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John Kerry's hair

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PLEASE CREDIT ANY QUOTES OR EXCERPTS FROM THIS NBC TELEVISION PROGRAM TO "NBC NEWS' MEET THE PRESS."

NBC News

MEET THE PRESS

Sunday, April 18, 2004


MR. RUSSERT: Before we take a break, I want to talk about Vietnam. You are a decorated war hero of Vietnam, prominently used in your advertising. You first appeared on MEET THE PRESS back in 1971, your first appearance. I want to roll what you told the country then and come back and talk about it:

(Videotape, MEET THE PRESS, April 18, 1971):

MR. KERRY (Vietnam Veterans Against the War): There are all kinds of atrocities and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free-fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50-caliber machine guns which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search-and-destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare. All of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free-fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.

(End videotape)

MR. RUSSERT: You committed atrocities.

SEN. KERRY: Where did all that dark hair go, Tim?
That's a big question for me. You know, I
thought a lot, for a long time, about that period of time, the things we said, and I think the word is a bad word. I think it's an inappropriate word. I mean, if you wanted to ask me have you ever made mistakes in your life, sure. I think some of the language that I used was a language that reflected an anger. It was honest, but it was in anger, it was a little bit excessive.

MR. RUSSERT: You used the word "war criminals."

SEN. KERRY: Well, let me just finish. Let me must finish. It was, I think, a reflection of the kind of times we found ourselves in and I don't like it when I hear it today. I don't like it, but I want you to notice that at the end, I wasn't talking about the soldiers and the soldiers' blame, and my great regret is, I hope no soldier--I mean, I think some soldiers were angry at me for that, and I understand that and I regret that, because I love them. But the words were honest but on the other hand, they were a little bit over the top. And I think that there were breaches of the Geneva Conventions. There were policies in place that were not acceptable according to the laws of warfare, and everybody knows that. I mean, books have chronicled that, so I'm not going to walk away from that. But I wish I had found a way to say it in a less abrasive way.

MR. RUSSERT: But, Senator, when you testified before the Senate, you talked about some of the hearings you had observed at the winter soldiers meeting and you said that people had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and on and on. A lot of those stories have been discredited, and in hindsight was your testimony...

SEN. KERRY: Actually, a lot of them have been documented.

MR. RUSSERT: So you stand by that?

SEN. KERRY: A lot of those stories have been documented. Have some been discredited? Sure, they have, Tim. The problem is that's not where the focus should have been. And, you know, when you're angry about something and you're young, you know, you're perfectly capable of not--I mean, if I had the kind of experience and time behind me that I have today, I'd have framed some of that differently. Needless to say, I'm proud that I stood up. I don't want anybody to think twice about it. I'm proud that I took the position that I took to oppose it. I think we saved lives, and I'm proud that I stood up at a time when it was important to stand up, but I'm not going to quibble, you know, 35 years later that I might not have phrased things more artfully at times.
Notice his first response to such a power question, is about his fucking hair. Then he never answers the question.

I feel it is important to show some this mans true actions as opposed to just the past he will try to paint tonight.
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wow you're right on top of the news. that was only, like, april.
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kyoukan wrote:wow you're right on top of the news. that was only, like, april.
When was Abu Graib? That doesn't stop you.

When was the 2000 election? That doesn't stop you.

Eat a dick, Kyocunt.
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kyou will comment about past stuff on threads - but she doesn't make her own after the fact pointing it out.
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so what's your point? That he made an amusing comment after seeing old footage before he addressed the question? What politician occasionally doesn't display a sense of humor when being interviewed.

You don't think he answered the question?
I think the word is a bad word. I think it's an inappropriate word. I mean, if you wanted to ask me have you ever made mistakes in your life, sure. I think some of the language that I used was a language that reflected an anger. It was honest, but it was in anger, it was a little bit excessive.
He is interrupted with the interviewers shift from the question of what Kerry did to semantics.
I feel it is important to show some this mans true actions as opposed to just the past he will try to paint tonight.
And what is that exactly Midnyte? What are his "true actions?"
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Post by Midnyte_Ragebringer »

Wow you are easily confused.

Question: You committed autrocities?

Answer: I think the word is a bad word? LOL
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Wow you are easily confused.

Question: You committed autrocities?

Answer: I think the word is a bad word? LOL
Try you are confused (as usual) and you didnt answer my question (as usual). The emphasis of the question was on the use of the word "atrocities" as in "you call what you did atrocities?" The journalist took Kerry's word and questioned his use of the word. Kerry explained his position.

When Kerry says "I think the word is a bad word" he doesn't mean "bad word" as kindergartners use it. He means a bad word choice. But thanks for looking like an idiot by implying he meant otherwise.

Now again I ask what "true actions" are you so clumsily trying to expose?
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Midynte is an idiot, his words mean less than the shit my dog craps out on the lawn, yadda yadda yadda. Stop trying to address the mere shell of a man. Everyones time would be better spent on anything else.
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Lalanae wrote: Now again I ask what "true actions" are you so clumsily trying to expose?

Welp. Did he mention ever that he is no better than the military personnel who commited crimes in Abu Graib? Actually much worse. The things he admitted to doing is fucking sick. Must be cool to be a powerful politician where you can be so hipocritical and get away with it.
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I dunno, dude. Kerry's hair alone scares me almost as much as Bush's entire campaign.
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Post by Kluden »

If you put this post up to make fun of a guy making a joke right before/after talking about something serious...what about Dubya on the golf course? That's a pretty good one:

paraphrased cause I can't remember it exactly:

Q: What about dead people blah blah blah
Dubya: I feel bad. It sucks...pause... Now watch me hit this drive!


There, Dubya making a bad joke at a bad time. Him and Kerry are a fucken band of brothers!!!!
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I'm sick of this "now watch this drive" line, you talk to the president on a golf course, what do you fucking expect him to say?
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Sionistic wrote:I'm sick of this "now watch this drive" line, you talk to the president on a golf course, what do you fucking expect him to say?
I'd have to agree. Kerry was being asked that question during an interview. Bush was being bothered while he was golfing with a question he has been asked a gizillion times.
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i think the hair color comment was a nervous response actually. i agree with what Russert said on Hannity's radio show 2 days ago when talking about this incident :p

And Hannity basically praised Russert for being able to make people feel the heat on his show, commenting on how the president himself had a couple of verbal slips on Meet the Press.
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I'm just saying...they both made jokes, at what would appear afterwards to be an inopportune time. That's all. Not bashing either for what they said, but you are, so I'm giving you a counterpoint.

And believe me, if Dubya didn't want to be interviewed on the golf course, it would be no problem to remove those pesky reporters! So saying he was "bothered" or whatever, is kind of stretching it. They are reporters, they will ask questions.
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Some people would not mind taking a quick break from golf to answer some questions. As for Kerry, a little joke doesnt hurt anyone. As long as he doesnt try to avoid the question. However it did look like he was avoiding it. It looked like he didnt want to put himself into a situiation that groups him together with the guys at abu graib.
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I agree completely, Sio. But, the reason I brought the Bush thing was because the original post was busting on Kerry for making a joke at an inopportune time. Just wanted to show that all politicians do stupid shit like that...and then avoid the question, or use the joke to end the question they avoided already.

They both did the same thing in my mind....just one started with it, while the other ended with it.
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