Jihad This!

Xanupox · Post by **Xanupox** » October 17, 2002, 6:15 pm

Jihad has a great significance in Islam and in the life of a Muslim. Jihad means financial and physical sacrifice made for the protection and promotion of Islam.

Jihad not only means to fight against the enemy but also to make a struggle for the promotion and enforcement of Islamic teachings. Jihad also teaches individuals to keep their desires and wants under the order of God (Allah) and uttering words of truth before tyrant ruler.

Jihad is derived from the word “Jahad,” which means to make an effort and to work hard. In Islam Jihad is interpreted as sacrificing all of your powers including your wealth and life in the way of Allah: to devote your life for protection and promotion of Islam and even sacrificing the lives of your family, your relatives and your nation. To compete with Islam’s enemies, to make their tricks fail and to stop their attacks, for this a Muslim is ordered to enter into a battlefield if necessary.

Jihad is the name of an organized effort and its rules are defined in Islam e.g. nobody is allowed to kill enemy’s women, children and old ones during Jihad, likewise it is forbidden to burn crops or houses. All the terms and conditions are defined in Islam. So, any battle fought for Islam taking into account the rules the rules defined by Islam is Jihad. These rules differentiate Jihad from an ordinary battle. Without any organization and an “Amier” (commander), if someone starts an armed struggle then it cannot be called as Jihad.

Jihad is supposed to be begun if any one of the following conditions occur.

1-Enemy attacks a Muslim state.

2-Enemy torches the Muslim population in his country only because they are Muslims.

3-Enemy creates obstacles for the promotion of Islam.

If any one of the above stated situations occur then Jihad becomes necessary for all Muslims (Jihad is also called “Faarz” here).

There are different kinds of Jihad:

1- Jihad-bil-saaf (Armed struggle)

In this kind of Jihad, The Muslims organize themselves under an 'Ameir'(Leader) and start their struggle against the enemy. Enemies can be of diffferent types i.e. Jihad-bil-saaf can be declared against an attacking enemy or it can be declared against an enemy state, which is either torching the Muslim populations in that country or trying to create trouble for an Islamic State. Jihad-bil-saaf is what others(Non-Muslims) known as 'The Holy War' of Muslims. Remember this that in Jihad-bil-saaf Muslims arm themselves before declaring 'The Holy War' against enemy.

One form of Jehad-bil-saaf is known as 'Qattal'.

2- Jihad-e-Akbar (to prevent yourself from committing indecent acts)

Jihad-e-Akbar is the most difficult form of Jehad because in this form of Jihad, one must have to be very careful about his daily lifedeeds. Jihad-e-Akbar means 'The Biggest Jihad'(As 'Akbar' means big,great).

3- Jihad-bil-Elum (to tell others about right way who does not know it).

Jihad-bil-Elum means to spread the light of knowledge to others,to tell people about right and wrong,to tell people how to live their daily life and how to behave with other Muslims and Non-Muslims. This clearly shows how much Islam gives importance to Knowledge and its teacher. A teacher who is busy doing his job is considerd to be involved in this pious and noble Jihad.

4- Jihad-bil-Mall (to spend your wealth for Allah, in the way of Allah).

Jihad-bil-Mall means that if a for some reason cannot himself participate in the noble event like Jehad, he can contribute in Jehad by helping 'Mujahedien'(Muslim Soliders). A person can also contribute with his money even if he himself taking active part in Jehad.

Some Muslim scholars also consider Jihad as the sixth element or principle of Islam along with other five elements i.e. Oneness of God, Prayer, Fasting, Zakaat and Haj. According to them, when there is an enemy before you, then the significance of Jihad is increased compared with these other elements.

Written by Muhammad Bilal Sharif

As a Muslim myself, I could be considered a "Mujahedien fighter" but on the side of the United States. The call for a Jihad in this case would be made when a Non-Muslim nation invades a Muslim one, I assume you are speaking of USA vs IRAQ.

