With how inept the Dems have been runnin this campaign, I'm beginning to think again it may be possible they are throwing this thing to set up for Hillary in 2008. It just seems to stupid and fucked up for this to be a real attempt at a run for presidency against an incumbent. If they really wanted to win, why would they put up Kerry? They must have known the Reps would shred his pathetic record apart.
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Same old fucktards who can't have an intelligent conversation go ahead and flame away and fuck up this thread like you do every other one.
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Re: Conspiracy
You've already done so. Next!Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:fuck up this thread like you do every other one.
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Well, this really is the right wing version of the leftist "Bush was in on the planning of 9/11" thing. I seriously doubt that, given the tightening control over personal freedoms (which greatly strengthen the advantage of incumbancy, for things like having the pentegon search your war records for more poop to fling, as an example) and the extreme polarization of the country at the moment, the demecrats would make that kind of manuever. It was a more realistic assertation to make that about Mondale or Dole (who I feel got tossed to the wolves by their own parties to get them out of the senate) than about Kerry, just because there is too much at stake and there has never been a more vulnerable incumbant president in the modern era.
Also, I would have to think that given how much racism and general prejudice exists in the country, even in this day and age, the country just would not accept a woman president at this time. This is something I think the power players are acutely aware of. While gays will always vote demecrat (especially given how unwelcome they are among the ranks of conservatives) and the presence of Condi Rice and Powell does not make very many blacks vote GOP, those conservative homemaker women (or redneck women) who are trapped in the mentality of the 1950s will vote for the GOP just because their husband/preacher/jesus/parents told them to. Its a shame, but until some aspects of feminism and free thinking permiate these types of women, that is just how it is.
So in summation, no I don't think this is even in the realm of possibilty, though I do think that the Dems are hedging their bets in case Bush does in fact win, which is why Hillary made an appearence at the DNC. There is just too much at stake at the moment (huge defficit spending, corperate welfare gone crazy, 3-4 Supreme Court justices due to retire, Homeland Security Act) for them not to be making a serious run on the presidency. Its just a shame that Kerry happened to be the best that they were able to field. I would have rather seen Gore make another run on it (since he did in fact win the popular vote last time out), but I can understand his total disgust with politics at the moment.
Also, I would have to think that given how much racism and general prejudice exists in the country, even in this day and age, the country just would not accept a woman president at this time. This is something I think the power players are acutely aware of. While gays will always vote demecrat (especially given how unwelcome they are among the ranks of conservatives) and the presence of Condi Rice and Powell does not make very many blacks vote GOP, those conservative homemaker women (or redneck women) who are trapped in the mentality of the 1950s will vote for the GOP just because their husband/preacher/jesus/parents told them to. Its a shame, but until some aspects of feminism and free thinking permiate these types of women, that is just how it is.
So in summation, no I don't think this is even in the realm of possibilty, though I do think that the Dems are hedging their bets in case Bush does in fact win, which is why Hillary made an appearence at the DNC. There is just too much at stake at the moment (huge defficit spending, corperate welfare gone crazy, 3-4 Supreme Court justices due to retire, Homeland Security Act) for them not to be making a serious run on the presidency. Its just a shame that Kerry happened to be the best that they were able to field. I would have rather seen Gore make another run on it (since he did in fact win the popular vote last time out), but I can understand his total disgust with politics at the moment.
War is an option whose time has passed. Peace is the only option for the future. At present we occupy a treacherous no-man's-land between peace and war, a time of growing fear that our military might has expanded beyond our capacity to control it and our political differences widened beyond our ability to bridge them. . . .
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
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This reminds me of an interview I heard on howard stern this morning that Artie i think gave to a neocon redneck delegate at the RNC.
He started asking him about president Bush's speach and he responded something along the lines of "hes the best president in my lifetime, hes up there with regan blah blah blah"
After a few questions he acknowlaged his opposition to gay rights and abortion (even in rape and incsest cases)
Artie then whent to ask the hick if it would be okay to abort a fetus if scientific evidence were to show that it would be gay...what followed was hilarious, maybe i can find a clip and post it here!
He started asking him about president Bush's speach and he responded something along the lines of "hes the best president in my lifetime, hes up there with regan blah blah blah"
After a few questions he acknowlaged his opposition to gay rights and abortion (even in rape and incsest cases)
Artie then whent to ask the hick if it would be okay to abort a fetus if scientific evidence were to show that it would be gay...what followed was hilarious, maybe i can find a clip and post it here!
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I actually saw a good explanation for this given by Jice (I think) in another thread a few weeks ago.
The Demonrats have so many special interest cocks to suck it proves extremely difficult for them to field a moderate and electable candidate.
(Jice didn't say it quite that way I'm sure)
You would think the Democrats would just ignore the special interests. But they can't because those are the people who turn out in the early primaries to actually vote. So when there was a pack of 8 candiates they had to play up to the gay vote and the feminazi vote and all the other whacked out fringe groups like PETA and NEA.
They could do themselves a world of good if they fixed their nominating processes.
The Demonrats have so many special interest cocks to suck it proves extremely difficult for them to field a moderate and electable candidate.
(Jice didn't say it quite that way I'm sure)
You would think the Democrats would just ignore the special interests. But they can't because those are the people who turn out in the early primaries to actually vote. So when there was a pack of 8 candiates they had to play up to the gay vote and the feminazi vote and all the other whacked out fringe groups like PETA and NEA.
They could do themselves a world of good if they fixed their nominating processes.
