Girl, 12, blamed by judge for sex attack.

[Drasta]

heh this one lady i work with bought her sons pocket pussy's and they are only 16 and 17 .. she also buys them porn and stuff ... she told me "they are going to do it anyways"

[Aaeamdar]

What a load of horseshit.

You sound like you're trying to rationalize a case for allowing adults to have sex with children.

Well, that's certainly one way to avoid the issue. Good to see you have been taking lessons from Carl Rove. Perhaps you'd like to dicuss my hypothetical illegitimate black child?

[Metanis]

What a load of horseshit.

You sound like you're trying to rationalize a case for allowing adults to have sex with children.

Well, that's certainly one way to avoid the issue. Good to see you have been taking lessons from Carl Rove. Perhaps you'd like to dicuss my hypothetical illegitimate black child?

Thank you for the nice compliment.

[Winnow]

Besides the few regular flamers, I haven't seen a counter arguement to my proposals or alternate solution that would be effective.

I see people that love to whine but rarely make suggestions. Toshira, for example, is the classic whiner in the mold of Michael Moore. Bitch bitch bitch about things and make a flip remark about someone elses actual stab at a solution and move on to the next thread.

As you can see from the psycho girl video, teenagers are highly confused and unstable when it comes to the emotions involving sex partners. Adults aren't much better actually but they are a little less naive.

The answer is clear but will never happen. Non permanently sterilize everyone at birth and then request pregnancy permits. Sex is a natural instinct that can't be totally controlled especially with many forms of drugs influencing decisions on top of the powerful desire to breed we already possess. A simple example of this: Get drunk, fuck.

I know most liberals will immediately shout "big brother!" but is there another answer? Education will help but won't remove our instincts. Unless there is a way to dull the natural sexual instincts we have to breed, we aren't going to avoid this problem. I'd rather have births/pregnancies conrolled than have my emotions/instincts dulled.

This would solve the abortion problem as well except for the controversy over aborting known defective babies from scans because I am not proposing limiting pregnancies in any genetic way, only the requirement to make a distinct conscious decision to become pregnant and eliminated the bazillion unwanted pregnancies. You could argue for a morning after pill but then the abortion freaks jump in and rant and rave.

Come to think of it, this post only has to do with unplanned pregnancies as sexual child abuse remains with or without the pregnancy factor.

Who's with me!? What say you anti abortion people? Every pregnancy is meant to be because it's god's will? What about you pro choice people? Are you in favor of the wait and react John Kerry approach sort of like he has on terrorism? ...lets wait until they get pregnant and then respond to the problem?

I personally see zero problem with unfettered sexual activity among everyone with the sole restriction of the "slider age" for kids between 15-17. Fuck away! Sex rocks and there's nothing "evil" about it. The only problem with sex is unwanted pregnancies, sexual diseases and abuse of children or the mentally challenged.

Solutions:

1. control pregnancies, zero refusal policy for pregnancy requests but you must activily make a decision to become pregnant beyond loss of reason initiated by strong sexual instincts.
2. sexual diseases are bad, sex itself is not bad. Promote protection from these and not deterrence of sex.
3. revamp sexual education to focus on the emotional side of sex and eliminate the biological issue.
4. implement the slider rule and continue harsh penalties for child abuse.

Raise your hand if you've had an abortion or caused an unwanted pregnancy. I know some will say some unplanned pregnancies are good but the majority aren't.

A counter argument would be that not controlling pregnancies but removing our instinctual desire to breed would make us less violent, waste much less time pondering and persuing sex, and allow us to focus on more intellectually stimulating things.

Or...leave it as it is and battle over abortions for eternity.

[kyoukan]

gee winnow, imagine someone making a flip remark instead of a reasonable argument.

do you even have the faintest idea of what a fucking dumbass you are? that is easily the most hypocritical thing I've ever seen _anyone_ say. I've put up with almost 3 years of you _trying_ to be funny and failing so fucking miserably at it that I can't stand the fucking thought of you for no other reason than the fact you are an annoying bastard. not only are you not funny but you aren't smart. you finally crawl out of your own asshole one time and make some half-hearted retard attempt at actually stating something meaningful (even though it was still pretty stupid), and you try to flame someone roughly twenty times smarter than you are over being flip? am I in the fucking twilight zone?

