OMG! Death Penalty Flip Flopper

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » September 17, 2004, 7:09 pm

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... _execution

WASHINGTON (AFP) - More than 100 US death row inmates have been exonerated since the Supreme Court reinstated capital punishment in 1976, and many of the prisoners were freed thanks to the emergence DNA technology, according to a report.

I admit it. I'm a flip-flopper. I used to be an unabashed supporter of the Death Penalty.

Somewhere in the last decade I gradually came to believe that the Death Penalty is a bad societal choice. This news article presents one important reason. I don't expect human justice to be infallible. But once you've executed someone it's a bit hard to apologize for a wrongful conviction.

Truly however, my feelings have shifted due to my Christianity. God allows human society to use a death penalty. It's entirely within the realm of self-determination He has programmed for the human race. But so much of Jesus' story was of mercy and unintended consequences. It's more "God-like" to show mercy and merely imprison the guilty.

This is not a hot-button issue for me and I don't condemn those people who still support the Death Penalty. But in voting situations I will support the reduction and/or abolition of this ultimate human judgement.

miir · Post by **miir** » September 17, 2004, 7:12 pm

I don't think that the death penalty is an effective deterrant to crime.

With the evolution of DNA testing/evidence, you will see fewer and fewer innocent people put to death... which makes capital punishment seem a little less barbaric.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 17, 2004, 7:20 pm

There are some criminals who cannot be rehabilitated and will continue to prey upon the innocent unless they are kept contained. I'd rather see these types put to death than kept incarcerated where they can affect other lesser criminals.

Markulas · Post by **Markulas** » September 17, 2004, 7:29 pm

I only agree with the death penalty in repeated homicides.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » September 17, 2004, 7:30 pm

besides the fact that it cost more to execute someone then to keep them in jail for alifetime, it is inhumane, it is in noway a deterrent to murder (any murderer's motives are so strong, or just flat out mentally insane) and it is arguably more of a punishment to spend a lifetime in prison, also being that the system is incredibly unfair, your accused under questionable evidence for one murder and you get friend, another dude kills 25 people, with strong evidence and gets 20 years in minimal security prison then the rest of his life as a free man for living in a different state...ask yourself this question, if we can save JUST ONE innocent mans life by abolishing the death penalty, is it worth it?

also all christians who support the death penality are the greatest of hypocrites and not in any way true to there religion, a Christian that believes in the death penalty should not even be called a Christian, remember jesus? And that cross?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 17, 2004, 7:32 pm

For all of the strong cases with confirmed DNA evidence, kill them and charge the cost of the bullet to Xzion.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » September 17, 2004, 7:51 pm

Repeat homicide or child rape (can't be 18 year old fucks 16 year old) with confirmed DNA, kill them dead

Midnyte_Ragebringer · September 17, 2004, 8:49 pm

Markulas wrote:I only agree with the death penalty in repeated homicides.

LOL. Only people who kill more than once deserve to die? /boggle

If you murder someone then you have seized to have any societal value and should die soonish.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » September 17, 2004, 8:55 pm

I don't agree with the death penalty.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » September 17, 2004, 9:15 pm

Xzion wrote:besides the fact that it cost more to execute someone then to keep them in jail for alifetime...

Sure you don't have that backwards?

If not, I would like to see how long ago that changed. Also, does the cost of execution include the cost of holding a person until the big day as well as court costs for appeals?

Markulas · Post by **Markulas** » September 17, 2004, 9:40 pm

lol yeah I should have explained why I think it should be for repeated. I think homicides can be set up even with DNA evidence at least once. So if it happens again fuck em.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » September 17, 2004, 9:45 pm

I voted yes but only for mass murderers, or for inhumane murders, who are found guilty 100%. IE Manson, McVey (?).

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » September 17, 2004, 11:26 pm

Only for mass murders, inhumane murders, or multiple murders?
When I snap, please send me an email with your address so I can kill one of you at random using a non painful method of execution such as making you pass out from ether before slitting your throat or putting a bullet in the back of your head.

The death penalty isn't a deterent? You don't see them comitting the crime again, do you?

also all christians who support the death penality are the greatest of hypocrites and not in any way true to there religion, a Christian that believes in the death penalty should not even be called a Christian, remember jesus? And that cross?

