Socialism is Evil!

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I wish I could have expressed this so well. Please note the Republicans are just as guilty as the Democrats. This is one reason why GWs support among true conservatives is not very strong. Of course we realize that Kerry would be significantly worse so we hold our noses and support Bush.

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Socialism is evil
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July 28, 2004

What is socialism? We miss the boat if we say it's the agenda of left-wingers and Democrats. According to Marxist doctrine, socialism is a stage of society between capitalism and communism where private ownership and control over property are eliminated. The essence of socialism is the attenuation and ultimate abolition of private property rights. Attacks on private property include, but are not limited to, confiscating the rightful property of one person and giving it to another to whom it doesn't belong. When this is done privately, we call it theft. When it's done collectively, we use euphemisms: income transfers or redistribution. It's not just left-wingers and Democrats who call for and admire socialism but right-wingers and Republicans as well.

Republicans and right-wingers support taking the earnings of one American and giving them to farmers, banks, airlines and other failing businesses. Democrats and left-wingers support taking the earnings of one American and giving them to poor people, cities and artists. Both agree on taking one American's earnings to give to another; they simply differ on the recipients. This kind of congressional activity constitutes at least two-thirds of the federal budget.

Regardless of the purpose, such behavior is immoral. It's a reduced form of slavery. After all, what is the essence of slavery? It's the forceful use of one person to serve the purposes of another person. When Congress, through the tax code, takes the earnings of one person and turns around to give it to another person in the forms of prescription drugs, Social Security, food stamps, farm subsidies or airline bailouts, it is forcibly using one person to serve the purposes of another.

The moral question stands out in starker relief when we acknowledge that those spending programs coming out of Congress do not represent lawmakers reaching into their own pockets and sending out the money. Moreover, there's no tooth fairy or Santa Claus giving them the money. The fact that government has no resources of its very own forces us to acknowledge that the only way government can give one American a dollar is to first -- through intimidation, threats and coercion -- take that dollar from some other American.

Some might rejoin that all of this is a result of a democratic process and it's legal. Legality alone is no guide for a moral people. There are many things in this world that have been, or are, legal but clearly immoral. Slavery was legal. Did that make it moral? South Africa's apartheid, Nazi persecution of Jews, and Stalinist and Maoist purges were all legal, but did that make them moral?

Can a moral case be made for taking the rightful property of one American and giving it to another to whom it does not belong? I think not. That's why socialism is evil. It uses evil means (coercion) to achieve what are seen as good ends (helping people). We might also note that an act that is inherently evil does not become moral simply because there's a majority consensus.

An argument against legalized theft should not be construed as an argument against helping one's fellow man in need. Charity is a noble instinct; theft, legal or illegal, is despicable. Or, put another way: Reaching into one's own pocket to assist his fellow man is noble and worthy of praise. Reaching into another person's pocket to assist one's fellow man is despicable and worthy of condemnation.

For the Christians among us, socialism and the welfare state must be seen as sinful. When God gave Moses the commandment "Thou shalt not steal," I'm sure He didn't mean thou shalt not steal unless there's a majority vote. And I'm sure that if you asked God if it's OK just being a recipient of stolen property, He would deem that a sin as well.



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This guy has been on the "pipe" a little toooooooo long...
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Without taxes, there would be no government. It wouldn't be true democracy, it'd be anarchy.

While our government is fucked in the way it creates and administers their programs, the programs themselves are mostly necessary.

Without taxes, we would never have gone to the moon, which IMO is mankind's greatest achievement to date.
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Metanis wrote:For the Christians among us, socialism and the welfare state must be seen as sinful. When God gave Moses the commandment "Thou shalt not steal," I'm sure He didn't mean thou shalt not steal unless there's a majority vote. And I'm sure that if you asked God if it's OK just being a recipient of stolen property, He would deem that a sin as well.
Haha what an ingnorant fucking dumb ass. Churches already get huge ass tax exemtions and if it were not for taxation, this tool wouldn't even be able to post this dribble on the internet. I bet without stopping to take a breath he thinks people should be required to stuff the fucking donation plate at their local church every sunday. Sorry fundie boy, the US is not a Theocracy, despite your best efforts. Even if it were, your corrupt ass church leaders would still be lining their pockets and that of their buddies with your money, so you are just farting in the wind here.
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Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
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Greed is great. Fuck this shit about being a contributing member of a society whats mine is mine and screw you. Lets revert to independent living, fuck public utilities and services I'll hunt for my own food and build a snazzy new outhouse. Plenty of wood to burn for heat. I hate taxes. Poor people suck.
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render unto caesar...
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masteen wrote:
Without taxes, we would never have gone to the moon, which IMO is mankind's greatest achievement to date.
Id pay out the wazoo in taxes if it was focused on things like this.
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I emailed that guy and told him study his sources more before posting about politics and religion and attached the following from Romans. I don't want to argue the meaning of this... however it definitely goes against his point so...

Rom 13:1 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.
Rom 13:2 Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.
Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same;
Rom 13:4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.
Rom 13:5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience' sake.
Rom 13:6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for {rulers} are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing.
Rom 13:7 Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax {is due;} custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.


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forget income taxes take em away and take out coorporate loop holes and rich mans welfare...instead make a increase in sales taxes for the federal gov't then no one can escape skipping on there taxes....for the poor make no taxes on food items ect, whichever they think is needed...If you make more money then ya buy more stuff which in hand ya pay more taxes. To bad this would cost to many accounting jobs and be a political liability, it maybe possible if not.
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Changes for the better are not necessarily going to be made because of the way business does business in American politics. Politicians have to take campaign payments from companies in order to get elected, therefore owing those companies. For many of these ideas, which would undoubtedly be good for America as a whole, they unfortunately don't make very good business sense and are shot down, or even worse, aren't even considered by politicians in our society. You all saw the reaction Hilary Clinton got in 93 in regards to health care. How much of that was idealism and how much was corporations and businesses paying our politicians and then our politicians laughing her away?
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Sirton wrote:forget income taxes take em away and take out coorporate loop holes and rich mans welfare...instead make a increase in sales taxes for the federal gov't then no one can escape skipping on there taxes....for the poor make no taxes on food items ect, whichever they think is needed...If you make more money then ya buy more stuff which in hand ya pay more taxes. To bad this would cost to many accounting jobs and be a political liability, it maybe possible if not.
Wow I agree with Sirton. I expect pigs to fly by my house in formation any minute now.
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Post by Chmee »

Not the best critique of socialism I have read, but he does make a few good points.

Full blown socialism moves all economic activity into the realm of the state. Its not just "rendering unto caesar" its saying caesar gets everything. It is, as Hayek so aptly put it, the road to serfdom.

Its also terribly inefficient as an economic system. When the government directs economic activity it destroys the price system and the price system is the crucial feedback mechanism which economies use to determine what goods get produced.
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Ohh crap me and Forthe agree on something..let me change my viewpoint :)
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