Kerry's Band of Brothers

miir · Post by **miir** » July 29, 2004, 11:56 am

LOL, from the same 'article':

President Bush has led the way on improving veterans' benefits, supporting our troops and restoring honor and dignity to the White House

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » July 29, 2004, 12:20 pm

Xzion wrote:
Cartalas wrote:
masteen wrote:While I will not bash his service in Vietnam, it's not like he won the Medal of Honor or the Silver Star. You get a purple heart for getting shot. By those standards, we should elect 50 Cent: he been shot 8 times.

And one of those was questionable, The puke was trying to get out of Vietnam.
man, SHUT THE FUCK UP
It makes me sick that people question a mans status as a war hero in the face of blind partisanship. If George Bush did half as much to serve his country in the military then you assholes would be jumping all over his record.
John McCain is a war hero, i dont agree with many of his politics, but i would be disgusted with myself to downplay his service while sitting on my ass and posting on a mesage board

How many lives have you conservative assholes saved, while risking your own who post on this board?...how many times have you been shot in combat, asshole?
How many lives has Bush saved by risking his own? How many times has Bush been shot in combat?

I can honestly care less about John Kerrys vietnam record when i go to vote for him, or George Bush's for that manner, becouse there war records have little (not nothing) to do with how well they can lead this country on a domestic level

Until you can out do John Kerry, shut the fuck up

War Hero!! hahahahhahahhahahahaha STFU

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 29, 2004, 12:23 pm

now that it has been mentioned, i am going to write in the president for Independence Day....even though he is dead =(

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 29, 2004, 12:59 pm

Purple hearts are given out for geting a scrape on your pinkey finger. As an example, you could be the worst pilot, do all the wrong things and get shot down and you get a purple heart for ejecting out of your plane. No disrespect to anyone serving our country but some purple hearts have more significance than others.

Kerry received some other medals but the purple hearts aren't a big deal if they are being used to attest to bravery or anything like that.

Kerry gets points for going to Vietnam and having the smarts to use the war for his political gain afterwards.

noel · Post by **noel** » July 29, 2004, 1:06 pm

That said, the Silver and Bronze stars are not given out for bullshit reasons.

Someone with military service knowledge correct me, but I believe the Silver star is the third highest medal a soldier/marine/sailor can receive.

Also, if anyone is interested, here's the criteria for the purple heart:
http://www.americal.org/awards/ph.htm

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » July 29, 2004, 1:08 pm

Do not ever belittle the award of a Purple Heart. My father earned 4 of his in Vietnam as a Green Beret. Do not speak of things you know nothing about Winnow. Just being in the jungles at that time is horror enough for a man just out of high school. Earning a purple heart is an important award and it shows that you bled for your country. You might as well go slap the Vietnam Vet in a wheel chair who has no legs cause of a Vietcong landmine when he was 18 when you go disrespecting a medal of honor and valor such as that.

fine fine fine i edit out nasty comment
still pissy however

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 29, 2004, 1:15 pm

Sylvos wrote:Do not ever belittle the award of a Purple Heart. My father earned 4 of his in Vietnam as a Green Beret. Do not speak of things you know nothing about Winnow. Just being in the jungles at that time is horror enough for a man just out of high school. Earning a purple heart is an important award and it shows that you bled for your country. You might as well go slap the Vietnam Vet in a wheel chair who has no legs cause of a Vietcong landmine when he was 18 when you go disrespecting a medal of honor and valor such as that. You assholes make me fucking sick sometimes.

You were not listening to me. I don't belittle purple hearts. My dad got them as well along with a bunch of other medals in Vietnam. I respect the purple heart but not in the way it's used for Kerry. He "allegedly" threw them in a demonstration. You should be telling Kerry to fuck off for disrespecting them.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » July 29, 2004, 3:03 pm

Hello you can get a Silver Star from Ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... eName=WDVW

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » July 29, 2004, 3:32 pm

And that is relevant.. why?

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » July 29, 2004, 3:34 pm

Because maybe GW can get one now!