The overall picture above showing the USA's national emblem "flipping off" the term.. "Jihad", is well tasteless and stupid. The fundamentals of the Jihad are what initially formed the heart of America, as its colonies rose up against the invading/controlling British.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » October 17, 2002, 6:22 pm

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 17, 2002, 6:29 pm

Jihad loses it's significance on me when some middle eastern culture declares it on something else 14 times a day. It probably had a lot of importance in the days of ottoman empire and the crusades, but now I have to see some crazy islamic fundie declare a Jihad on Dominoes when their pizza arrives at their tent cold.

That picture is just the type of moronic rhetoric I'm used to seeing from such a bupkis though. HAHA IT SI A BALLED EGLE GIVIGN THE BIRD FUK U ISLAM LOLZ LETS ROLL

Ebumar · Post by **Ebumar** » October 17, 2002, 7:39 pm

Xan, nobody cares.

Anuin · Post by **Anuin** » October 17, 2002, 8:22 pm

Damn Xan.
But I semi agree with kyo, its kinda like the US declaring a war on friggin everything.

Dreadnaught · Post by **Dreadnaught** » October 17, 2002, 8:45 pm

but the us does seem to decalare war on everything

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 17, 2002, 9:22 pm

"The last U.S. war declarations came in 1941, after Pearl Harbor, when Congress passed two joint resolutions, both stating "a state of war . . . is hereby formally declared," with Japan and Germany respectively. On Sept. 14, 2001, both chambers of Congress passed resolutions that did not use the word "war," but instead authorized the President "to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons" responsible for the September 11 attacks. "

Pubin · Post by **Pubin** » October 17, 2002, 11:10 pm

The pic is pretty stupid, and most rational Americans would likely agree.

At least they could point out the true enemy and I could say HAHA IT SI A BALLED EGLE CRAPPIN ON A MAPEL LEEF FUK KANADA LOLZ LETS ROLL. The citizens of Newfoundland would find the humor.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 17, 2002, 11:19 pm

what?

Kguku · Post by **Kguku** » October 18, 2002, 2:14 am

The citizens of newfoundland won't find the humour because they can't read, and I doubt what you typed will be spoken correctly by one of those text to speech program!

Taly · Post by **Taly** » October 18, 2002, 2:31 am

Does Xanu really think he can redeam himself by all these copy and past messages he leaves..Another tard in the dark =/

Xanupox · Post by **Xanupox** » October 18, 2002, 2:44 am

Taly GoldenHeart wrote:Does Xanu really think he can redeam himself by all these copy and past messages he leaves..Another tard in the dark =/

Yes Taly, you really should turn on the light... and stop calling yourself a "tard".

Who were you again? Like I thought.

Taly · Post by **Taly** » October 18, 2002, 2:47 am

I am a far better person then u could ever hope to be

Feel free to take a peek at my pic Xanu its posted on the last page if u really want to know who i am =P

Skunki · Post by **Skunki** » October 18, 2002, 4:37 am

for the love of god i am sick of seeing yoda! valgul next time post a pic of eagle flipping off yoda, yes ok thanks.

Cotto · Post by **Cotto** » October 18, 2002, 7:08 am

Can someone explain to me who defines a War criminal?
Im interested to see how dictators are charged being war criminals while some are heros for say...killing 50,000 people within 20 seconds of the bomb hitting Hiroshima (sp?)

Take this as an attack if you feel like it, im only asking a fucking question.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 18, 2002, 7:17 am

Cotto wrote:Can someone explain to me who defines a War criminal?.

The winners of the war, duh. Hiroshima was a military installation.

Truman said so.

Cotto · Post by **Cotto** » October 18, 2002, 7:21 am

Fair enuff.
Shame then that Nagasaki wasnt the actual target for the other bomb then as it wasnt a military installation

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 18, 2002, 7:26 am

neither was hiroshima. Truman lied so he wouldn't look like the psychotic blood thirsty butcherer of innocent women and children that he was.

