Kerry's words on Communism

[Marbus]

I pulled this off Met's signature as I just read it...

They are not a free people, and we cannot fight communism all over the world, and I think we should have learned that lesson by now.
[John F. Kerry testifies]

WTF is wrong with this statement? Metanis are you saying you agree with this by having it as your signature? I sure do. Just didn't think you were becoming a liberal.

Why do I agree? because he is correct. The people he is referring do were never free, their culture didn't promote "personal freedoms" it focused more for family duties and national honor. These people didn't want freedom, they wanted FOOD. You can't win that war, Nixon knew that, Reagan knew it too.

I have to admit the only person who didn't seem to figure it out was a democrat but alas he was from Texas. We didn't WIN the Cold War with weapons or killing people. Almost all of these fights eventually resulted in a dictator that was worse than their communist leader (e.g. Panama, Iran etc...) which we supported or they country just fell apart.

We won the Cold War with skill and cunning. Ronald Reagan and his advisors too realized that War wasn't the way to win the War. Sure, just like Bushy did, it might win a couple of battles but everything else really wasn't helping. So they used skill and forethought to bankrupt the Soviet Union, taking her down without firing a shot.

All that being said, what are your thoughts Metanis? and everyone else of course.

Marb

[Thess]

lol I giggle whenever I see Metanis' signature because I agree with John Kerry's statement.

[kyoukan]

Just because Reagan happened to squander trillions of taxpayer dollars on pork barrel spending projects that went nowhere save to make his war profiteering corporate cronies even wealthier in the same half-century that the soviet union collapsed economically does not mean the president won the cold war by doing that. richard nixon, as well as every other economist in the world predicted in the 1960s that stalinist commuinism is an unsustainable economic model that will eventually fail in 20-30 years.

the notion that you can "outspend" a country militarily that already has enough nuclear weapons to devastate every square mile of north america about twenty times over is so much neocon horseshit propaganda that I'm surprised even rush limbaugh can say it with a straight face.

[Metanis]

I pulled this off Met's signature as I just read it...

They are not a free people, and we cannot fight communism all over the world, and I think we should have learned that lesson by now.
[John F. Kerry testifies]

WTF is wrong with this statement? Metanis are you saying you agree with this by having it as your signature? I sure do. Just didn't think you were becoming a liberal.

Why do I agree? because he is correct. The people he is referring do were never free, their culture didn't promote "personal freedoms" it focused more for family duties and national honor. These people didn't want freedom, they wanted FOOD. You can't win that war, Nixon knew that, Reagan knew it too.

I have to admit the only person who didn't seem to figure it out was a democrat but alas he was from Texas. We didn't WIN the Cold War with weapons or killing people. Almost all of these fights eventually resulted in a dictator that was worse than their communist leader (e.g. Panama, Iran etc...) which we supported or they country just fell apart.

We won the Cold War with skill and cunning. Ronald Reagan and his advisors too realized that War wasn't the way to win the War. Sure, just like Bushy did, it might win a couple of battles but everything else really wasn't helping. So they used skill and forethought to bankrupt the Soviet Union, taking her down without firing a shot.

All that being said, what are your thoughts Metanis? and everyone else of course.

Marb

Kerry spoke those words in 1971. Those words prove to me the man is a defeatist with no vision for the future. Essentially, he was whining before a Senate panel and saying the job is too tough and we should just give it up.

A decade later another man, a stronger man, one with vision and courage decided the job could be done.

So there's your explanation and hell no I don't agree with Kerry. Those words are in my sig so everyone reading it will know that he isn't presidential material.

[Marbus]

While I agree with you on many of your statments Kyoukan regarding this matter I do believe that Reagan outspending the USSR did have something to do with the fall. I agree a LOT of people probably got rich off it, I agree that it's fall was ultimately inevitable but if the USSR had been able to back down somewhat on the military spending I think they could have held out another 20 years or so... thus while not the only factor in the fall, there was obviously a myriad of issues, the strategy of outspending did play a part in the timing... IMHO.

The Neocons would have you believe that was the only reason which agreeably is horseshit but it I think it did play a part.

Marb

[Thess]

Oh right - so China, North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam aren't communist countries - yeah ok.

[Marbus]

defeatist? lol, Nixon listened to him because he was right and pulled out as we should have done... well we shouldn't have even been there.

