At least Bush served his full Term.Markulas wrote:now that's politics. I bet Bush knew what the war was like 1000 miles away.
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If he was treated by a doctor for a wound (no matter how minor) suffered while on duty in a combat zone, then a Purple Heart was 'awarded' appropriately.One in particular was supposedly the doctor that treated him for the wound that he got the last Purple Heart for.
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the doctor who claims to be the guy who treated Kerry isnt the one who signed the treatment records on the Purple Heart form, so take that for what it is.Boogahz wrote:Heard that on talk radio yesterday. I think the host was talking about getting some of the people in it to come forward on-air on a future date for more details. One in particular was supposedly the doctor that treated him for the wound that he got the last Purple Heart for.
John McCain came out this morning and said the commercial was "dishonest and dishonorable" and encouraged the Bush administration to condemn the ad.
the "Swiftboat Vets" used the same people to make the ad that made the advertisements against John McCain in South Carolina in 2000 where they lied about him opposing Breast Cancer research.
basically, more of business as usual from the Republican Party and the Bush administration. It of course isn't the Bush administration who funded the commercial, but i think it is unlikely that they didn't have an informal approval process, considering how extremely well organized and on top of things Karl Rove is. A fly doesn't land on George Bush by accident basically.
no he didntCartalas wrote:At least Bush served his full Term.Markulas wrote:now that's politics. I bet Bush knew what the war was like 1000 miles away.
I love how you try to not only justify Bush's actions in the natl guard, not only downgrade Kerry's heroic acts in veitnam, but actually try to say Bush did better serving his country in the armed forces. Either your trying to pull a few strings or you are fucking BLINDED in ignorance
This is what pisses me off about politics, why dont you guys cut the bullshit every once in a while and give credit where its due
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miir wrote:If he was treated by a doctor for a wound (no matter how minor) suffered while on duty in a combat zone, then a Purple Heart was 'awarded' appropriately.One in particular was supposedly the doctor that treated him for the wound that he got the last Purple Heart for.
Not from what I hear!! You need to be out of action for 3 days.
Im sorry Xzion I will give credit where credit is due.Xzion wrote:no he didntCartalas wrote:At least Bush served his full Term.Markulas wrote:now that's politics. I bet Bush knew what the war was like 1000 miles away.
I love how you try to not only justify Bush's actions in the natl guard, not only downgrade Kerry's heroic acts in veitnam, but actually try to say Bush did better serving his country in the armed forces. Either your trying to pull a few strings or you are fucking BLINDED in ignorance
This is what pisses me off about politics, why dont you guys cut the bullshit every once in a while and give credit where its due
Thank you Mr. Kerry for you 3 months of military svc.
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The requisites are pretty easy to find.
I snipped some of the filler, but all the pertinent information is listed below.
a. The Purple Heart is awarded in the name of the President of the United States to any member of an Armed Force or any civilian national of the United States who, while serving under competent authority in any capacity with one of the U.S. Armed Services after 5 April 1917, has been wounded or killed, or who has died or may hereafter die after being wounded .
(1) In any action against an enemy of the United States.
(2) In any action with an opposing armed force of a foreign country in which the Armed Forces of the United States are or have been engaged.
(3) While serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.
(4) As a result of an act of any such enemy of opposing armed forces.
(S) As the result of an act of any hostile foreign force.
(6) After 28 March 1973, as a result of an international terrorist attack against the United States or a foreign nation friendly to the United States, recognized as such an attack by the Secretary of the Army, or jointly by the Secretaries of the separate armed Services concerned if persons from more than one service are wounded in the attack.
(7) After 28 March 1973, as a result of military operations while serving outside the territory of the United States as part of a peacekeeping force.
A wound is defined as an injury to any part of the body from an outside force or agent sustained under one or more of the conditions listed above A physical lesion is not required, however, the wound for which the award is made must have required treatment by a medical officer and records of medical treatment for wounds or injuries received in action must have been made a matter of official record.
