I love Arnold Schwarzenegger

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » August 31, 2004, 11:26 pm

I really do, but who in the hell writes his speeches, Men on film? Terminate this, girly man that, I'll be back. I was getting sick. We get it man, you were in movies, we have not forgotten.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » August 31, 2004, 11:31 pm

WTF is with the Bush's offsprings? Are they trying to be funny? Im really confused right now

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » August 31, 2004, 11:33 pm

Yea that was kind of spooky. And..my..dad...knows...that..OUTCAST...is ..a...group...and not....a bunch of....misfits.....

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » August 31, 2004, 11:35 pm

Arnold's been doing alright actually...I just don't like the party he supports in general...

-=Lohrno

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » August 31, 2004, 11:36 pm

Yea his speech was ok, it's just a question of being able to stomach all of the cheap snappy catch phrases that his speech writers are getting from movie trivia cards.

Post by **Sylvus** » August 31, 2004, 11:44 pm

Arnold has always been my hero. I was watching his speech going "hell yeah, I think I want to go Republican!" Then I remembered that would mean voting for George Bush, so I guess I'll have to wait until they amend the Constitution to make Arnold eligible to run.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » August 31, 2004, 11:47 pm

his approval ratings just took a big nice dip in cali

Godamn i have never seen so many white people in such a big room, i feel really bad for the token 2 black guys, 3 hispanics, and 1 asian (no gays or arabs of course) as everyone looks at them funny....

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » August 31, 2004, 11:50 pm

Yea that's what's so painful for me. Watching all of these people in my party that I really like and respect giving good speeches, endorse a guy that I absolutely cannot and will not vote for. It's torture.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » August 31, 2004, 11:57 pm

You and McCain both Krim.

I've never seen a larger dodging of any issues that have anything to do with what most people actually need to be concerned about.

It's a campaign of smugness and taglines because the proof is in the pudding, and the pudding tastes like shit right now.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 1, 2004, 12:32 am

Arnold gave an outstanding speech. Of course he didn't discuss anything in depth but man was it motivating. All liberal bashing aside that will come on this board, he just gained the republicans some votes with that speech. Kick ass speech.

The twins were embarrasing.

Laura Bush got through her speech and didn't help or hurt anything. Nice mentionof Stem Cell research though to confuse the swing vote into thinking Bush is doing the right thing on that issue.

So far, McCain, Giuliani and Arnold have done their job well. As sylvus said earlier, I forgot entirely who the president was, Arnold had me fired up and that's what's needed to kick start those swing voters and people who may not have voted for Bush or anyone.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » September 1, 2004, 1:06 am

Yes, I watched Arnolds speech - it was pointless. I mean imagine if Arnold was a democrat, and him giving a speach in *PRIMETIME* how much shit he would have caught from the republicans.

Regardless - yeah, I felt like I was watching failing stand-up comics with the bush twins.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » September 1, 2004, 1:36 am

Krimson Klaw wrote:Yea that's what's so painful for me. Watching all of these people in my party that I really like and respect giving good speeches, endorse a guy that I absolutely cannot and will not vote for. It's torture.

At the end of the day all you can do is vote your conscience. Unlike people like Xzion you obviously applied some intelligence to your decision.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 1, 2004, 11:00 am

Arnold gave an outstanding speech. Of course he didn't discuss anything in depth but man was it motivating.

No depth != good speech. Of course that is just my opinion.. And yeah if he was a Dem you would be bitching up a storm about him.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 1, 2004, 2:04 pm

look at his taxing and spending policies. he is a democrat.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 1, 2004, 2:43 pm

Arnold's speech rocked. I would have liked it even if he gave it at the democrat convention. In fact, I'd be sick to my stomach because it's the kind of speech that changes peoples minds that are spur of the moment or not deep into politics. I liked his line about the troops fighting for one america which countered the democrat's demorilizing "two americas". I like Arnold and what he's done with his life regardless of politics so I enjoy listening to him.

It must have sucked to be Maria Shriver and listen to Arnold say how proud he was to be a republican multiple times and have to keep leaning over to your son whispering, "don't clap!".