At least Kerry went over, if anyone has a right to protest it someone that got shot at. What's funny is that even if Kerry is a defeatist or whatever, at LEAST he didn't HIDE like a punk. At least Clinton had the courage to burn his draft card in definance, at least he MADE a choice rather than running home to daddy for protection from the big bad mean ole' world... and this still not fulfill his duity to his country.

Marb

[Sirton]

I agree with what Bush said, John Kerry had a more honorable service within the Vietnam war than he did. Bush wasn't even there. I just wanted to point out that Kerry did try and defer out like Cheney, just incase people didnt know it. It doesnt make any difference to me just some trivia. Vietnam was a shitty war esculated by LBJ, and really destroyed the bond our government had with its people I hate that its been brought up again.

Anyways.........Kerry filed a application for a 12-month deferment to study in Paris and it was DENIED, Kerry then did the a honerable thing and volunteered for service in the United States Navy on February 18, 1966 instead of being drafted.

All this BS about 30yrs ago is getting old. Kerry needs to listen to Clinton ASAP and stop talking about the past and Vietnam or he has no chance. People have no clue in general what he is for and the bulk of the campaigns cash is already spent.


If I was his advisor Id have him getting on the air asap talking about the future exspecially on issues he polls well in, but also issues hes falling in aswell. He needs to get himself more exposure, put a muzzle on his wife, AND STOP FLIP FLOPPING like a fish out of water.

But since Im for Bush...all I can say is.......What a great job Kerry is doing....If Kerry keeps his terrible performance up, that hes had the past month and half; Cheney won't even have to hold Bush's hand during the cake walk.

[vn_Tanc]

Those words prove to me the man is a defeatist with no vision for the future

And these words prove to me what is wrong with YOU. You'd rather believe fairy tales fed to you by your dear leader than take a realistic look at things. You'd rather believe there are "certain truths" than question things. You'll gladly listen to fanciful chest-beating rhetoric than countenance any notion that the world might not be as cut and dried as you are told. I have no doubt you sleep like a fucking baby because you clearly live in cloud cuckoo land.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Those words prove to me the man is a defeatist with no vision for the future

And these words prove to me what is wrong with YOU. You'd rather believe fairy tales fed to you by your dear leader than take a realistic look at things. You'd rather believe there are "certain truths" than question things. You'll gladly listen to fanciful chest-beating rhetoric than countenance any notion that the world might not be as cut and dried as you are told. I have no doubt you sleep like a fucking baby because you clearly live in cloud cuckoo land.

Or maybe he feels communism is as bad a system as our leaders want us to believe it is. Maybe, you don't remember seeing the 3 hour lines for toilet paper in Russia. Sound like a successful system to you?

[Kelshara]

Well Midnyte, about 2 years ago I read (and we debated here) a poll showing that more and more people in Russia wanted a return to communism. Why? Because back then at least they could get SOME food, there was way less crime and life in general was better for the average person. I haven't seen any similar polls since though, so if anyone else have I'd love to read them.

[Metanis]

All you pussy liberals can do is call me names.

That's because you know I'm correct. Kerry is a defeatist loser. He started drinking the loonie left's Kool Aid back there in the 60's and he's been delusional ever since.

I give him points for marrying well and staying in the Senate for 20 years and providing honorable opposition at least some of the time to his Republican foes.

None of that makes him presidential material.

Instead of attacking me on a personal level how about chewing on the facts?

[*~*stragi*~*]

I pulled this off Met's signature as I just read it...

They are not a free people, and we cannot fight communism all over the world, and I think we should have learned that lesson by now.
[John F. Kerry testifies]

WTF is wrong with this statement? Metanis are you saying you agree with this by having it as your signature? I sure do. Just didn't think you were becoming a liberal.

Why do I agree? because he is correct. The people he is referring do were never free, their culture didn't promote "personal freedoms" it focused more for family duties and national honor. These people didn't want freedom, they wanted FOOD. You can't win that war, Nixon knew that, Reagan knew it too.

I have to admit the only person who didn't seem to figure it out was a democrat but alas he was from Texas. We didn't WIN the Cold War with weapons or killing people. Almost all of these fights eventually resulted in a dictator that was worse than their communist leader (e.g. Panama, Iran etc...) which we supported or they country just fell apart.

