Fox news! (sorry i have to see this)

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » July 26, 2004, 6:29 pm

Dregor Thule wrote:Well, I think in terms of your best interests, you'd probably be Moderate or Liberal. Conservative leads to the path of cencorship.

Conservatives also get to use red lightsabers.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » July 26, 2004, 6:55 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:
Dregor Thule wrote:Well, I think in terms of your best interests, you'd probably be Moderate or Liberal. Conservative leads to the path of cencorship.

Conservatives also get to use red lightsabers.

And let's not forget the Death Star!

We have parts for many! Bwahahahahahaha!

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 26, 2004, 10:25 pm

5 minutes ago Cnn NBC and several other news sources were showing live coverage of Jimmy Carters speech at the DNC

Fox news was showing Kerrys wife telling a reporter to "shove it"

I guess if they showed real news, like the DNC it would make Kerry look good, omg liberal media conspiracy!!

Avestan · Post by **Avestan** » July 26, 2004, 10:47 pm

dude, cnn had it on their front page. Give it a rest.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » July 26, 2004, 11:51 pm

I was asking around today whether folks thought FOX was conservative or liberal.

While all that I asked said that FOX was more 'dramatic' than anything else, if given a direct choice, liberal was the answer....and most definately biased.

OK, this was no official survey--most folks I work with make pretty decent incomes and don't like whiney college students....

I think I am more interested to know who actually thinks FOX is unbiased on either side of the fence.

Llaffer · Post by **Llaffer** » July 27, 2004, 3:16 am

Xzion wrote:5 minutes ago Cnn NBC and several other news sources were showing live coverage of Jimmy Carters speech at the DNC

Fox news was showing Kerrys wife telling a reporter to "shove it"

I guess if they showed real news, like the DNC it would make Kerry look good, omg liberal media conspiracy!!

It's all news, it's just hard to listen to the truth sometimes.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » July 27, 2004, 4:35 am

imo that reporter completely deserved the 'shove it' comment.

I am so sick of every election - republican or democrat - the wife of the person being targetted. HEZBOLLAH

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 27, 2004, 8:41 am

Llaffer wrote:
Xzion wrote:5 minutes ago Cnn NBC and several other news sources were showing live coverage of Jimmy Carters speech at the DNC

Fox news was showing Kerrys wife telling a reporter to "shove it"

I guess if they showed real news, like the DNC it would make Kerry look good, omg liberal media conspiracy!!
It's all news, it's just hard to listen to the truth sometimes.

I dont know what its like in your little confined world, but i think there are a lot more important things to report then the next presidents wife telling a stalking-ass reporter to shove it or for that matter the VP telling someone to fuck off

Shaerra · Post by **Shaerra** » July 27, 2004, 9:50 am

Thess wrote:imo that reporter completely deserved the 'shove it' comment.

I am so sick of every election - republican or democrat - the wife of the person being targetted. HEZBOLLAH

OF COURSE that's how you feel! You've proven time and again that being a two-faced hypocrite is not just aces in your book, it's the criteria that you use to decide who to befriend and vote for.

FACTS: (Quick, Thess, LOOK AWAY! AVERT YOUR EYES! IT BURNS! IT BUUUUURNS!)

Teresa Heinz Kerry accused the editorial page editor for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review of misquoting her -- though she had in fact used a word that she denied using.

Heinz Kerry's comment came Sunday after she told a group of voters, "We need to turn back some of the creeping, un-Pennsylvanian and sometimes un-American traits that are coming into some of our politics."

As she was leaving, Colin McNickle, the Tribune-Review's editorial page editor, asked her what she had meant by, in his words, "un-American activity."

According to an exchange posted on the paper's Web site, she denied having said "activity" and also denied saying "un-American."

After stepping away and speaking briefly with Democratic organizers of the event, she returned and asked the reporter whether he worked for the Tribune-Review. He said he did.

"Understandable. You said something I didn't say, now shove it," she told him.