(4) Examples of enemy-related injuries which clearly justify award of the Purple Heart are as follows:
(a) Injury caused by enemy bullet, shrapnel, or other projectile created by enemy action.
(b) Injury caused by enemy placed mine or trap.
(c) Injury caused by enemy released chemical, biological or nuclear agent.
(d) Injury caused by vehicle or aircraft accident resulting from enemy fire.
(e) Concussion injuries caused as a result of enemy generated explosions.
5) Examples of injuries or wounds which clearly do not qualify for award of the Purple Heart are as follows:
(a) Frostbite or trench foot injuries.
(b) Heat stroke.
(c) Food poisoning not caused by enemy agents.
(d) Chemical, biological, or nuclear agents not released by the enemy.
(e) Battle fatigue.
(f) Disease not directly caused by enemy agents.
(g) Accidents, to include explosive, aircraft, vehicular, and other accidental wounding not related to or caused by enemy action.
(h) Self-inflicted wounds, except when in the heat of battle, and not involving gross negligence.
(i) Post traumatic stress disorders.
(j) Jump injuries not caused by enemy action.
I snipped some of the filler, but all the pertinent information is listed below.
a. The Purple Heart is awarded in the name of the President of the United States to any member of an Armed Force or any civilian national of the United States who, while serving under competent authority in any capacity with one of the U.S. Armed Services after 5 April 1917, has been wounded or killed, or who has died or may hereafter die after being wounded .
(1) In any action against an enemy of the United States.
(2) In any action with an opposing armed force of a foreign country in which the Armed Forces of the United States are or have been engaged.
(3) While serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.
(4) As a result of an act of any such enemy of opposing armed forces.
(S) As the result of an act of any hostile foreign force.
(6) After 28 March 1973, as a result of an international terrorist attack against the United States or a foreign nation friendly to the United States, recognized as such an attack by the Secretary of the Army, or jointly by the Secretaries of the separate armed Services concerned if persons from more than one service are wounded in the attack.
(7) After 28 March 1973, as a result of military operations while serving outside the territory of the United States as part of a peacekeeping force.
A wound is defined as an injury to any part of the body from an outside force or agent sustained under one or more of the conditions listed above A physical lesion is not required, however, the wound for which the award is made must have required treatment by a medical officer and records of medical treatment for wounds or injuries received in action must have been made a matter of official record.
(4) Examples of enemy-related injuries which clearly justify award of the Purple Heart are as follows:
(a) Injury caused by enemy bullet, shrapnel, or other projectile created by enemy action.
(b) Injury caused by enemy placed mine or trap.
(c) Injury caused by enemy released chemical, biological or nuclear agent.
(d) Injury caused by vehicle or aircraft accident resulting from enemy fire.
(e) Concussion injuries caused as a result of enemy generated explosions.
5) Examples of injuries or wounds which clearly do not qualify for award of the Purple Heart are as follows:
(a) Frostbite or trench foot injuries.
(b) Heat stroke.
(c) Food poisoning not caused by enemy agents.
(d) Chemical, biological, or nuclear agents not released by the enemy.
(e) Battle fatigue.
(f) Disease not directly caused by enemy agents.
(g) Accidents, to include explosive, aircraft, vehicular, and other accidental wounding not related to or caused by enemy action.
(h) Self-inflicted wounds, except when in the heat of battle, and not involving gross negligence.
(i) Post traumatic stress disorders.
(j) Jump injuries not caused by enemy action.
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What's their motivation for coming out with this? Are they making money? Getting positive recognition? Seeking political office?
What's their motivation for coming out with this? Are they making money? Getting positive recognition? Seeking political office?
Time makes more converts than reason. - Thomas Paine
what is the Special Forces guy's motivation to "lie" and say he was under fire when John Kerry dragged him out of the water?
what is the Special Forces guy's motivation for approaching the Kerry campaign in Janurary i think and volunteering to help his campaign? He was not solicited.