We won the Cold War with skill and cunning. Ronald Reagan and his advisors too realized that War wasn't the way to win the War. Sure, just like Bushy did, it might win a couple of battles but everything else really wasn't helping. So they used skill and forethought to bankrupt the Soviet Union, taking her down without firing a shot.

All that being said, what are your thoughts Metanis? and everyone else of course.

Marb

Kerry spoke those words in 1971. Those words prove to me the man is a defeatist with no vision for the future. Essentially, he was whining before a Senate panel and saying the job is too tough and we should just give it up.

A decade later another man, a stronger man, one with vision and courage decided the job could be done.

So there's your explanation and hell no I don't agree with Kerry. Those words are in my sig so everyone reading it will know that he isn't presidential material.

You're going to be eating those words when this turns to vietnam 2.0 since your biggot administration is pissing off every muslim in the world with their midnyte-like views. I can't wait until they start up the draft, so I can dodge that fucker Clinton style.


stragi and Dr. J 04!

[vn_Tanc]

Or maybe he feels communism is as bad a system as our leaders want us to believe it is. Maybe, you don't remember seeing the 3 hour lines for toilet paper in Russia. Sound like a successful system to you?

I don't recall giving my opinion of communism here. You could not and did not (and still do not) fight communism all over the world. End of fucking argument.

Instead of attacking me on a personal level how about chewing on the facts?

Ok. . .

That's because you know I'm correct. Kerry is a defeatist loser. He started drinking the loonie left's Kool Aid back there in the 60's and he's been delusional ever since.

Opinion.

None of that makes him presidential material

Opinion.

You want me to chew on some facts then post some real ones instead of dressing up your stillborn opinions as them.

[Sylvus]

None of that makes him presidential material.

But a man with drunk driving convictions who was investigated by the SEC, led several businesses into the ground and can barely speak in public is the candidate for you? Nice.

Kerry's statement holds. Communism still exists. Fighting communism (i.e. the Vietnam War, you know, the context to which Kerry was addressing) around the world did not bring an end to communism. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and suppose that it is true that our nuclear armament and the promise of our sophisticated space laser beams may have contributed or caused the breakup of the Soviet Union, that is still a far cry from "fighting communism all over the world".

[Thess]

Communism not working can really be summed up in 3 words.

People are greedy.

[Winnow]

Communism not working can really be summed up in 3 words.

People are greedy.

Communism fails because of lack of opportunity and boredom. You're just another brick in the wall. If humans were more like cattle, communism would rock.

[Kelshara]

Nah actually Thess hit the nail on the head there. Communism has never moved past the stage of gathering all power centrally because the leaders were greedy.

[Krimson Klaw]

All you pussy liberals can do is call me names.

Where did someone call you a name?

That's because you know I'm correct. Kerry is a defeatist loser. He started drinking the loonie left's Kool Aid back there in the 60's and he's been delusional ever since.

I agree, he is a leftist.

I give him points for marrying well and staying in the Senate for 20 years and providing honorable opposition at least some of the time to his Republican foes.

I agree

None of that makes him presidential material.

And what makes for presidential material exactly, having a father that was a president? I disagree.

Instead of attacking me on a personal level how about chewing on the facts?

Who attacked you on a personal level?

[Acies]

Communism not working can really be summed up in 3 words.

People are greedy.

Communism fails because of lack of opportunity and boredom. You're just another brick in the wall. If humans were more like cattle, communism would rock.

Agree with both of you personally. Communism failed because people lack the opportunity to get more (greed). Plus equality was not (is not) prevailant like it should be in an ideal Communism. Stalin is a good example. Man was living in a damned palace eating fine foods during WW2 while his people went without.

Many people do not know what socialism and communism are. They just know that America fought it and they believe it is bad.

[*~*stragi*~*]

sorta like conservitives wowow
you pinko neocon bastards

[Metanis]

Kerry's statement holds. Communism still exists.

You must be blind to history and the facts of history.

First of all it was able to be fought and quite effectively. Kerry just didn't have the balls for it.

Of course it still exists, but it's power has been radically curtailed. There's nothing wrong with that.

[Krimson Klaw]

Neocon must be the word of the month or something.

[Acies]

Metanis, do you realize the hypocracy involved with you saying this:

All you pussy liberals can do is call me names.

and then this:

That's because you know I'm correct. Kerry is a defeatist loser. He started drinking the loonie left's Kool Aid back there in the 60's and he's been delusional ever since.