Yeah, I do, he's the guy that was ordained to die for our sins.
We also have laws, and rules, that the Bible says we are to follow. Something along the lines of you follow man's laws and you follow God's law.

What in the hell is wrong with you people? If someone kills someone and it's not done in self defense, that person should probably die. There's no going back - you murder someone, you always WILL be a murderer. You rape someone - you always WILL be a rapist. Sure, you may never do it again, but why in the world would I trust my family with you? Why in the world would I want you to be alive and posing a risk to my life, my family, my pets, or my friends?

My stance on the penalty is this: DNA evidence required, and it's gotta be something substantial. IMO, ANYONE serving a life sentance or a death sentance or any sentance longer than 15 years for any major crime (rape, armed robbery, murder, kidnapping) should get automatic DNA tests. If the DNA evidence confirms it, kill the person. I don't want to pay for some piece of society's shit to live more comfortably than our homeless and a lot of our nation's poor. It isn't right that if you kill someone you are treated better than some poor sap that lost his or her home, job, and any means to support his or her self.

I don't even see the necessity of making sure it's a clean kill. Bring back the gillotine. Bring back the bullet to the head trick. Bring back old sparky. Kick them out of a 20th story window onto broken glass. Want it to be a deterent? Make it more painful than just getting a shot. You don't deserve dignity for murder or rape. I can forgive you - I am pretty sure of that - but that doesn't mean I don't think you should be punished for your transgressions.

Once they're convicted on strong DNA evidence, end it. They are not worth my tax money to keep them alive the rest of their lives.

edit: the 'a lot' filter can blow me.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » September 18, 2004, 12:07 am

I'm not going to take the time to research it to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, but I have read repeatedly that it costs a ton more to execute a person than to house them 50 years in high security. Of course it has to do the fees charged by the lawyers who make regular and repeated appeals. It is not uncommon for a person to spend a decade or more on death row. The lawyers bill by the hour. Death penalty cases require hundreds or thousands of hours of attorney time.

There is no way to install an appeal-proof system to limit appeals. Judges accept appeals based on the merest shred of evidence because a person's life is at stake. And it turns out the appeals are successful a meaningful percentage of the time. Whether from new evidence or revised standards of evidence and guilt a lot of these convicted felons have their penalties reduced to prison sentances.

One last uncomfortable fact is the prevalence of black people sentenced to die. The ratio is higher than their population density by a really stark amount. My belief is they don't get the quality of legal representation to keep them off death row. Or perhaps they don't get the deals cut?

The only positive thing I've found about the death penalty is one of those sideways things that really shouldn't count. Too many "life" sentences are something less. I would feel a lot better about justice if we had some prisons for the people that not only rate a life without parole sentence but also one where they are ostracized from society. People like Timothy McVeigh and Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer could rot in hellish conditions without any creature comforts and that would be appropriate justice.

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » September 18, 2004, 12:20 am

newp.

I do however support a person convicted for life without parole the opportunity to be euthanized if faced with a terminal illness.

Rehabilitation might not work, but vengance is barbaric. Sure, kill my friend in front of me and I will want to kill you with my bare hands - that's a natural human reaction. I forego my right for vengance however, as I choose to live in a society that protects my (albeit white) ass, and promises (in theory) to serve justice on those found guilty.

As part of a society where we have the ability to seperate those who would hurt us repeatedly, it is not necessary to serve the ultimate punishment on someone. Ever. The recent slew of overturned death penalty cases due to innocence proved through DNA ilustrates that.

I would like to see stiff, enforced penalties for felons who cross the line, violate restraining orders, break paraole with mandatory returns to the slammer for multiple year stints. Of course, tough to do that, especially in california when we have all those dangerous weed smokers taking up teh rooms.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » September 18, 2004, 12:21 am

Akaran_D wrote:Only for mass murders, inhumane murders, or multiple murders?
When I snap, please send me an email with your address so I can kill one of you at random using a non painful method of execution such as making you pass out from ether before slitting your throat or putting a bullet in the back of your head.