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » July 29, 2004, 3:47 pm

Jice Virago wrote:Because maybe GW can get one now!

yeah he can share Kerry's Ebay account

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 29, 2004, 4:06 pm

You too can get a purple heart on a routine training mission after firing your own weapon at the shore and a little piece of shrapnel scratching your hand....with no enemy fire reported and no medical treatment reported.

War hero! War hero!

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » July 29, 2004, 4:08 pm

Winnow wrote:You too can get a purple heart on a routine training mission after firing your own weapon at the shore and a little piece of shrapnel scratching your hand....with no enemy fire reported and no medical treatment reported.

War hero! War hero!

Silver star = war hero.

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » July 29, 2004, 4:17 pm

Winnow wrote:You too can get a purple heart on a routine training mission after firing your own weapon at the shore and a little piece of shrapnel scratching your hand....with no enemy fire reported and no medical treatment reported.

i really don't think that's true, winnow. check the links myself and noel posted, the award is only given for injuries and/or death during combat:

in any action against an enemy of the United States

and

the wound for which the award is made must have required treatment by a medical officer and records of medical treatment for wounds or injuries received in action must have been made a matter of official record

yeah, that's a broad description, so there are a lot of men who have one, but that doesn't make it any lesser of an award in my opinion. common, sure, but i think it's great that those men who were injured and/or killed in battle are recognized in some fashion.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 29, 2004, 4:19 pm

Forthe wrote:
Winnow wrote:You too can get a purple heart on a routine training mission after firing your own weapon at the shore and a little piece of shrapnel scratching your hand....with no enemy fire reported and no medical treatment reported.

War hero! War hero!
Silver star = war hero.

Evidence Suggests Kerry's Silver Star Was Not Earned

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1133600/posts

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 29, 2004, 4:20 pm

Sheryl wrote:
Winnow wrote:You too can get a purple heart on a routine training mission after firing your own weapon at the shore and a little piece of shrapnel scratching your hand....with no enemy fire reported and no medical treatment reported.
i really don't think that's true, winnow. check the links myself and noel posted, the award is only given for injuries and/or death during combat:
in any action against an enemy of the United States
and
the wound for which the award is made must have required treatment by a medical officer and records of medical treatment for wounds or injuries received in action must have been made a matter of official record
yeah, that's a broad description, so there are a lot of men who have one, but that doesn't make it any lesser of an award in my opinion. common, sure, but i think it's great that those men who were injured and/or killed in battle are recognized in some fashion.

I mentioned this on another thread but I'm not really concerned about the purple hearts. I understand they can be had for a variety of reasons. The Silver star is the important medal in question.

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » July 29, 2004, 4:34 pm

I do not understand why people choose to disrespect our Veterans who earned recognition in wars fought on foreign soil. You think he didn't earn his award? He went over there, he served his time. He was wounded in combat. He earned his recognition. Clinton was a draft dodger, yet you guys shruged that off to "oh well". I do not care for Kerry but I will not stomach people trashing a purple heart. How about witch hunting his political views instead since that affects any type of laws that will determine our livelyhood.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 29, 2004, 4:38 pm

Sylvos wrote:I do not understand why people choose to disrespect our Veterans who earned recognition in wars fought on foreign soil. You think he didn't earn his award? He went over there, he served his time. He was wounded in combat. He earned his recognition. Clinton was a draft dodger, yet you guys shruged that off to "oh well". I do not care for Kerry but I will not stomach people trashing a purple heart. How about witch hunting his political views instead since that affects any type of laws that will determine our livelyhood.

I don't take everything at face value Sylvos. When something as significant as a Silver Star plays into a political campaign, it bears checking into.

Just like with many things in life, politicians, the rich, etc get things handed to them easier sometimes. It's a disrespect to those that earned medals if he in fact did not.

Post by **Sylvus** » July 29, 2004, 5:05 pm

Winnow wrote:Evidence Suggests Kerry's Silver Star Was Not Earned

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1133600/posts

Yeah "the Bandit" sure sounds credible!

that web site wrote:FreeRepublic.com "A Conservative News Forum"

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 29, 2004, 5:15 pm

Sylvus wrote:
Winnow wrote:Evidence Suggests Kerry's Silver Star Was Not Earned

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1133600/posts
Yeah "the Bandit" sure sounds credible!

that web site wrote:FreeRepublic.com "A Conservative News Forum"

If it's snopes it's got to be true!