Rekaar, these guys have a financial interest. They are publishing a book. They have formed a political organization that has received millions of dollars in donations. One of hte things they have done with that money is buy television commercials.
They are selling a book, and gaining political influence. I wouldnt be surprised if the organizer has political ambitions. that is his right, but it certainly doesn't take a genious to imagine such motivations.
what is the Special Forces guy's motivation for approaching the Kerry campaign in Janurary i think and volunteering to help his campaign? He was not solicited.
Rekaar, these guys have a financial interest. They are publishing a book. They have formed a political organization that has received millions of dollars in donations. One of hte things they have done with that money is buy television commercials.
They are selling a book, and gaining political influence. I wouldnt be surprised if the organizer has political ambitions. that is his right, but it certainly doesn't take a genious to imagine such motivations.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200408050007
FOX News Channel's Hannity & Colmes and MSNBC's Scarborough Country both gave free airtime on August 4 to a new, misleading ad sponsored by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a recently formed group dedicated to attacking Senator John Kerry's record during and after his service in Vietnam. Both programs devoted segments to the ad, airing it the day before its scheduled release, but left out key facts that discredit Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
In an August 5 interview with the Associated Press, Senator John McCain (R-AZ), "a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, called the ad criticizing John Kerry's military service 'dishonest and dishonorable' and urged the White House on Thursday to condemn it as well."
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth did not serve alongside Kerry
In the new ad, members of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth claim that they "served with John Kerry." Hannity & Colmes co-host Sean Hannity echoed the false claim, saying that the veterans in the ad are "the people that know him best," and referred to them as "some of his fellow crewmates." Even Pat Halpin, who was filling in for co-host Alan Colmes, called them "some of John Kerry's crewmates." Scarborough echoed Swift Boat Veterans' misleading claim that they "served with John Kerry in Vietnam."
While the veterans attacking Kerry in the ad are veterans of the Vietnam War and may have served at the same time as Kerry, as The New York Times reported on August 5, the Kerry campaign noted that "none of the men had actually served on the Swift boats that Mr. Kerry commanded." Adm. Roy F. Hoffman, one of the veterans in the ad, has even "acknowledged he had no first-hand knowledge to discredit Kerry's claims to valor," the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported on May 7, "and said that although Kerry was under his command, he really didn't know Kerry much personally."
In contrast, many of the veterans who have appeared on the campaign trail with Kerry did serve alongside him. The Wall Street Journal's Albert R. Hunt noted in his August 5 "Campaign Journal" column, titled "Sham Charges Against a War Hero" (subscription required): "Indeed, 10 of the 11 men who served on his two swift boats all have sworn by John Kerry; nine living members were in Boston [for the Democratic National Convention]."
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth's Republican ties
As Media Matters for America previously noted, on May 4, Salon.com's Joe Conason detailed Swift Boat Veterans for Truth's ties to the Republican Party. In addition to pointing out that the group's founder, John O'Neill, has long-standing ties to the GOP that can be traced back to the Nixon administration, Conason also reported that among the people behind Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is "veteran corporate media consultant and Texas Republican activist Merrie Spaeth, who is listed as the group's media contact."
As MMFA has documented, both Hannity & Colmes co-host Alan Colmes (on May 28) and FOX chief political correspondent Carl Cameron (on May 4) reported the group's Republican ties on FOX News Channel; on May 4, Scarborough mentioned criticism of O'Neill's "dirty tricks" for the Nixon administration. While Scarborough did mention on August 4 that the group was part of the "Republican counteroffensive" "prepar[ing] to release blistering attacks in John Kerry's Vietnam record," Hannity completely ignored the group's ties to the GOP.
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth doctor did not sign Kerry's medical record
Neither Hannity nor Scarborough bothered to note that Dr. Louis Letson, who is featured in the ad claiming to have treated Kerry for the wound that earned him his first Purple Heart and claiming that it was undeserved, was not the medical official who signed Kerry's medical records for the wound. The Kerry campaign noted this fact in a report in The New York Times and a report in the Los Angeles Times that surfaced when Letson first unleashed this attack in May.