Now it's time to see how Cheney does tonight and Bush on Thursday to wrap things up. The knock on Cheney is that he's not charismatic enough and gives dull speeches so we'll see how it goes.

murr · Post by **murr** » September 1, 2004, 4:49 pm

I think my favorite was..

"If you think the government should be responsible to the people and not the people to the government, then you are a Republican."

True, if you use the traditional definition of Republican. Almost precisely the reason why I cannot stand the Republican Party in its current incarnation, which does NOT mesh with the above statement by Arnold.

You shouldn't be responsible to the government, unless you're gay, but gays aren't really people, are they?

That's the message I hear from the Republican party.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » September 1, 2004, 5:20 pm

If you believe that your family knows better how to spend your money than the government does, then you are a Republican.

Is he fucking kidding me? Who the fuck wouldn't think that with how the REPUBLICAN government has been spending your money the past 4 years?

And he just slammed the UN? Wow... it's a good thing right-thinking people don't take these speeches seriously, RNC or DNC. Self-ass-licking grandstanding on both fronts. I'm 15 minutes in and barely keeping myself from closing the window, and I know that this is by far the most tolerable person I could hear speak at this thing.

I may get the Bush daughters speech tho.. should be good for some laughs.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » September 1, 2004, 5:25 pm

I personally like the "girly-man" comment to the hundreds of thousands of people who are now financially worse off(if they're even employed) than four years ago.

Coming from a near billionaire married to a Kennedy, he can have his botox-ridden face rot in hell for all I care.

I'm just amazed how this campaign can thoroughly dodge each and every issue that effects day to day people in this country. Zero accountability

Thess · Post by **Thess** » September 1, 2004, 5:30 pm

My favorite was this...

I finally arrived here in 1968. I had empty pockets, but I was full of dreams. The presidential campaign was in full swing. I remember watching the Nixon and Humphrey presidential race on TV.

A friend who spoke German and English, translated for me.

I heard Humphrey saying things that sounded like socialism, which is what I had just left.

But then I heard Nixon speak.

He was talking about free enterprise, getting government off your back, lowering taxes and strengthening the military. Listening to Nixon speak sounded more like a breath of fresh air.

I said to my friend, "What party is he?" My friend said, "He's a Republican." I said, "Then I am a Republican!" And I've been a Republican ever since!

Considering that never happened.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 1, 2004, 5:50 pm

Thess wrote:My favorite was Arnold saying that Hubert Humphrey and Richard Nixon debates led him to be a republican.

Considering that never happened and all.

eh? I don't recall Arnold saying he was watching a debate:

I finally arrived here in 1968. I had empty pockets, but I was full of dreams. The presidential campaign was in full swing. I remember watching the Nixon and Humphrey presidential race on TV. A friend who spoke German and English, translated for me. I heard Humphrey saying things that sounded like socialism, which is what I had just left. But then I heard Nixon speak. He was talking about free enterprise, getting government off your back, lowering taxes and strengthening the military. Listening to Nixon speak sounded more like a breath of fresh air.

Here's the full speech since it was so good!

Thank you.

What a greeting!

This is like winning an Oscar! ...As if I would know! Speaking of acting, one of my movies was called "True Lies." It's what the Democrats should have called their convention.

My fellow Americans, this is an amazing moment for me. To think that a once scrawny boy from Austria could grow up to become governor of California and stand in Madison Square Garden to speak on behalf of the president of the United States. That is an immigrant's dream. It is the American dream.

I was born in Europe ...and I've traveled all over the world. I can tell you that there is no place, no country, more compassionate, more generous, more accepting and more welcoming than the United States of America.

As long as I live, I will never forget that day 21 years ago when I raised my hand and took the oath of citizenship.

Do you know how proud I was? I was so proud that I walked around with an American flag around my shoulders all day long.

Tonight, I want to talk about why I'm even more proud to be an American - why I'm proud to be a Republican and why I believe this country is in good hands.

