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Avestan · Post by **Avestan** » August 5, 2004, 2:13 pm

Curious/

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 5, 2004, 2:23 pm

Southern by the grace of God

well more because thats just where my parents lived, but that doesn't make a good bumper sticker.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » August 5, 2004, 2:31 pm

I formally request a TEXAS option!

Crav · Post by **Crav** » August 5, 2004, 2:35 pm

Seconded!

Avestan · Post by **Avestan** » August 5, 2004, 2:38 pm

hmmm. . .first time posting a poll. . .how does one add options?

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » August 5, 2004, 3:02 pm

Southern by birth , however living in hippy land now. which is fine its pretty here.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » August 5, 2004, 3:03 pm

whats with the south america and the latin america option? Being that excluding south america latin america is only mexico a few carribean islands and half of central america...only EQ person i have ever met from that region was Fauman or a similar name like that

Avestan · Post by **Avestan** » August 5, 2004, 3:05 pm

Latin America is actually about 15 countries. . .prolly 0 post here, but it did not take a lot of effort to add it.

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » August 5, 2004, 5:42 pm

Canada's kind of a big place...

But thanks for remembering us all the same!

Avestan · Post by **Avestan** » August 5, 2004, 5:58 pm

Canada has about 30 million people. Most of those US regions have at least that many people. I think it is a fair breakdown.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » August 5, 2004, 6:28 pm

Seriously, is Texas the south or the west or what? I live here and every other person will claim something different.

Personally, I like "southwest."

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » August 5, 2004, 6:29 pm

Lalanae wrote:Seriously, is Texas the south or the west or what? I live here and every other person will claim something different.

Personally, I like "southwest."

From looking at a map I'd say the south. But then some self-righteous Texans might yell at me so I'll say nothing!

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 5, 2004, 6:30 pm

Is South Florida "East Coast USA" or "Latin America"?

Kargyle · Post by **Kargyle** » August 5, 2004, 6:32 pm

I think we (Texas) are part of the South. We're are considered part of the south when people are talking politics, and Texas was a part of the Confederate States.

However, I also like the term Southwest better.

Crav · Post by **Crav** » August 5, 2004, 6:36 pm

I usually say Texas is in the southwest as well.

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » August 5, 2004, 6:43 pm

Texas IS NOT PART OF THE SOUTH
IT NEVER WAS NOR EVER WILL BE.
To suggest such an idiotic thing is punishable by death.
holy fuckballs
SOUTHERN states IN the CONFEDERACY from 1861-1865

Alabama, Mississippi, Lousiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia and Virginia.

NO WHERE IN THAT LIST IS FUCKING TEXAS

is this what they teach nowadays in schools?
I assume you think that California is part of Canada too don't you.

Hayley · Post by **Hayley** » August 5, 2004, 6:44 pm

Based on the choices, south more closely describes Texas imo. In all other cases, I say southwest.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » August 5, 2004, 6:44 pm

Sylvos wrote:Texas IS NOT PART OF THE SOUTH
IT NEVER WAS NOR EVER WILL BE.
To suggest such an idiotic thing is punishable by death.
holy fuckballs
SOUTHERN states IN the CONFEDERACY from 1861-1865

Alabama, Mississippi, Lousiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia and Virginia.

NO WHERE IN THAT LIST IS FUCKING TEXAS

is this what they teach nowadays in schools?
I assume you think that California is part of Canada too don't you.

Christ, I knew this was coming.

We've had this discussion before. I think people (Xouqoa?) pointed out how Texas was part of the confederacy for a short time. I'm sure if I cared enough I could find it in a search!

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » August 5, 2004, 6:45 pm

Texas is the Wild West, all or if you want call it fucking Texico but do not associate it with the South. Mexico shares the same Gulf of Mexico that some of the Southern States do, do you call that the South? No.
Hell label it the Midwest.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » August 5, 2004, 6:50 pm

Here's the real meat of the first argument, minus you yelling about Texas sucking and threatening to kill everyone

Texas was one of the original Confederate States and had more people enlisted in the Confederate Army than they had ever had vote in a general election in the state at that time. There weren't many battles there (if any, not sure) but they did contribute a significant number of soldiers to the army.

edit: http://americancivilwar.com/statepic/tx.html there's the battles in texas, not too many.

Few battles fought there, but it was a contributing state.

