About Giuliani

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 24, 2004, 7:09 pm

Sirton wrote:Kelsh. he let it pass the following year the patient bill of rights. Yea he did veto it before and said it was a mistake, but it was mainly about other parts of the bill.

That is what I don't get though. From what I have read, Kerry has changed his vote due to add-ons etc to bills. How is that different than this?

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » September 24, 2004, 7:39 pm

Kelshara from what Im trying to remember. Bush veto'd it the first time because there were major concerns about lawsuit abuse in parts of it, which he is also against.

He was for the main part of the bill. He told them to fix it and bring it back next session. He is the Executive remember, so they went back to fix it. He was never against the patient bill of rights.

Two years later they partially fixed it and he let it pass.

He saw that it helped in Texas and was a good bill, so hes for it nationally aswell..thats why this partisan site is mis-leading. Might aswell drink F9/11 Koolaid.

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » September 24, 2004, 7:58 pm

Sirton,
I think you need to re-read Kelshara's post. The point is not why Bush was reasonable in taking his actions and signing a bill he previously vetoed. As I indicated at the top of this thread - that is perfectly normal politics because of our "amendment" style of legislation. The question is, why is it ok when Bush does this and evil "flip-flopping" when Kerry does the same thing?

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » September 24, 2004, 8:08 pm

they arent the same bills

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 24, 2004, 8:11 pm

So it is ok in one case and not the other? Even though Bush has changed his mind on some of the same bills as Kerry did? Why not just come out and say it straight out that it is ok for Bush to do it and not for Kerry?

Thess · Post by **Thess** » September 24, 2004, 8:12 pm

Sirton wrote:they arent the same bills

Neither are the bills Kerry voted on.

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » September 24, 2004, 10:52 pm

Its politics when it gets down to it..while I agree much of its sorta stretching it for Kerry.. Much of that is also stretching on Bush. its what they want to tell you to motivate you to vote for there guy and a ton of BS and to demotivate you too vote for the other guy.

I do have a major prob. with Kerry's different statements on Iraq over just the past year.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » September 25, 2004, 9:33 am

Sirton wrote:On gay marrage he still believes its a state issue, but activist judges not the state is forcing him to change his position. If it was the state legislations it would be different.

lol, nice try man

on a seperate note Before he starts dissing "activist judges" he better step back and remember who elected him president, because it wasnt the american people

Mak · Post by **Mak** » September 25, 2004, 12:14 pm

Didn't Guliani shack up with a mistress the last year of his marriage or something like that?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · September 25, 2004, 12:31 pm

Xzion wrote:
Sirton wrote:On gay marrage he still believes its a state issue, but activist judges not the state is forcing him to change his position. If it was the state legislations it would be different.

lol, nice try man

on a seperate note Before he starts dissing "activist judges" he better step back and remember who elected him president, because it wasnt the american people

Man you need to get over that. I don't know how many times people have posted here that the judges put a stop to the very subjective recount. That's it. Nothing more. Just stop you're crying already.

Badabidi · Post by **Badabidi** » September 25, 2004, 4:31 pm

If I recall correctly, you voted for Bush in 2000, Xzion?

Xzion- · Post by **Xzion-** » September 25, 2004, 4:57 pm

Badabidi wrote:If I recall correctly, you voted for Bush in 2000, Xzion?

yes, although i just turned 18 and didnt bother to register, so i didnt actually vote
(it said my old password expired when i tryed to log in, and the old name i believe is registered under an inactive email adress...so i posted under a new name)

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » September 25, 2004, 8:53 pm

Mak wrote:Didn't Guliani shack up with a mistress the last year of his marriage or something like that?

I guess that makes him a Democrat!

Guliani/Gary Hart in 2008!

btw...I was all for a Gephart/Hart ticket in 1988 if they would run under the "Hart Foundation" title. Lets see if any of you actually get that reference....

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » September 25, 2004, 8:58 pm

WWF

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 25, 2004, 8:59 pm

Bret Hart and Jim Neidhart.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » September 25, 2004, 9:04 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:
Mak wrote:Didn't Guliani shack up with a mistress the last year of his marriage or something like that?
I guess that makes him a Democrat!

Guliani/Gary Hart in 2008!

btw...I was all for a Gephart/Hart ticket in 1988 if they would run under the "Hart Foundation" title. Lets see if any of you actually get that reference....

I've found it to be about equal democrats and republicans with (outted) mistresses. The difference is - republicans are our 'family values' people.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 26, 2004, 12:38 am

Thess wrote:
I've found it to be about equal democrats and republicans with (outted) mistresses. The difference is - republicans are our 'family values' people.

Exactly! It's ok for democrats like Bill Clinton to stick cigars in pussies, get blow jobs, etc from interns and then be stuck sleeping on the couch while your family is pissed at you during the time you should be making strike decisions on Osama in Afghanistan. He's a democrat. Family values don't matter. All is OK.

Hmmm, I'll take the republican side on this one. If Hillary was ok with him fucking around it would be a different story but from Bill's own words in his book, that wasn't the case.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » September 26, 2004, 9:51 am

kyoukan wrote:name any issue in this political campaign and I will post what kerry's position is right from his website. we just went over this two days ago. even fucking goldfish have a longer memory than you.

just because you keep blabbering like a fucking idiot over it doesn't make it true.

Good thing you have the time required to check Kerry's website every 15 mins or so to make sure he hasn't changed his mind on any given issue.

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » September 26, 2004, 10:12 am

G is the man.

Gotta love any mayor who refits all the benches in Central Park with hand-railings every 2 feet from left to right so that homeless people can't sleep on em.

In fact, that cured the homeless problem right there!

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » September 26, 2004, 10:13 am

Winnow wrote:
Thess wrote:
I've found it to be about equal democrats and republicans with (outted) mistresses. The difference is - republicans are our 'family values' people.
Exactly! It's ok for democrats like Bill Clinton to stick cigars in pussies, get blow jobs, etc from interns and then be stuck sleeping on the couch while your family is pissed at you during the time you should be making strike decisions on Osama in Afghanistan. He's a democrat. Family values don't matter. All is OK.

Hmmm, I'll take the republican side on this one. If Hillary was ok with him fucking around it would be a different story but from Bill's own words in his book, that wasn't the case.

Right, cause it's cool as shit to be a hypocrite. Go phants!