So Thess backs YET ANOTHER person that says one thing while in the spotlight, but does the opposite when she thinks no one is looking.

It looks like the main reason some of you hate Bush is because he DID what he said he was going to do when NO ONE else would. It scares you to have a man of DEEDS, not WORDS in office.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » July 27, 2004, 10:40 am

While she did say the word 'unamerican' - she was misquoted.

"un-american activities" versus "un-american traits"

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » July 27, 2004, 10:52 am

I'd still like to hear what she considers "un-american". From here it appears her family has been treated quite well by the media. So what's the gripe? Examples please.

Llaffer · Post by **Llaffer** » July 27, 2004, 11:01 am

If we've learned anything by the Clinton administration was that the "Wife" seemed to have more power in the house than the husband.

Damn right that anything any family member (esp the wife) of a candidate is news.

Just because you don't like it being reported doesn't mean it isn't news. But like I said before -- none of the other liberal biased news organizations would report anything that would be detrimental.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » July 27, 2004, 11:04 am

Damn right that anything any family member (esp the wife) of a candidate is news.

Just because you don't like it being reported doesn't mean it isn't news. But like I said before -- none of the other liberal biased news organizations would report anything that would be detrimental.

hum didn't the Bush administration complain loudly about the twins' drunken activities being reported on?

Shaerra · Post by **Shaerra** » July 27, 2004, 11:19 am

Yeah, cause that's the same...

Thess · Post by **Thess** » July 27, 2004, 12:07 pm

Shaerra wrote:Yeah, cause that's the same...

Uh how?

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » July 27, 2004, 12:50 pm

It's sad that we actually have people here who believe Clinton didn't do a good job, knob polished or not... It's funny how many liberals and moderates will give credit where credit is due but not the right by gosh. If you don't agree 100% your wrong. Yea Clinton got a BJ, what more humourous and the republicans in America think that is a big deal. I guess after wasting millions of dollars of OUR money they had to have something to get him on since they couldn't find anything else... try as hard as they might. 100 Years from now people will remember Clinton as a great president and GWB as a fool who almost collapsed this country.

Marb

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » July 27, 2004, 1:30 pm

Shaerra wrote:Yeah, cause that's the same...

How is it not? Stop being a complete dumbass and actually stop sounding like Midnyte.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 27, 2004, 1:43 pm

Kerry's wife lost her cool. She's a moron if she doesn't realize that smiling and moving along is part of politics.

I hope she tells more reporters to shove it like maybe right before Kerry's speech Thursday. Nice going! Perhaps she should ask for some advice from ice cold, heartless Hillary on how to deal with the media.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 27, 2004, 7:05 pm

but when a rightie tells a reporter to shove off, he or she is a passionate privacy advocate who should be given a medal

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 27, 2004, 7:23 pm

Yes! Rightie politicians are generally richer and deserve more privacy and respect.

Welcome aboard kyou!

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » July 27, 2004, 7:31 pm

Marbus wrote: Yea Clinton got a BJ, what more humourous and the republicans in America think that is a big deal.

When the guy can't keep a dedicated promise to someone as important as his wife, that shows that he lacks the strenght of character to remain dedicated and trusted by the people he represents.

It's a major character weakness that destroys trust.

A president is entrusted with many things. When he fails to uphold the trust in his own marriage, it shows that he isn't qualified to hold our trust.

Adultery is a big deal to many people.

But he's gone. It's in the past.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 27, 2004, 8:09 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:
Marbus wrote: Yea Clinton got a BJ, what more humourous and the republicans in America think that is a big deal.
When the guy can't keep a dedicated promise to someone as important as his wife, that shows that he lacks the strenght of character to remain dedicated and trusted by the people he represents.

It's a major character weakness that destroys trust.

A president is entrusted with many things. When he fails to uphold the trust in his own marriage, it shows that he isn't qualified to hold our trust.

Adultery is a big deal to many people.

But he's gone. It's in the past.