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » August 5, 2004, 6:51 pm

Incorrect Dregor, 2 counties during 1865 tried to succed from the Union to join the conferarcy, those counties however ended up as part of Arkansas in 1874. So, no Xouqua was incorrect on his statement.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » August 5, 2004, 6:58 pm

Its ideology far more conservative than revolutionary, the nation of seceded Southern states faced a paradox in maintaining a centralized government comprised of entities whose very motivation for departing the Union was their objection to federal authority. On February 4, 1861, representatives from the seven states Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Texas-that had already seceded from the United States met in Montgomery, Alabama, to form a new republic. On February 8, the convention announced the establishment of the Confederate States of America and declared itself the provisional Congress.
The following day, Jefferson Davis and Alexander Stephens were unanimously chosen provisional president and vice president, two men moderate enough, it was hoped, to convince the eight other reluctant slave states to join the Confederacy. A committee spent the next five weeks composing a national constitution, which was approved on March I 1. The document closely followed the U.S. Constitution-including its Bill of Rights-with a few notable differences. Language promoting "the general welfare" was omitted, while the right to own slaves was explicitly guaranteed although foreign slave trade was forbidden).
The president, serving a single six-year term, was given line-item veto power over the budget, and his cabinet awarded nonvoting seats in Congress. To guarantee Southerners their much-desired states' rights, the federal government had no authority to levy protective tariffs, make internal improvements, or overrule state court decisions, while states had the right to sustain their own armies and enter into separate agreements with one another, and were given greater power in amending the constitution. Although there was a provision for a federal Supreme Court, Southern legislators could never agree on its configuration or even the wisdom of its establishment, and so the Confederacy lacked a high court throughout its existence. The provisional Congress sent three envoys to Washington to try to negotiate a final, peaceful split from the United States, although at the same time preparing for combat by establishing an army.
Hopes for a nonviolent settlement died after the April 12 attack on Fort Sumter, and four more Southern states-Virginia, North Carolina, Arkansas, and Tennessee-joined the Confederacy once the war started. Secessionist governments were established in Missouri and Kentucky, two border states that officially remained in the Union, while the western counties of Virginia rejoined the North. The Confederacy's capital was moved from Montgomery to Richmond, Virginia, in May 1861, and regular presidential and congressional elections were held in November.
Running unopposed, Davis and Stephens were formally reinaugurated, quite pointedly, on George Washington's birthday, February 22, 1862. Although there were no established parties, Confederate politics soon divided along pro- and anti-administration lines, and the lack of designated factions only caused confusion and disorganization. Among the opposition, some merely objected to Davis' policies-or his personality-while supporting the war effort; others urged negotiations for peace with the North. Still others, the most ardent states' rights proponents, claimed that the president sought dictatorial powers and denied Davis had anything but the most cursory executive authority.
Some even advocated that their states secede from the Confederacy and form separate countries. After the next congressional elections, held over a nearly six-month period in 1863 due to the logistical problems of the Union military presence across the South, nearly two-fifths of the Confederate House and one half of the Senate were openly anti-administration. Besides the actual waging of the war and futile attempts to win formal recognition from European nations, the Confederate government's main concern was raising money for the costly military effort.
Hampered by constitutional limitations, its attempts included issuing paper currency, which brought rampant inflation, seeking loans and selling government bonds, which did not produce sufficient revenue, and passing tax and tax-in-kind legislation, which was hugely unpopular. As the South suffered continued military setbacks, the government's daily operations were sorely impeded, with congressional members from Union-occupied territories unable to serve in the capital and much of the country essentially out of the Confederacy's jurisdiction.
When Richmond fell to Union forces on April 2, 1865, the Confederate government effectively collapsed. Davis and most of his cabinet, taking the remnants of the country's treasury, fled south by train. Against the advice of most, the president intended to reestablish a seat of government west of the Mississippi River and continue the struggle. But Davis' capture outside Irwinville, Georgia, on May 10 ended the pretense, and there was no longer any question that the Confederate nation-established little more than four years earlier ceased to exist.

There really is a lot of literature out there saying Texas was part of the confederacy. I did a search for states of the confederacy and after looking at a dozen or so I've yet to find one that didn't include Texas.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » August 5, 2004, 7:01 pm

Wikipedia has a pretty good page on the States of the Confederacy as well.

The Confederate States of America (CSA, also known as the Confederacy) was the federation formed by the southern states that seceded from the United States during the period of the American Civil War. The 11 states of the Confederacy were Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Virginia. (Note that the states of Missouri and Kentucky each had two separate governments, one Union, one Confederate. As such, they were claimed by both sides as members.)

The Confederacy was formed on February 4, 1861 and Jefferson Davis was selected as its first president the next day.

For most of its duration, the Confederacy was engaged in the American Civil War against the remainder of the Union.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » August 5, 2004, 7:02 pm

Texas
AN ORDINANCE to dissolve the Union between the State of Texas and the other States united under the Compact styled "the Constitution of the United States of America."

