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Sylvos wrote:
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Aslanna wrote:Yeah.. Guess we shouldn't have sympathy for people in California with mudslides and earthquakes either. Such fools!
Damn straight!

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I didn't rat you out. I think it was one of the sopranos. You know how those 5 year olds are :roll:
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You know, I think coasties in Florida are nuts, why not live in shore and still have access to the good parts without the downsides. But on another note, I had a chance at a decent job in LA once and turned it down partially because any place in which you cannot trust the very ground underneath you is not a good palce to plan a long term future.
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masteen wrote:I didn't rat you out. I think it was one of the sopranos. You know how those 5 year olds are :roll:
It was your blood on the bedsheets!


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I'm not sure where you're getting this from but I suppose it's better than fucking crack babies and throwing pennys at veterans!

wtf?
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Kylere wrote:You know, I think coasties in Florida are nuts, why not live in shore and still have access to the good parts without the downsides. But on another note, I had a chance at a decent job in LA once and turned it down partially because any place in which you cannot trust the very ground underneath you is not a good palce to plan a long term future.


Of course, cause cataclysmic earthquakes happen so often. Meanwhile living in Michigan where it gets below -20 degree's F is MUCH safer. Least a hurricane is over in a few mintues cause it blows right past you or over you. Earthquakes well that's just silly. Now freezing fucking cold now that's something to go "wtf' why would you live there?
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I'll take a hurricane once every year for the rest of my fucking life over one winter in the north.

On a side note, since they both blow really hard, shouldn't we name all hurricanes Sylvos?
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eh winters aren't a bad thing, I got bored sick of the no seasons in Texas.
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They're still talking about that one cyclone that hit Austrlia back in 1974 :>

Winter doesn't get below 20F, closest thing we have to natural disasters are bush fires (forest fires)... now if only the internet was cheaper...
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Kylere wrote:You know, I think coasties in Florida are nuts, why not live in shore and still have access to the good parts without the downsides. But on another note, I had a chance at a decent job in LA once and turned it down partially because any place in which you cannot trust the very ground underneath you is not a good palce to plan a long term future.


Of course, cause cataclysmic earthquakes happen so often. Meanwhile living in Michigan where it gets below -20 degree's F is MUCH safer. Least a hurricane is over in a few mintues cause it blows right past you or over you. Earthquakes well that's just silly. Now freezing fucking cold now that's something to go "wtf' why would you live there?
Hey I can dig in versus cold and hurricanes and tornado but I can't do shit but die in an Earthquake.
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Las Vegas has no major natural disasters - sometimes we flood, but depends which area you live in.
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Kylere wrote:
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Kylere wrote:You know, I think coasties in Florida are nuts, why not live in shore and still have access to the good parts without the downsides. But on another note, I had a chance at a decent job in LA once and turned it down partially because any place in which you cannot trust the very ground underneath you is not a good palce to plan a long term future.


Of course, cause cataclysmic earthquakes happen so often. Meanwhile living in Michigan where it gets below -20 degree's F is MUCH safer. Least a hurricane is over in a few mintues cause it blows right past you or over you. Earthquakes well that's just silly. Now freezing fucking cold now that's something to go "wtf' why would you live there?
Hey I can dig in versus cold and hurricanes and tornado but I can't do shit but die in an Earthquake.
You seem to have a bit of a "phobia" to natural desasters.
In this modern day with our technology/warnings/etc you are more likely to die tomarrow on your way to work then you are in your next regions natural desaster
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Thess wrote:Las Vegas has no major natural disasters - sometimes we flood, but depends which area you live in.
Keep an eye on the water level of Lake Mead. Drought is your natural disater waiting to happen:
This latest string of dry years has hit states dependent on the Colorado River basin, at one time a seemingly eternal well for 25 million people, millions of acres of farmland and an assortment of endangered and other animals.
Lakes Powell and Mead, the two massive reservoirs that catch the Colorado, are less than half full, exposing long-submerged landscapes to direct sunlight for the first time in decades. It could take a 10-year run of average rain and snow to refill the reservoirs.