[Metanis]

am I in the fucking twilight zone?

Kooky, you may be too young for the Peanuts cartoons, but for the rest of the board I'll continue; you all remember the little fella that had a rain cloud permanently positioned above his head? That's Kooky... she's in a permanent Twilight Zone right underneath that little cone hat of hers.

[kyoukan]

I guess that would have made a lot of sense if I spoke and read Fucking Moron fluently.

[Metanis]

I guess that would have made a lot of sense if I spoke and read Fucking Moron fluently.

You must have not noticed the post was directed at

for the rest of the board I'll continue

[Winnow]

gee winnow, imagine someone making a flip remark instead of a reasonable argument.

do you even have the faintest idea of what a fucking dumbass you are? that is easily the most hypocritical thing I've ever seen _anyone_ say. I've put up with almost 3 years of you _trying_ to be funny and failing so fucking miserably at it that I can't stand the fucking thought of you for no other reason than the fact you are an annoying bastard. not only are you not funny but you aren't smart. you finally crawl out of your own asshole one time and make some half-hearted retard attempt at actually stating something meaningful (even though it was still pretty stupid), and you try to flame someone roughly twenty times smarter than you are over being flip? am I in the fucking twilight zone?

Nice flame, but no solution or worthwhile debate. It's not my goal to annoy you but it's a definite bonus that I do. I miss your out of control CAPS responses though.

[Rasspotari]

the worst thing about having a british style justice system is lunatic or arrogant judges that don't have to answer to anyone. although it's debatable whether or not it's better or worse than having elected judges who are desperate to appear "tough on crime" and sentence every minority to 20-to-life for jaywalking or littering.

that said, I don't think 18 and 12 is much of a difference to warrant prison time.

give me rather lunatic and arrogant over 12 uninformed shitheads thanks.

[Dregor Thule]

You proposed sterilizing people at birth, what other response is there than a flip one? Trying to one-up China in the arena of human rights violations within the past 25 years? Or maybe it's just for your convenience sake. If people are stupid enough to not be safe about pregnancies, then they should suffer whatever consequences come their way, abortion or having the baby. For rape victims, same deal.

Heck, since we're talking about regulating peoples abilities to have babies, we better put a race box in their registration form! Limit them dirty foreigners from polluting the country's gene pool.

I know most liberals will immediately shout "big brother!" but is there another answer?

At least you were smart enough to throw up the "liberals" are conspiracy nuts argument, so any dissenting opinion is obviously from a hippie who doesn't know dick.

[Asheran Mojomaster]

You proposed sterilizing people at birth, what other response is there than a flip one? Trying to one-up China in the arena of human rights violations within the past 25 years? Or maybe it's just for your convenience sake. If people are stupid enough to not be safe about pregnancies, then they should suffer whatever consequences come their way, abortion or having the baby. For rape victims, same deal.

Heck, since we're talking about regulating peoples abilities to have babies, we better put a race box in their registration form! Limit them dirty foreigners from polluting the country's gene pool.

I know most liberals will immediately shout "big brother!" but is there another answer?

At least you were smart enough to throw up the "liberals" are conspiracy nuts argument, so any dissenting opinion is obviously from a hippie who doesn't know dick.

I dont realy agree about the sterilization at birth for everyone, but I think parents should have an option of having their children sterilized til they are 18. That is, if they could find some way to do it with no negative side effects at all and no chance for it to really go wrong.

[Dregor Thule]

I dont realy agree about the sterilization at birth for everyone, but I think parents should have an option of having their children sterilized til they are 18. That is, if they could find some way to do it with no negative side effects at all and no chance for it to really go wrong.

I would argue that forcibly sterilizing someone is one of the biggest negative side effects of the argument.