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 29, 2004, 5:16 pm

lol nice trolling.

"The Bandit"

nice!

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » July 29, 2004, 5:21 pm

There is a difference in making blanket statements which you have done several times and making a specific comment. The blanket statements are insulting. I care not about someone's political views, when you enlist you are now part of something that is greater than yourself. Political beliefs aside when you are a soldier you follow the chain of command. When the chain of command fucks up which it has done in the past, our soldiers are the one that have to deal with it, usually at the end of an enemy's gun. Now, with this said, blanket derisive statements about awards handed out to those who have recieved these medals are intolerable. If you want to bash Kerry go ahead but until the media comes right out and he says himself "I did not earn my Purple heart' bashing him for having one is at best assinine, disrespectful, and ignorant. I can't believe i'm defending a democrat but whatever. Attack the man's political views, not his medal.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » July 29, 2004, 5:33 pm

My grandpa served in WWII, and I got to meet most of his vet buddies at VFW BBQs and at the Eagles shooting pool. I got to meet A LOT of purple heart winners. More than a few had lost limbs from these injuries. These men always told me that they were not heroes, they were just lucky to still be alive. Humility seems to be a common virtue among them. I see none of that in John Kerry.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 29, 2004, 5:38 pm

Because Kerry received a very minor piece of shrapnel from a mortar round that was fired from his boat and had ricochet back and caught him in the arm - and for which Kerry later told Douglas Brinkley in his book "Tour of Duty" that the incident in question did not qualify as combat - Kerry's wound did not meet the minimal requirements for the authorizing of a Purple Heart.

Yet Lt.(jg) Kerry persisted knowing he was not wounded by enemy fire and some four months later, through persistence, finally received the medal. Kerry told USA Today that he recall's "someone raising a question" about the award. If he asked for the award, he says, it was because he didn't realize Purple Hearts were given automatically and not at the discretion of commanders. "They decided to award it," he says. "I'm not going to rehash a judgment made by the Navy 35 years ago."

Only problem with Kerry's above explanation is this: Once Hibbard had denied him his request for the Purple Heart, Lt.(jg) Kerry would had immediately been aware at that point that Purple Hearts were in fact not awarded at the discretion of commanders. Yet this did not stop Lt.(jg) Kerry from personally pursuing the awarding of the medal to himself in the issuing months that followed. It is also odd that since Lt.(jg) Kerry was an Naval Officer that he was not aware of how Purple Hearts were awarded (but knew 3 could get him home real quick like.)

Guess you can't blame a guy for wanting to get out of Vietnam.

My dad completed three tours of duty in Veitnam. 4 months? hehe. I don't recall him ever requesting medals.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » July 29, 2004, 6:40 pm

Winnow wrote:
[i][u][b][size=150]The Bandit[/size][/b][/u][/i] wrote:Because Kerry received a very minor piece of shrapnel from a mortar round that was fired from his boat and had ricochet back and caught him in the arm - and for which Kerry later told Douglas Brinkley in his book "Tour of Duty" that the incident in question did not qualify as combat - Kerry's wound did not meet the minimal requirements for the authorizing of a Purple Heart.

Yet Lt.(jg) Kerry persisted knowing he was not wounded by enemy fire and some four months later, through persistence, finally received the medal. Kerry told USA Today that he recall's "someone raising a question" about the award. If he asked for the award, he says, it was because he didn't realize Purple Hearts were given automatically and not at the discretion of commanders. "They decided to award it," he says. "I'm not going to rehash a judgment made by the Navy 35 years ago."