Followed by this:

Instead of attacking me on a personal level how about chewing on the facts?

?

[miir]

No real point in discussing this with Metanis.
He insults people who disagree with him and throws around insults while trying to play the victim crying about people calling him names and attcking him.

Metanis' debating and discussion skills are not very well developed, to say the least.

[miir]

Neocon must be the word of the month or something.

Not really, some of the more obtuse posters on this forum feel the need to label everyone based on their opinions and views. Midnyte, Metanis and Brotha are most accurately defined as neocons.

The original neocons were a small group of mostly Jewish liberal intellectuals who, in the 1960s and 70s, grew disenchanted with what they saw as the American left's social excesses and reluctance to spend adequately on defense. Many of these neocons worked in the 1970s for Democratic Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson, a staunch anti-communist. By the 1980s, most neocons had become Republicans, finding in President Ronald Reagan an avenue for their aggressive approach of confronting the Soviet Union with bold rhetoric and steep hikes in military spending. After the Soviet Union's fall, the neocons decried what they saw as American complacency. In the 1990s, they warned of the dangers of reducing both America's defense spending and its role in the world.

Metanis, Midnyte and Brotha are far from being typical conservatives.
The most easily identifiable 'true' conservatives here would be Adex and Akaran.

[Krimson Klaw]

The term is being used correctly, I looked up the definition a while ago just like you did. I was just saying it's being used like it's going out of style.

[Thess]

The term is being used correctly, I looked up the definition a while ago just like you did. I was just saying it's being used like it's going out of style.

Mostly because the term conservative or republican doesn't fit that definition. It is not all republicans or even conservatives who hold this view, so using those terms is not fair or accurate.

[archeiron]

Communism is a political organization designed to promote the spread of Marxism (an economic system) through a single working class based politcal party (the proletariat).

Communism didn't succeed in its objective because it was a means of FORCING a micro-scale economic structure onto a massive number of people. Communism was no more widespread in FORCING its political values on other countries than "Democracy".

Forcing a country with a unique culture and its own state of affairs to adopt any particular politcal paradigm isn't effective. An example of Democracy's failure would be in Iran. While a good example of the Communist failure would be (East) Germany.

Marxism is a praiseworthy ideal that goes hand in hand with true democracy. In fact, the two were often practiced together in certain monestaries. However, neither of those two scale effectively to large populations.

Democracy has a much better practical solution (representative governments like Parlimentary Monarchies and Democratic Republics) than Marxism found through Communism. Hence, it has enjoyed significantly more and longer lasting success (250+ continuous years vs. 80 years. Yes I am aware that democratic republics have existed for over 2000 years in total)

In reality, Marxism is opposed to Capitalism not Democracy.


As has already been observed in this thread, the proliferation of Soviet power through Communism was not thwarted by military might or conquest; the fabric was unraveled by irreconcilable differences between the political policies and the economic ones. This was hastened by a series of Soviet Premieres who undermined the minor economic stability of their system in order to make peace with the West.


Frankly, I don't care what Kerry or Bush have said about this topic or the specifics of the Vietnam War. I do not belief that either of these politcians has a very sophisticated grasp of these topics. They both need to play in the shallow end (current affairs based political arenas) to avoid drowning.

[masteen]

I've always though of myself as a true conservative. GET YOUR HAND OUTTA MY POCKET!

[Voronwë]

Kerry's statement holds. Communism still exists.

You must be blind to history and the facts of history.

First of all it was able to be fought and quite effectively. Kerry just didn't have the balls for it.

Of course it still exists, but it's power has been radically curtailed. There's nothing wrong with that.

Well the #2 most powerful country in the world is a communist country.

The most realistic threat to a real dispersal of WMDs is from a communist country.

That being said, Metanis address specificially the context of Kerry's statement with regard to the war in Indochina, and whether or not Nixon (hardly a left wing Kool Aid drinker) agreed with the sentiment.

Additionally, while nobody insulted Metanis initiatlly on this thread, i would suggest he is used to being attacked for the manner in which he posts - not necessarily the content, and as a matter of habit is used to it, and as such expects it.


interesting aside on China and the Bush tax cuts. Who buys the bonds that allow us to run massive spending deficits due to the Bush tax cuts? The governments of China and Japan are the two largest investors in our debt. IF i am not mistaken, the interest on the deficit will soon be our 3rd largest "line item" expenditure in our 3 trillion dollar annual budget.