The death penalty isn't a deterent? You don't see them comitting the crime again, do you?

also all christians who support the death penality are the greatest of hypocrites and not in any way true to there religion, a Christian that believes in the death penalty should not even be called a Christian, remember jesus? And that cross?
Yeah, I do, he's the guy that was ordained to die for our sins.
We also have laws, and rules, that the Bible says we are to follow. Something along the lines of you follow man's laws and you follow God's law.

What in the hell is wrong with you people? If someone kills someone and it's not done in self defense, that person should probably die. There's no going back - you murder someone, you always WILL be a murderer. You rape someone - you always WILL be a rapist. Sure, you may never do it again, but why in the world would I trust my family with you? Why in the world would I want you to be alive and posing a risk to my life, my family, my pets, or my friends?

My stance on the penalty is this: DNA evidence required, and it's gotta be something substantial. IMO, ANYONE serving a life sentance or a death sentance or any sentance longer than 15 years for any major crime (rape, armed robbery, murder, kidnapping) should get automatic DNA tests. If the DNA evidence confirms it, kill the person. I don't want to pay for some piece of society's shit to live more comfortably than our homeless and a lot of our nation's poor. It isn't right that if you kill someone you are treated better than some poor sap that lost his or her home, job, and any means to support his or her self.

I don't even see the necessity of making sure it's a clean kill. Bring back the gillotine. Bring back the bullet to the head trick. Bring back old sparky. Kick them out of a 20th story window onto broken glass. Want it to be a deterent? Make it more painful than just getting a shot. You don't deserve dignity for murder or rape. I can forgive you - I am pretty sure of that - but that doesn't mean I don't think you should be punished for your transgressions.

Once they're convicted on strong DNA evidence, end it. They are not worth my tax money to keep them alive the rest of their lives.

edit: the 'a lot' filter can blow me.

I feel the same way about people who take lives BUT, do you actually believe there is no hope for someone that kills another while DUI? Do you believe that a person can't rehabilitate after a crime of passion? What happened to forgiveness? Did it go out the window?

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » September 18, 2004, 12:38 am

Maybe they could be. But you don't get life in prison for crimes of passion. You don't normally get life in prison for DUI kills.

If it's something you'd get life for, you should get death instead.

Like I said. I can forgive, but I'm still going to punish. You forgive your kids, but you still ground them.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 18, 2004, 1:23 am

It's less humane to force a human to sit in a cell for life than to kill them.

At the very least, anyone in prison should have the option to request death.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » September 18, 2004, 4:09 am

Winnow wrote:It's less humane to force a human to sit in a cell for life than to kill them.

At the very least, anyone in prison should have the option to request death.

Even if your in prison...IF your too stupid to find a way to commit suicide (if you so wish) then you deserve to live a shitty life behind a cell until you could find such way to do so

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » September 18, 2004, 4:48 am

In a perfect society where only the guilty were ever convicted of serious crimes, I would be 100% for the death penalty in a lot of cases. Knowing how the legal system has already fucked over a lot of innocent people and how local politics can railroad innocent persons into jails, I think you simply have to go with second time offenders with physical evidence against them and streamline the appeals process.

I don't have a problem with the notion of vengence, since our whole rehabilitation approach is seriously fucked anyhow. I do not, however, feel that any system should be put in place that would potentially kill the innocent. The death penalty may not be a detterent, but dead criminals do not commit more crimes.

Markulas · Post by **Markulas** » September 18, 2004, 1:08 pm

I'd have to kill you in self defense.

Drolgin Steingrinder · September 18, 2004, 1:45 pm

Jice Virago wrote:In a perfect society where only the guilty were ever convicted of serious crimes, I would be 100% for the death penalty in a lot of cases. Knowing how the legal system has already fucked over a lot of innocent people and how local politics can railroad innocent persons into jails, I think you simply have to go with second time offenders with physical evidence against them and streamline the appeals process.

That's the reason why I could never, ever, support the death penalty. In the case where an innocent person was convicted and executed, what then? Oops, mea fucking culpa?

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » September 18, 2004, 3:08 pm

From a Christian standpoint Akaran is correct. Christians are suppose to follow God's Law and Man's Law.

We live in a physical universe of cause and effect. In order to have a civil society there must be deterrants to brutal attacks on that society. In those cases the death penality can be a good deterrant... however that point can be argued... I'm always willing to listen on this one as it has tugged at my heart for many years.

