Kerry Crap

[Morgrym]

I found this semi humorous..more so because it came in my in box this morning on a Government computer. It seems that some moron somehow managed to send this little gem to about everyone in the USCG! (UCMJ anyone?)

:edit: stupid quote thing > me at this point.....:edit:

If anyone of you has ever had family in the military or currently in
the
military, you need to read this!

"Swifties" respond to Kerry

Can you read this and tell any of these 18 men they are wrong about
Kerry?
They don't hide in Anonymity , but provide their photos as well as their
names.
Swift Boat Quotes about John Kerry
"We resent very deeply the false war crimes charges he made coming
back
from Vietnam in 1971 and repeated in the book 'Tour of Duty.' We think
those cast
an aspersion on all those living and dead, from our unit and other units
in
Vietnam. We think that he knew he was lying when he made the charges,
and we
think that they're unsupportable. We intend to bring the truth about
that to the
American people. We believe, based on our experience with him, that he
is
totally unfit to be the Commander-in-Chief." -- John O'Neill, spokesman,
Swift
Boat Veterans for Truth
"I do not believe John Kerry is fit to be Commander-in-Chief of the
armed
forces of the United States. This is not a political issue. It is a
matter of
his judgment, truthfulness, reliability, loyalty and trust -- all
absolute
tenets of command. His biography, 'Tour of Duty,' by Douglas Brinkley,
is replete
with gross exaggerations, distortions of fact, contradictions and
slanderous
lies. His contempt for the military and authority is evident by even a
most
casual review of this biography. He arrived in-country with a strong
anti-Vietnam
War bias and a self-serving determination to build a foundation for his
political future. He was aggressive, but vain and prone to impulsive
judgment,
often with disregard for specific tactical assignments. He was a 'loose
cannon.'
In an abbreviated tour of four months and 12 days, and with his specious
medals
secure, Lt.(jg) Kerry bugged out and began his infamous betrayal of all
United States forces in the Vietnam War. That included our soldiers, our
marines,
our sailors, our coast guardsmen, our airmen, and our POWs. His
leadership
within the so-called Vietnam Veterans Against the War and testimony
before
Congress in 1971 charging us with unspeakable atrocities remain an
undocumented but
nevertheless meticulous stain on the men and women who honorably stayed
the
course. Senator Kerry is not fit for command." -- Rear Admiral Roy
Hoffman, USN
(retired), chairman, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
"During Lt.(jg) Kerry's tour, he was under my command for two or three

specific operations, before his rapid exit. Trust, loyalty and judgment
are the
key, operative words. His turncoat performance in 1971 in his grubby
shirt and
his medal-tossing escapade, coupled with his slanderous lines in the
recent
book portraying us that served, including all POWs and MIAs, as
murderous war
criminals, I believe, will have a lasting effect on all military
veterans and
their families. Kerry would be described as devious, self-absorbing,
manipulative, disdain for authority, disruptive, but the most common
phrase that you'd
hear is 'requires constant supervision.'" -- Captain Charles Plumly, USN

(retired)
"Thirty-five years ago, many of us fell silent when we came back to
the
stain of sewage that Mr. Kerry had thrown on us, and all of our
colleagues who
served over there. I don't intend to be silent today or ever again. Our
young
men and women who are serving deserve no less." --
Andrew Horne
"In my specific, personal experience in both coastal and river patrols
over
a 12-month period, I never once saw or heard anything remotely
resembling the
atrocities described by Senator Kerry. If I had, it would have been my
obligation to report them in writing to a higher authority, and I would
certainly
have done that. If Senator Kerry actually witnessed or participated in
these
atrocities or, as he described them, 'war crimes,' he was obligated to
report
them. That he did not until later when it suited his political purposes
strikes
me as opportunism of the worst kind. That he would malign my service and
that
of his fellow sailors with no regard for the truth makes him totally
unqualified to serve as Commander-in-Chief." -- Jeffrey Wainscott
"I signed that letter because I, too felt a deep sense of betrayal
that
someone who took the same oath of loyalty as I did as an officer in the
United
States Navy would abandon his group here (points to group photo) to join
this
group here (points to VVAW protest photo), and come home and attempt to
rally
the American public against the effort that this group was so valiantly
pursuing. It is a fact that in the entire Vietnam War we did not lose
one major
battle. We lost the war at home .. and at home, John Kerry was the Field
General."
-- Robert Elder
"My daughters and my wife have read portions of the book 'Tour of
Duty.'
They wanted to know if I took part in the atrocities described. I do not
believe
the things that are described happened. Let me give you an example. In
Brinkley's book, on pages 170 to 171, about something called the 'Bo De
massacre' on
November 24th of 1968... In Kerry's description of the engagement, first
he
claimed there were 17 servicemen that were wounded. Three of us were
wounded. I
was the first..." -- Joseph Ponder .
"While in Cam Rahn Bay, he trained on several 24-hour indoctrination
missions, and one special skimmer operation with my most senior and
trusted
Lieutenant. The briefing from some members of that crew the morning
after revealed
that they had not received any enemy fire, and yet Lt.(jg) Kerry
informed me of a
wound -- he showed me a scratch on his arm and a piece of shrapnel in
his
hand that appeared to be from one of our own M-79s. It was later
reported to me
that Lt.(jg) Kerry had fired an M-79, and it had exploded off the
adjacent
shoreline. I do not recall being advised of any medical treatment, and
probably
said something like 'Forget it.' He later received a Purple Heart for
that
scratch, and I have no information as to how or whom. Lt.(jg) Kerry was
allowed to
return to the good old USA after 4 months and a few days in-country, and
then
he proceeded to betray his former shipmates, calling them criminals who
were
committing atrocities. Today we are here to tell you that just the
opposite is
true. Our rules of engagement were quite strict, and the officers and
men of
Swift often did not even return fire when they were under fire if there
was a
possibility that innocent people -- fishermen, in a lot of cases --
might be
hurt or injured. The rules and the good intentions of the men increased
the
possibility that we might take friendly casualties." -- Commander Grant
Hibbard,
USN (retired)
. "Lt. Kerry returned home from the war to make some outrageous
statements
and allegations... of numerous criminal acts in violation of the law of
war
were cited by Kerry, disparaging those who had fought with honor in that