When I was a boy, the Soviets occupied part of Austria. I saw their tanks in the streets. I saw communism with my own eyes. I remember the fear we had when we had to cross into the Soviet sector. Growing up, we were told, "Don't look the soldiers in the eye. Look straight ahead." It was a common belief that Soviet soldiers could take a man out of his own car and ship him off to the Soviet Union as slave labor.

My family didn't have a car - but one day we were in my uncle's car. It was near dark as we came to a Soviet checkpoint. I was a little boy, I wasn't an action hero back then, and I remember how scared I was that the soldiers would pull my father or my uncle out of the car and I'd never see him again. My family and so many others lived in fear of the Soviet boot. Today, the world no longer fears the Soviet Union and it is because of the United States of America!

As a kid I saw the socialist country that Austria became after the Soviets left. I love Austria and I love the Austrian people - but I always knew America was the place for me. In school, when the teacher would talk about America, I would daydream about coming here. I would sit for hours watching American movies transfixed by my heroes like John Wayne. Everything about America seemed so big to me so open, so possible.

I finally arrived here in 1968. I had empty pockets, but I was full of dreams. The presidential campaign was in full swing. I remember watching the Nixon and Humphrey presidential race on TV. A friend who spoke German and English, translated for me. I heard Humphrey saying things that sounded like socialism, which is what I had just left. But then I heard Nixon speak. He was talking about free enterprise, getting government off your back, lowering taxes and strengthening the military. Listening to Nixon speak sounded more like a breath of fresh air.

I said to my friend, "What party is he?" My friend said, "He's a Republican." I said, "Then I am a Republican!" And I've been a Republican ever since! And trust me, in my wife's family, that's no small achievement! I'm proud to belong to the party of Abraham Lincoln, the party of Teddy Roosevelt, the party of Ronald Reagan and the party of George W. Bush.

To my fellow immigrants listening tonight, I want you to know how welcome you are in this party. We Republicans admire your ambition. We encourage your dreams. We believe in your future. One thing I learned about America is that if you work hard and play by the rules, this country is truly open to you. You can achieve anything.

Everything I have - my career, my success, my family - I owe to America. In this country, it doesn't make any difference where you were born. It doesn't make any difference who your parents were. It doesn't make any difference if, like me, you couldn't even speak English until you were in your twenties.

America gave me opportunities and my immigrant dreams came true. I want other people to get the same chances I did, the same opportunities. And I believe they can. That's why I believe in this country, that's why I believe in this party and that's why I believe in this President.

Now, many of you out there tonight are "Republican" like me in your hearts and in your beliefs. Maybe you're from Guatemala. Maybe you're from the Philippines. Maybe Europe or the Ivory Coast. Maybe you live in Ohio, Pennsylvania or New Mexico. And maybe, just maybe, you don't agree with this party on every single issue. I say to you tonight I believe that's not only okay, that's what's great about this country. Here we can respectfully disagree and still be patriotic, still be American and still be good Republicans.

My fellow immigrants, my fellow Americans, how do you know if you are a Republican? I'll tell you how.

If you believe that government should be accountable to the people, not the people to the government, then you are a Republican! If you believe a person should be treated as an individual, not as a member of an interest group, then you are a Republican! If you believe your family knows how to spend your money better than the government does, then you are a Republican! If you believe our educational system should be held accountable for the progress of our children, then you are a Republican! If you believe this country, not the United Nations, is the best hope of democracy in the world, then you are a Republican! And, ladies and gentlemen, if you believe we must be fierce and relentless and terminate terrorism, then you are a Republican!

There is another way you can tell you're a Republican. You have faith in free enterprise, faith in the resourcefulness of the American people, and faith in the U.S. economy. To those critics who are so pessimistic about our economy, I say: "Don't be economic girlie men!"

The U.S. economy remains the envy of the world. We have the highest economic growth of any of the world's major industrialized nations. Don't you remember the pessimism of 20 years ago when the critics said Japan and Germany were overtaking the U.S.? Ridiculous!

Now they say India and China are overtaking us. Don't you believe it! We may hit a few bumps - but America always moves ahead! That's what Americans do!