Cotto · Post by **Cotto** » October 18, 2002, 7:53 am

Really?
Didnt know that about Hiroshima, I only knew the other place (somewhere I cant pronounce or spell as youve noticed) was a small suburban city, it was to test the effects it had on it, maybe the war was just convient for testing on a small city area.
/shrug
But there was too much fog and they passed it and wound up at Nagasaki.
Where was Hiroshima's supposed to go?

Pubin · Post by **Pubin** » October 18, 2002, 8:55 am

kyoukan is there anything that you admittedly dont' know anything about? I sure wish I knew everything. What a tremendous responsibility to be all knowing. BADASS martial artist, PROGRAMMER extraordinaire, GAME DESIGN expert, HISTORIAN summa cum laude (in U.S. history nonetheless!!!), CANADIAN resource management professional. I mean wow when do you find the time?

Cotto · Post by **Cotto** » October 18, 2002, 9:08 am

Maybe he has a host of robo ninja's that can meld time with their wooden samuri swords and can live a thousand lives as a result....

fuck why cant I do that

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » October 18, 2002, 9:31 am

Cotto wrote:Can someone explain to me who defines a War criminal?
Im interested to see how dictators are charged being war criminals while some are heros for say...killing 50,000 people within 20 seconds of the bomb hitting Hiroshima (sp?)

Take this as an attack if you feel like it, im only asking a fucking question.

Hmmm while I am sorry for the thousands of deaths was it not these same ppl who swore allegance to there emperor? And wasnt it that said emperor that attacked the United States first. Did or Did not the U.S. ask Japan to surrender? It was a choice Thousands of American soldiers lives to invade Japan and stop the war or thousands of japanese lives to stop the war. While sad but true I think the right decision was made.

Cotto · Post by **Cotto** » October 18, 2002, 9:46 am

I was never instigating a direct attack on America, nor its retaliations for Pearl Harbour.
I simply wish to know when Retaliation ends and War Crimes begin. And what body (U.N etc) decide if someone is a War Criminal, I dont claim to know much about the Geneva Convention, only a small bit of PoW's in it, does this say,

"You may not kill people horribly without declaring war...otherwise its fine."

I dont care enough about America to attack it, sorry,centre of the world, not you.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » October 18, 2002, 9:48 am

Too bad Truman didn't take Kyo's advice and throw flowers and candy at them. WWII would've been so much nicer!

Dropping the bomb on Japan saved my grandfather's life. He was getting transferred from Europe to head up the assualt on Japan. It was a simple matter of us or them.

Quite different than today's "wars" though. It's never about us or them.

Cotto · Post by **Cotto** » October 18, 2002, 10:24 am

More voluntary too.
If it was 1935 Id be the fat fuck on the front line who gets shelled before the fucking film starts

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » October 18, 2002, 10:38 am

Kyu how about presenting the whole story if you are going to call Truman a butcher of Women children and innocents shall we talk about the atrocities committed by the Japanese on all Asian societies China, Korea the Philipines just to mention a few. The rape, torture and murder of women and children were the order of the day. POW's slaughtered and forced into slave labor. Bah you know all this because you know everything right?

This was a society that would rather die than face defeat, fanatical to the point of suicide if defeat was inevitable. As to the attack on Pearl Harbor being a military target, well guess what The Japanese attacked before they had officially declared war on the US, thus making every single death at Pearl Harbor a death of an innocent.

Although the use of the A-Bomb was a regrettable choice it was a necessity to bring that conflict to an early close.

Had Truman not used the bomb I am sure you would now be calling him the butcher of American Soldiers for not using the bomb when he could have. We will never know but somehow I suspect that if there is a side to choose you will forever side with the anti-establishment.

Try again Kyu

Zygar_ Cthulhukin · Post by **Zygar_ Cthulhukin** » October 18, 2002, 10:45 am

It's Friday, need happier threads today!

