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China executes bank staff for fraud

Well maybe not, but still white-collar criminals should be put in real jails and have much stiffer punishments.
China executes bank staff for fraud
Part of Beijing's intense crackdown on white-collar crime ahead of IPOs, state-owned agency says.
September 14, 2004: 12:58 PM EDT

BEIJING (Reuters) - China executed four people, including employees of two of its Big Four state-owned banks, for fraud totaling $15 million, the state Xinhua news agency said Tuesday.

The executions occurred in the midst a high-profile government campaign against financial crime. They followed a string of arrests in white-collar crime as China prepares to sell shares publicly in its big banks.

The latest cases involved China Construction Bank, due to raise up to $10 billion in an IPO next year; and Bank of China, which is moving towards an IPO worth up to $4 billion.

One of those executed was Wang Liming, a former accounting officer at China Construction Bank in the central province of Henan, who worked with others to steal 20 million yuan ($2.4 million) from the bank using fraudulent papers, Xinhua said in a report on its Web site: (http://www.xinhuanet.com). An accomplice, Miao Ping, was also executed.

Another Construction Bank employee, Wang Xiang, was executed for taking 20 million yuan from the bank in an unrelated case.

Liang Shihan, an official at the Bank of China's branch in the southern city of Zhuhai, was executed for helping cheat his bank out of $10.3 million, Xinhua said.

Xinhua did not say how the four were killed. China, which executes more criminals than the rest of the world combined, usually puts inmates to death with a gunshot to the back of the head but has recently experimented with lethal injections.

The debt-laden state-owned banks have been involved in other fraud scandals as Beijing tries to clean them up ahead of 2007, when the sector begins to privatize and opens fully to foreign rivals as part of pledges made to the World Trade Organization.

In February, China arrested Liu Jinbao, former chief of the Bank of China's Hong Kong branch, for corruption. Last December, Wang Xuebing, former head of the Construction Bank, was sentenced to 12 years in prison for taking bribes.

The government injected a combined $45 billion into the Construction Bank and Bank of China last year as part of a pilot scheme to reform the sector and prepare for the IPOs.

The precise number of people executed for all crimes in China is a state secret. Reports range from 5,000 to 10,000 a year, many for murder, but they have also been killed for corruption and crimes as minor as bottom-pinching.

Legal experts have proposed what they call a "kill fewer, kill carefully" policy for nonviolent crimes.
I got a kick out of that last line that kinda like the opposite approach we have here in Texas :D.
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Actually it is a wonderful example of the hypocrasy of Human Rights groups to continue to make America look like the bad guy, yet we don't hear more about places like China who execute 5-10 thousand people a year for crimes as low ass pinching a girls ass.
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You can blame that on both the Clinton and Bush administration. Who cares what they do as long as they buy our stuff and make cheap crap that companies can sell to us.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Actually it is a wonderful example of the hypocrasy of Human Rights groups to continue to make America look like the bad guy, yet we don't hear more about places like China who execute 5-10 thousand people a year for crimes as low ass pinching a girls ass.
I find the true definition of hypocrisy to be someone who claims to be intelligent while not being able to spell.
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Kylere wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Actually it is a wonderful example of the hypocrasy of Human Rights groups to continue to make America look like the bad guy, yet we don't hear more about places like China who execute 5-10 thousand people a year for crimes as low ass pinching a girls ass.
I find the true definition of hypocrisy to be someone who claims to be intelligent while not being able to spell.
And clearly he's not a reader of Human Rights Watch or similar publications which of course report this sort of thing constantly...
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Heh, it's a little like the way people think dog attacks suddenly come in threes because three are reported on three consecutive days every now and then by the main stream news outlets. Then it loses impact and there's none at all for months (unless it's a baby or a fatality or both).
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If Fox News doesn't report it, it isn't being reported!

Time to read up on Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch Midnyte.
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Put it all into a percentage. China executes probably the same percentage as we do compared to population, maybe a bit more. Naturally I am talking out of my ass here but it sounded right when I started typing.

Actually I think they have the right of it and it shouldn't be our place to tell them how to run their country. If we don't like it then we shouldn't go visit and if we do we really don't want to do a crime there.
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Actually, China is well known for its human rights abuses. A big argument against the reason why the 2008 olympics shouldnt be held in Beijing was because of that record.
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Actually it is a wonderful example of the hypocrasy of Human Rights groups to continue to make America look like the bad guy, yet we don't hear more about places like China who execute 5-10 thousand people a year for crimes as low ass pinching a girls ass.
1) There was no mention of America in that article.

2) There was no mention of human rights groups anywhere in that article.

3) Human rights groups such as Amnesty International are very active in drawing awarenesss to the human rights violations.

4) Pinching a girls ass is not punishable by death in China, but drug trafficking, many white collar and petty crimes are.




So Midnyte, you like to throw the word 'hipocrasy' around (and I'm sure you'll figure out how to spell it correctly one of these days), but I'm really curious as to where you are seeing it here in regards to human rights.
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Put it all into a percentage. China executes probably the same percentage as we do compared to population, maybe a bit more
Actually, the 'Strike Hard' campaign has probably shot those figures through the roof. Some human rights groups estimate that the number of executions exceeds 15k anually. China won't release any figures.