However the laws of our country currently state that if you murder someone in cold blood and they can prove it you are probably going to physically die. Now what Christians have to do is to focus on the physical. Yup, they are going to bite the bullet but Christ's death and resurrection can assure them salvation in the afterlife if they believe, ask for, accept that forgiveness and turn away from their past wrong doings. That does NOT MEAN they still don't diserve to are going to die based upon man's law. Man's law is based upon keeping society civil... Of course some Neoevangelicles tried to get this murder off death row a couple of years ago in TX... I thought that was really interesting but from what they normally preach I wasn't sure what they were trying to accomplished. Their main goal is to "win souls" they had done that and now she was going on way before them to somewhere better... maybe that's it, it was really jealously

who knows...

Marb

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 18, 2004, 3:09 pm

If strong DNA evidence is there along with a solid case, they need to die. This second time offender stuff reminds me of Kerry's policy on terrorism...reactionary...lets wait for more to die before doing something. That's a horrible position to take.

If there's any doubt at all, give them life. They'll be out on the streets in 25 years even with the death penatly on average.

Average time served for aggravated murder (including those on death row): 25 years

Average time served for life sentence for murder: 19 years.

It must be nice to go say hello to the person that raped and murdered your daughter 19 years later. Now they have a crack at daughter #2. If they're successful and you both live long enough, perhaps you'll see them in another 19 years.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » September 18, 2004, 3:22 pm

I think it is more of a punishment to live in that 8x8 cell for the rest of your life. Death is the easy thing to do. The only reason I would agree with the death penalty is because then we wouldn't have to pay for that criminal to live the rest of his life.

Besides, ultimately it is not for us to judge. If you believe that kind of thing.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » September 18, 2004, 3:24 pm

Well, look at it this way.
If you don't beleive in Heaven or Hell, what greater punishment can there be except for competely removing 'you' from reality, never to see, feel, hear, or experience another thing again? The ultimate power off. You are gone. Your consciousness ceases.

Going into the void is the worse punishment I can imagine, even greater than that of Hell.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 18, 2004, 3:28 pm

"I don't know what's gonna happen man, but I tell you this; I just wanna get my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames."
- Jim Morrison

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » September 18, 2004, 3:47 pm

Winnow wrote:"I don't know what's gonna happen man, but I tell you this; I just wanna get my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames."
- Jim Morrison

burns...not goes up in flames...

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 18, 2004, 4:45 pm

Arborealus wrote:
Winnow wrote:"I don't know what's gonna happen man, but I tell you this; I just wanna get my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames."
- Jim Morrison
burns...not goes up in flames...

In the live version I have off of the album, An American Prayer, he says flames : ) I like flames better.

...Alright! Alright! Alright!
Hey, listen! Listen! Listen, man! listen, man!
I don't know how many you people believe in astrology...

Yeah, that's right...that's right, baby, I...I am a
Sagittarius
The most philosophical of all the signs
But anyway, I don't believe in it
I think it's a bunch of bullshit, myself
But I tell you this, man, I tell you this
I don't know what's gonna happen, man, but I wanna get
my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames
Alright!

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » September 18, 2004, 4:53 pm

Hrrrm now i gotta dig out my vinyl...you're prolly right though I think its been 12 years since I listened to it...i can so hear burns in my head...

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » September 18, 2004, 5:37 pm

Winnow wrote:If strong DNA evidence is there along with a solid case, they need to die. This second time offender stuff reminds me of Kerry's policy on terrorism...reactionary...lets wait for more to die before doing something. That's a horrible position to take.

If there's any doubt at all, give them life. They'll be out on the streets in 25 years even with the death penatly on average.

Average time served for aggravated murder (including those on death row): 25 years

Average time served for life sentence for murder: 19 years.

It must be nice to go say hello to the person that raped and murdered your daughter 19 years later. Now they have a crack at daughter #2. If they're successful and you both live long enough, perhaps you'll see them in another 19 years.

How many times do you know of a person serving a life sentence for murder and then, after release being accused a second time of murder?