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Do you honestly think the republicans are any better? They are even more friendly to special intrest. Gore won the last election democraticly, and Kerry will win this one...i really dont know what the fuck your talking aboutMetanis wrote:I actually saw a good explanation for this given by Jice (I think) in another thread a few weeks ago.
The Demonrats have so many special interest cocks to suck it proves extremely difficult for them to field a moderate and electable candidate.
(Jice didn't say it quite that way I'm sure)
You would think the Democrats would just ignore the special interests. But they can't because those are the people who turn out in the early primaries to actually vote. So when there was a pack of 8 candiates they had to play up to the gay vote and the feminazi vote and all the other whacked out fringe groups like PETA and NEA.
They could do themselves a world of good if they fixed their nominating processes.
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i think both parties are relatively beholding to the speical interests.
for instance that is the whole reason somebody like McCain could never win the nomination. The party establishment would never let a social conservative take the mantle. without a major overhaul in party leadership, they will be obligated to that sector of their constituency.
for instance that is the whole reason somebody like McCain could never win the nomination. The party establishment would never let a social conservative take the mantle. without a major overhaul in party leadership, they will be obligated to that sector of their constituency.
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Uh Republicans have the christian coallition, the NRA, huge corporations, oil companies, saudi royals...The Demonrats have so many special interest cocks to suck it proves extremely difficult for them to field a moderate and electable candidate.
As for Kerry sucking the cock of liberal special interests...you are out of your fucking mind. If anything he is changing his liberal ways to suck the cock of moderates and conservative democrats. He hasn't even come out against the war, which is as corrupt and unreasonable as Vietnam was and he knows it.
Voronwë wrote: The party establishment would never let a social conservative take the mantle. without a major overhaul in party leadership, they will be obligated to that sector of their constituency.
"Is you is or is you isn't my constituency!"
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We've got some work to do before McCain can be nominated!
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Poor, poor simple minded creature. Not only is fighting the war against terrorists just, but so was Vietnam. Vietnam was even very winable. When we left Vietnam it was after a cease fire agreement. It had ended on a good note. Problem is North ietnam broke the cease fire agreement and invaded after we left. Either way it wasn't unjust. It was however monumentaly fucked up by political greed.Keverian FireCry wrote:Uh Republicans have the christian coallition, the NRA, huge corporations, oil companies, saudi royals...The Demonrats have so many special interest cocks to suck it proves extremely difficult for them to field a moderate and electable candidate.
As for Kerry sucking the cock of liberal special interests...you are out of your fucking mind. If anything he is changing his liberal ways to suck the cock of moderates and conservative democrats. He hasn't even come out against the war, which is as corrupt and unreasonable as Vietnam was and he knows it.
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It was in reference to the GOP, but it applies equally well to both parties. No argument there.Metanis wrote:I actually saw a good explanation for this given by Jice (I think) in another thread a few weeks ago.
The Demonrats have so many special interest cocks to suck it proves extremely difficult for them to field a moderate and electable candidate.
(Jice didn't say it quite that way I'm sure)
You would think the Democrats would just ignore the special interests. But they can't because those are the people who turn out in the early primaries to actually vote. So when there was a pack of 8 candiates they had to play up to the gay vote and the feminazi vote and all the other whacked out fringe groups like PETA and NEA.
They could do themselves a world of good if they fixed their nominating processes.
War is an option whose time has passed. Peace is the only option for the future. At present we occupy a treacherous no-man's-land between peace and war, a time of growing fear that our military might has expanded beyond our capacity to control it and our political differences widened beyond our ability to bridge them. . . .
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
what the fucking hell? are you just re-writing history on your own or was that in one of coulter's books?Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Poor, poor simple minded creature. Not only is fighting the war against terrorists just, but so was Vietnam. Vietnam was even very winable. When we left Vietnam it was after a cease fire agreement. It had ended on a good note. Problem is North ietnam broke the cease fire agreement and invaded after we left. Either way it wasn't unjust. It was however monumentaly fucked up by political greed.
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kyoukan wrote:what the fucking hell? are you just re-writing history on your own or was that in one of coulter's books?Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Poor, poor simple minded creature. Not only is fighting the war against terrorists just, but so was Vietnam. Vietnam was even very winable. When we left Vietnam it was after a cease fire agreement. It had ended on a good note. Problem is North ietnam broke the cease fire agreement and invaded after we left. Either way it wasn't unjust. It was however monumentaly fucked up by political greed.
1973
Cease-fire Signed in Paris: A cease-fire agreement that, in the words of Richard Nixon, "brings peace with honor in Vietnam and Southeast Asia," is signed in Paris by Henry Kissinger and Le Duc Tho. The agreement is to go into effect on January 28.
End of Draft Announced
Last American Troops Leave Vietnam
14 Nov 72 President Nixon sends a letter to President Thieu secretly pledging "to take swift and severe retaliatory action" if North Vietnam violates the proposed peace treaty.
April 1973 - President Nixon and President Thieu meet at San Clemente, California. Nixon renews his earlier secret pledge to respond militarily if North Vietnam violates the peace agreement.
June 19, 1973 - The U.S. Congress passes the Case-Church Amendment which forbids any further U.S. military involvement in Southeast Asia, effective August 15, 1973. The veto-proof vote is 278-124 in the House and 64-26 in the Senate.
The Amendment paves the way for North Vietnam to wage yet another invasion of the South, this time without fear of U.S. bombing.
And btw, I haven't read any political pundit books. Last books I read were Dan Brown's two books...Angels and Demons and The DaVinci Code.
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