conflict. Had war crimes been committed by US forces in Vietnam? Yes,
but such acts
were few and far between. Yet Lt. Kerry gave numerous speeches and
testimony
before Congress inappropriately leading his audiences to believe that
what was
only an anomaly in the conduct of America's fighting men was an
epidemic.
Furthermore, he suggested that they were being encouraged to violate the
law of war
by those within the chain of command. Very specific orders, on file at
the
Vietnam archives at Texas Tech University, were issued by my father
[Admiral
Elmo Zumwalt] and others in his chain of command instructing
subordinates to act
responsibly in preserving the life and property of Vietnamese
civilians." --
Lt. Col. James Zumwalt, USMC ) , retired.
. "We look at Vietnam... after all these years it is still languishing
in
isolated poverty and helplessness and tyranny. This is John Kerry's
legacy. I
deeply resent John Kerry's using his Swift boat experience, and his
betrayal of
those who fought there as a stepping-stone to his political ambitions."
--
Barnard Wolff
"In a whole year that I spent patrolling, I didn't see anything like a
war
crime, an atrocity, anything like that. Time and again I saw American
fighting
men put themselves in graver danger trying to avoid... collateral
damage.
When John Kerry returned to the country, he was sworn in front of
Congress. And
then he told my family -- my parents, my sister, my brother, my
neighbors -- he
told everyone I knew and everyone I'd ever know that I and my comrades
had
committed unspeakable atrocities." -- David Wallace
"I served with these guys. I went on missions with them, and these men

served honorably. Up and down the chain of command there was no
acquiescence to
atrocities. It was not condoned, it did not happen, and it was not
reported to
me verbally or in writing by any of these men including Lt.(jg) Kerry.
In 1971,
'72, for almost 18 months, he stood before the television audiences and
claimed that the 500,000 men and women in Vietnam, and in combat, were
all villains
-- there were no heroes. In 2004, one hero from the Vietnam War has
appeared,
running for President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief. It
just
galls one to think about it." -- Captain George
Elliott, USN (retired)
"During the Vietnam War I was Task Force Commander at An Thoi, and my
tour
of duty was 13 months, from the end of Tet to the beginning of the
Vietnamization of the Navy units. Now when I went there right after Tet,
I was restricted
in my movements. I couldn't go much of anyplace because the Vietcong
controlled most of the area. When I left, I could go anywhere I wanted,
just about.
Commerce was booming, the buses were running, trucks were going, the
waterways
were filled with sampans with goods going to market, but yet in Kerry's
biography he says that our operations were a complete failure. He also
mentions a
formal conference with me, to try to get more air cover and so on. That
conference never happened..." -- Captain Adrian Lonsdale, USCG (retired)
"I was in An Thoi from June of '68 to June of '69, covering the whole
period that John Kerry was there. I operated in every river, in every
canal, and
every off-shore patrol area in the 4th Corps area, from Cambodia all the
way
around to the Bo De River. I never saw, even heard of all of these
so-called
atrocities and things that we were supposed to have done. This is not
true. We're
not standing for it. We want to set the record straight." -- William
Shumadine
"In 1971, when John Kerry spoke out to America, labeling all Vietnam
veterans as thugs and murderers, I was shocked and almost brought to my
knees,
because even though I had served at the same time and same unit, I had
never
witnessed or participated in any of the events that the Senator had
accused us of. I
strongly believe that the statements made by the Senator were not only
false
and inaccurate, but extremely harmful to the United States' efforts in
Southeast Asia and the rest of the world. Tragically, some veterans,
scorned by the
antiwar movement and their allies, retreated to a life of despair and
suicide.
Two of my crewmates were among them. For that there is no forgiveness. "
--
Richard O'Meara
"My name is Steve Gardner. I served in 1966 and 1967 on my first tour
of
duty in Vietnam on Swift boats, and I did my second tour in '68 and '69,