In criticizing the ad, McCain told the Associated Press, "'It was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me'... referring to his [McCain's] bitter Republican primary fight with President Bush," according to the AP. As Conason reported on May 4, "The 'swift boat' veterans attacking John Kerry's war record are led by veteran right-wing operatives using the same vicious techniques they used against John McCain four years ago." Conason explained that Spaeth (the group's media contact) participated during the 2000 Republican primary contest in TV ads that "falsely attack[ed]" McCain's environmental record in California, New York, and Ohio.
McCain might have been referring as well to attacks on his military record by Ted Sampley and Thomas Burch, both Vietnam veterans, during the 2000 primary season. As Media Matters for America previously reported, Sampley hounded McCain as a "Manchurian Candidate" -- suggesting that the decorated veteran and former prisoner of war was a brainwashed communist agent -- and was convicted for misdemeanor assault related to an attack on one of McCain's legislative aides. Sampley is the leader of a group called Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry. During the 2000 Republican primary in South Carolina, Burch, according to a February 22 report in the Chicago Tribune, "stood with George W. Bush at his side and accused Sen. John McCain of Arizona of opposing health care for Persian Gulf war veterans and blocking efforts to locate POW-MIAs, saying the former prisoner of war "came home from Vietnam and forgot us."
— K.B. & N.C.
Im not gleeing about anything..I think the whole thing is sad...And I really do want to find out what happened now. Cause ya have some guys saying how great he was then some guys that served with him how bad he was.....Thats pretty serious normally vets would never come out so harsh on someone they served with.
I think its sad, but I guess Kerry asked for it, because he started the attacks against Bush during the primarys on his service. Then he gloated like hell which I saw as a negative thing about his service. Military Vets dont gloat it so much....Like with that movie and how he had a camera crew follow him around...saying hed be the next JFK. He was in the elite group back then and the elite have major power on both sides. So now Im not sure who to believe. I still think hes a war hero for his silver star...but I also think hes a abuser that will say anything anyway he can to get elected.
His speech I thought was great that he gave for example, But thats cause to me it sounded like a Republican speech and we all know from his record HE IS NOT Moderate by any means and acting like he is=moronic.
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I think its sad, but I guess Kerry asked for it, because he started the attacks against Bush during the primarys on his service. Then he gloated like hell which I saw as a negative thing about his service. Military Vets dont gloat it so much....Like with that movie and how he had a camera crew follow him around...saying hed be the next JFK. He was in the elite group back then and the elite have major power on both sides. So now Im not sure who to believe. I still think hes a war hero for his silver star...but I also think hes a abuser that will say anything anyway he can to get elected.
His speech I thought was great that he gave for example, But thats cause to me it sounded like a Republican speech and we all know from his record HE IS NOT Moderate by any means and acting like he is=moronic.
Anyways gotta log
i just watched Van Odel the leader of the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth interviewed on Hannity and Colmes, followed by Bob Rassmun (first name may be wrong) the guy who Kerry rescued to earn his bronze star.
a couple things:
Of the $150,000 towards the media buy (the commercials), $100,000 came from a single source major supporter of George Bush, a man whom Mr. Odel had previously had real estate ties to (he admitted all of this on the show when pressed).
Mr. Odel, did not serve on the same boat as Sen. Kerry as noted above. Mr. Odel also acknowledged that the doctor in the TV commercial did not do the work on John Kerry regarding the Purple Heart even though in the commercial they claim he did.
edit: also Odel slips and said that a doctor did actually remove shrapnel from Kerry during the medical treatment following the event in question, which sign seals and delivers a Purple Heart to you. If you have shrapnel in you, that = Purple Heart.
So basically, he admits there are straight up lies in the commercial.
INterestingly, Mr. Rassman - the Special Forces guy rescued by Kerry - says he was more or less a Republican for 33 years following the Vietnam War.
the most substantial difference between the two is that Mr. Odel was evasive at every question asked, while Mr. Rassmun answered all questions directly and closed saying "the American people will be the ultimate arbiters of this discussion, and that is as it should be."
