Who is Barak Obama?

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 28, 2004, 12:15 pm

What did you guys think of this guy's speech?

I liked it, and i agree with most of the commentators that he lived up to the hype. He is the guy who is currently running unopposed in the Senate race in Illinois. Jack Ryan (the guy married to the star trek borg chick...well formerly married to her) was his opponent until he dropped out for asking his wife to screw him in swinger's clubs

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Anyway, i thought he had a great message and is certainly somebody I hope continues to succeed in the Democratic Party on a national scale.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » July 28, 2004, 12:52 pm

Voronwë wrote:What did you guys think of this guy's speech?

I liked it, and i agree with most of the commentators that he lived up to the hype. He is the guy who is currently running unopposed in the Senate race in Illinois. Jack Ryan (the guy married to the star trek borg chick...well formerly married to her) was his opponent until he dropped out for asking his wife to screw him in swinger's clubs .

Anyway, i thought he had a great message and is certainly somebody I hope continues to succeed in the Democratic Party on a national scale.

Cabinet post if Kerry wins for sure

Neost · Post by **Neost** » July 28, 2004, 12:57 pm

I'm not sure he would take a cabinet position. He's apparently pretty zeroed in on the senate race in Illinois. It would have to be a relatively important position to take his focus away from that.

I was impressed by him in spite of the "pre-convention" hype.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 28, 2004, 1:10 pm

the senate is a better spot for him. he would potentially be up for a judiciary committee seat, and if Kerry wins there could be a Supreme Court seat or two up for appointment, so a very powerful voice there.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » July 28, 2004, 1:13 pm

I'd vote for someone named Barak.

XunilTlatoani · Post by **XunilTlatoani** » July 28, 2004, 1:24 pm

Too bad he won't be running against Ditka

masteen · Post by **masteen** » July 28, 2004, 1:27 pm

Barak/Ditka is a power ticket if ever I saw one.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » July 28, 2004, 2:50 pm

I can't wait to see him in the Senate, I definately feel a star has been born.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 28, 2004, 2:50 pm

man Jack Ryan is a real scumbag. typical two-faced republican. he is the guy that hired some lackey to follow the current democratic senator around with a camera every time he went out into public, waiting for him to say something or slip up somehow. he even followed him into bathrooms. turns out of course that mr. morality is a sexually deviant pervert who likes to force his wife into having public sex.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » July 28, 2004, 3:10 pm

kyoukan wrote: turns out of course that mr. morality is a sexually deviant pervert who likes to force his wife into having public sex.

These are our family-values people!

Deward · Post by **Deward** » July 28, 2004, 3:15 pm

The only reason Jack Ryan one the election previously was because the governor's name was Ryan at the time and the other guys name had like 6 syllables. Most everyone (politician-wise) that comes out of Illinois is a scumbag though. Last decent person I can think of was Abraham Lincoln. Once the Daleys got into power the state just kept electing shitstains with dead voters.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » July 28, 2004, 3:16 pm

Being a citizen of Illinois and a registered voter, I am very happy with O'Bama. I don't know, maybe I'm being optimistic, but I saw in him last night someone who could be one of the leading national Democrats in 10 years. He has had an excellent record in Illinois, and I'm proud to say that I will be voting for him in November against whichever new Ryan the Republicans in Illinois find to run.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 28, 2004, 3:16 pm

Barak seems pretty clean. I couldn't find any dirt on him. He's pretty religious but seems to fully understand and support separation of church and state.

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » July 28, 2004, 3:19 pm

Deward, no offense, but you don't know what you're talking about.

The previous governor of Illinois was named George Ryan. He didn't run for re-election amid the "License for Bribes" scandal from when he was Sec of State. The two people than ran was a guy named Jim Ryan and Rod Blagojevich. Blagojevich won the governor's seat because most people thought the two Ryans were the same person. Jack Ryan, the guy that was running for Senate, is yet another different Ryan. None of them are related.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 28, 2004, 3:34 pm

Deward wrote:The only reason Jack Ryan one the election previously was because the governor's name was Ryan at the time and the other guys name had like 6 syllables. Most everyone (politician-wise) that comes out of Illinois is a scumbag though. Last decent person I can think of was Abraham Lincoln. Once the Daleys got into power the state just kept electing shitstains with dead voters.