I disagree, but by those standards...

how about a president that has been arrested for driving drunk at least twice, has done cocane, and drove several buisnesses into the ground that he was handed on a silver plate?

Besides the buisness part i could give two shits weather or not Bush has done Coke in his past or gotten DUIs, but it does matter to people questioning a presidents "morality"
Or is this just an excuse to make the "enemy" look bad?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 27, 2004, 8:23 pm

Xzion wrote: how about a president that has been arrested for driving drunk at least twice, has done cocane, and drove several buisnesses into the ground that he was handed on a silver plate?

That was before he took office though. As far as you know, Bush hasn't snorted coke, or drived drunk while in office and has been loyal to his wife!

Every president has past issues from when they were young but I would separate that from issues when they are in office.

Bush had an unfortunate liberal side to him for awhile that made him act like james dean and be rebellious.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 27, 2004, 8:26 pm

Winnow wrote:
Xzion wrote: how about a president that has been arrested for driving drunk at least twice, has done cocane, and drove several buisnesses into the ground that he was handed on a silver plate?
That was before he took office though. As far as you know, Bush hasn't snorted coke, or drived drunk while in office and has been loyal to his wife!

Every president has past issues from when they were young but I would separate that from issues when they are in office.

Bush had an unfortunate liberal side to him for awhile that made him act like james dean and be rebellious.

You're really quite good at justifying horrible things.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 27, 2004, 8:56 pm

Winnow wrote:
Xzion wrote: how about a president that has been arrested for driving drunk at least twice, has done cocane, and drove several buisnesses into the ground that he was handed on a silver plate?
That was before he took office though. As far as you know, Bush hasn't snorted coke, or drived drunk while in office and has been loyal to his wife!

Every president has past issues from when they were young but I would separate that from issues when they are in office.

Bush had an unfortunate liberal side to him for awhile that made him act like james dean and be rebellious.

Damn, i always thought you were a (fair) moderate, who would be able to look beyond a presidents personal life when analyzing the politician, but your proving to be a flat out partisan.
Funny to see an athiest support a religious-right, born again christian 90-something IQ nutcase

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 27, 2004, 9:00 pm

Presidents and money:

Bill Clinton $0.93
Gerald Ford $1.1
Richard Nixon $1.3
John Kerry $1.6
George H.W. Bush $2.0
Jimmy Carter $2.2
Ronald Reagan $4.8
George W. Bush $13
Lyndon B. Johnson $19

Besides Lyndon Johnson killing Kennedy to make himself rich during the Vietnam war with his ties to the military industry, there haven't been too many presidents that were exceedingly wealthy.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 27, 2004, 9:09 pm

Xzion wrote:
Winnow wrote:
Xzion wrote: how about a president that has been arrested for driving drunk at least twice, has done cocane, and drove several buisnesses into the ground that he was handed on a silver plate?
That was before he took office though. As far as you know, Bush hasn't snorted coke, or drived drunk while in office and has been loyal to his wife!

Every president has past issues from when they were young but I would separate that from issues when they are in office.

Bush had an unfortunate liberal side to him for awhile that made him act like james dean and be rebellious.
Damn, i always thought you were a (fair) moderate, who would be able to look beyond a presidents personal life when analyzing the politician, but your proving to be a flat out partisan.
Funny to see an athiest support a religious-right, born again christian 90-something IQ nutcase

Of course I'm not basing real decisions on this crap Xzion. Battling over a blow job while married and in office over partying it up during your early 20's isn't going to decide the election.

People stress over that stuff though. The only concern I have about the behavior of presidents is while they are in office and the best example of that is Clinton admitting that he was on the couch stressing over his marriage while decisions about Bin Laden and camps in Afghanistan were being made. That's not what you want from a president no matter what party they come from.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » July 27, 2004, 10:48 pm

Presidents and money:

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John Kerry $1.6

Good to see that Kerry is already being listed as a president!