This will backfire on Bush, and it should. Tom Oliphant a noted writer for the Boston Globe was interviewed earlier today, saying that people have tried to go after Kerry on this several times in Senatorial campaigns, and have failed miserably. Oliphant questioned the wisdom of the move by the Republicans, and also suggested that many of Rove's maneuvers have failed of late. He compared Rove to James Carville who famously led Bill Clinton's first electoral victory. Carville only played a minor roll in the 2nd victory and had limited - if any - administration function. It is widely acknowledged that Rove has a substantial roll as a constant advisor to the president regarding the management of his political image throughout this term. Oliphant suggested that the extremely demanding nature of the last 6 years on Mr. Rove are perhaps showing some cracks in his extremely skillful approach to managing political races. basically, he was implying fatigue. who knows. Karl Rove is great at what he does, only a fool would underestimate him .
a couple things:
Of the $150,000 towards the media buy (the commercials), $100,000 came from a single source major supporter of George Bush, a man whom Mr. Odel had previously had real estate ties to (he admitted all of this on the show when pressed).
Mr. Odel, did not serve on the same boat as Sen. Kerry as noted above. Mr. Odel also acknowledged that the doctor in the TV commercial did not do the work on John Kerry regarding the Purple Heart even though in the commercial they claim he did.
edit: also Odel slips and said that a doctor did actually remove shrapnel from Kerry during the medical treatment following the event in question, which sign seals and delivers a Purple Heart to you. If you have shrapnel in you, that = Purple Heart.
So basically, he admits there are straight up lies in the commercial.
INterestingly, Mr. Rassman - the Special Forces guy rescued by Kerry - says he was more or less a Republican for 33 years following the Vietnam War.
the most substantial difference between the two is that Mr. Odel was evasive at every question asked, while Mr. Rassmun answered all questions directly and closed saying "the American people will be the ultimate arbiters of this discussion, and that is as it should be."
This will backfire on Bush, and it should. Tom Oliphant a noted writer for the Boston Globe was interviewed earlier today, saying that people have tried to go after Kerry on this several times in Senatorial campaigns, and have failed miserably. Oliphant questioned the wisdom of the move by the Republicans, and also suggested that many of Rove's maneuvers have failed of late. He compared Rove to James Carville who famously led Bill Clinton's first electoral victory. Carville only played a minor roll in the 2nd victory and had limited - if any - administration function. It is widely acknowledged that Rove has a substantial roll as a constant advisor to the president regarding the management of his political image throughout this term. Oliphant suggested that the extremely demanding nature of the last 6 years on Mr. Rove are perhaps showing some cracks in his extremely skillful approach to managing political races. basically, he was implying fatigue. who knows. Karl Rove is great at what he does, only a fool would underestimate him .
Wasn't the shrapnel allegedly from his own grenade used blowing up a rice bucket or something? 
Having trouble buying your take on this being a big money making scheme voro. They really won't make that much split all those ways for starters. But why would all those men (over 150 or something) put themselves into the fray and likely ruin their personal lives for a couple bucks? Totally regardless of the truth of their stories they have knowingly opened themselves up wide for personal attacks. How much would it take to buy you into a lie like that?
Oh and the doctor! If there's more than one docotor in a facility, is it not possible to be treated by more than one? Do they all sign?
Not serving on kerry's boat doesn't mean they weren't 50 feet away or engaged in the same events either. It doesn't discredit any of their stories if they're not on the same rowboat since none of them claim to have been. Their stories are about what they saw. Kerry's stories area bout what he saw. They contradict, and we'll eventually get to the bottom of it.
Maybe they are lying. Maybe they're just bitter about being, in their words, betrayed by John Kerry when he testified before the Senate. I'm sure they are. Is that reason enough you think? Obviously this should get a lot of investigative reporting from the libs. I doubt the results will sway you no matter what is uncovered, and the same for me really.