We move prosperity ahead. We move freedom ahead. We move people ahead. Under President Bush and Vice President Cheney, America's economy is moving ahead in spite of a recession they inherited and in spite of the attack on our homeland.

Now, the other party says there are two Americas. Don't believe that either. I've visited our troops in Iraq, Kuwait, Bosnia, Germany and all over the world. I've visited our troops in California, where they train before they go overseas. And I've visited our military hospitals. And I can tell you this: Our young men and women in uniform do not believe there are two Americas!

They believe we are one America and they are fighting for it! We are one America - and President Bush is defending it with all his heart and soul!

That's what I admire most about the President. He's a man of perseverance.

He's a man of inner strength. He is a leader who doesn't flinch, doesn't waiver, does not back down. My fellow Americans, make no mistake about it. Terrorism is more insidious than communism, because it yearns to destroy not just the individual, but the entire international order. The President didn't go into Iraq because the polls told him it was popular. As a matter of fact, the polls said just the opposite. But leadership isn't about polls. It's about making decisions you think are right and then standing behind those decisions. That's why America is safer with George W. Bush as president.

He knows you don't reason with terrorists. You defeat them. He knows you can't reason with people blinded by hate. They hate the power of the individual. They hate the progress of women. They hate the religious freedom of others. They hate the liberating breeze of democracy. But ladies and gentlemen, their hate is no match for America's decency.

We're the America that sends out Peace Corps volunteers to teach village children. We're the America that sends out missionaries and doctors to raise up the poor and the sick. We're the America that gives more than any other country, to fight AIDS in Africa and the developing world. And we're the America that fights not for imperialism but for human rights and democracy.

You know, when the Germans brought down the Berlin Wall, America's determination helped wield the sledgehammers. When that lone, young Chinese man stood in front of those tanks in Tiananmen Square, America's hopes stood with him. And when Nelson Mandela smiled in election victory after all those years in prison, America celebrated, too.

We are still the lamp lighting the world especially for those who struggle. No matter in what labor camp they slave, no matter in what injustice they're trapped, they hear our call, they see our light, and they feel the pull of our freedom. They come here as I did because they believe. They believe in us.

They come because their hearts say to them, as mine did, "If only I can get to America." Someone once wrote: "There are those who say that freedom is nothing but a dream." They are right. It's the American dream.

No matter the nationality, no matter the religion, no matter the ethnic background, America brings out the best in people. And as governor of the great state of California, I see the best in Americans every day - our police, our firefighters, our nurses, doctors, and teachers, our parents.

And what about the extraordinary men and women who have volunteered to fight for the United States of America! I have such great respect for them and their heroic families.

Let me tell you about the sacrifice and commitment I've seen firsthand. In one of the military hospitals I visited, I met a young guy who was in bad shape. He'd lost a leg had a hole in his stomach, his shoulder had been shot through.

I could tell there was no way he could ever return to combat. But when I asked him, "When do you think you'll get out of the hospital?" He said, "sir, in three weeks." And do you know what he said to me then? He said he was going to get a new leg, and get some therapy, and then he was going back to Iraq to serve alongside his buddies! He grinned at me and said, "Arnold, I'll be back!"

Ladies and gentlemen, America is back! Back from the attack on our homeland, back from the attack on our economy, back from the attack on our way of life. We're back because of the perseverance, character and leadership of the 43rd President of the United States, George W. Bush.

My fellow Americans, I want you to know that I believe with all my heart that America remains "the great idea" that inspires the world. It's a privilege to be born here. It's an honor to become a citizen here. It's a gift to raise your family here, to vote here and to live here.

Our president, George W. Bush, has worked hard to protect and preserve the American dream for all of us. That's why I say, send him back to Washington for four more years!

Thank you, America, and God bless you all!