This year Obama is going to two the election!

Thess · Post by **Thess** » July 28, 2004, 4:57 pm

Janice Schakowsky met with George Bush a few weeks ago, when she walked into his office (wearing an Obama pin), George Bush appeared shocked.

She picked up on how he could possibly think it was Osama - so she explained that Obama was running for Senate in Illinois - George Bush said, "Oh I've never heard of him"

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 28, 2004, 5:04 pm

Thess wrote:Janice Schakowsky met with George Bush a few weeks ago, when she walked into his office (wearing an Obama pin), George Bush appeared shocked.

She picked up on how he could possibly think it was Osama - so she explained that Obama was running for Senate in Illinois - George Bush said, "Oh I've never heard of him"

The president is supposed to know every person on both sides who are running for office? It's hard enough to keep track of the combined hundreds of congressmen and senators that are currently in office.

If Obama is the real deal, he'll be a household name soon enough.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » July 28, 2004, 5:11 pm

Actually yes, the president is supposed to know every open seat in congress, so he can support the republican nominee.

And I believe you mean house of representatives and senate - congress is both of them combined.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 28, 2004, 5:14 pm

Thess wrote:
And I believe you mean house of representatives and senate - congress is both of them combined.

What the fuck are you talking about? : )

Congressman: A member of the United States House of Representatives

masteen · Post by **masteen** » July 28, 2004, 5:30 pm

You are both technically right, but in the past couple decades, Congress has been used more to refer to the House than the combined House and Senate.

XunilTlatoani · Post by **XunilTlatoani** » July 28, 2004, 5:41 pm

Deward wrote:The only reason Jack Ryan one the election previously was because the governor's name was Ryan at the time and the other guys name had like 6 syllables. Most everyone (politician-wise) that comes out of Illinois is a scumbag though. Last decent person I can think of was Abraham Lincoln. Once the Daleys got into power the state just kept electing shitstains with dead voters.

Much hate from the cheeseheads! Btw, thanks for Culver's...we're enjoying their southward expansion immensely...mmmm Butter Burgers. Oh, and I disagree with your point. Yes, Illinois has had its fair share of scandals but we also produce many good politicians (Dennis Hastert, Henry Hyde, and the late Paul Simon to name a few). I would hardly say that "most" of our politicians are shitstains though.

Karae · Post by **Karae** » July 28, 2004, 5:42 pm

Winnow wrote:The president is supposed to know every person on both sides who are running for office? It's hard enough to keep track of the combined hundreds of congressmen and senators that are currently in office.

If Obama is the real deal, he'll be a household name soon enough.

Given the press the Jack Ryan sex scandal has been getting it's safe to say that if he doesn't know who Barak Obama is he has his head wedged up his ass to the shoulders.

Oh yeah, in case you forgot George W. Bush is the leader of the Republican Party. He should know who in his party is running and who they are running against.

It's just more evidence if his incompetence and ignorance and another reason he is unqualified to be President.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 28, 2004, 5:44 pm

I'd rather have him more concerned with Osama than Obama.

It's easy for you to say he should be aware of everyone under the moon...quite different to be able to know thousands of people on top of day to day duties of a president.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » July 28, 2004, 6:00 pm

Thess wrote:Janice Schakowsky met with George Bush a few weeks ago, when she walked into his office (wearing an Obama pin), George Bush appeared shocked.

She picked up on how he could possibly think it was Osama - so she explained that Obama was running for Senate in Illinois - George Bush said, "Oh I've never heard of him"

How about a link to where this was reported? I searched Ms. Schakowsky's web site and find no mention of this. I did a brief search but if it happened "a few weeks ago" you would think this exchange would be easy to find.

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kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 28, 2004, 6:07 pm

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=U ... wsky+obama

took me 5 seconds. are you a retard?

Karae · Post by **Karae** » July 28, 2004, 6:16 pm

Metanis wrote:
Thess wrote:Janice Schakowsky met with George Bush a few weeks ago, when she walked into his office (wearing an Obama pin), George Bush appeared shocked.