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 28, 2004, 12:48 am

LOL fox is a joke. tonight the "counterpoint" to Sean Hannity was Newt Gingrich.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » July 28, 2004, 8:28 am

Xzion wrote:
Adex_Xeda wrote:
Marbus wrote: Yea Clinton got a BJ, what more humourous and the republicans in America think that is a big deal.
When the guy can't keep a dedicated promise to someone as important as his wife, that shows that he lacks the strenght of character to remain dedicated and trusted by the people he represents.

It's a major character weakness that destroys trust.

A president is entrusted with many things. When he fails to uphold the trust in his own marriage, it shows that he isn't qualified to hold our trust.

Adultery is a big deal to many people.

But he's gone. It's in the past.
I disagree, but by those standards...

how about a president that has been arrested for driving drunk at least twice, has done cocane, and drove several buisnesses into the ground that he was handed on a silver plate?

Besides the buisness part i could give two shits weather or not Bush has done Coke in his past or gotten DUIs, but it does matter to people questioning a presidents "morality"
Or is this just an excuse to make the "enemy" look bad?

Yeah he did all of those while in office.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 28, 2004, 9:04 am

Has the US found WMDs in Iraq?

Fox viewers who say yes: 33%
PBS-NPR viewers who say yes: 11%

Does world opinion favor the US invasion of Iraq?

Fox viewers who say yes: 35%
PBS-NPR viewers who say yes: 5%

Has the US found links between Iraq and Al-Quaeda?

Fox viewers who say yes: 67%
PBS-NPR viewers who say yes: 16%

Sounds like Fox viewers answer these super-generalized questions more accurately than their PBS-NPR viewers.

We have found WMD's. (Only a handful though)
Most people do think getting rid of Saddam was the right thing to do.
It was proven their waas a link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda.(Just no link between them and 9/11 or any other terrorist activities thus far.)

When you ask leading questions like that, you get the desired responses to "try" and prove your point of a biased FNC.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 28, 2004, 9:15 am

The limits to your delusions knows no bounds.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 28, 2004, 9:28 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Has the US found WMDs in Iraq?

Fox viewers who say yes: 33%
PBS-NPR viewers who say yes: 11%

Does world opinion favor the US invasion of Iraq?

Fox viewers who say yes: 35%
PBS-NPR viewers who say yes: 5%

Has the US found links between Iraq and Al-Quaeda?

Fox viewers who say yes: 67%
PBS-NPR viewers who say yes: 16%
Sounds like Fox viewers answer these super-generalized questions more accurately than their PBS-NPR viewers.

We have found WMD's. (Only a handful though)
Most people do think getting rid of Saddam was the right thing to do.
It was proven their waas a link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda.(Just no link between them and 9/11 or any other terrorist activities thus far.)

When you ask leading questions like that, you get the desired responses to "try" and prove your point of a biased FNC.

We didnt find a handfull, we found ONE shell that was harmless and left over, decaying from there last war
Of course one shell turns into WE FOUND WMDS IRAQ IS JUSTIFIED YEEEEHAWWW FUCK MUSLIMS LETS ROLL

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » July 28, 2004, 10:20 am

We have found WMD's. (Only a handful though)

Uh no.

Most people do think getting rid of Saddam was the right thing to do.

However, the question wasn't wether getting rid of Saddam was a good thing or not. This was the question:

Does world opinion favor the US invasion of Iraq?

And the answer to that is a clear hell no. Huge difference between favour the invasion and agreeing that getting rid of Saddam was good.

It was proven their waas a link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda.(Just no link between them and 9/11 or any other terrorist activities thus far.)

No more than a link between the US government and al Qaeda.

Keep grasping.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 28, 2004, 11:01 am

we have found WMDs like Mid said (i think). some shells here or there that may be 5 years old that may be 20 years old. i have no idea.

anyway, its not stockpiles or a "grave and gathering threat" and that is what is ultimately the point. so it doesnt really matter to split hairs over the semantics of the question.

I agree with Mid though, if you literally interpret the question, then the answer is yes.