Thess · Post by **Thess** » September 1, 2004, 5:57 pm

He portrayed it as if it was viewed as a single exchange.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 1, 2004, 5:57 pm

hah funny how Arnold talks so much about how he worked his way up considering how hard that would be to do now! Near impossible to move from another country to the US if you're not a Mexican

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » September 1, 2004, 6:18 pm

Well I think Arnold is doing a great job, lets face it, he is a moderate. Whether a Republican or Democrat most moderats, IMHO, tend to be better leaders because they <OMG> actually consider both sides of the issue.

Take Arnold for instance. A poor body builder from Austria who's parents have very little due to the system comes to America. He has been scared since childhood of "communism" and has seen little success from socialism. He comes to America with big hopes and dreams, his buddy translates (most likely very poorly) what the current Presidential canidates are saying. If you have ever translated a document you know that some words, while similar, may have different meanings. The translations sounds like one of the guys is a socialist so Arnold becomes the opposite based on his past life experences.

Over the next 35 years he makes a TON of money, which fits well in this party, but marries into a powerful democratic family. Being who he is he can't change parties but being married he at least listens to the other side and modifies his views accordingly... realizing that supporting a few social programs for the people doesn't make someone a socialist, it makes them human.

There were definitely parts of the speech I didn't agree with but I personally loved the cheesy comments as it lightened the mood. The only thing depressing to me is that he is actually supporting Bush

other than that I think he would actually make a very good President if he could run. Hell I'd vote for him over Kerry, and a few other choice democrats as well, any day. But unless we change the constution that will never happen... but maybe...

Marb

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » September 1, 2004, 6:22 pm

Xzion wrote:his approval ratings just took a big nice dip in cali

Godamn i have never seen so many white people in such a big room, i feel really bad for the token 2 black guys, 3 hispanics, and 1 asian (no gays or arabs of course) as everyone looks at them funny....

Umm Cheney's daughter was there, so you are wrong on half of your exclusions

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 1, 2004, 6:38 pm

Some Arnold quotes:

Milk is for babies. When you grow up you have to drink beer.
Arnold Schwarzenegger

Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million but I was just as happy when I had $48 million.
Arnold Schwarzenegger

It's simple, if it jiggles, it's fat.
Arnold Schwarzenegger

The last three or four reps is what makes the muscle grow. This area of pain divides the champion from someone else who is not a champion. That's what most people lack, having the guts to go on and just say they'll go through the pain no matter what happens.
Arnold Schwarzenegger

"The best activities for your health are pumping and humping."

"I have inhaled, exhaled everything."

"I can look at a chick who's a little out of shape and if she turns me on, I won't hesitate to date her. If she's a good fuck she can weigh 150 pounds, I don't care." -in a 1977 interview with Oui

"Having chicks around is the kind of thing that breaks up the intense training. It gives you relief, and then afterward you go back to the serious stuff."

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » September 1, 2004, 8:27 pm

all that i got from arnold was him trying to entice the immigrants to vote for bush by giving them his childhood story

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 1, 2004, 10:06 pm

Trading vote for green card!

Karae · Post by **Karae** » September 2, 2004, 2:12 am

I think it's telling that the most crooked President in the history of the country is Arnold's political messiah.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » September 2, 2004, 10:07 am

Karae wrote:I think it's telling that the most crooked President in the history of the country is Arnold's political messiah.

Repressed anger can screw up your health.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 2, 2004, 10:18 am

Karae wrote:I think it's telling that the most crooked President in the history of the country is Arnold's political messiah.

Clinton is not Arnolds political messiah.

Kwonryu DragonFist · September 2, 2004, 12:53 pm

Arnie at his best!

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » September 2, 2004, 1:19 pm

Haha right on queue Kwon!

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » September 2, 2004, 1:20 pm

Kwonryu DragonFist · September 2, 2004, 3:18 pm

Well, Arnie would never have become The Governator if he looked like Ross Perot!

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » September 2, 2004, 7:39 pm

and yet he's a botox victim Kwon. I know it hurts to see it, but it's horrifically obvious after Tuesday night.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 2, 2004, 7:50 pm

Chidoro wrote:and yet he's a botox victim Kwon. I know it hurts to see it, but it's horrifically obvious after Tuesday night.

Arnold and Kerry both.