involved with John Kerry in the last 2 1/2 months of my tour. The John
Kerry that I
know is not the John Kerry that everybody else is portraying. I served
alongside him and behind him, five feet away from him in a gun tub, and
watched as he
made indecisive moves with our boat, put our boats in jeopardy, put our
crews
in jeopardy... if a man like that can't handle that 6-man crew boat, how
can
you expect him to be our Commander-in-Chief?" -- Steven Gardner
"I served in Vietnam as a boat officer from June of 1968 to July of
1969.
My service was three months in Coastal Division 13 out of Cat Lo, and
nine
months with Coastal Division 11 based in An Thoi. John Kerry was in An
Thoi the
same time I was. I'm here today to express the anger I have harbored for
over 33
years, about being accused with my fellow shipmates of war atrocities.
All I
can say is when I leave here today, I'm going down to the Wall to tell
my two
crew members it's not true, and that they and the other 49 Swiftees who
are on
the Wall were then and are still now the best." -- Robert Brant
"I never saw, heard of, or participated in any Swift boat crews
killing
cattle, poisoning crops, or raping and killing civilians as charged by
John
Kerry, both in his book and in public statements. Since we both operated
at the
same time, in the same general area, and on the same missions under the
same
commanders, it is hard to believe his claims of atrocities and poor
planning of
Sea Lord missions. I signed this letter because I feel that he used
Swift boat
sailors to proclaim his antiwar statements after the war, and now he
uses the
same Swift boat sailors to support his claims of being a war hero. He
cannot
have it both ways, and we are here to ask for full disclosure of the
proof of
his claims." -- James Steffes .

[miir]

Can you maybe edit that fucking mess so that it's semi-readable?

[Jice Virago]

Great work, they found some guy who served in Nam with Kerry to help with their smear campain.

Now maybe they can dig up someone who knows where the fuck GW was when he was supposed to show up for his drug testing in the Champaign Company....

[Morgrym]

I could probably edit it but I am way to lazy..that is the way I got it, that is the way you get it. Just sharing information that I found funny yet interesting. Copy and paste it onto a word document if you want it sorted out.

[Winnow]

Great work, they found some guy who served in Nam with Kerry to help with their smear campain.

....

Some guy? Looks like 18 men with direct links to Kerry in Vietnam including his superiors.

It's hard to gloss over those comments but I'm sure the liberals will find a way if they even read it.

[Cartalas]

Great work, they found some guy who served in Nam with Kerry to help with their smear campain.

....

Some guy? Looks like 18 men with direct links to Kerry in Vietnam including his superiors.

It's hard to gloss over those comments but I'm sure the liberals will find a way if they even read it.

Damn it only took him 4 months to collect 3 purple hearts and get a quickie discharge.

[Winnow]

"While in Cam Rahn Bay, he trained on several 24-hour indoctrination missions, and one special skimmer operation with my most senior and trusted Lieutenant. The briefing from some members of that crew the morning after revealed that they had not received any enemy fire, and yet Lt.(jg) Kerry informed me of a wound -- he showed me a scratch on his arm and a piece of shrapnel in his hand that appeared to be from one of our own M-79s. It was later reported to me that Lt.(jg) Kerry had fired an M-79, and it had exploded off the adjacent shoreline. I do not recall being advised of any medical treatment, and probably said something like 'Forget it.' He later received a Purple Heart for that scratch, and I have no information as to how or whom. Lt.(jg) Kerry was allowed to return to the good old USA after 4 months and a few days in-country

[Forthe]

Are you guys really surprised Kerry went to vietnam and became disillusioned with the war?

Would you be surprised today if some young man that eagerly signed up after 9\11 said he wanted to come home and he didn't know why he was in Iraq? I've seen several such interviews. Would you begrudge any of them taking an opportunity to get out of there alive?

[Sylvus]

I found this snopes entry when looking for information on the decorations Kerry received in vietnam.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp

I haven't known snopes to have a decidedly right or left slant, and most of the stuff in there is taken from other sources, so take it as you will.