Lake Powell, which straddles the Utah-Arizona border, is at a historic low level. Nevada's Lake Mead has been lower only twice before, counting the period when Lake Powell was filled for the first time.

"We are at a critical juncture in the history of the Colorado River, a river we all depend on for our lives," said Jack August, an Arizona historian who studies water trends.

California draws enough water out of the Colorado for more than 1 million households a year. Seventy percent of San Diego County's drinking water comes from the river.

The frantic hunt for more supplies has states pondering expensive options. Colorado and Nevada are scouting pipeline routes to ship water to parched regions. Some farmers may be paid far more than their crops are worth to leave fields unplanted. Las Vegas home builders have been banned from planting grass in front yards.
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In Arizona, the Marines pitched in to help build watering holes to keep rare sheep from dying of thirst.
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A five-year drought in Nevada is showing no sign of easing, despite a few widely scattered showers in the Reno-Carson City area yesterday and today. The U.S. Farm Services Agency in Nevada meets today to decide whether to recommend a disaster area declaration to the governor and federal Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman. All 17 counties received the declaration last year...


...In the south, Lake Mead is expected to drop below eleven-hundred-25 feet above sea level by year's end, its lowest point in 39 years.

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Nah, no major phobia but really cold is not that big of a deal. I mean I really hate snow, but overall Michigan is not that bad. You can ad another log on the fire easier than protecting yourself from any other problem.
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I have never been in a hurricane, although my aunt and her family were forced out of their home in Mobile, AL back in 81 or 82 (that was one nasty hurricane....flooded the whole Delta region of the Mississippi River!!!) They subsequently moved to CT for some reason!

I had been around for closeby tornados while living in AR, and I found them pretty cool until I saw the devastation they leave behind...many many times over... =/

As far as earthquakes while in CA... those were pretty fun to be in provided you were not at the epicenter..... talk about widespread damage. :(

Up here, well, I guess there is nothing to fear except for the really fucking bad drivers and an extremely remote chance of UTTER DESTRUCTION from one of the volcanos... I was looking at Mt St Helens as I was driving up to the gorge the other day and am still blown away by how much of the mountain is no longer there.

It is hard to rate what kind of natural disaster is worse--they all take lives and property. Mankind cannot win them all, even with warnings in the case of storms and the rare volcano.
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Earthquakes are no big thing to worry about. The bigger ones happen a lot less than tornados and hurricanes. So what if they are unpredictable; life is as well.
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People seem to forget when something happens in California, we are talking about a state more then half the size of the eastern seaboard. Add up all the hurricanes between florida and maryland, the tornadoes, the ice storms etc and see which place is less safe. An earthquake a decade or that crap
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It is pretty easy to see the devastation of the 89 San Fran quake and to a lesser extent(though no less serious) quake in 94 in Northridge. Disasterous events like those stay in memories for a lifetime.... Every 10 years or so sure, but the predictability level is nothing... Hurrcanes do their share of damage, do not discount that all! :D However, there is at least some degree of warning to GTFO! :D
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Fuck hurricanes.

Our power just came on, it was a fun four days with no electricity.

Luckily the house we rent was unscathed by the storm, but it was pretty scary during it. The storm was still a category 2 when it hit Longwood with gusts up to 100mph.
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Xouqoa wrote:Fuck hurricanes.

Our power just came on, it was a fun four days with no electricity.

Luckily the house we rent was unscathed by the storm, but it was pretty scary during it. The storm was still a category 2 when it hit Longwood with gusts up to 100mph.
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Xouqoa wrote:Fuck hurricanes.

Our power just came on, it was a fun four days with no electricity.

Luckily the house we rent was unscathed by the storm, but it was pretty scary during it. The storm was still a category 2 when it hit Longwood with gusts up to 100mph.
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Xouqoa wrote:Fuck hurricanes.