The surgeons claimed Kerry exhibits all the signs of a Botox injection.

"Not only is it Botox, but it's classic bad Botox," Dr. Michael Kane, a surgeon in private practice, told the New York paper.

"His forehead is just way too smooth," Kane said. "It looks weird. It's a bizarre appearance that he's got not a wrinkle. That doesn't happen to 60-year-olds."

Dr. Gerald Ember, an attending plastic surgeon at New York Presbyterian Hospital, said the pictures show a "marked absence of the horizontal lines of the forehead and wrinkles between the eyes."

"Only Botox or a forehead lift would do this," he told the Daily News. "And I say good for him!"

A Boston radio station posed the question to Kerry on the day of the New Hampshire primary. The Massachusetts senator "absolutely" denied receiving Botox treatments.

"I've never even heard it," Kerry said. "Where did this come from? ... I've never even heard of it. Never heard of it."

The Daily News noted the candidate's wife, Theresa Heinz Kerry, has publicly acknowledged using Botox.

Kwonryu DragonFist · September 2, 2004, 11:56 pm

Chidoro wrote:and yet he's a botox victim Kwon. I know it hurts to see it, but it's horrifically obvious after Tuesday night.

Well, we all get old

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » September 3, 2004, 12:01 am

Daily News ehh?

"Fair and balanced" before Fox was a network. I worked for Presby(honestly) for a bit, funny, they don't make comments to the news else the lose their jobs or they're head of their depts. Physicians fall under the same guidelines especially since it's a reknown hospital that gets famous people in their doors on a regular basis and are signed to keep it under confidence.

Kwon, people are lucky to grow old; the alternative is far worse.

Thanks, I'll wear my wrinkles as they come w/ pride.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » September 3, 2004, 1:49 pm

Schwarzenegger criticized for Austrian history gaffes

VIENNA, Austria (AP) -- Austrian historians are ridiculing California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger for telling the Republican National Convention that he saw Soviet tanks in his homeland as a child and left a "Socialist" country when he moved away in 1968.

Recalling that the Soviets once occupied part of Austria in the aftermath of World War II, Schwarzenegger told the convention on Tuesday: "I saw tanks in the streets. I saw communism with my own eyes."

No way, historians say, challenging Schwarzenegger's knowledge of postwar history -- if not his enduring popularity among Austrians who admire him for rising from a penniless immigrant to the highest official in America's most populous state.

"It's a fact -- as a child he could not have seen a Soviet tank in Styria," the southeastern province where Schwarzenegger was born and raised, historian Stefan Karner told the Vienna newspaper Kurier.

Schwarzenegger, now a naturalized U.S. citizen, was born on July 30, 1947, when Styria and the neighboring province of Carinthia belonged to the British zone. At the time, postwar Austria was occupied by the four wartime allies, which also included the United States, the Soviet Union and France.

The Soviets already had left Styria in July 1945, less than three months after the end of the war, Karner noted.

"Let me tell you this: As a boy, I lived for many years across the street from where the Russians were based in Vienna -- and honestly, I never saw a Russian tank there," retiree Franz Nitsch said Friday. "He said it all on purpose -- and that's bad."

In his convention address, Schwarzenegger also said: "As a kid, I saw the Socialist country that Austria became after the Soviets left" in 1955 and Austria regained its independence.

But Martin Polaschek, a law history scholar and vice rector of Graz University, told Kurier that Austria was governed by coalition governments, including the conservative People's Party and the Social Democratic Party. Between 1945 and 1970, all the nation's chancellors were conservatives -- not Socialists.

What's more, when Schwarzenegger left in 1968, Austria was run by a conservative government headed by People's Party Chancellor Josef Klaus, a staunch Roman Catholic and a sharp critic of both the Socialists as well as the Communists ruling in countries across the Iron Curtain.

Schwarzenegger "confuses a free country with a Socialist one," said Polaschek, referring to East European Communist officials' routine descriptions of their countries as Socialist.

Polaschek saw the moderate Republican governor's recollections at the convention as a tactical move. Schwarzenegger, he said, was "using the old Communist enemy image for Bush's election campaign."