Who cares where the money to put it on the air came from? Whether or not what they say is true is what matters. Just because (gasp!) someone who opposes kerry and sees this as a benefit to that cause aids in getting the message out seems immaterial to me. Did you expect Ted Kennedy to foot the bill for the ads? ;p
Why has Kerry made his 4 months in Vietnam the focus of his campaign rather than his 20ish years as a Senator anyway?

Having trouble buying your take on this being a big money making scheme voro. They really won't make that much split all those ways for starters. But why would all those men (over 150 or something) put themselves into the fray and likely ruin their personal lives for a couple bucks? Totally regardless of the truth of their stories they have knowingly opened themselves up wide for personal attacks. How much would it take to buy you into a lie like that?
Oh and the doctor! If there's more than one docotor in a facility, is it not possible to be treated by more than one? Do they all sign?
Not serving on kerry's boat doesn't mean they weren't 50 feet away or engaged in the same events either. It doesn't discredit any of their stories if they're not on the same rowboat since none of them claim to have been. Their stories are about what they saw. Kerry's stories area bout what he saw. They contradict, and we'll eventually get to the bottom of it.
Maybe they are lying. Maybe they're just bitter about being, in their words, betrayed by John Kerry when he testified before the Senate. I'm sure they are. Is that reason enough you think? Obviously this should get a lot of investigative reporting from the libs. I doubt the results will sway you no matter what is uncovered, and the same for me really.
Who cares where the money to put it on the air came from? Whether or not what they say is true is what matters. Just because (gasp!) someone who opposes kerry and sees this as a benefit to that cause aids in getting the message out seems immaterial to me. Did you expect Ted Kennedy to foot the bill for the ads? ;p
Why has Kerry made his 4 months in Vietnam the focus of his campaign rather than his 20ish years as a Senator anyway?
I dont care about some Bush contributer putting up OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS money for it at all....Democrats had one of there elite Sorros(sp) Moveon.org and Michael Moore(bull shit nazi type propaganda film..cant believe some idiots buy into it...people who believe over 20% of that shit are total morons period.) This election is already in the trash heep for elections with still a long time ago. I hope no other election is so crappy, but chances are theyll only get worse till were cutting each others throats or actually killing each other...I bet the day after Bush wins Hillary when announce her campaign for 2008...
Man this crap is so lame no wonder so many Americans dont vote (I will deff. be one voting though
, but understand.).....It seems the only way you can survive is get people like Carvel and Rove to run it or the other guys will squash you way before hand.
Man this crap is so lame no wonder so many Americans dont vote (I will deff. be one voting though

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FUCKING RETARD. HELLO? I ALREADY DEBUNKED THIS YOU STUPID PIECE OF SHIT. WAKE UP MORON.Sirton wrote:New comercial from soldiers that served with him...
http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite. ... o_wmv.html
War pickles men in a brine of disgust and dread.
Im sorry I didn’t notice Karae and his propaganda filled mind. Your post are about as fun to look at, as your skid marked underwear.
I'm not being rude. You're just insignificant.
Idiot I was just linking the commercial cause I didn’t actually see it, and if you could actually read you’d see my post were more on the lines how sad politics has gotten on both sides….The only thing I said about the shit was its basically worth taking a deeper look into.
I'm not being rude. You're just insignificant.
Idiot I was just linking the commercial cause I didn’t actually see it, and if you could actually read you’d see my post were more on the lines how sad politics has gotten on both sides….The only thing I said about the shit was its basically worth taking a deeper look into.
Why do you say that? Because the right wing propganda machine told you? Shit, i bet you havent even seen the movie.Sirton wrote:I dont care about some Bush contributer putting up OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS money for it at all....Democrats had one of there elite Sorros(sp) Moveon.org and Michael Moore(bull shit nazi type propaganda film..cant believe some idiots buy into it...people who believe over 20% of that shit are total morons period.) This election is already in the trash heep for elections with still a long time ago. I hope no other election is so crappy, but chances are theyll only get worse till were cutting each others throats or actually killing each other...I bet the day after Bush wins Hillary when announce her campaign for 2008...