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » September 18, 2004, 5:40 pm

Xzion wrote:
Winnow wrote:If strong DNA evidence is there along with a solid case, they need to die. This second time offender stuff reminds me of Kerry's policy on terrorism...reactionary...lets wait for more to die before doing something. That's a horrible position to take.

If there's any doubt at all, give them life. They'll be out on the streets in 25 years even with the death penatly on average.

Average time served for aggravated murder (including those on death row): 25 years

Average time served for life sentence for murder: 19 years.

It must be nice to go say hello to the person that raped and murdered your daughter 19 years later. Now they have a crack at daughter #2. If they're successful and you both live long enough, perhaps you'll see them in another 19 years.
How many times do you know of a person serving a life sentence for murder and then, after release being accused a second time of murder?

Ummm, in like 1 millisecond I thought of Willie Horton...

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 18, 2004, 7:07 pm

in illinois alone something like 25 death row inmates were released last year after new forensics techniques and a non all-white jury proved their innocence beyond a shadow of a doubt. I do not have enough faith in the current justice system to support a death penalty.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 19, 2004, 12:49 pm

Sure you don't have that backwards?

If not, I would like to see how long ago that changed. Also, does the cost of execution include the cost of holding a person until the big day as well as court costs for appeals?

Death penalty costs way more than life sentence. Plenty of research done on it and can be found on the web. Automatic appeals etc to make sure no mistakes were done drive up the price. Google is your friend.

The death penalty isn't a deterent? You don't see them comitting the crime again, do you?

It is not a deterrent for others no. People who comit murder either think they are too smart to be caught, or they don't consider the option at all.

It has also been researched that a lot of murderers consider life in jail a way worse punishment than death. So should you want them to get off easy?

If you don't beleive in Heaven or Hell, what greater punishment can there be except for competely removing 'you' from reality, never to see, feel, hear, or experience another thing again? The ultimate power off. You are gone. Your consciousness ceases.

I wouldn't give a shit if I was "removed"? Much rather that than sit in a cell for the rest of my life. Christians who applaud the death penalty makes me laugh.

Oh, and about the larger percentage of blacks being executed.. well welcome to your justice system. Surprised? I sure as hell am not.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » September 19, 2004, 12:59 pm

Kel, I don't care what they experience. I don't care if they consider prison as the Happy Bunny Theme Park. I don't care if they think being executed is the best thing that ever happened to them.

I want them gone. I don't want to pay for their room and board. I don't want to pay for the cable. I don't wish for them to exist with me on this plane of existance. I don't want to risk them getting out, I don't want to risk them doing it again either inside or outside prison. I don't want to risk them killing / maiming / raping those inside the system on lesser charges, like drug possession or petty theft.

Let's play zero factor. Let's dispose of them. Let's treat them like the pieces of human rubbish that they are and effectively cram them into a meat grinder and be done with it. Kill the consciousness, harvest the organs, mine the body for anything else worthwhile. Complete. Total. Destruction. And. Removal.

I don't doubt that the death penalty costs more. The system for it is horribly flawed. The entire justice system is horribly flawed. An inefficent process costs more. But I'd rather pay for their termination than I would to let them live.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 19, 2004, 1:06 pm

Ah so you like killing people. Gotcha.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » September 19, 2004, 1:10 pm

I could come up with a really sarcastic comment to that, but I won't. I'll just restate what I said miles of text ago.

In cases where DNA evidence is irrefutiable in cases of murder, rape, systematic child abuse, or any crimes against humanity, and there is a choice between serving prison time or having the guilty party executed, then yes, I gladly support the death penalty.

Any case that does not have irrefutiable proof does not warrant the option of execution because there is still a chance that the accused party may actually be an innocent person.

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » September 19, 2004, 1:18 pm

You understand that DNA evidence is never irrefutable?...

Therefore you must be opposed to the death penalty?...

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » September 19, 2004, 1:25 pm

I understand that it is possible for the DNA evidence to allow for enough resonable doubt to allow for the reversing of a decision of a person serving a jail term based on it, yes.

By the same token, if you cannot get reasonable doubt to secure innocence with the DNA evidence...

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » September 19, 2004, 1:41 pm

Akaran_D wrote:I understand that it is possible for the DNA evidence to allow for enough resonable doubt to allow for the reversing of a decision of a person serving a jail term based on it, yes.

