5 Reasons John Kerry won't win the Democratic Nomination

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 27, 2004, 12:17 pm

I just thought we'd all get a good laugh remembering this one.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » July 27, 2004, 12:26 pm

Dregor Thule wrote:I just thought we'd all get a good laugh remembering this one.

Yeah it was real far off!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5524805/

"Voters want more specifics from Kerry
Poll shows Democratic candidate losing ground to Bush"

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » July 27, 2004, 12:50 pm

The Food for Oil corruption scandal seems to be forgotten. Interestingly enough, Paul Bremer is being blamed for "hampering the investigation".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... wstop.html

Of course Abu Ghraib was all over the news. Good strategy by the NYT and LAT... drown out the story you don't want heard with something more friendly to your cause.

So I would say Gagliardi got this one wrong by a mile. I don't think he was so far off on the other 4 however.

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » July 27, 2004, 6:27 pm

Voro you disappoint me with your right wing conspiracy theories, you're better than that. I think between the two extremes it's safe to say the truth is in the middle. And these crazy allegations (on both sides) are by nature not believable.

kyoukan wrote:yeah I'll whip out my kyoukan to stupid fucking idiot dictionary and help you out here.

made this thread well worth looking at!

Avestan · Post by **Avestan** » July 27, 2004, 7:50 pm

That article was not too far off. There was an assload of corruption in the oil for food program (not that you hear too much about it).

He was also dead on with Jobs. The argument that "Well. . .ok. . .we are getting jobs. . .but they are not the jobs we want!!!" is just silly. Stop grasping at straws.

Kerry hammered job lost relentlessly 4 months ago and now that is a non-issue. Over 1 million new jobs in the last 4 months and July is looking like it could be the strongest month yet based on the consumer confidence numbers released today.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » July 27, 2004, 8:12 pm

Avestan wrote:He was also dead on with Jobs. The argument that "Well. . .ok. . .we are getting jobs. . .but they are not the jobs we want!!!" is just silly. Stop grasping at straws.

Kerry hammered job lost relentlessly 4 months ago and now that is a non-issue. Over 1 million new jobs in the last 4 months and July is looking like it could be the strongest month yet based on the consumer confidence numbers released today.

Quality of U.S. jobs declining during recovery: CIBC

Last Updated Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:16:38
TORONTO - High quality jobs in the U.S. have been replaced in the past three years by lower-paying, less stable employment, according to a report released on Monday by CIBC World Markets.

The report said since the economic expansion got underway in the U.S. in late 2001, the number of jobs in high-paying industries fell by more than 2 per cent while the number of jobs in low-paying industries rose by 1.2 per cent.

During the same time, the number of part-timers rose by more than 5 per cent and the number of self-employed Americans was also up by nearly 5 per cent, while regular full-time employment grew by just 1.7 per cent.

"Given that swap of good for bad jobs and the current employment distribution, it will take 20 per cent more jobs than in the last extension to generate the same salary gain," said CIBC World Markets' senior economist Benjamin Tal, the report's author.

The institution said its U.S. Employment Quality Index, established by examining the key factors of job stability, relative compensation and part-time vs. full-time employment, has fallen 8 points since 2001.

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/06/21/bu ... obs_040621

Kerry isn't just blowing smoke.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 27, 2004, 8:13 pm

Avestan wrote:He was also dead on with Jobs. The argument that "Well. . .ok. . .we are getting jobs. . .but they are not the jobs we want!!!" is just silly. Stop grasping at straws.

Kerry hammered job lost relentlessly 4 months ago and now that is a non-issue. Over 1 million new jobs in the last 4 months and July is looking like it could be the strongest month yet based on the consumer confidence numbers released today.

Silly? Exporting the good jobs and creating mediocre jobs is ok with you? Why not just roll over and play dead while you're at it.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 27, 2004, 8:26 pm

Dregor Thule wrote:Silly? Exporting the good jobs and creating mediocre jobs is ok with you? Why not just roll over and play dead while you're at it.

Outsourcing is good for an economy! Chmee will be along shortly to prove it to you.

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » July 27, 2004, 10:03 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Dregor Thule wrote:Silly? Exporting the good jobs and creating mediocre jobs is ok with you? Why not just roll over and play dead while you're at it.
Outsourcing is good for an economy! Chmee will be along shortly to prove it to you.

Outsourcing is trade, which is good for the economy!

Avestan · Post by **Avestan** » July 27, 2004, 10:03 pm

The economy has to roll with the punches. The strength of the American economy has always been in the entraprenueric attitude its citizens have.

Yes, I am a huge proponent of allowing companies to ship jobs overseas. If it costs one fifth as much to hire programmers in India, go for it (yes, I am a programmer).

Our advantage will always be in superior education, and willingness to take risks (not to mention work ethic).

Of course high paying jobs were lost in the last three years. . .we were in a recession. . .one that is now over. The economy is growing faster than it has since the early 90's in the first half of this year.

It is grasping at straws to try to use the job issue as a negative against Bush when we have added over a million jobs in the last four months and there is no indication that number is going to slow.

This election will be won on the economy. If it continues to grow, Bush wins. If it stalls, Kerry wins.

Trying to say that the job growth in the beginning of this year is bad beause average wages have decreaces (no one in that article actually says this, they just say that jobs have been lost in high wage areas and gained in low cost areas).

Frankly, I see this trend as companies cutting the fat (good for them). The highest paid guys should be the first to go when a company is failing. That will reverse as the economy continues to grow. The first thing an intelligent company cuts when they need to slash costs is overhead. Overhead is management. Management account for high wages.

You have got to read between the lines and look at what has happened in the last 3 years.

I would bet a lot of money that the jobs in those "high paying areas" have increased in the last 4 months. From the VERY beginning this is what the Bush administration said would happen in response to tax cuts.

Go argue about abortion, stem cells, and Iraq. I actually agree with you guys a lot on those issues. Unfortunately, my vote goes with the economy 60%, foreign policy 20%, and domestic policy 20%. He who has the best economic plan wins as far as I am concerned. Kerry's economic positions scare the shit out of me so it is an easy decision.