Gore

[Pherr the Dorf]

Best speech of the night, where the hell was that guy 4 years ago when his cardboard twin was running for president. Yes these quotes are pure politics, but man, caustic wit, he was at his best

To the moderates and republicans

I sincerely ask those watching at home who supported President Bush four years ago, did you really get what you expected from the candidate you voted for? Has the promise of compassionate conservatism been fulfilled? Or do those words ring hollow now?

For that matter, are the economic policies really conservative at all? Did you expect, for example, the largest deficits in history? ... And the loss of a million jobs?

To the far left Nader folks

Do you still believe there was no difference between the candidates?
Are you troubled by the erosion of some of America's most basic civil liberties?

Are you worried that our environmental laws are being weakened and dismantled to allow vast increases in pollution that are contributing to a global climate crisis?

Himself

I don't lie awake at night counting and recounting sheep

I was the first one laid off, and while it's true that new jobs are being created, they're just not as good as the jobs people have lost. And incidentally, that's been true for me, too

But you know the old saying: You win some, you lose some. And then there's that little-known third category.

I prefer to focus on the future because I know from my own experience that America is a land of opportunity, where every little boy and girl has a chance to grow up and win the popular vote

All in all, it was an inspired speech for a politician, he had the chance to set the tone for the prime time coverage on the convention, and amazingly he stepped up and hit the long ball politically speaking. (mind you we are speaking of politicians and their ability to twist the truth, it was a political speech, I am speaking of the wit, the message to specific sectors of the population and actual passion that was present, this is Al Gore we are speaking of)

[kyoukan]

SUPPORT THE TROOPS, HIPPY

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

I guess it's all in your perception, on whether you think these comments were great or not. To me, they sound like the same statements.

[Thess]

I'm just impressed Gore called him the president - since Gore actually won the election.

[Pherr the Dorf]

I guess it's all in your perception, on whether you think these comments were great or not. To me, they sound like the same statements.

You didn't listen to it did you? Words are words, a speech is not just a set of words, it's something you either pour yourself into and pull off well, something you do ok at or something you blow chunks at, tonight Gore was a different man, the speech was brilliant.

[Hesten]

You didn't listen to it did you? Words are words, a speech is not just a set of words, it's something you either pour yourself into and pull off well, something you do ok at or something you blow chunks at, tonight Gore was a different man, the speech was brilliant.

That was a stupid question Pherr, its Midnyte were talking about, he dont listen

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

You didn't listen to it did you? Words are words, a speech is not just a set of words, it's something you either pour yourself into and pull off well, something you do ok at or something you blow chunks at, tonight Gore was a different man, the speech was brilliant.

That was a stupid question Pherr, its Midnyte were talking about, he dont listen

This is why it is impossible to hold an intelligent conversation here. ou already have it all figured out.

[Wonko Wenusberg]

Just pure logic fetched from absolut fact by observing your posts, Sir.

[Xzion]

You didn't listen to it did you? Words are words, a speech is not just a set of words, it's something you either pour yourself into and pull off well, something you do ok at or something you blow chunks at, tonight Gore was a different man, the speech was brilliant.

That was a stupid question Pherr, its Midnyte were talking about, he dont listen

This is why it is impossible to hold an intelligent conversation here. ou already have it all figured out.

I personally find it harder to hold an intellegent conversation with someone that says "fuck muslims"

[Kluden]

I watched as much as I could of the convention, and the pre-convention ceremonies. I thought it was very entertaining. I also think that Terry needs to get off the crac, and also make sure that Al isn't stealing any....

Scary that the use of drugs was the way to "energize" the party!!! They should of had Howard Dean's scream on the speakers everytime someone said "energize"!!!! Waaaarryayyyay!!!

[Cartalas]

I'm just impressed Gore called him the president - since Gore actually won the election.

Who won the election?

[Metanis]

I don't get it.

Why SHOULDN'T Gore's speech be a good one?

He's had 4 freakin years to prepare it!



/wave Pherr

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

I personally find it harder to hold an intellegent conversation with someone that says "fuck muslims"

/shrug

I personally find it harder to hold an intelligent conversation with someone that hears one thing he/she doesn't like and then discards everything.

[Canelek]

Who gives a shit about Gore? He is only the posterboy for the Tipper & Lieberman censorship brigade... may as well bring up Mondale as well.

[Winnow]

I actually watched Hillary and Bill speak last night. Hillary made no eye contact! I could tell she was looking over the heads of the entire convention!

Bill Clinton's speech was basically this:

"I am an ass. I am rich. I dodged Vietnam just like the current president. I am jealous of John Edwards' charisma as that was my scam." (translation: you were fucking tools for voting for me)

His strategy was to make himself look like a tool in order to make Kerry look good for going to Vietnam and then try to impress everyone with his wealth but all he did was talk about taxes and not about what he's done with his wealth to help in order to make up for the tax breaks. Nice work there ex pres.

His hair looked good though!

[Marbus]

Once again Winnow missed the point of the speach... Sure you could summarize the speech that way but it would be wrong

Marb

[Bubba Grizz]

I personally laughed when he said, "Believe me when I say this, Every Vote Counts. I should know". well maybe not a direct quote but it made me laugh.