She picked up on how he could possibly think it was Osama - so she explained that Obama was running for Senate in Illinois - George Bush said, "Oh I've never heard of him"
How about a link to where this was reported? I searched Ms. Schakowsky's web site and find no mention of this. It was a brief search but if it happended "a few weeks ago" you would think this exchange would be easy to find.

She was interviewed on the Randi Rhode's Show today and talked about it happening.

It was also written about in this New Yorker article.

The New Yorker wrote:Jan Schakowsky told me about a recent visit she had made to the White House with a congressional delegation. On her way out, she said, President Bush noticed her “obama” button. “He jumped back, almost literally,” she said. “And I knew what he was thinking. So I reassured him it was Obama, with a ‘b.’ And I explained who he was. The President said, ‘Well, I don’t know him.’ So I just said, ‘You will.’”

P.S. Take a class on search engine use.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 28, 2004, 6:30 pm

I think it's a good day when Bush is aware what day it is. Cut him some slack guys, jeez!

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » July 28, 2004, 6:33 pm

Winnow wrote:I'd rather have him more concerned with Osama than Obama.

So would I, but he doesn't seem too concerned with either one at this point.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » July 28, 2004, 6:48 pm

kyoukan wrote:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=U ... wsky+obama

took me 5 seconds. are you a retard?

Call me what you will but it appears this attribution is missing a critical piece of information, when did it really occur?

Thess' post made it appear that Bush didn't know this guy just a few weeks ago. Search those wonderful Google hits and try to nail down the date of the actual event.

There would have been a time when it was perfectly reasonable for Bush NOT to know this man. This story is like an urban legend and the Democrats are surely happy to keep it stirring.

Karae · Post by **Karae** » July 28, 2004, 6:52 pm

Winnow wrote:I'd rather have him more concerned with Osama than Obama.

Yea like...maybe learn how to spell Osama so he doesn't confuse him with Obama?

Are you seriously suggesting he's spending a lot of thought on him and can't even recognize the proper spelling of his name?

Maybe you missed when he said, of Osama, "I don't know where he is. Truthfully, I don't think about him that much anymore."

Keep ignoring reality.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 28, 2004, 6:54 pm

continues to amaze me how supporters of Bush continually lower the bar of expectations for the person who is the president of the United States.

anybody who knows even a moderate amount about politics knows the Senate may very well swing towards Democratic control this election cycle, and the Senate is a very important body. It stands to reason that the 5-10 seats that are most likely to change hands would be something a President would know. Especially considering how much time Bush spends campaigning.

Winnow your blind support of Bush is actually kind of puzzling to me. I understand why Adex has unflinching support of him, it is because of the values issues which Adex is going to vote on. I guess i don't see where your issues are in lockstep with Bush's. I mean i know you support everything he does more or less without question, i just don't know why.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » July 28, 2004, 6:59 pm

Deward actually has family in Rockford and is there often enough to almost be called a FIB.

O'bama? Is that Irish?

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 28, 2004, 7:02 pm

Guys, guys, please. He's busy planning the next strategic moves over a Risk board. He doesn't have time to worry about things like his parties influence in in congress. Brazil is poised to take West Africa!!1!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 28, 2004, 8:19 pm

Voronwë wrote:
Winnow your blind support of Bush is actually kind of puzzling to me. I understand why Adex has unflinching support of him, it is because of the values issues which Adex is going to vote on. I guess i don't see where your issues are in lockstep with Bush's. I mean i know you support everything he does more or less without question, i just don't know why.

I approach these debates from a campaign point of view. This board is unbalanced toward the leftie liberal viewpoint and some of the jibberish spouted about Bush is excessive and downright stupid at times.

It's far from a lock that I'll be voting for Bush. If I said I was going to vote for Kerry, what fun would that be? Kerry has to impress me more than Bush disgruntles me. I don't follow those that choose "Bush sucks so I'm voting for anyone else that pops up on the ballot"

I'm not impressed with Kerry so far. I'm not convinced he's the lessor of two evils.