Cotto · Post by **Cotto** » October 18, 2002, 10:48 am

I did see a program a while ago about the plans the Japense were going to take before the A-Bomb.
They had designed a 1-man submarine, which, like their kamakazie planes, had the sole purpose for going out and blow up. Apparently one of them had enough fire power packed into the front that it could take out an aircraft carrier (however i wasnt making them so i cant be sure).
Be pretty fucking hard for the navy to avoid a horde of torpedo's that couldnt be easily stopped and had the ability to readjust its path.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » October 18, 2002, 10:52 am

War crimes are determined by the UN Security Council. I was searching on Google for a solid definition of a War Crime but it kept referring back to the UN. So it isn't just the United States that makes that determination. There are 5 permanent members, USA, France, China, Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom. There are 10 other member countries that serve 2 year terms.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » October 18, 2002, 11:08 am

http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/war.term/olympic.html

http://www.dean.usma.edu/history/dhisto ... w2al50.htm

Above are some links to great information in reguards to the planned Allied Invasion of Japan.

Basically, if we hadn't dropped the bomb, we would've cut Japan off from the rest of the world and starved them to death. Then, we would've invaded the southern isle and turned it into a giant airport where we would have proceeded to carpet bomb the populace 24-7 until they surrendered. The death toll from the atomic bombs was considerably less than the alternative for both sides of the conflict. Hence, that is why it was used.

Anuin · Post by **Anuin** » October 18, 2002, 11:14 am

My question is when would someone have used the bomb if we didn't use it during WW2? Would we have used it after we developed bombs 100's of times stronger when other nations have them as well? Perhaps the detonation showed the world the true horror of a nuclear weapon.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » October 18, 2002, 12:18 pm

War is ugly. We did not start these wars. I can guarantee you one thing, if it comes down to us or them, then I hope they find their 100 virgins to be satisfactory. If the US and friends was to go in and wipe out every middle eastern country right now, I would not shed one single tear. These people know nothing but war and have never stopped in 2000 years. Do you think that if the US was not in existence that it would stop?

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » October 18, 2002, 1:40 pm

Another great link about the planed attack on the Japaneese homeland

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropol ... nfall.html

Here's a rather boring, but accurate account of the decision to use the Bomb.

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/books/70-7_23.htm

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » October 18, 2002, 1:44 pm

For reading these boards for ~3 years, I must say, this is like the 14th fucking coversation about US v. JPN in WW2. Fucks sake already.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » October 18, 2002, 1:55 pm

2 words

Audie Murphy

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » October 18, 2002, 2:21 pm

I think he has a new movie out, Vor.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » October 18, 2002, 2:22 pm

Double O nine and a half?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 18, 2002, 4:41 pm

Pubin wrote:kyoukan is there anything that you admittedly dont' know anything about? I sure wish I knew everything. What a tremendous responsibility to be all knowing. BADASS martial artist, PROGRAMMER extraordinaire, GAME DESIGN expert, HISTORIAN summa cum laude (in U.S. history nonetheless!!!), CANADIAN resource management professional. I mean wow when do you find the time?

who pissed in your cheerios

I don't know how to program. I can turn on microsoft word without help though. I'm not a game designer either. Nor have I ever claimed to be such. Does it make your tiny penis hard to make up weird shit about people or something?

I mean, I'm really sorry if I am smarter and better than you but you don't have to get all uppity about it. If I know more things than you do that is really your problem not mine.

Jesus, this is why I don't like sharing anything about myself.

Post by **Xouqoa** » October 18, 2002, 5:08 pm

I heard Kyo is a porn star, irl.

It must be true.

Krindol · Post by **Krindol** » October 19, 2002, 7:05 am

Just because she can suck the chrome off of a trailer hitch doesnt make her a porn star, right Kyo? Hey! Spit that out before you choke!

Krin

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 19, 2002, 8:18 am

And another loser crawls out of the bowels of obscurity to brainlessly regurgitate more has-been blabber from another has-been comedian. Not fit to be unoriginal and boring, he decides that he is destined for unoriginal, boring, stupid and lacking taste. Congratulations sir; you win today's prize. Whoever the fuck you are. Wear it proudly.

Pubin · Post by **Pubin** » October 19, 2002, 9:27 am

Yeah, maybe my tiny penis is jealous. That is one possible case.

Here is what I think.