Only problem with Kerry's above explanation is this: Once Hibbard had denied him his request for the Purple Heart, Lt.(jg) Kerry would had immediately been aware at that point that Purple Hearts were in fact not awarded at the discretion of commanders. Yet this did not stop Lt.(jg) Kerry from personally pursuing the awarding of the medal to himself in the issuing months that followed. It is also odd that since Lt.(jg) Kerry was an Naval Officer that he was not aware of how Purple Hearts were awarded (but knew 3 could get him home real quick like.)
Guess you can't blame a guy for wanting to get out of Vietnam.

My dad completed three tours of duty in Veitnam. 4 months? hehe. I don't recall him ever requesting medals.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 29, 2004, 7:09 pm

After receiving a Purple Heart for the March 13 scratch and bruise, Kerry sought an early pass out of combat duty, invoking the informal Navy "instruction" known as 1300.39. According to the Boston Globe, 1300.39 meant an officer could request a reassignment from his superior officer after receiving three Purple Hearts. The instruction states that, rather than being automatic, the reassignment would "be determined after consideration of his physical classification for duty and on an individual basis." Of the 138 servicemen and officers in Kerry's unit who received Purple Hearts during the time he was there, records indicate only two received more than two. These were Lt.(jg) Jim Galvin and a boatswain's mate named Stevens. When Insight reached Galvin he said all three of his Purple Hearts were the result of shrapnel or glass shards. Such minor injuries were common on PCF boats with their glass windows and thin metal hulls, and, like Kerry's, Galvin's injuries were not serious enough to take him out of combat for more than a few days.

Unlike Kerry, Galvin elected to stay with his men. Indeed, though a professional Navy officer, he never had heard of instruction 1300.39. It was not until early April of 1969, when Galvin noticed that Kerry was preparing to leave the officers' barracks at An Thoi that he learned about "three Purple Hearts and you're out." According to Galvin, it was Kerry who told him, "There's a rule that gets you out of here and I'm getting out. You ought to do the same." Galvin remembers, "He seemed to take care of everything pretty quickly," because that was the last time Galvin saw Kerry in Vietnam.

http://www.insightmag.com/news/2004/04/ ... 6749.shtml

The sources are getting better!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 29, 2004, 7:19 pm

wow.. disrespecting war veterans because you don't prescribe to his political beliefs while at the same time propping up a rich-kid draft dodging brat because he's a redneck fucking scum bag like the rest of you. if it weren't for all the other terrible things I've heard about you, winnow, I'd say you've reached a new low.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 29, 2004, 7:28 pm

kyoukan wrote:wow.. disrespecting war veterans because you don't prescribe to his political beliefs while at the same time propping up a rich-kid draft dodging brat because he's a redneck fucking scum bag like the rest of you. if it weren't for all the other terrible things I've heard about you, winnow, I'd say you've reached a new low.

I've seen the term heroic thrown around regarding Kerry. He served in Vietnam for 4 months. That's great. If he wants to use that as part of his campaign, it's nice to know the circumstances.

I could care less what you think.

Avestan · Post by **Avestan** » July 29, 2004, 7:32 pm

Pud,

I don't perceive Winnow as bottom feeding because you do not see Bush toting around his Army buddies and claiming to be anything close to a War Hero. If you listened to Edwards' speach last night, it was very clear that he was casting Kerry in a War Hero light. The Kerry campaign also coined the phrase of his "Band of Brothers" supporting him. That is just plain inaccurate as about 90% of those he served with closely have come out against him as a person, leader, and soldier.

While Bush's war record ain't stellar, he does not claim otherwise. Kerry is desperate to avoid the stigma of being a wimp against war in a time when the number one attribute Americans are looking for in a President is toughness (not my words).

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 29, 2004, 7:42 pm

It appears to me that kerry is more trying to show that although he is a liberal that he is more than capable in military matters and that he understands what it takes to sacrifice yourself for your country. no one in the bush administration can make a similar claim because they are all draft dodging white kids with rich daddies.

if military experience wasn't such a big issue in the election then you righties wouldn't be doing everything in your power to discredit and even disrespect the enormous sacrifices he and other vietnam veterans made. nor would you try to cast a bunch of armchair general old money millionaires as some sort of experts on military matters. I know who I'd want to conduct a war, and it certainly wouldn't be a bunch of corrupt punks like rumsfeld and wolfowitz, and looking at the enormous errors in judgement they've made despite the protestations of military experts, it appears that reality is on my side on this one as well.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 29, 2004, 7:57 pm

kyoukan wrote:
if military experience wasn't such a big issue in the election then you righties wouldn't be doing everything in your power to discredit and even disrespect the enormous sacrifices he and other vietnam veterans made.