So basically we will be pumping more tax payer dollars to the Communist government of China so they can profit on tax cuts for the richest 1% of our population than we will be spending on quite a few pretty important things that effect 95% of Americans daily lives. Education. Homeland Security (there is none at our seaports). etc.

so if you like a large portion of the tax dollars that Americans pay in to leave our economy and fund the government of China, then vote Bush.

[masteen]

I'm pretty comfortable with Japan holding a lot of our debt.

[Kelshara]

Pretty interesting.. Japan being the largest economical threat to the US in the short term and China being the largest economical (and military) treath in the long term.. Some interesting possible scenarios if you think it through.

[Winnow]

Japanimation! Japan's cool.

We may eventually have to give the Chinese Taiwan back. Bastards! That's the hottest trigger spot for WWIII.

[Chidoro]

GET YOUR HAND OUTTA MY POCKET!

You know you like it, stfu

[Kaldaur]

Japanimation! Japan's cool.

We may eventually have to give the Chinese Taiwan back. Bastards! That's the hottest trigger spot for WWIII.

You're very right Winnow. I attended a panel at my college where the Taiwanese ambassador to the US was speaking along with other professors of political science, history, and economics, and a four hour discussion went on about Taiwan and China and how this will affect the US. I believed it has been talked about before on this board, so I won't derail the thread. But if we think the "war on terrorism" is bad, wait until China realizes they don't have to be behind the United States in terms of production and economic output in the 21st century. Perhaps the Cold War was a test run..

[Metanis]

That being said, Metanis address specificially the context of Kerry's statement with regard to the war in Indochina, and whether or not Nixon (hardly a left wing Kool Aid drinker) agreed with the sentiment.

You can find Kerry's testimony on the internet. You'll find the context there. It's a very interesting read.

I never said anything about Nixon, that was Marb's comment. Ask him to explain it.

[kyoukan]

Neocon must be the word of the month or something.

neocon has to be used to create a distinction between real, honorable conservatives like bob dole and john mccain vs. greedy and racist lunatics like reagan and bush. I don't have a problem with economic conservatism. I am an economic conservative. I greatly dislike these shitfuckers that exist solely to waste taxpayer money on nuclear missiles that shoot other nuclear missiles from space at the expense of things like education and health, and the dumbass retards like metanis and midnyte that have their nose constantly shoved up their ass.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Neocon must be the word of the month or something.

neocon has to be used to create a distinction between real, honorable conservatives like bob dole and john mccain vs. greedy and racist lunatics like reagan and bush. I don't have a problem with economic conservatism. I am an economic conservative. I greatly dislike these shitfuckers that exist solely to waste taxpayer money on nuclear missiles that shoot other nuclear missiles from space at the expense of things like education and health, and the dumbass retards like metanis and midnyte that have their nose constantly shoved up their ass.

I dislike your short-sighted, labeler mentally as well. Just because someone doesn't share your point of view doesn't make them racist, bigoted or whatever label is your fav for the day. You need to practice some of the tolerance you so boldly throw out is lacking in others.

[kyoukan]

Just because someone doesn't share your point of view doesn't make them racist, bigoted or whatever label is your fav for the day.

No it doesn't, but your overtly racist statements do.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Just because someone doesn't share your point of view doesn't make them racist, bigoted or whatever label is your fav for the day.

No it doesn't, but your overtly racist statements do.

Perception kiddo....perception.

[Kguku]

Just because someone doesn't share your point of view doesn't make them racist, bigoted or whatever label is your fav for the day.

No it doesn't, but your overtly racist statements do.

Perception kiddo....perception.

Yeah kyo, didn't you know that saying fuck the muslims and labeling an entire religious group as being terrorists is really done out of love for them?

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Just because someone doesn't share your point of view doesn't make them racist, bigoted or whatever label is your fav for the day.

No it doesn't, but your overtly racist statements do.

Perception kiddo....perception.

Yeah kyo, didn't you know that saying fuck the muslims and labeling an entire religious group as being terrorists is really done out of love for them?

Muslims aren't a race. I have also recanted that statement. That's what a reasonable person does. Some here on these boards both fail to recognize and lack the ability to do so themselves.