Our power just came on, it was a fun four days with no electricity.

Luckily the house we rent was unscathed by the storm, but it was pretty scary during it. The storm was still a category 2 when it hit Longwood with gusts up to 100mph.

Well at least that lawn of yours got some much needed water :lol:
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I find it highly amusing how staunch supporters of Bush bring up the problems with the environment.
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i was outside on my porch when it went over =p we only got 90mph winds though!
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Siji wrote:I find it highly amusing how staunch supporters of Bush bring up the problems with the environment.
Well Bush is the environmental president after all.
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Canelek wrote:It is pretty easy to see the devastation of the 89 San Fran quake and to a lesser extent(though no less serious) quake in 94 in Northridge.
As a resident of Santa Cruz at the time, heck SC mountains I have to say, the quake wasn't located in SF :P
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Speaking of dumbasses in mobile homes check out the Mobile Home story at http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/ne ... l_hiaasen/
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Siji wrote:I find it highly amusing how staunch supporters of Bush bring up the problems with the environment.
I hope this is not a serious post. I can see how Bush can be blamed for decades of people moving west and changing the the weather patterns by clear cutting forests and changing crop patterns that occurred naturally.

I can also see how he forced 1.2 million people to move to Nevada in the last 20 years...and how he forced those imbeciles to waste billions of gallons of water so they can have grass growing in the front yard of the fucking DESERT home. They have also been forced by that pesky Bush to install 600,000 swimming pools to further sap water supplies. Fucking idiot.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:
Siji wrote:I find it highly amusing how staunch supporters of Bush bring up the problems with the environment.
I hope this is not a serious post. I can see how Bush can be blamed for decades of people moving west and changing the the weather patterns by clear cutting forests and changing crop patterns that occurred naturally.
During his reign in Texas, their pollution level became #1 in the country did it not? Topping even California. He has single handedly turned back more environmental protection laws than I could count. Anything to benefit companies instead of the environment.

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Actually, scratch that. Here you go.

http://www.bushgreenwatch.org/
http://www.nrdc.org/bushrecord/
http://www.foxriverwatch.com/nrda/bush_record.html
http://www.google.com/search?q=bush+env ... =&ie=UTF-8

Kyoto anyone?
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"After barely more than 60 days in office, President Bush has placed a distinctive mark on U.S. environmental policy, rolling back campaign promises on clean air, reversing Clinton administration initiatives on drinking water, and promoting new oil exploration in previously protected regions."
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"REP. RICHARD GEPHARDT: It is a weekly, and now daily, drumbeat of rollbacks, of hard-fought and hard-won progress to protect the air and the water and the wilderness and the environment of this country. This is the most alarming rollback in environmental efforts that we have ever seen."
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"May 03, 2004: A new report sheds light on how corporate contributions to the Bush administration are paying off big for polluters. Since 1999, 30 power companies that own the nation's dirtiest power plants have raised $6.6 million for President Bush and the Republican National Committee, according to an analysis by Public Citizen. Executives at 10 of these utilities raised at least $100,000 or $200,000 each, earning them the honor of being named to the president's list of "pioneers" or "rangers," respectively. These top fundraisers for the president include executives at FirstEnergy Corp. ($865,877), Southern Co. ($807,062), TXU ($754,898), Dominion ($679,105), Centerpoint (formerly Reliant) Energy ($539,900), Cinergy Corp ($431,722), Exelon ($404,856), Edison Electric Institute ($348,750), Dynergy Inc. ($311,382) and Edison International ($192,291). Collectively, these top 10 industry fundraisers have raised $1.5 million over the last 5 years. Public Citizen's report draws a connection between this corporate gift-giving and political paybacks in the form of the administration's weakening changes to the Clean Air Act that benefit the utility industry.