Man this crap is so lame no wonder so many Americans dont vote (I will deff. be one voting though, but understand.).....It seems the only way you can survive is get people like Carvel and Rove to run it or the other guys will squash you way before hand.
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Bush is not a moderate but hes acting like he is, calling Kerry "out of the mainstream" for supporting civil liberties and social freedoms too much...While his ass trys to alter the consitution 7 TIMES during his presidency, mainly for the use of stripping libertys that are against his morals. So whos out of the mainstream?Sirton wrote:Im not gleeing about anything..I think the whole thing is sad...And I really do want to find out what happened now. Cause ya have some guys saying how great he was then some guys that served with him how bad he was.....Thats pretty serious normally vets would never come out so harsh on someone they served with.
I think its sad, but I guess Kerry asked for it, because he started the attacks against Bush during the primarys on his service. Then he gloated like hell which I saw as a negative thing about his service. Military Vets dont gloat it so much....Like with that movie and how he had a camera crew follow him around...saying hed be the next JFK. He was in the elite group back then and the elite have major power on both sides. So now Im not sure who to believe. I still think hes a war hero for his silver star...but I also think hes a abuser that will say anything anyway he can to get elected.
His speech I thought was great that he gave for example, But thats cause to me it sounded like a Republican speech and we all know from his record HE IS NOT Moderate by any means and acting like he is=moronic.
Anyways gotta log
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This is all about distracting voters from the real issues, and suppressing voter turnout.
Sirton you hit the nail on the head "no wonder Americans dont vote". The people who run these campaigns are specifically trying to supress mainstream voter turnout. This means that the extreme elements of either party have a higher proportion of impact at the polls - making the candidates have to cater to their extremist supporters to energize their "base".
Sirton you hit the nail on the head "no wonder Americans dont vote". The people who run these campaigns are specifically trying to supress mainstream voter turnout. This means that the extreme elements of either party have a higher proportion of impact at the polls - making the candidates have to cater to their extremist supporters to energize their "base".
Xzion.Why do you say that? Because the right wing propganda machine told you? Shit, i bet you havent even seen the movie.
Noway Im gonna watch it I saw some snips from it on the news. I saw it live with my own eyes, not edited to make me see it someone elses way politicizing a event like that in such a negative way I wish the guy was shot...and Im not gonna make that piece of shit SoB more money..what has he actually done in Iraq to help those people?
Ill only watch it when I want my blood to pump and it wont make him money...
What do you think Michael Moore is...a left wing propaganda person...I dont listen to him just like I shouldnt listen to right wing propaganda BS.
Moveon.org
Fahrenheit 9/11
swiftboat vets against Kerry
all=sad
but being a republican I was tuned in to the swifboat deal, just like many anti-Bush people got tuned into Fahrenheit 9/11...When both are just BS.
Voronwe is the only one that really goto the point of my post "no wonder Americans dont vote". And he explained better than I can the details.
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Interesting that Michael Moore can stir up such emotion and such hatred by simply making a movie that makes you think.
If Fahrenheit 9/11 is just lies and propaganda, disprove his claims and get over it.
You don't see 'Liberals' posting here saying that Ann coulter should be shot, calling her a nazi or a piece of shit. We just tear apart her nut-job rantings and laugh that anyone seriously eats up the shit she's shoveling.
Your extreme reaction to Michael Moore indicates that what he is saying might actually have some semblance of truth to them.
If Fahrenheit 9/11 is just lies and propaganda, disprove his claims and get over it.
You don't see 'Liberals' posting here saying that Ann coulter should be shot, calling her a nazi or a piece of shit. We just tear apart her nut-job rantings and laugh that anyone seriously eats up the shit she's shoveling.
Your extreme reaction to Michael Moore indicates that what he is saying might actually have some semblance of truth to them.
I've got 99 problems and I'm not dealing with any of them - Lay-Z