That said:

-The stem cell research ban is ridiculous
-I'm an atheist which places me at opposite ends with conservative thinking on many issues.
-I'm pro choice

I must weigh these issues with other issues and make a decision by November. Until then, a lot of the arguments I'm seeing for Kerry are weak or flawed and it's not in me to let the extreme liberals go nuts on this board bashing away without some counterpoints.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 28, 2004, 9:47 pm

Such a philanthropist. Hey hey, don't threaten to kill me! I said philanthropist!

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » July 29, 2004, 4:21 am

My prediction of this election mark it to see Im right or close:

Republicans will have opportunities to gain seats in North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida and Louisiana.

N.C., S.C., Georgia and Louisiana are 4 very possible pickups from Republicans Florida should be close too.

Colorado, Oklahoma, Illinois.....Are open Republican Senate Seats Democrats will have chance to gain a pickup in.
Theyll likely pickup one seat in Illinois..close call in Colorado.

Theyll likely even out in the incumbent seats.......So I think the Republicans will pickup 2-3 seats in the Senate just from the odds and be 53-54 to 46-45 with that vermont guy 1 independant.

In the House with the Texas redistricting adding some to the Republicans It will probally barely change in number. 228-206-1.

The President is up for grabs atm..

but with the small audience sofar watching the democrat convention then republican convention line up and Sept 11th aniversary closer to the actual election....

Then Kerry being beatin down in comercials all the month of August without really being able to counter unless he wants much less money to campaign with then Bush during the main part of the election...since the Republican convention is a month later and the 75mil federal money comes to you after the convention..and the other money is off you get what Im saying. Its a Bush advantage.

Also Kerry has not made any major gains in polls actually Bush has made some gains in some polls...sofar after selecting VP and sofar during the DNC convention....

Ohh and not to mention the Chamber of Commerce and the AMA HATE Edwards since hes a DR suing trial lawyer and ya can look up how he got his money and power....After reading Edwards record on using trash science to sue Doctors for millions and running out all the OBGYN DRs. from Carolina, where Women actually had hard time finding Drs. to deliver there Baby's because of Edward's...Hell prob. wind up being a burden on the ticket....at first I thought he would be great for Kerry, but not after digging into his record from AMA and other sources. Drs have patients ears and I know for a fact theres a swell in the AMA going against Edwards at this very moment aswell as some in the chamber of commerce.

When it comes down to it Bush will more than likely win maybe as much as 5% points and around 290 electorial votes. Everyone already knows what they like and dont like about Bush he has really no more on numbers to drop hes at his low end..on Kerry I see people finding more and more they dont like about his ticket..I just dont see were he can gain much more from and with past polls see he has more dropping room than Bush. The votes for Kerry will almost all be anti-Bush votes which aint gonna cut it.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 29, 2004, 8:50 am

Sirton wrote:My prediction of this election mark it to see Im right or close:

When it comes down to it Bush will more than likely win maybe as much as 5% points and around 290 electorial votes. Everyone already knows what they like and dont like about Bush he has really no more on numbers to drop hes at his low end..on Kerry I see people finding more and more they dont like about his ticket..I just dont see were he can gain much more from and with past polls see he has more dropping room than Bush. The votes for Kerry will almost all be anti-Bush votes which aint gonna cut it.

You seem to miss an important fact. Bush is a very unpopular president and people are looking to replace him, they just dont know if John Kerry is the man for the job. So far the convention is kicking ass in his name, if he comes out of it defined, then i think Bush stands little chance of winning, although he will always have a chance.
This is the way i think about it...almost everyone that voted fore Gore last time wants Kerry, and several people that voted for Bush, are changing there mind and want them out....well at least the people i talk too.

hell, for an example:I come from a fairly strong "liberal republican" backround. Hell, one of my dads friends (mel martinez) is trying to run for a republican seat in the senate. Despite all this most of us are voting for Kerry, or not voting at all in the face of "two very shitty canidates"
I know of many other republicans who are voting democratic this year...and i live in florida

Drolgin Steingrinder · Post by **Drolgin Steingrinder** » July 29, 2004, 9:05 am

I think the US should be deeply saddened that Jack Ryan withdrew. If you read all of Tom Clancy's books you'd know how good a job he'd do. Plus, his wife is a doctor!