WHEREAS, The Federal Government has failed to accomplish the purposes of the compact of union between these States, in giving protection either to the persons of our people upon an exposed frontier, or to the property of our citizens, and

WHEREAS, the action of the Northern States of the Union is violative of the compact between the States and the guarantees of the Constitution; and,

WHEREAS, The recent developments in Federal affairs make it evident that the power of the Federal Government is sought to be made a weapon with which to strike down the interests and property of the people of Texas, and her sister slave-holding States, instead of permitting it to be, as was intended, our shield against outrage and aggression; THEREFORE,

SECTION 1. We, the people of the State of Texas, by delegates in convention assembled, do declare and ordain that the ordinance adopted by our convention of delegates on the 4th day of July, A.D. 1845, and afterwards ratified by us, under which the Republic of Texas was admitted into the Union with other States, and became a party to the compact styled "The Constitution of the United States of America," be, and is hereby, repealed and annulled; that all the powers which, by the said compact, were delegated by Texas to the Federal Government are revoked and resumed; that Texas is of right absolved from all restraints and obligations incurred by said compact, and is a separate sovereign State, and that her citizens and people are absolved from all allegiance to the United States or the government thereof.

SEC. 2. This ordinance shall be submitted to the people of Texas for their ratification or rejection, by the qualified voters, on the 23rd day of February, 1861, and unless rejected by a majority of the votes cast, shall take effect and be in force on and after the 2d day of March, A.D. 1861.

PROVIDED, that in the Representative District of El Paso said election may be held on the 18th day of February, 1861.

Done by the people of the State of Texas, in convention assembled, at Austin, this 1st day of February, A.D. 1861.

[ratified 23 Feb 1861 by a vote of 46,153 for and 14,747 against]

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » August 5, 2004, 7:04 pm

And to end with, here's the Constitution of the Confederate States of America. I'm sure they got the constitution wrong tho

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » August 5, 2004, 7:10 pm

Actually,

Texas is a large state. I've lived on the west, central and eastern sides of it.

If you go west of Dallas, I'd classify that dryer land as Southwestern.

If you go East of Dallas, it gets green and forested, and the people start acting differently. I'd classify that part of Texas as being "Southern"

West Texans and East Texans have different cultures.

Hell, you can split it up more than that as you go south but no one wants to here cares to hear about it.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » August 5, 2004, 7:17 pm

masteen wrote:Is South Florida "East Coast USA" or "Latin America"?

Only Miami/Dade and south

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » August 5, 2004, 7:21 pm

I think we should have a "Wild West" category like Sylvos suggested. I could live with that.

Given the limitations of the choices (wtf 4 options for western regions?), I'll pick south.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 5, 2004, 7:32 pm

Please add all 50 states separately. I'll prethank all texans for choosing south over west (not coastal). I really don't want to be lumped in with Utah either!

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » August 5, 2004, 8:11 pm

In response to what Dregor managed to find on the internet and cut and paste for us. Google makes anyone a historian nowadays..

Texas also suceeded from the Conferderacy not 1 year after the initial assualt of the Union armies, by that time Texas as well as Maryland, Missouri and Kentucky also succeeded once again to rejoin the Union and or the Independant status in which they had held dear the years following.

Now the initial ratification in 1861 which took place between 6 states that were succeeding from the Union (Texas had already began is own succession before the civil war after its initial annex and so succession from the Union was not a hardpressed choice but thats not important at this point in time). Texas also had blocked off all trade with the Confederacy as of 1863 and had opened several trade channels with the Union soldiers to help augment their floundering economy due to the Blockade that the Union had put in place to prevent any trade with Europe. Several states began to question the decision of their succession after the summer of 1862 in which the number of Confederate states became 10. This number did not change for the following 3 years that the nation battled within its own borders. Technically the Confederacy boasted 16 states since Kentucky, Texas, Missouri, Maryland, West Virginia, and Ohio as well as the Southern halves of Indiana and Illinois also wanted to succeed and various counties lobbied to join the Confederacy but were shot down. After the secondary succession Texas lost two counties as well as Missouri gaining 1 from Arkansas because they did not wish to be involved in the Civil War or wanted to join in.

The tide turns as does alliegance.

Now with that said, after 1864 the Louisiana soldiers in desperate attempts to get supplies attacked Texas towns and trade routes in order to get provisions and other neccessary supplies to the fighting forces that were being ravaged by Sherman's March (also a tragic event in our nations history since that tell-tale march not only was the deathknell of the civil war but also destroyed priceless artificats and articles from that time peroid as well as many century old bulidings in the process). With the attack on Texan soil, the goverment of Texas (now independant) dispatched SEVEN battallions to aid the Union soldiers in both Sherman's March as well as the battle of petersburg, also known as The Seige and The Citadel. It was then Texas revoked their status again and joined the Union.

