AvP - Runtime: 1hr, 27min.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » August 13, 2004, 8:37 am

Who's going?
Hitting it as soon as I get off work today.

miir · Post by **miir** » August 13, 2004, 9:23 am

20th Century Fox opted out of doing any advance press screenings.
Is this movie really going to be that bad?

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » August 13, 2004, 9:25 am

hah.
Strangely enough I really don't care, I just want to watch the fights.

I am pathetic, I know.
This is what.. Alien 5 and Predator 3?
The premise for each by this point is a lil old.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » August 13, 2004, 10:53 am

As long as the action is cool I wont be dissapointed. I know they had to probably put in some sort of lame story to make it work on the screen

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » August 13, 2004, 10:57 am

At least you get a choice of what you are watching. I promised my kids I would take them to experience the wonderment of Yu Gui Yo! or however it is spelled. Wild Friday night ahead!!!!!

miir · Post by **miir** » August 13, 2004, 11:00 am

AVP is PG13!!!

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 13, 2004, 12:06 pm

I read something on a different board written by someone who has seen it.. this is NOT me but here is what he said:

Well, as the title says, just saw the movie. And suprise, suprise it was abit better then I thought it would be. Don't get me wrong, Aliens2>>>>AvP. But it was a hell of OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS better then Aliens 3,4. Hell, I liked it more then the 2 Pred movies. I give it 6..maybe a 7. Very fast paced movie, but you don't really get a feel for any of the characters. Also, it's a pretty obvious plotline without OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of twist. The fighting and special effects tho....Wow.

noel · Post by **noel** » August 13, 2004, 2:19 pm

And the winner of the 2004 'Straight to DVD' award is...

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » August 13, 2004, 3:18 pm

Hehe, when i first heard of it, i also thought straight to video, but the trailers seem COOL.
Im sure the plot can be ingraved on a pinhead, but the effects seem cool enough. And besides, if you wanna see a badguy vs badguy movie, this movie can NOT be worse than Freddy vs Jason (yes, i saw a rip, luckily didnt pay for it. And i still want those lost hours back).

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » August 13, 2004, 3:34 pm

I'd love to see it in the theatre but I can't seem to find the time to go these days. this is one movie that I would really like to see too. I have been waiting for this since Predator 2 revealed that Alien skull. Then after reading all the Dark Horse comics about it, I was even more stoked that this movie could actually be made. I remember reading an interview with the creator/director/producer/whoever who said that this movie HAD to be made.

Mawafu · Post by **Mawafu** » August 13, 2004, 3:54 pm

miir wrote:AVP is PG13!!!

And this is why I will not go see it...

noel · Post by **noel** » August 13, 2004, 3:59 pm

Rottentomatoes.com weighs in:

"AVP is a pretty movie to look at with its grandiose sets and top notch creature FX, but it's a lot like Anderson's previous works in that it's all facade and no foundation."
-- Staci Layne Wilson, HORROR.COM

"Who is the big winner in Alien Vs. Predator? Everyone who avoids going to see the film."
-- Willie Waffle, WAFFLEMOVIES.COM

"'Whoever Wins...We Lose!' Thank you, Fox, for the truth in your advertising."
-- Collin Souter, EFILMCRITIC.COM

"Who wins? Who cares in the slow and silly AvP?"
-- Steve Rhodes, STEVE RHODES' INTERNET REVIEWS

"like watching a very non-scary, screeching, interstellar cockfight"
-- Annette Cardwell, FILMCRITIC.COM

"Has been rendered impotent by the insane demands of a studio obsessed with the PG-13 rating. An attractive but empty horror-lite version."
-- Dustin Putman, THEMOVIEBOY.COM

"Alien vs. Predator is a cool-looking lunchbox that's full of rocks."
-- Scott Weinberg, EFILMCRITIC.COM

"In this contest it's boredom and stupidity that are victorious...though loud and brutally paced and edited, far more silly than scary."
-- Frank Swietek, ONE GUY'S OPINION

"Without a kinky moment towards the end where it seems like Alexa is going to lay a big wet one on a Predator, there's almost no reason to stay awake."
-- Walter Chaw, FILM FREAK CENTRAL

icknay · Post by **icknay** » August 13, 2004, 7:37 pm

Sorry but I give 0 credit to actual movie critics. More often than not I love the movies they hate and vice versa.
Seeing the above negative reviews assures that I'll see this movie.

noel · Post by **noel** » August 13, 2004, 8:45 pm

icknay wrote:Sorry but I give 0 credit to actual movie critics. More often than not I love the movies they hate and vice versa.
Seeing the above negative reviews assures that I'll see this movie.