By the same token, if you cannot get reasonable doubt to secure innocence with the DNA evidence...

Ahhh so your standard isn't irrefutable...its simply beyond reasonable doubt for the death penalty...two very different standards...

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 19, 2004, 3:19 pm

Akaran_D wrote:Kel, I don't care what they experience. I don't care if they consider prison as the Happy Bunny Theme Park. I don't care if they think being executed is the best thing that ever happened to them.

I want them gone. I don't want to pay for their room and board. I don't want to pay for the cable. I don't wish for them to exist with me on this plane of existance.

I don't much care for sharing a planet with people like you either. Can I kill you?

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » September 19, 2004, 3:29 pm

That depends, Kyu. Have I violated any of socities laws to the extent that the death penalty would be considered to be applied to me?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 19, 2004, 3:33 pm

other than the law of natural selection?

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » September 19, 2004, 3:34 pm

you are such a witty person.

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » September 19, 2004, 4:44 pm

I voted yes but only for mass murderers, or for inhumane murders, who are found guilty 100%. IE Manson, McVey (?).

For what its worth, Manson never killed anyone. His followers did - kind of like the Pope.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » September 19, 2004, 4:45 pm

Right Dar, because mondern day Catholics kill at the Pope's command.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » September 20, 2004, 1:10 pm

I say we make a colliseum and startup some deathmatch games!

Manson Vs. The Unibomber!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 20, 2004, 2:31 pm

Stragi wrote:I say we make a colliseum and startup some deathmatch games!

Manson Vs. The Unibomber!

Unibomber all the way in that matchup. Manson needs people to manipulate to get things done while the Unibomber is a do it yourselfer.

Unibomber in under 2 minutes.

Next up:

Saddam vs Martha Stewart

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » September 20, 2004, 2:40 pm

The Death Penalty has my full support. I refuse to let the "religious" ideology (note the use of religious and not christian cause hey buddhists and muslims and other sects also value human life! omfg no way!!! yes...wow....i bet you never thought of it that way! Shit you can't bash the christians for that!) taint my decision. In the spirit of higher thinking, man should not have to punish death with death, but guess what...people are stupid. You have a society where you have good and evil. I do believe evil men exist and as a result, we sometimes must rise up to combat that evil. Think of evil like a disease, a cancer. Properly treated it can go away, but sometimes you have kill the cancer before it has a chance to spread and cause even more damage. Sometimes you lose a hand, a liver, or a part of the whole. That is the price you have to pay for getting rid of the malignant growth or cancer. Man is not perfect, while our system of government has its faults (yes im sure people have lists ready to be read off on these said faults) the death penalty is one of those "faults" that I have to give my support to. If an evil man kills a child and her mother brutally after raping and torturing and mutilating them, I do not want this man to be rehabilitated. This man is evil, he has commited an evil act and as a result forfeited his life in the process. Do you really think that someone who would really feel remorse sitting in a cell getting 3 meals a day and limited contact with the outside world in the way of other inmates and/or reading. You really think our "rehabilitation" programs work that well? Prisoners are human beings and therefore capable of both good and evil in great amounts, some are there wrongly, some justly - but they did do something to earn them a spot in jail. Removing "evil" men from society is good, and I'm all for reintroducing former convicts into society who have seen the error of their ways and wish to start a new life. Yet, you also have to take into account what crimes they commited. A canniballistic mass murderer is not someone I really want to be re-issued into society. Not because of personal preference (while that does factor in obviously) but if he commited such a henious crime before, what makes you think he won't do it again. These are disturbed individuals or people so intelligent and inheriantly evil that they would not only think up these things but carry them out. Let the punishment fit the crime. Go Go Death Penalty! Hooray! Yes, I realise that sometimes innocents are wrongly imprisoned/executed but you really think that because one innocent is accidentally sentenced to death and is killed because of it reason to not support the staunch removal of said people not just from society but from the world of men? It's a hard question but I have to be rather pragmatic in this and say No, sometimes innocents die. It is horrible I know, but its something you have to think about.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » September 20, 2004, 10:33 pm

drink coffee much?

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