Drug addiction and petty crime are major problems in China... it's generally believed that most of the executions are of thieves and drug dealers. Oddly, the majority of the Chinese population approve of the death penalty and how it has been used in the past few years.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Actually it is a wonderful example of the hypocrasy of Human Rights groups to continue to make America look like the bad guy, yet we don't hear more about places like China who execute 5-10 thousand people a year for crimes as low ass pinching a girls ass.
This is a joke, right?
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Niffoni wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Actually it is a wonderful example of the hypocrasy of Human Rights groups to continue to make America look like the bad guy, yet we don't hear more about places like China who execute 5-10 thousand people a year for crimes as low ass pinching a girls ass.
This is a joke, right?
Well, when you're ignorant of human right issues that don't involve the US, a statement like is understandable. I'm pretty sure Midnyte has no idea the work groups like Amnesty International are doing in the field of human rights.
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you guys have to understand that midnyte couldn't even find china, or the state next to his home state, on a map. people like him only know what's going on right in front of their face, and only have faint awareness of anything else from the idiotic neocon trash commentators they worship on fox news.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Actually it is a wonderful example of the hypocrasy of Human Rights groups to continue to make America look like the bad guy, yet we don't hear more about places like China who execute 5-10 thousand people a year for crimes as low ass pinching a girls ass.
Haha, that's destined to become a classic Midnyte quote.
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Just to back everyone up:

http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-chn/index
http://hrw.org/doc/?t=asia&c=china

Good attempt though. Maybe, instead of criticizing the human rights groups that do vast quantities of valuable work attempting to improve conditions in places like China, you should criticize whatever outlets you get your news from who never report on the valuable work being done.
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Let's check out the 2003 Human Rights Watch report...

http://www.hrw.org/wr2k3/download.html

8 pages dedicated to the US, 8 pages dedicated to Israel, 7 to China/Tibet, 4 to Syria, 4 to Sudan, 4 to Turkmenistan, 6 to Iran.

It's nice to know that China was almost criticized as much as the US was though...
Freedom of speech makes it much easier to spot the idiots.
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kyoukan wrote:you guys have to understand that midnyte couldn't even find china, or the state next to his home state, on a map. people like him only know what's going on right in front of their face, and only have faint awareness of anything else from the idiotic neocon trash commentators they worship on fox news.
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Brotha wrote:Let's check out the 2003 Human Rights Watch report...

http://www.hrw.org/wr2k3/download.html

8 pages dedicated to the US, 8 pages dedicated to Israel, 7 to China/Tibet, 4 to Syria, 4 to Sudan, 4 to Turkmenistan, 6 to Iran.

It's nice to know that China was almost criticized as much as the US was though...
Thank you Brotha. Been busy working all day....errr...and sneaking out to see "Hero". Which kicked much ass btw.
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Brotha wrote:Let's check out the 2003 Human Rights Watch report...

http://www.hrw.org/wr2k3/download.html

8 pages dedicated to the US, 8 pages dedicated to Israel, 7 to China/Tibet, 4 to Syria, 4 to Sudan, 4 to Turkmenistan, 6 to Iran.

It's nice to know that China was almost criticized as much as the US was though...
I don't see china invading any countries, killing 10s of thousands of civilians in order to steal their natural resources. how does it feel to have a worse human rights record then China under the bush administration, anyway? a rational citizen of the US would be ashamed of themselves the murders they've commited in foreign countries. all you fucking retarded neocons do is whine that less violent countries don't get in as much trouble as you. what is it like to have such a distorted world view?
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kyoukan wrote:
Brotha wrote:Let's check out the 2003 Human Rights Watch report...

http://www.hrw.org/wr2k3/download.html

8 pages dedicated to the US, 8 pages dedicated to Israel, 7 to China/Tibet, 4 to Syria, 4 to Sudan, 4 to Turkmenistan, 6 to Iran.

It's nice to know that China was almost criticized as much as the US was though...
I don't see china invading any countries, killing 10s of thousands of civilians in order to steal their natural resources. how does it feel to have a worse human rights record then China under the bush administration, anyway? a rational citizen of the US would be ashamed of themselves the murders they've commited in foreign countries. all you fucking retarded neocons do is whine that less violent countries don't get in as much trouble as you. what is it like to have such a distorted world view?
If you feel it's worse to kill people during a war than for stealing a Snickers, then you have even more issues than most people here on these boards think you have.
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kyoukan wrote:
Brotha wrote:Let's check out the 2003 Human Rights Watch report...

http://www.hrw.org/wr2k3/download.html

8 pages dedicated to the US, 8 pages dedicated to Israel, 7 to China/Tibet, 4 to Syria, 4 to Sudan, 4 to Turkmenistan, 6 to Iran.