"One of the Bush administration's biggest, most damaging environmental policy changes to date would weaken the Clean Air Act to allow power plants to emit more smokestack pollution," said John Walke, director of NRDC's clean air program.
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WASHINGTON (August 12, 2004) - Federal documents obtained by four environmental groups reveal that a Bush administration policy directive has eliminated federal Clean Water Act protections for streams, wetlands, lakes and rivers across the nation. In a report released today, the groups provide 15 case studies demonstrating how the administration's January 2003 policy directive has prompted federal regulators to avoid protecting ponds, lakes, rivers, and entire watersheds from toxic pollution. The report is available here

"The Bush administration's policy is based on the fantasy that if you let polluters dump sewage, oil and other toxic waste into small wetlands and streams, it won't ultimately wind up in our lakes, rivers and coastal waters," said Daniel Rosenberg, an NRDC senior attorney. "Americans know better, and that's why they support strong Clean Water Act protection for our nation's waterways."

The threat posed by this policy comes at a time when water pollution continues to be one of the nation's most serious environmental problems -- and a central environmental concern for most Americans.

"It is ironic that while the President is touting his goal of a net gain of wetlands, his administration's policy is exposing millions of acres of wetlands, rivers, lakes, and streams to destruction," said Julie Sibbing, a senior legislative representative at the National Wildlife Federation. "An estimated 20 percent of America's wetlands might be open to pollution and development."
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I want to get this straight before I start.....you actually believe Bush is responsible for drought conditions in Nevada?
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I want to get this straight before I start.....you actually believe Bush is responsible for drought conditions in Nevada?
Where the fuck did I say anything about Nevada?
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I want to get this straight before I start.....you actually believe Bush is responsible for drought conditions in Nevada?

This one made me actually laugh out loud. GG.
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Siji wrote: , and promoting new oil exploration in previously protected regions."
So you would rather us rely on oil from the middle east and end up in messes like Iraq? I get it now.
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Bush isn't exactly known for giving a shit about the environment.. he is a typical big business type when it comes to that.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:
Siji wrote: , and promoting new oil exploration in previously protected regions."
So you would rather us rely on oil from the middle east and end up in messes like Iraq? I get it now.
Since you asked, I'd have no problem relying on other countries for things that the US needs. Then again, I'd also like a president and/or government that worked towards improving our relations with those countries that have things we need/want instead of going over and stealing it. Unfortunately too many people think that this round hunk of rock revolves around this chunk of land. Whose fault is it that we 'require' so much oil? Or better yet, that we still require so much and are doing extremely little to try to change that?

If it sucks so much to have to rely on the mid-east and nobody wants to be friendly, why not work harder on finding a way to lessen that need with new technology instead of destroying the planet? Perhaps because oil companies are such large financial contributors? Nah, couldn't be..

btw - I think we were referring to two different things when you quoted my post and I responded. Apologies if so.
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http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/onl ... mdtls.html
However, there was still criticism, as the state of Texas in 1990 ranked first (worst) in the nation in carbon dioxide emissions, discharging more than the United Kingdom, Poland, Canada, and Italy. The 575 million metric tons of carbon dioxide emitted made Texas the seventh largest emitter in the world

As of 1990 Texas was #1 in the nation in emissions. If history serves me, this was before Bush was Governor there. He probably paid the previous Gov to pollute.

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/onl ... /sme2.html
Moreover, according to the Toxic Release Inventory, of the more than 3,000 counties in the United States, Harris County is second in carcinogenic emissions, with nearly eleven million pounds released or transferred in 1988. Two other Texas counties (Brazoria and Jefferson) are among the top ten emitters of carcinogens.

Hmmmm....1988. Again showing Texas is number 1! Also, again well before Bush was involved. Are you seeing any patterns here?


You may also notice that Texas is #2 in the U.S. in population and in number of vehicles. The main reason California is not number 1 in pollution is because they passed extremely stingent anti-pollution laws in vehicles. I applaud Cailofrnia for that, but if you are going to single out a Texas Governor for not doing that, then you have to point your finger at another 48 Governors for the same thing.
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So wait, Kilmoll, are you arguing that Bush is a pretty environmentally conscious president?