You're a bad man!

The above critics aren't exactly Gene Siskel.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » August 13, 2004, 9:01 pm

Ok, saw it.

[Show]: It's short. You have 30 minutes of story setup (and it's kinda beleivable) then the movie takes the cast of 15ish humans + 3 predators and brings it down to 2 humans 1 predator and 6 bugs within 20 minutes. The last 30 boils down to Human + Predator vs Bugs, culiminating in a queen bitchfight (MAN she's evil in this movie) that takes up the last portion.

There's no character development, aside from Alexus. None, I mean zero. That's ok because of how fast the movie goes. It's literaly a rollercoaster.

The effects are great. The alines look REALLY good.. the scene with the first one standing atop it's predator victim is almost a work of (freaky) art.

And, natch, there's a setup for AvP2 at the end. If you've played the pc game, you can probably guess what it is.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » August 14, 2004, 3:07 am

Was about what I expected, some cheezy parts but 1 thing:

[Show]: The First Alien v Pred fight was pretty damn wicked, even tho the Pred lost my god that was a nice fight. If there where 2-3 more of those it would have been a top movie of the year for me! I didnt want story, just action.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » August 14, 2004, 3:41 am

Not even an hour and a half long? How much character development can there actually be..

Etasi · Post by **Etasi** » August 14, 2004, 3:48 am

I thought this movie was laughably stupid. It's okay though, because the eight guys sitting in front of us seemed to be getting enough enjoyment out of it for all of us.

I don't find any real intrinsic coolness in the aliens (I've enjoyed some of the other aliens movies but their scariness was totally gone here), and the predators are ridiculous looking in my opinion, so I don't think I'm exactly in the target audience. If the movie had just been 78 minutes of aliens vs predator action, I would've been okay with it, but the plot and dialogue were stupid to the point of unintentional comedy ("The enemy... of my enemy.. is my friend!" hurrr). I really didn't find the action scenes all that compelling or cool, either, and I'm usually willing to forgive bad movies if they have good action.

Short version: don't go see this unless you're a real alien and/or predator fanboi. The action isn't cool enough to entertain you unless you have a hardon for one or both of the franchises already.

noel · Post by **noel** » August 14, 2004, 4:40 am

On a related note, have you ever noticed how it's the hardcore fanbois that lash out the hardest when the movie doesn't live up to their expectations? The few fanboi posts/reviews I've read today where they didn't like the movie were just unrelenting in bagging on the movie.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » August 14, 2004, 6:02 am

noel wrote:
icknay wrote:Sorry but I give 0 credit to actual movie critics. More often than not I love the movies they hate and vice versa.
Seeing the above negative reviews assures that I'll see this movie.
You're a bad man!

The above critics aren't exactly Gene Siskel.

Which is good since he is dead!

Acies · Post by **Acies** » August 14, 2004, 7:46 am

[Show]
This movie is a classic example of a great concept, with a great following, with great hype, taken advantage of by bad film makers. I can only recall a few good parts in this movie, but the acting was so horrible, you can't help but laugh at the cheezy dialogue. The film lost me when the second predator was killed in less than a few minutes after the fighting actually started. For all the hype, there was very little fighting in between the Aliens and Predators...which of course negates the entire concept of the film. At some points in the movie I got flashbacks from XXX with Vin Diesel during the cheezy roof scene, the 2003 Remake of Rollerball and some of the old Sylvester Stalone action movies with the ever present running from the explosions cheeze fest. I am horribly dissapointed in this movie and quite frankly the film makers need a good beating for turning such an anticipated film into a "B" movie. Very poor effort, the film could have been great, and all that was needed was a little input from some actual fans on what we really wanted to see. They could have cut out the entire first half of the movie, made it all about the battle in between the Aliens and Predators, made the big bad guy the Predalien instead of the Queen and this movie would have been all the better for it. Wait for this to go to a dollar theatre....although even then I think you will feel cheated.

I am saddened by this movie.

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » August 14, 2004, 8:51 am

Ha, don't listen to the critics!

I'm going to see it!