Being at work I do not normally have time to construct an answer since I normally have a 2 minute window to type out responses without sitting and remembering everything I learned in college and so forth, so I stand corrected on that Texas was never part of the Confederacy. Texas actually had THREE different allegiances during the 1861-1865 time peroid. Since it was for a 1.5 year peroid but never had any attacks on its soil with the exception of the army that it had helped create not 3 years previous.

Now... lumping Texas as part of the South only undermines its own personal state history. Since its involvement in the Civil war was very small. The Spanish-American war, the battle of the Alamo, the creation of the Wild West as well as the staging point of the Manifest Destiny all serve as the main history and descriptive element when it comes to Texas. It is the West, the land of cowboys and chilli. When I think of Texas aside from the quote from full metal jacket....I think The West. Why? Because the brunt of its history and culture defines what the West was and is today.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » August 5, 2004, 8:15 pm

I'll take that as a win!

I never claimed to be a historian, was mostly just your irrational and silly denial of it that led me to take 10 minutes to look it up and read about it.

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » August 5, 2004, 8:20 pm

Knee-jerk reaction to Texas =)
yes its a win for you.
Since technically they were part of the founding of the confederacy and were in it for over a year.
Score one for team Caribou.

Avestan · Post by **Avestan** » August 5, 2004, 9:26 pm

Being from Texas, I would love to make this edit. . .but I cannot figure out how (if I can at all). Anyone want to share?

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 5, 2004, 9:53 pm

Scandanavia (Yes you are all the same to me)

BITCH!

Siji · Post by **Siji** » August 5, 2004, 9:59 pm

How about we just give Texas to Mexico and call it a day.

Fuck Texas. Right up the ass.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 5, 2004, 10:34 pm

The South ends at Lousiana.

Texans ain't our cultural kinfolks!

Truant · Post by **Truant** » August 5, 2004, 10:42 pm

Siji wrote:How about we just give Texas to Mexico and call it a day.

Fuck Texas. Right up the ass.

And how about we just give Florida back to Cuba and call it a day.
Fuck Florida. Right up the ass.

P.S. What a stupid statement for you to make. Just because you got pulled over driving through Texas at some point in your life I'm sure.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 5, 2004, 11:04 pm

Truant wrote: Just because you got pulled over driving through Texas at some point in your life I'm sure.

Along those lines, fuck Oklahoma! Right up the ass!

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 6, 2004, 10:52 am

Nah Florida has some nice beaches. In spite of all the toothless inbred subhumans in northern Florida (aka FSU fans), the Stone Crab is too good, the Key Lime pie is too good, and god damn the topless thong clad brasilianas are way too good.

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » August 6, 2004, 12:44 pm

/roar, i demand that Denmark is split out from Scandinavia in this poll, i dont want to be mistaken for a swede

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » August 6, 2004, 12:50 pm

Who cares, Texas sucks. We should nuke it and just turn it into a giant glass factory anyway. Corner the glass market! Then Texas can say they contribute something to society besides cowboy boots and insanely stupid egos.

edit- oh yea, I'm in the dirdy dirdy.

Crav · Post by **Crav** » August 6, 2004, 1:28 pm

After reading Krim's other post, I'd like to reiterate, Texas is not part of the South.

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » August 6, 2004, 1:39 pm

I'd like to assert that Texas is a sissy state, on the grounds that hilarity ensues whenever someone says that.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 6, 2004, 1:45 pm

Truant wrote:And how about we just give Florida back to Cuba and call it a day.
Fuck Florida. Right up the ass.

Paging Mr. Bitter... Mr. I. M. Bitter

I wish we would liberate Cuba next. We could take over the country with just the reservists and Coasties stationed here. I WANT CHEAP CUBAN CIGARS!!!!11!!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 6, 2004, 1:59 pm

masteen wrote:
Truant wrote:
Siji wrote:And how about we just give Florida back to Cuba and call it a day.
Fuck Florida. Right up the ass.
Paging Mr. Bitter... Mr. I. M. Bitter

I wish we would liberate Cuba next. We could take over the country with just the reservists and Coasties stationed here. I WANT CHEAP CUBAN CIGARS!!!!11!!

Manifest destiny!

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 6, 2004, 2:07 pm

It is my manifest destiny to have a harem of big-butted Cubanichies!

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 6, 2004, 3:13 pm

Hesten wrote:/roar, i demand that Denmark is split out from Scandinavia in this poll, i dont want to be mistaken for a swede

Although being mistaken for a Swede would be a huge insult, you could also be mistaken for a Norwegian which would be a huge compliment. Now for Norwegians on the other hand, it is worse for us!

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 6, 2004, 3:24 pm

don't derail our conversation about Latin ass with your nonsensical Swede talk!

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 6, 2004, 3:34 pm

hah the one thing I miss from living in Texas (next to BBQ and mexican food)! Hispanic ladies!

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