I'll take the advice of my father who served three tours there and didn't try to bolt off of three scratches over someone that spent 4 months there and is trying to build himself up as a hero.

You can spin this into disrespecting Vietnam vets but you're making an ass of yourself because that's not the case. I have great respect for what my father, kerry for 4 months, and others that served in Vietnam.

I understand Kerry trying to bolt as soon as he possibly could. I understand Bush not wanting to go to Vietnam. The war itself was a money making machine for Lyndon Johnson. I have a problem with Kerry trying to make himself out the hero when it appears he was just another soldier over there for 4 months and got out on a superficial wound triple purple heart clause when others stayed with the same circumstances.

My advice to Kerry is to shut the fuck up about his "heroics" in the war and just acknowledge that he served in Veitnam as there are plenty of others that would much better fit the term hero from that war.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » July 29, 2004, 8:02 pm

I don't perceive Winnow as bottom feeding because you do not see Bush toting around his Army buddies and claiming to be anything close to a War Hero.

Probably because nobody remembers seeing him.

Anyway, Winnow is about to reach the same level as Midnyte, Cartalas and Metanis. Grats, great acomplishment! I hope you're proud!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 29, 2004, 8:11 pm

Kelshara wrote:
I don't perceive Winnow as bottom feeding because you do not see Bush toting around his Army buddies and claiming to be anything close to a War Hero.
Probably because nobody remembers seeing him.

Anyway, Winnow is about to reach the same level as Midnyte, Cartalas and Metanis. Grats, great acomplishment! I hope you're proud!

Explain why instead of just saying it Kelshara and I'll respond.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » July 29, 2004, 8:19 pm

Winnow wrote:My advice to Kerry is to shut the fuck up about his "heroics" in the war and just acknowledge that he served in Veitnam as there are plenty of others that would much better fit the term hero from that war.

I'm not that impressed with the reasons he got the silver star. But I know shit all about running a boat during the vienam war. I'm very impressed with the reason he got his 3rd PH (and the bronze star ?). Going back into fire to retrieve a man overboard is very commendable.

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » July 29, 2004, 8:50 pm

When I was 15 years old I went up into my parents attic to look for something which at this point in time I can not remember what it was. I found an old millitary footlocker hidden in the corner of my parents attic. I broke the padlock on it because I could not find a key and found in there something I did not expect. I found my father's Vietnam possessions that he had during the war. I found his Green Beret Uniform as well as his medals, not displayed on a plaque on the wall but locked in a velvet lined box hidden from view. He has at numerous medals for bravery and valor and 4 purple hearts in that little box. At first I was surprised for my father had never mentioned that he had been in Vietnam, however whenever i had asked about it before he had changed the conversation or just gotten quiet. I then made my second mistake of that day, I found his journal he kept while in Vietnam. After reading various entries about the jungles, the killings, the special op missions he went on, losing buddies, the terrors of the night and things that made my blood crawl. I then found out why he had never mentioned it, these attrocities that we all read about in books and in novels and see on the news being mentioned as "acts of war" I realized were horribly downplayed. After spending a few hours up there reading and discovering what my father had gone through in his tour I then began to put the possessions back in the footlocker when my father came up and found me in the attic. The look of horror on his face told me that his had been a secret he had never ever wanted me to find out. He was terrified that I would percieve him as some sort of murderer or evil man for the things he had done in the defense of liberty and justice and the American way. I love my father very much and it pains me still to think of the things he had gone through when he was only a few years younger than I am now. I will never ever disrespect a war veteran after sitting down and speaking to my father about what he did in Vietnam, nor will I ever bring it up again to him. War changes a lot of people, and I can say without rancor or doubt that if you served in a war or a military conflict and saw actual combat you have every right to whatever medal is awarded to you. No matter how minor your contribution is. Because they went when others did not, they answered the call to "freedom" as they had coined it back in the 60's when many did not. To any veteran of any combat theatre I give my thanks. They are a better man than I am in that they went while I sat back and can only relive what they contributed too via TV, History books and sitting down with a man who I still love and call my father.

