in the world (including US itself) that have threatened Americans. That do not make them a global threat.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » October 6, 2004, 9:43 pm

Kelshara wrote:There are people from every country in the world (including US itself) that have threatened Americans. That do not make them a global threat.

It is indeed a clever game when one plays the game you play. When using bullshit reasoning you could effectively stagnate any action from ever taking place. It is this reason people fear candidates like Kerry, who folllow that exact mindset. They have such little convictions that they could talk themselves into absolute inaction. I pity you if this is a trait you admire.

archeiron · Post by **archeiron** » October 6, 2004, 11:55 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:It is indeed a clever game when one plays the game you play. When using bullshit reasoning you could effectively stagnate any action from ever taking place. It is this reason people fear candidates like Kerry, who folllow that exact mindset. They have such little convictions that they could talk themselves into absolute inaction. I pity you if this is a trait you admire.

Click me

Your arguments within this thread lack rational reasonable substantance. You are not speaking with a coherent line of reasoning. You have been unable to carrying out intelligent discourse without resorting to insults.

I would suggest that you begin again. Explain what you believe the correct policy agenda to be and why. Do not rely exclusively upon quotes from other people. I am not opposed to action, but I would like to hear a sound mind offer logical justification. I do not believe that you have even expressed what yours is, or even that you have any. You seem to be taking this on faith; global politics is not a spiritual excercise.

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » October 7, 2004, 12:21 am

You know, I used to constantly think "My god, I have to do SOMETHING!" but it turns out I was just obsessive compulsive.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » October 7, 2004, 8:06 pm

It is indeed a clever game when one plays the game you play. When using bullshit reasoning you could effectively stagnate any action from ever taking place. It is this reason people fear candidates like Kerry, who folllow that exact mindset. They have such little convictions that they could talk themselves into absolute inaction. I pity you if this is a trait you admire.

I love how you basically do a cut and paste of this every time you run out of arguments.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » October 7, 2004, 9:13 pm

Kelshara wrote:
It is indeed a clever game when one plays the game you play. When using bullshit reasoning you could effectively stagnate any action from ever taking place. It is this reason people fear candidates like Kerry, who folllow that exact mindset. They have such little convictions that they could talk themselves into absolute inaction. I pity you if this is a trait you admire.
I love how you basically do a cut and paste of this every time you run out of arguments.

I love how every time I try and point out this very important flaw, you follow it to the tee.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » October 7, 2004, 10:01 pm

What flaw is that? Coming up with arguments you can't refute? Speaking the truth? Not being sold on narrowminded neocon spins?

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » October 8, 2004, 12:04 am

I think the government maybe should look into the funneling of funds form US based groups to terror organizations. Even those that do not pose a direct threat to the US itself. Then again, it goes into the realm of is the US then imposing it's morailty upon others nations, blah blah blah.

Very interesting thought here. You are against the US imposing its morality on others, such as your government acting against organizations who rasied funds for the IRA. How do you explain your support of your government toppling another the government of another country and imposing its own values on the people like say in Iraq?