"He did not speak as a historian, after all, but as a politician," Polaschek said.

Norbert Darabos, a ranking official of Austria's opposition Social Democratic Party, sharply criticized Schwarzenegger's "disdain for his former homeland."

"The Terminator is constructing a rather bizarre Austria image," he said.

But many ordinary Austrians seemed to be in a forgiving mood Friday over the gaffes.

"Maybe he has a wrong recollection -- it's so many years since he left," said Wilma Fadrany, 32, a Vienna waitress.

"There must be political reasons for such comments," she said. "You've got to tell the (convention delegates) what they want to hear in order to win them over. Politicians always talk the way it fits into their agenda."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/ ... index.html

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 3, 2004, 2:05 pm

Forthe wrote:
Schwarzenegger criticized for Austrian history gaffes

Noone gives a shit about Austrian history gaffs : ) He may have lost 2 votes from Austrian immigrants on that one. I'm surprised he didn't say he went toe to toe with Hitler in the Octagon. Arnold was there for entertainment. He's allowed a little leeway in artistic interpretation.

Edit: oops yes Niff : )

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » September 3, 2004, 2:18 pm

I think you mean Austrian?

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » September 3, 2004, 2:22 pm

Winnow wrote:
Schwarzenegger criticized for Austrian history gaffes

Noone gives a shit about Austrian history gaffs : ) He may have lost 2 votes from Austrian immigrants on that one. I'm surprised he didn't say he went toe to toe with Hitler in the Octagon. Arnold was there for entertainment. He's allowed a little leeway in artistic interpretation.

Edit: oops yes Niff : )

Lying about his experiences isn't artistic interpretation. Its lying.

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » September 3, 2004, 2:23 pm

I used to make the same mistake

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 3, 2004, 2:32 pm

Forthe wrote:
Lying about his experiences isn't artistic interpretation. Its lying.

That's what politicians do.

He isn't lying as he may have recalled it that way. There's no way of knowing if he dreamt it and thought it was reality. If this went to court, it would be very hard to prove that he intentionally lied.

he also said

To think that a once scrawny boy from Austria could grow up to become governor of California and stand in Madison Square Garden to speak on behalf of the president of the United States.

Are you going to call him a liar for calling himself scrawny? Arnold's speech was a light hearted one. Even the Austrians didn't seem to mind much about the comments according to that article.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 3, 2004, 2:41 pm

So it is bad to lie about a blowjob but fine to lie about other things.. I guess I am starting to understand Republicans.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 3, 2004, 2:49 pm

Kelshara wrote:So it is bad to lie about a blowjob but fine to lie about other things.. I guess I am starting to understand Republicans.

That all has to do with your opinion of marriage. I would have had more respect for Clinton if he admitted fooling around and moved on. It's not a big deal. Especially in the democratic party with all the "free love" and hippy shit : )

Clinton would have been loved even more if he said he inhaled and was a swinger.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 3, 2004, 2:54 pm

Yes of course not a single Republican president has ever had an affair!

Man.. you truly are either ignorant or so full of bullshit it isn't even amusing.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » September 3, 2004, 2:59 pm

Kelshara wrote:So it is bad to lie about a blowjob but fine to lie about other things.. I guess I am starting to understand Republicans.

Context.

I'm sure that's over your head... especially down where your head is bobbing.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 3, 2004, 2:59 pm

Kelshara wrote:Yes of course not a single Republican president has ever had an affair!

Man.. you truly are either ignorant or so full of bullshit it isn't even amusing.

huh? Of course Republican presidents have dipped their stick in holes other than their wives. Did you read my comment? I don't care either way. Republican or Democrat.

The only argument involved is if it affects the ability to run the country. In Clinton's case it did as he was stuck sleeping on the couch stressing over it while he was supposed to be making decisions on strikes in Afghanistan on Bin Laden.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 3, 2004, 3:06 pm

No it didn't. You make it sound like it did because it is beneficial for your little mind to think so. If it was a Republican president you would say "Of course it didn't!".