Disrespecting any veteran in that fashion to me makes you not only an ingrate but a sorry sad human being. You can object to a military engagement, a war, or even an occupation, but you do not ever disrespect the soliders who volunteer while you sit back and enjoy the freedom provided to you that they help defend with their lives.

K, i'm done.

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » July 29, 2004, 8:53 pm

Disrespecting any veteran in that fashion to me makes you not only an ingrate but a sorry sad human being. You can object to a military engagement, a war, or even an occupation, but you do not ever disrespect the soliders who volunteer while you sit back and enjoy the freedom provided to you that they help defend with their lives.

sylvos

Agree amen.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 29, 2004, 9:12 pm

Sylvos wrote:When I was 15 years old I went up into my parents attic to look for something which at this point in time I can not remember what it was. I found an old millitary footlocker hidden in the corner of my parents attic. I broke the padlock on it because I could not find a key and found in there something I did not expect. I found my father's Vietnam possessions that he had during the war. I found his Green Beret Uniform as well as his medals, not displayed on a plaque on the wall but locked in a velvet lined box hidden from view. He has at numerous medals for bravery and valor and 4 purple hearts in that little box. At first I was surprised for my father had never mentioned that he had been in Vietnam, however whenever i had asked about it before he had changed the conversation or just gotten quiet. I then made my second mistake of that day, I found his journal he kept while in Vietnam. After reading various entries about the jungles, the killings, the special op missions he went on, losing buddies, the terrors of the night and things that made my blood crawl. I then found out why he had never mentioned it, these attrocities that we all read about in books and in novels and see on the news being mentioned as "acts of war" I realized were horribly downplayed. After spending a few hours up there reading and discovering what my father had gone through in his tour I then began to put the possessions back in the footlocker when my father came up and found me in the attic. The look of horror on his face told me that his had been a secret he had never ever wanted me to find out. He was terrified that I would percieve him as some sort of murderer or evil man for the things he had done in the defense of liberty and justice and the American way. I love my father very much and it pains me still to think of the things he had gone through when he was only a few years younger than I am now. I will never ever disrespect a war veteran after sitting down and speaking to my father about what he did in Vietnam, nor will I ever bring it up again to him. War changes a lot of people, and I can say without rancor or doubt that if you served in a war or a military conflict and saw actual combat you have every right to whatever medal is awarded to you. No matter how minor your contribution is. Because they went when others did not, they answered the call to "freedom" as they had coined it back in the 60's when many did not. To any veteran of any combat theatre I give my thanks. They are a better man than I am in that they went while I sat back and can only relive what they contributed too via TV, History books and sitting down with a man who I still love and call my father.

Disrespecting any veteran in that fashion to me makes you not only an ingrate but a sorry sad human being. You can object to a military engagement, a war, or even an occupation, but you do not ever disrespect the soliders who volunteer while you sit back and enjoy the freedom provided to you that they help defend with their lives.

K, i'm done.

Do you not see the difference between your father and mine who don't mention their medals from the war and Kerry using them to gain votes in a political campaign?

I found myself myself fortunate on the rare occasion that I was able to get a story out of my dad or his friends about the war. The same goes for my grandfather and his time spent in WW2 who was also awarded the purple heart and other commendations. As masteen mentioned. I don't see any of the characteristics of these people in Kerry.

You can keep saying I'm disrespecting Vietnam vets but you're way off base. I don't appreciate anyone using medals for political gain.

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » July 29, 2004, 9:30 pm

Winnow wrote:Purple hearts are given out for geting a scrape on your pinkey finger. As an example, you could be the worst pilot, do all the wrong things and get shot down and you get a purple heart for ejecting out of your plane.

.