Bringing up the 48 other governors is a different argument, as none of them are the incumbent president (though the thread did move in that direction and you were merely following it). All of the facts that you point out are that while Texas was bad when Bush left office there, it was also bad before he came. Did I miss anywhere that says anything about him improving Texas environmentally? Are the items that Siji posted not relevant to an administration with an eye on the environment or not that damaging to the environment or flat-out lies, in your opinion?
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http://www.bushfiles.com/00_04_14/00041 ... onment.htm

In 1998 and 1999 Houston had the single highest recorded ozone levels of any city in the country. A study done by the city of Houston itself shows air pollution causes at least 430 deaths per year, another kind of death penalty.
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It's harder to tell about the pollution of Texas rivers, because after Bush got elected governor, the state virtually stopped monitoring water quality. The pesticide-monitoring program has also been largely abandoned
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When McBee went to work as deputy director of the Texas Department of Agriculture, one of his first acts was to dismantle the right-to-know regulations that protected farmworkers. "It took us years to get the system to work for us," said Flores. "He took it apart in one day."
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According to a 1999 study, "Pesticides and Texas Water Quality" by the Texas Center for Policy Studies, the number of pesticide stations sampled went from twenty-seven in 1985 (under Hightower) to one in 1997. The report details many other inadequacies in the monitoring program.
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The governor of the state with the highest volume of air pollution in the nation accommodated the state's biggest polluters. After almost three decades of unrestrained pollution, he let it continue under the guise of "voluntary compliance." Of the 850 grandfathered polluters, 28 have come up with a plan to reduce pollution, but only 3 have actually done so. Hell of a program.
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Two campaign-finance watchdog groups, Public Research Works and the Center for Responsive Politics, discovered this happy concordance: The companies participating in the industry working group that helped design Bush's voluntary program gave a total of $260,648 to his 1998 gubernatorial campaign -- and $243,900 to his presidential campaign within a month of the opening of his exploratory committee. The largest donor to Bush's last race for governor was a South Texas oil-and-gas operator who gave $101,000. Among those who contributed over $75,000 that year were four energy company C.E.O.s, for a total of $325,000.
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Just one more indicator on air quality -- the number of days when Texas cities violated the one-hour ozone count. For the four years Richards was governor, the numbers are 58, 43, 38, and 48. The numbers for Bush's first term are 88, 38, 69, and 56. Of the twenty-one air-quality indices looked at by the Environmental Defense Fund, all have gotten worse under Bush.
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http://www.commondreams.org/news2000/0301-06.htm

"Praising George Bush on clean air is like thanking John Rocker for his contribution to civil rights," [That was cute..]
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In a November interview, he [Bush] told The New York Times, "the best way to achieve clean air and water was `to not try to sue our way or regulate our way to clean air and clean water.'"
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"The truth is that there is no way to spin the Bush record on air pollution in Texas," said Holmes. "Texas is No 1 in toxic releases, No. 1 in total toxic air emissions from industrial facilities, No. 1 in toxic chemical accidents, No. 1 in cancer-causing pollution. And in 1999, Houston became the Smog Capital of the United States, grabbing the No. 1 spot from Los Angeles."
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Humerous links
http://liberalslikechrist.org/about/bushrecord-1.html
http://liberalslikechrist.org/about/bushrecord-2.html

ENVIRONMENT under George W. Bush:
Out of 50 states, TEXAS rates:

Dead Last in # of Smog days.
Dead Last in Pollution released by manufacturing plants. (6)
Dead Last in Pollution by industrial plants.
in violation of Clean Air Act. (6)
Dead Last in Greenhouse gas emissions. (6)
2nd from Last in Spending for the environment. (7)
3rd from Last in Spending for parks and recreation. (7)
5th from Last in Water Resources Protection.