It's nice to know that China was almost criticized as much as the US was though...
I don't see china invading any countries, killing 10s of thousands of civilians in order to steal their natural resources. how does it feel to have a worse human rights record then China under the bush administration, anyway? a rational citizen of the US would be ashamed of themselves the murders they've commited in foreign countries. all you fucking retarded neocons do is whine that less violent countries don't get in as much trouble as you. what is it like to have such a distorted world view?
I guess we were killing tens of thousands of civilians in Afghanistan in order to steal its natural resources? Because I don't see Iraq mentioned a single time in that report on the US (and the only time Afghanistan is is in reference to Gitmo/enemy combatants).
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So tell me then, All-Knowing Canadian, what exactly are the Chinese doing in Tibet if not killing their civilians and stealing their resources? Sightseeing?
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hey, ummm prisoner abuse scandal? No that didn't happen.
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Markulas wrote:hey, ummm prisoner abuse scandal? No that didn't happen.
Yes, exactly my point when I first replied. Our isolated incident of prison abuse of pieces of shit who would gladly car bomb innocent iraqis and American soldiers, takes much greater precedent over much larger scale human rights violations. Hating America is cool eh?
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I bet you were the youngest in your familly. My mom always told me that no matter what my younger brother does, I had to set an example. I wish the US had a mom...
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Lynks wrote:I bet you were the youngest in your familly. My mom always told me that no matter what my younger brother does, I had to set an example. I wish the US had a mom...
Sorry, but I'm a big brother. And yes America does need to set an example to other groups or nations wishing to kill Americans.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Lynks wrote:I bet you were the youngest in your familly. My mom always told me that no matter what my younger brother does, I had to set an example. I wish the US had a mom...
Sorry, but I'm a big brother. And yes America does need to set an example to other groups or nations wishing to kill Americans.
And I'm sure you mean by being just and not going and killing them in advance wich would set an example to others to do the same the US citizens.
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Lynks wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Lynks wrote:I bet you were the youngest in your familly. My mom always told me that no matter what my younger brother does, I had to set an example. I wish the US had a mom...
Sorry, but I'm a big brother. And yes America does need to set an example to other groups or nations wishing to kill Americans.
And I'm sure you mean by being just and not going and killing them in advance wich would set an example to others to do the same the US citizens.
We all have our perceptions Lynks. I guess that's why this world will never be the utopia we wish it could be. There will always be evil vs. good. And each side will always think they are the good part of that equation. Sucks that with all our technology, information, we are still nothing more than a bunch of animals who happen to know how to each with a fork, drive a car, and program a vcr(err dvd). /shrug
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Reasons for the US to be in the reports:
- Military prison abuse scandal, which has shown itself to be more widespread than Midnyte feebly tries to claim here.
- Execution of underage children.
- Execution of mentally handicapped.
- Horrible defense system for poor people. Been a few years since I wrote a research paper on it, but it was pretty shocking to read about public defenders who were so overworked they fell asleep in court on a regular basis. They try, they simply can't cover it all.

Has nothing to do with hating the US.
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Kelshara wrote:Reasons for the US to be in the reports:
- Military prison abuse scandal, which has shown itself to be more widespread than Midnyte feebly tries to claim here.
- Execution of underage children.
- Execution of mentally handicapped.
- Horrible defense system for poor people. Been a few years since I wrote a research paper on it, but it was pretty shocking to read about public defenders who were so overworked they fell asleep in court on a regular basis. They try, they simply can't cover it all.

Has nothing to do with hating the US.
Minor compared to many backwards nations. We are the most advanced and most generous and most leaniant. Stop trying to make a monster out of a friend.
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Your complete cluelessness cracks me up. You're too much to be for real.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Minor compared to many backwards nations. We are the most advanced and most generous and most leaniant. Stop trying to make a monster out of a friend.
Man, we don't even need to try when there are true patriots like you championing the cause.
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masteen wrote:So tell me then, All-Knowing Canadian, what exactly are the Chinese doing in Tibet if not killing their civilians and stealing their resources? Sightseeing?
You don't even know what the chinese are doing in Tibet.
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Dregor Thule wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Minor compared to many backwards nations. We are the most advanced and most generous and most leaniant. Stop trying to make a monster out of a friend.
Man, we don't even need to try when there are true patriots like you championing the cause.
Has nothing to do with being a patriot. It has to do with looking objectively at our size, our policies, our freedoms, our advances in human rights over such a short period of time versus other nations our size. Maybe you look at things with an evil eye at America. You aren't looking objectively. You and people like you have this need for America to be bad. But, it just isn't. Try be objective and recognizing our huge strides while expressing your desires for more, but don't vilify. It makes you look stupid and unreasonable.
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Im getting scared of going to china next summer, knowing my ass il find a way to get myself into a 6 year jail sentence for pulling off some stupid shit :? I guess Hong Kong will be better anyways though
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Don't forget to bring pot...
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Lynks wrote:Don't forget to bring pot...
lol! Thanks for the reminder, will come in handy!

...to be fair i dont smoke too much anymore. Ive smoke now "when the occasion calls for it" I havnt toked up more then say 2-3x a month at most for the past four five months
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