You too can get a purple heart on a routine training mission after firing your own weapon at the shore and a little piece of shrapnel scratching your hand....with no enemy fire reported and no medical treatment reported.

no, not disrespecting or belittling the Purple heart or any other medal awarded for military service at all.....

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 29, 2004, 10:14 pm

Sylvos wrote:
Winnow wrote:Purple hearts are given out for geting a scrape on your pinkey finger. As an example, you could be the worst pilot, do all the wrong things and get shot down and you get a purple heart for ejecting out of your plane.
.
You too can get a purple heart on a routine training mission after firing your own weapon at the shore and a little piece of shrapnel scratching your hand....with no enemy fire reported and no medical treatment reported.

no, not disrespecting or belittling the Purple heart or any other medal awarded for military service at all.....

Fine.

I suppose where we differ is I respect the service and time our servicemen have given to our country. I don't think about medals when determining the amount of respect I give someone that's been in combat or merely for joining our military. Along those lines, it particularly bothers me when someone uses medals as a political tool as Kerry has on both sides of the fence.

I respect anyone, including Kerry, for the time they gave to serve our country. I could care less who has what medals.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 29, 2004, 10:21 pm

nice backpedal, retard.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 29, 2004, 10:22 pm

kyoukan wrote:nice backpedal, retard.

Thanks fag

devereaux · Post by **devereaux** » July 29, 2004, 11:23 pm

Metanis wrote:http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking ... -7822r.htm

U.S. Medal of Honor winners slam Kerry

Washington, DC, Jul. 27 (UPI) -- A letter signed by 24 Congressional Medal of Honor winners criticizing U.S. Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., was released Tuesday.

And they have what ties to John Kerry exactly? That is just an article expressing their opinion about John Kerry's political views. 24 congressional medal of honor recipients just don't get together for a barbecue and decide to sign a letter complaining about a politician with whom they have no affiliation. Maybe ::feigns surprise:: the Bush campaign wrote that up and flew them all into the same place to sign it. That article specifies jack shit about the conditions under which it was signed. Get a clue.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » July 30, 2004, 1:19 am

What funny is that yes Kerry IS using the time he served in Vietnam and the fact that he was a soldier as part of his campaign. However he hasn't called himself a hero, he isn't "touting" it, other people are, they believe he is a hero and want to tell people about it, and that is their right.

If I had been over there I would tout that shit I went through as well because it's relevant but not matter what I wouldn't say I was a hero and I don't recall him personally doing it either.

Marb

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » July 30, 2004, 5:14 am

Who owns the Washington Times again????

Yah, credible to say the least

Thess · Post by **Thess** » July 30, 2004, 7:44 am

lol - the Messiah, Sun Myung Moon

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » July 30, 2004, 8:25 am

I'm surprised none of these guys are pissed that Kerry left vietnam early.

Edit: these guys = the guys that served on the boat with him.

Denadeb · Post by **Denadeb** » July 31, 2004, 3:08 am

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/military_records.html

There are some of the actual awards and right ups for his awards at that site.

Karae · Post by **Karae** » July 31, 2004, 7:47 am

Anyone else notice that only one person quoted on that website indicates that he actually served with Kerry?

You're telling me I'm supposed to be impressed because they can find 17 people who aren't even all veterans, only one of whom served with Kerry, and only one Admiral who are mad that Kerry came home and protested the war? Sorry, this isn't 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon. There are more veterans, with closer ties to Kerry, that support him.

In point of fact, there are at least the 10 3-4 Star Admirals and Generals present at the convention, the remainder of his crew, the 500 veteran delegates, and the 100 veterans coordinating the effort to organize *1 million* veterans in support of John Kerry. (note: they are not all Vietnam veterans)

Neat link though. Debunking it provided me at least 10 minutes of entertainment. Thanks.

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » August 5, 2004, 1:18 pm

New comercial from soldiers that served with him...

http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite. ... o_wmv.html

Markulas · Post by **Markulas** » August 5, 2004, 1:34 pm

now that's politics. I bet Bush knew what the war was like 1000 miles away.

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