I think you keep google minimized in a second window and spout facts that you quickly research on every fucking topic that is posted here. A truely intelligent person knows that SOMETIMES the occasion rises where one keeps their mouth shut and admits ignorance. You, on the other hand, feel obligated to comment on everything. You are likely not "smarter" than I, you just talk better shit on a message board.

Claiming to be better than someone is so silly I won't even go there. Seriously though, get some couth and know when not to chime in.

Oh, and Fox news pissed in my Cheerios and I am taking it out on you, thanks for asking.

VariaVespasa · Post by **VariaVespasa** » October 19, 2002, 10:46 am

Heh, I think Kyoukan and I have already done this one and Audie Murphey. If I wasnt so damned lazy I'd just go cut and paste the whole pair of threads from flamevault to save some time.

*Hugs*
Varia

Krindol · Post by **Krindol** » October 19, 2002, 2:20 pm

"who peed in your cheerios" ? now there is a classy remark, and truly original.

It's highly amusing for someone who clearly thinks of themselves as very clever to keep showing yourself to be such an ass.

It would take far too long to sort through all the revisionist history bullshit you've managed to post, so I wont even try.

You may consider seeing a doctor so you can stop taking your yeast infection out on other people. =)

Searyx · Post by **Searyx** » October 19, 2002, 3:15 pm

Fuck sake? It's a good drink, dammit!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 19, 2002, 5:29 pm

Krindol wrote:It would take far too long to sort through all the revisionist history bullshit you've managed to post, so I wont even try.

Nice one. You could totally take apart my facts and make look stupid but you won't bother. However you just wanted to let me know that you could if you wanted to! Wonderful. Thanks for posting! .

Pubin, some people call using google to find links relevent to their arguments "backing their debate up with fact." I guess others like yourself call it "talking shit on a messageboard" shrug. If somehow I wounded your pride by not even talking to you, and showing a knowledge above and beyond the spawn time on the froglok garbageman I am really sorry. Someone asked a question and I answered it.

warriorsoul · Post by **warriorsoul** » October 19, 2002, 11:03 pm

Funny picture. Only on vv can a simple picture turn into a pissing contest with someone trying to prove how smart they are on a msg board that 99% of the population could care less about.

Klydon · Post by **Klydon** » October 20, 2002, 1:07 pm

If we want to go through a great exercise of looking back and regard historical events that took place as "stupid" or "should have never been done", then lets take a look at the fire bombing of Dresden. The city had zero military value at that point in the war and was clogged with hundereds of thousands of civilian refuges trying to escape the Red Army. The people that died in this bombing numbered far more than Hiroshima or Nagasaki and that bombing accomplished absolutely nothing while Hiroshima and Nagasaki brought Japan to the peace table.

It is always easy to critisize decisons after events and outcomes take place, but the people making the decisions don't have that luxury and they certainly don't have all the information available. I imagine Admiral Kimmel would have like to known what was going to happen the mourning of December the 7th and I am sure that Admiral Nagumo would have like to known that 3 American carriers were in the vicinity of Midway Island, or that then President Bush would have not taken care of Sadam when he had the chance, given the situation we are in today. Unfortunately, they did not know and the rest, is as they say, history.

I also think there is a certain amount of truth to "the victor of a war writes the history" and that generally, opponents are the ones accused of war crimes, while a nation/side's own people that might have performed questionable acts (internment of Japanese-Americans durning WWII) generally get let go as "doing their duty" or "following orders".

As far as the picture above, most Americans would probably say "damm right!", but then most Americans don't understand the Muslem faith very well. It is not fair to lump all of the Muslems together in one big group. That would be like someone who is a Muslem lumping all Catholics, Southern Baptists, etc in one group.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » October 20, 2002, 1:46 pm

Pubin wrote:
"I think you keep google minimized in a second window and spout facts that you quickly research on every fucking topic that is posted here"

She proved that when she thought she was an authority on my Tennessee Governor and proceeded to tell me everything about him and how I was wrong about his political viewpoints...I live in TN, she lives in CANADA for crying out loud!

VeeshanVault

Jihad This!

Jihad This!

That image is rather stupid