If the people who did that survey wanted to get a more accurate answer they should have asked the question more clearly. By the way, did anybody link the actual story from PEW on this?

or is it a link of a news story reporting what PEW said (with the obligatory 8th grade reading level dumbing down of the content).

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » July 28, 2004, 12:17 pm

Voronwë wrote:If the people who did that survey wanted to get a more accurate answer they should have asked the question more clearly. By the way, did anybody link the actual story from PEW on this?

or is it a link of a news story reporting what PEW said (with the obligatory 8th grade reading level dumbing down of the content).

A link to the overall site was posted by Lalanae earlier, http://www.pipa.org

For the study results go to

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/ ... Report.pdf

for the questionaire used go to

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/ ... nnaire.pdf

both are pdf files.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 28, 2004, 3:19 pm

Kelshara wrote:
We have found WMD's. (Only a handful though)
Uh no.

Most people do think getting rid of Saddam was the right thing to do.
However, the question wasn't wether getting rid of Saddam was a good thing or not. This was the question:

Does world opinion favor the US invasion of Iraq?
And the answer to that is a clear hell no. Huge difference between favour the invasion and agreeing that getting rid of Saddam was good.

It was proven their waas a link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda.(Just no link between them and 9/11 or any other terrorist activities thus far.)
No more than a link between the US government and al Qaeda.

Keep grasping.

Read Voro's reasonable response please. If you can step away from your narrow mind for one fuckign minute you will be able to understand my point.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » July 28, 2004, 5:50 pm

heh seeing read now? Unusual typos even for an idiot like you.

I read it, and I'll call anyone who defines what has been found "WMDs" when you know the talk about it in advance an idiot. Of course, Voro only touched on the WMD question part so you ignored the rest as was expected when you can't come up with anything to say. I would also LOVE to see you trying to work out the "world opinion favours US invasion" part which you so nicely sidestepped.

Now go look in the mirror, make your "fighting face" and scream "fuck muslims!" as loud as you can. I am sure it will make you feel better.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 28, 2004, 10:44 pm

Kelshara wrote:heh seeing read now? Unusual typos even for an idiot like you.

I read it, and I'll call anyone who defines what has been found "WMDs" when you know the talk about it in advance an idiot. Of course, Voro only touched on the WMD question part so you ignored the rest as was expected when you can't come up with anything to say. I would also LOVE to see you trying to work out the "world opinion favours US invasion" part which you so nicely sidestepped.

Now go look in the mirror, make your "fighting face" and scream "fuck muslims!" as loud as you can. I am sure it will make you feel better.

Your such a simpleton. I really pity the pity close to you for having to live with someone with so much hate and rage.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 28, 2004, 11:00 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Kelshara wrote:heh seeing read now? Unusual typos even for an idiot like you.

I read it, and I'll call anyone who defines what has been found "WMDs" when you know the talk about it in advance an idiot. Of course, Voro only touched on the WMD question part so you ignored the rest as was expected when you can't come up with anything to say. I would also LOVE to see you trying to work out the "world opinion favours US invasion" part which you so nicely sidestepped.

Now go look in the mirror, make your "fighting face" and scream "fuck muslims!" as loud as you can. I am sure it will make you feel better.
Your such a simpleton. I really pity the pity close to you for having to live with someone with so much hate and rage.

Your calling someone else a simpleton?
You believe 2 or 3 old gas shells are WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION CAPABLE OF THREATENING AMERICAN LIVES AND CAUSING A DEVISTATING ATTACK ON THE MANLAND that will kill more then 900 american lives (becouse thats how many we have lost in iraq)

You have lost ALL credibility on calling someone else hateful until you apologize for your "fuck muslims" comment, but like several conservatives, (Exe:pres Bush) you lack the balls to admit you have made a mistake

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » July 29, 2004, 10:17 am

Yes I am the simpleton who can't put a thought together to answer simple questions Midnyte.

VeeshanVault

Fox news! (sorry i have to see this)

Is fox news unbiased?