We've been waitin for the Aliens VS Predator setup for 10 years now!

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » August 14, 2004, 9:04 am

For what it was, it was good, and the runtime was fairly appropriate. The Predators were badasses, but ive always been a fan of them. It was nothing more then an action flick, and if you know what your getting into and your not expecting a great LOTR epic then you'll have a good time

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » August 14, 2004, 9:44 am

One thing bugged me, now that I think about it.

[Show]: The gestation times were horribly off. The humans pop'd right open seemingly within minutes of being hugged, while the predator didn't pop until the end of the movie and well after it had been killed. Reflex action for those bugs is to pop the corpse as soon as the host is dead as a safety measure.. that, and the tissue begins to decay, which doesn't provide a pleasant enviornment to grow in.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » August 14, 2004, 12:25 pm

Took my son last night and his best friend, we had a good time and very much liked the movie.

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » August 14, 2004, 3:20 pm

Akaran_D, i have an answer to your latest spoiler!

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » August 14, 2004, 10:14 pm

Well? Answer. =p

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » August 15, 2004, 3:11 am

Haha 10% rating on rottentomatoes.com and im still gonna see it cause it just looks fun. Not good, but fun. I've always enjoyed the Alien movies as well as both Predator movies, so even if this is the cheesiest movie ever, I think I'll enjoy it plenty.

One thing though...WHAT THE FUCK were they thinking making it PG-13?? All the Aliens and Predator movies were R, and now with Aliens AND Predators in one movie, it is some how less violent? I want to see people eaten alive or having their chests explode? Not scene transitions when someone is a bout to die...that is the lamest thing ever.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » August 15, 2004, 4:13 am

Reason it is PG-13? $$

You have a wider potential audience on PG-13 rated movies than you do on R.

It's all about the benjamins!

Farrel · Post by **Farrel** » August 16, 2004, 12:09 am

One emote describes my feelings after seeing this:

Anticipated for almost a decade-and-a-half, my child-hood "omg, wouldnt it be cool if they made a movie about this" story was just bent over in front of Paul W.S. Anderson and fucked incredibly beyond redemption.

noel · Post by **noel** » August 16, 2004, 1:29 am

Very cool Ken Watanabe avatar.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » August 16, 2004, 6:57 pm

Etasi wrote:Short version: don't go see this unless you're a real alien and/or predator fanboi. The action isn't cool enough to entertain you unless you have a hardon for one or both of the franchises already.

Seems to me that you have it backwards, if you go to see a decent action flick you get what you pay for. Most fanbois are the ones really complaining.

Etasi · Post by **Etasi** » August 17, 2004, 12:52 am

Trek wrote:Seems to me that you have it backwards, if you go to see a decent action flick you get what you pay for. Most fanbois are the ones really complaining.

My experience with it has been exactly the opposite. Shrug.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 17, 2004, 7:23 pm

My post is a LOT spoiler, but I'm not blacking it out. YOU ARE WARNED.

AvP was decent, but they could (and should) have done so much more.

The scene where the last predator marks Alexa and makes a shield out of the head of her first kill was very cool, and to me embodies what the whole movie should have been shooting for: character development through actions and not shitty dialogue. Fuck all the people who flew in w/ Alexa, they were fodder for the serpents; she and the last predator were the main characters.

Showing the predator's realization that humans have grown beyond the backwater species we were when they first found our world 10,000 years ago should also have been a larger theme in this movie. The predators are a species in desperate need of strong allies. Until now, humans have only been useful to them as incubators to test their young warriors against the enemy.

Also, they needed to touch on the fact that the Predators and Aliens are at WAR, and have been for eons. The way it came off in this flick, the Predators were just using us to hone their hunting skills.

Deneve · Post by **Deneve** » August 18, 2004, 3:31 am

This is a movie I would not normally go to see but I won tickets so I decided to grab a friend and head out. I enjoyed it more than I thought I would and found the plot line to have enough depth to keep me relatively intriuged for the majority of the movie. The action scenes were badass as expected and the Predator+Human duo was pretty cool too.

Deneve · Post by **Deneve** » August 18, 2004, 3:32 am

*EDIT*Fucking hell, i didn't even think a triple post was possible....

Deneve · Post by **Deneve** » August 18, 2004, 3:33 am

*EDIT*Fucking hell, i didn't even think a triple post was possible....