[masteen]

gee winnow, imagine someone making a flip remark instead of a reasonable argument.

do you even have the faintest idea of what a fucking dumbass you are? that is easily the most hypocritical thing I've ever seen _anyone_ say. I've put up with almost 3 years of you _trying_ to be funny and failing so fucking miserably at it that I can't stand the fucking thought of you for no other reason than the fact you are an annoying bastard. not only are you not funny but you aren't smart. you finally crawl out of your own asshole one time and make some half-hearted retard attempt at actually stating something meaningful (even though it was still pretty stupid), and you try to flame someone roughly twenty times smarter than you are over being flip? am I in the fucking twilight zone?

This coming from someone who hasn't said a single interesting thing in the past two years.

[kyoukan]

This coming from someone who hasn't said a single interesting thing ever but for some unusual reason thinks he is Mr. Charisma.

[Winnow]

Masteen knows stuff. He is one of the leading pr0n experts on this board just for starters. I could go on and on but why bother for you. His pr0n expertise is already enough to eclipse your knowledge of anything remotely worthy of you typing text for others to read here.

Useless cranky google bitch.

[Cartalas]

This coming from someone who hasn't said a single interesting thing ever but for some unusual reason thinks he is Mr. Charisma.

I know you are but what am I Defense Kooky you know it well.

[masteen]

The sad part is that you used to be the best poster on this board. Now all your posts are the same crap: either calling Cart and Winnow racist stupids or Metanis, Atokal, and Midnyte stupid racists. The fact that Cartalas has nailed your standard reply when someone other than one of your lapdogs says anything to you should tell you something as well.

[*~*stragi*~*]

Statutory age limits on sex are just stupid. They run into all sorts of completely unfiar harsh results for young couples that choose to have sex. I think the people posting here that 12 y.o. lack the capacity to understand those consequences are fooling themselves. We have rape laws and sexual misconduct laws between adults that require proving a lack of consent. Those laws are adequate to protect youth as well.

At a minimum, and I am not even thrilled with that, there could be a shifting burden based on an arbitrary age limit (maybe 11 with a requirement that the perp. be at least 3 years older) where the presumption was the sex was not consentual, but that presuption would be rebuttable.

I think it is laughable that a 13 y.o. in LA has the capacity to marry, but lacks the capacity to have sex when not married. The whole thing is a crock and has nothing to do with protecting children and everything to do with Christian prudism.

In America sex = bad (at least the public recognition of it). Young people are politically powerless, so there are all sorts of laws that prevent them from acting in the way they would naturally act (sex, drugs, alcohol, etc.) if left alone. All of that is because Christians and other *people of faith* hate the idea that other folks who don't buy into their crap might be having fun. If christians could make all that sex that they hate amoung adults illegal, they'ed do that too. The history of the laws in our Country proves that. Bigamy = illegal, adultry = illegal, buggery = illegal, miscogenation = illegal, contracetives = illegal. All of that was true at some point in our history. Some of it still is. Kids having sex = illegal still. Not because kids can't comprehend sex, but because kids like sex, christians don't, and kids have 0 political power.

What a load of horseshit.

You sound like you're trying to rationalize a case for allowing adults to have sex with children.

Well Metanis, once upon a time a woman was a woman when she began to have her periods and could reproduce. If you believe in god, and god made woman this way, why would you choose an organization of man over god?

In todays day and age though, it makes sense for children to not have sex. Children are irresponsible by nature, and with what STD's are floating around nowdays I would rather tell my child to not have sex until you are responsible enough to practice safe sex, without question, everytime.

ZAP

[Asheran Mojomaster]

I dont realy agree about the sterilization at birth for everyone, but I think parents should have an option of having their children sterilized til they are 18. That is, if they could find some way to do it with no negative side effects at all and no chance for it to really go wrong.

I would argue that forcibly sterilizing someone is one of the biggest negative side effects of the argument.

I don't know, guess the only reason this wouldnt bother me is because I wouldnt mind if I had had this done to me at birth if it was as common as, say, circumcision. Would make things much easier.