(6) U.S. EPA, Office of Pollution and Prevention .
(7) Texas Observer.


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yeah but it's Texas...who cares?
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Sylvus wrote:So wait, Kilmoll, are you arguing that Bush is a pretty environmentally conscious president?

Bringing up the 48 other governors is a different argument, as none of them are the incumbent president (though the thread did move in that direction and you were merely following it). All of the facts that you point out are that while Texas was bad when Bush left office there, it was also bad before he came. Did I miss anywhere that says anything about him improving Texas environmentally? Are the items that Siji posted not relevant to an administration with an eye on the environment or not that damaging to the environment or flat-out lies, in your opinion?
I am not saying he is environmentally sound. I am saying he is just like every other politican that is ever going to run for President or Governor. I am sick of the chicken littles who proclaim he is the greatest inherent evil to ever walk the earth, when he is pretty much an average President.

If they want to run someone for President that can claim they did something for the environment, then they can track down whichever Gov instilled the California emissions laws. Of course then everyone would cry about their freedom to pollute being taken away.

How many of you whining fuckers who have posted anything about the environment on this board at all ride a bike to work? I would love to see a list of what vehicles you drive. Do you smoke? Are you polluting the air with dope smoking? Have you purchased new furnaces to be more efficient in output of emissions? Until you can walk the walk, shut the fuck up.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:posted anything about the environment on this board at all ride a bike to work? I would love to see a list of what vehicles you drive.
This has been brought up before, and if I recall, several people on this board ride bicycles to work.

If I weren't 20 miles from work (30+ for the only route a bicycle could legally take) I'd do so myself. But I am and I can't. So since you're so vastly interested.. I ride nice gas efficient honda vehicles. Motorcycle and civic to be exact. My next vehicle? A nice tax breaking Prius or Civic hybrid. I'm quite secure in my daily routines of not wasting energy, as are several other people here.

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First off, there are different degrees of "environmental friendly" when you talk about Presidents and without having facts infront of me, I recall Clinton being more friendly towards it than Bush is. I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong though.
How many of you whining fuckers who have posted anything about the environment on this board at all ride a bike to work? I would love to see a list of what vehicles you drive. Do you smoke? Are you polluting the air with dope smoking? Have you purchased new furnaces to be more efficient in output of emissions? Until you can walk the walk, shut the fuck up.
Rode bicycle to class the entire time, while working back home I took mass communication systems to work every day, here it will depend on how close I get a job since the job market now pretty much suck. There are some buses here though so if I work near one I'll definitely use it. Don't smoke, no idea what kind of heating this apartment complex has though..
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Sylvos wrote:yeah but it's Texas...who cares?
I really dont see any reason to argue after that.
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Kelshara wrote:First off, there are different degrees of "environmental friendly" when you talk about Presidents and without having facts infront of me, I recall Clinton being more friendly towards it than Bush is. I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong though.
How many of you whining fuckers who have posted anything about the environment on this board at all ride a bike to work? I would love to see a list of what vehicles you drive. Do you smoke? Are you polluting the air with dope smoking? Have you purchased new furnaces to be more efficient in output of emissions? Until you can walk the walk, shut the fuck up.
Rode bicycle to class the entire time, while working back home I took mass communication systems to work every day, here it will depend on how close I get a job since the job market now pretty much suck. There are some buses here though so if I work near one I'll definitely use it. Don't smoke, no idea what kind of heating this apartment complex has though..
how do i take a mass communication system to work?
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bleh transportation.. sorry been a bad day :( Not enough coffee, too much browsing for a car and a new job!
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Kelshara wrote:too much browsing for a car and a new job!
Shouldn't one of those preclude the other? Good luck, man.
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Nah :) Got the cash to buy the car when I find one I want.. just picky heh. Not to mention I might consider moving out of Ohio to a more technological area.
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