[Xzion]

The term is being used correctly, I looked up the definition a while ago just like you did. I was just saying it's being used like it's going out of style.

You have to be fair though. Most of us use the term in retaliation to "neocons" labeling everyone as "liberals" and trying to push the term (rather successfully) as a "bad word"
I havnt seen one anti-kerry add supported by bush where he didnt label him as a liberal at least once

[Marbus]

I think you missed Voronwe's question. He knows exactly what I'm talking about, he is asking if you do?

Kerry was speaking to members of the Senate. Why? Because by that point almost everyone, even those who supported the war to begin with, had finally realized there was no reason for us to be there. We were not going to "win" the war. As I said about Iraq. We can Win almost every battle but still loose the war in the end because these people are fighting for more than "freedom" yup, although Bushy may not think so, there are more important things to die for over freedom.

Nixon, a GREAT Republican and smart man who got caught in a lie... not like any other Presidents have done that... knew that. He knew the war was wrong so he pulled us out. It took a number of years to just get people back then we still had numerous cases of missing POWs etc... The Republicans got us out because it was the right thing to do. Now the Democrats are trying to keep another idiot from Texas from making the same mistake and loosing the lives of many of our young men and women needlessly. The roles are reversed but the problem is the same...

While I've voting for Kerry I do not feel he is going to magically be able to fix all the things the Bush Administration has screw up... that will take 2 or 3 Presidents at least but what I do think he offers is a different understanding of War and a different prespective how the US should position itself in the 21st Century. Because of his view I think he will have more support from the rest of the world in getting Iraq stabalized so that we can get out so we can go back to fighting the real battle with the Terrorist.

Marb

[Raistin]

Muslims aren't a race. I have also recanted that statement. That's what a reasonable person does. Some here on these boards both fail to recognize and lack the ability to do so themselves.

So now you flip flop? Make up your mind. Didnt you know, once you choose one way, you cant change no matter even if it might have been a mistake? Get your story right

[Kguku]

Just because someone doesn't share your point of view doesn't make them racist, bigoted or whatever label is your fav for the day.

No it doesn't, but your overtly racist statements do.

Perception kiddo....perception.

Yeah kyo, didn't you know that saying fuck the muslims and labeling an entire religious group as being terrorists is really done out of love for them?

Muslims aren't a race. I have also recanted that statement. That's what a reasonable person does. Some here on these boards both fail to recognize and lack the ability to do so themselves.

Wow thanks for clarifying what I stated, that muslim is a religion, I had no clue they weren't a race!

As for recanting your statement, yes you said you did say you apologise for saying 'fuck the muslims', but then go on and post other retarded threads labeling the entire muslim religion as terrorists, which in effect is basically saying fuck the muslims all over again.

Calling yourself reasonable is laughable at best, especially with the unreasonable comments you make on an ongoing basis.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

No it doesn't, but your overtly racist statements do.

Perception kiddo....perception.

Yeah kyo, didn't you know that saying fuck the muslims and labeling an entire religious group as being terrorists is really done out of love for them?

Muslims aren't a race. I have also recanted that statement. That's what a reasonable person does. Some here on these boards both fail to recognize and lack the ability to do so themselves.

Wow thanks for clarifying what I stated, that muslim is a religion, I had no clue they weren't a race!

As for recanting your statement, yes you said you did say you apologise for saying 'fuck the muslims', but then go on and post other retarded threads labeling the entire muslim religion as terrorists, which in effect is basically saying fuck the muslims all over again.

Calling yourself reasonable is laughable at best, especially with the unreasonable comments you make on an ongoing basis.

In your eyes. See you can't be judge and jury all by yourself. You need to step back and realize your way isn't the only way. It's so horrible the way you think.

[Lynks]

In your eyes. See you can't be judge and jury all by yourself. You need to step back and realize your way isn't the only way. It's so horrible the way you think.

Its not just him sitting in the jury room. And what the hell do you keep talking about. "your way isn't the only way"...Are you saying that your hating is an acceptable way?

[masteen]

Maybe not, but neither is the "They may hate us, but it's OK because they have reasons to. We're evil babykiller Americans" Well, by that definition, many of us have valid reasons to hate muslims as well. You can't make excuses for hate with one case and condemn it on the other, which is exactly what a lot of you are doing.