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 29, 2004, 9:16 am

Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:I think the US should be deeply saddened that Jack Ryan withdrew. If you read all of Tom Clancy's books you'd know how good a job he'd do. Plus, his wife is a doctor!

A cyborg AND a doctor? TEH PERFECT WOMENZ!

archeiron · Post by **archeiron** » July 29, 2004, 9:42 am

Dregor Thule wrote:
Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:I think the US should be deeply saddened that Jack Ryan withdrew. If you read all of Tom Clancy's books you'd know how good a job he'd do. Plus, his wife is a doctor!
A cyborg AND a doctor? TEH PERFECT WOMENZ!

Negative.

She wouldn't have sex in public; there is obviously something wrong with her.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 29, 2004, 11:02 am

just flash her BIOS and you can fix that Arch.

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » July 29, 2004, 8:34 pm

Understand your point Xzion thats why this election is close atm, but while democrats were spending money on 10 primary canidates the republicans spent money in the grass roots organization in registering...which with only 50% of the population voting its a smart thing to work at...Usually the democrats do better in this department, but not this time...all Im mainly saying is I think Edwards will wind up being a burden to there ticket and in numbers as far whos up for election and the way things are scheduled the republicans have a upper hand...also cant win on anti bush vote alone.

murr · Post by **murr** » July 30, 2004, 12:45 am

Winnow you also have to consider who else you're keeping if you re-elect Bush: Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, Cheney...not to mention 2 supreme court justice positions opening up within the next term.

Kerry may not be quite convincing enough to beat out Bush for you, but weigh in the evil fucks that are part of the Bush package.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » July 30, 2004, 1:57 am

murr wrote:Winnow you also have to consider who else you're keeping if you re-elect Bush: Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, Cheney...not to mention 2 supreme court justice positions opening up within the next term.

Which considering Winnow has said he is pro-choice, that choice is in *GRAVE* danger if Bush is re-elected, considering the supreme court openings which will be happening very soon.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 30, 2004, 2:33 am

murr wrote:Winnow you also have to consider who else you're keeping if you re-elect Bush: Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, Cheney...not to mention 2 supreme court justice positions opening up within the next term.

Kerry may not be quite convincing enough to beat out Bush for you, but weigh in the evil fucks that are part of the Bush package.

I know. I'm totally undecided atm. The fucking stem cell issue is driving me nuts. I'll hold out until the end to see if Bush changes anything. His attitude toward gay civil unions gets under my skin as well.

The republican convention will be helpful in my decision.

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » July 30, 2004, 4:21 am

Metanis wrote:
kyoukan wrote:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=U ... wsky+obama

took me 5 seconds. are you a retard?
Call me what you will but it appears this attribution is missing a critical piece of information, when did it really occur?

Thess' post made it appear that Bush didn't know this guy just a few weeks ago. Search those wonderful Google hits and try to nail down the date of the actual event.

There would have been a time when it was perfectly reasonable for Bush NOT to know this man. This story is like an urban legend and the Democrats are surely happy to keep it stirring.

skimming, was that answered?

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » July 30, 2004, 10:40 am

N.C., S.C., Georgia and Louisiana are 4 very possible pickups from Republicans Florida should be close too.

Republicans have lost a lot of support with the latinos in florida with the recent and planned changes in immigration. Also in 2002, republicans looked extremely bad with the mayoral elections in miami. Polls would hardly even open, and many closed early. This is after Jeb Bush said he'de would fix the problems.
My prediction is that Florida is well under the Demo flag.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » August 3, 2004, 2:42 pm

I just got back from a Obama rally here in central Illinois. I was analyzing his speech throughout the whole rally, and I must say that I'm impressed. He connected very well with the whole audience, seemed completely at ease, and pointed out a few faces of importance to the Democratic party here in Coles County (a fact that will get him more votes than his platform). He has a quiet charm about him that made me feel like I could trust him. I am very impressed and am happy that he's going to be representing Illinois in the Senate.

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