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » August 18, 2004, 4:31 am

AvP comes to Sweden in November, and i'm lookin forward to it!

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » August 18, 2004, 10:43 am

I never really got that, Masteen.
In all the AvP books I've read (including the origional screenplay - the one that this movie didn't follow) and the game, the story usually starts out the same: Predators bring Aliens to the area to hunt, they hunt, they usually win.

If the Predators had been serious about teh fight in the temple, ALL of them would have come down - they were using it for training and honor marking, nothing more

Out of curiosity. What lead you to those assumptions? Maybe I'm missing something.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 19, 2004, 1:19 pm

You're right about the happenings in the temple; it's just a rite of passage.

I was under the impression that the reason they have such a rigorous test is because they are actually fighting against these same creatures in the galaxy-at-large. I could be wrong, as it's been almost a decade since I read any of the comics.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » August 19, 2004, 1:30 pm

This is a species that lives to hunt... in the books, they regard humans (aka Soft Shells) as the most dangerous of all species because we can fight back with technology on par with theirs (in the books, at least, durring Ripley's time or close to it) because of our weaponry (pulse rifles, combat craft, motion detectors) and our resourcefulness.

The bugs (aka, Hard Shells) they don't dick around with. When they hunt them, they do it with plasmacasters and assorted other heavy weaponry when they need to clean out a nest (usually to capture a queen). Then for a rite of passage, they'll take a few eggs, let the Huggers do their jobs on a fw animals or whatever is handy, then drop off a few Hunters armed with little more than their spears, nets, and wristblades as a true "man against beast" type fight to wear the honor mark and become a "true warrior".

When push comes to shove against the bugs.. they don't waste time. High orbit nukes, plasma fire (remember the thing that made the ice tunnel?), and ground weaponry that would give Ashcroft a boner the size of his own ego.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 20, 2004, 2:28 pm

Akaran_D wrote:When push comes to shove against the bugs.. they don't waste time. High orbit nukes, plasma fire (remember the thing that made the ice tunnel?), and ground weaponry that would give Ashcroft a boner the size of his own ego.

Perhaps war is too strong a word for the bugs. Galactic infestation might be better.

I remember how little screen time they spent on that cannon. I've gone over Paul W.S. Anderson's films, and I've come to the conclusion that he is a fucking hack. I don't know how he keeps getting hired.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » August 20, 2004, 2:47 pm

Galatic infestion is well said..
Ever wonder how many species have been wiped out by those things?

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 23, 2004, 5:36 pm

Akaran_D wrote:Ever wonder how many species have been wiped out by those things?

I always wanted to find out more about the aliens that built the ship the Nostromo found in the first movie.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » August 23, 2004, 10:29 pm

yeah, me too. They use those same craft and alien designs in the AvP games, exp AvP2.

icknay · Post by **icknay** » August 30, 2004, 5:05 pm

icknay wrote:Sorry but I give 0 credit to actual movie critics. More often than not I love the movies they hate and vice versa.
Seeing the above negative reviews assures that I'll see this movie.

As predicted...I liked this movie. I went in with knowledge that I was not going to see an award winner...just a fun flick. And I was not disappointed. It was cool and I hope there's an equally fun sequel some day.

Once again, movie critics (both professional and the armchair wannabes)
have poor taste compared to my own...or maybe that's the other way around. Either way I don't care...I liked the movie

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 30, 2004, 5:42 pm

Had I gone into this movie with low expectations, I would have liked it more. However, I went in knowing the lore of the AvP comic books as well as having seen Alien, Aliens, and Predator at least 20 times each.

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » August 31, 2004, 6:02 am

Next is...

Aliens vs. Predator vs. Terminator #1,
written by Mark Schultz, illustrated by Mel Rubi & Christopher Ivy,
begins a crossover of all three franchises in which Ellen Ripley leads a team of soldiers on a raid on a lab experimenting with the Aliens...

only to discover that the "scientist" in charge is actually a Terminator.

The initial assault costs the lives of several of Ripley's team (including the blonde babe in the foreground).

As for the Predator, that comes in later...

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » August 31, 2004, 7:51 am

predators,a nd even aliens would fuck the shit outa terminators, they wouldnt hold any chance

Nilaman · Post by **Nilaman** » August 31, 2004, 9:26 am

The one thing that really bothered me was that I was expecting to see more types of aliens.