[Niffoni]

I tuned in because I heard that professional wrestlers from the "Smackdown Your Vote!" campaign would be present. Imagine my disappointment when not a single one of them took it upon themselves to piledrive Tipper and start the fued of the decade with a vengeful Al Gore!

Yeah, if Gore had that kind of fire under his ass four years ago, things could be very differet... but more than likely they'd still suck.

[Aslanna]

That was a stupid question Pherr, its Midnyte were talking about, he dont listen

This is why it is impossible to hold an intelligent conversation here. ou already have it all figured out.

I personally find it harder to hold an intellegent conversation with someone that says "fuck muslims"

Indeed. It takes two intelligent people to have a conversation. As long as Midnyte is involved in that equation you're out of luck!

[Xzion]

I personally find it harder to hold an intellegent conversation with someone that says "fuck muslims"

/shrug

I personally find it harder to hold an intelligent conversation with someone that hears one thing he/she doesn't like and then discards everything.

Your right, i tend to discard all opinions of a racist white trash bigot who honestly feels such hatred against an ethnic group as a whole to say "fuck muslims"

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

I personally find it harder to hold an intellegent conversation with someone that says "fuck muslims"

/shrug

I personally find it harder to hold an intelligent conversation with someone that hears one thing he/she doesn't like and then discards everything.

Your right, i tend to discard all opinions of a racist white trash bigot who honestly feels such hatred against an ethnic group as a whole to say "fuck muslims"

That's your opinion, yes. I still lsiten to your opinion dispite you calling me racist, white trash, and bigoted. But, I guess I'm a better person than you are. Weird though since I'm a conservative and all. ROFL {DX hand gesture}

[Lalanae]

I personally find it harder to hold an intellegent conversation with someone that says "fuck muslims"

/shrug

I personally find it harder to hold an intelligent conversation with someone that hears one thing he/she doesn't like and then discards everything.

Your right, i tend to discard all opinions of a racist white trash bigot who honestly feels such hatred against an ethnic group as a whole to say "fuck muslims"

That's your opinion, yes. I still lsiten to your opinion dispite you calling me racist, white trash, and bigoted. But, I guess I'm a better person than you are. Weird though since I'm a conservative and all. ROFL {DX hand gesture}

The difference between him and you is he identified you, an individual, as a racist based on blatant evidence on this board. You use stereotyping and generalizations not based on any sort of factual evidence or reason. His name-calling is backed up by reasonable evidence. Your comment "fuck Muslims" is not backed up by anything other than your ethnocentric ignorance and blind hate for people you don't even know.

No, you are NOT a better person. You are in fact the most vile creature to ever post on this board.

Do you teach your little girls to say "Fuck Muslims?"

[Sylvus]

You should also note that we don't dislike you because you are a conservative, we dislike you because you're a douchebag. You seem to throw that around a lot "oh you lefties are just doing that because i'm conservative" when in reality your being conservative has about as much bearing on everyone's view of you as your being left- or right-handed does.

[Lalanae]

You should also note that we don't dislike you because you are a conservative, we dislike you because you're a douchebag. You seem to throw that around a lot "oh you lefties are just doing that because i'm conservative" when in reality your being conservative has about as much bearing on everyone's view of you as your being left- or right-handed does.

One should also note that even his fellow righties are hesitant to back him up.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

You should also note that we don't dislike you because you are a conservative, we dislike you because you're a douchebag. You seem to throw that around a lot "oh you lefties are just doing that because i'm conservative" when in reality your being conservative has about as much bearing on everyone's view of you as your being left- or right-handed does.

One should also note that even his fellow righties are hesitant to back him up.

One should note, I lost the PR war around here a long time ago. Most people are sold on me. I have posted the truth numerous times, but you "lefties" being the liberal sob's you are, only hear what you want. Contrary evidence makes your nervous system shut down. But, if your simple minds need to view my differing personality as bigoted, racist, what have you...I will gladly oblige and throw you a FUCK MUSLIMS, here and then.

Lali, I know you hate me for me, not because I am a "conservative".

Also, I don't hate any of you no matter how rude you have been to me.

[Jice Virago]

Why should people give consideration to a unabashed racist, homophobic, pig headed, MBA aspirant, pizza deliveryman? If people want Bill O'Riely and Matt Drudge quoted verbatum, they can go to the source. Metanis, at the very least, comes with a well constructed (wether right or wrong) argument to back his position. Adex has his (albiet) narrow viewpoint and convictions, but he never resorts to sweeping generalizations or hate to get his point across. You have managed the unthinkable. You have sunk below Cartalas in close minded bigotry and radical right dogma. Here is a clue for you: When Cartalas is your only ally, its not because the entire rest of the board is far left; its because you are so far right it makes even the centralists seem left by comparison.

[Cartalas]

Why should people give consideration to a unabashed racist, homophobic, pig headed, MBA aspirant, pizza deliveryman? If people want Bill O'Riely and Matt Drudge quoted verbatum, they can go to the source. Metanis, at the very least, comes with a well constructed (wether right or wrong) argument to back his position. Adex has his (albiet) narrow viewpoint and convictions, but he never resorts to sweeping generalizations or hate to get his point across. You have managed the unthinkable. You have sunk below Cartalas in close minded bigotry and radical right dogma. Here is a clue for you: When Cartalas is your only ally, its not because the entire rest of the board is far left; its because you are so far right it makes even the centralists seem left by comparison.

Hey Jice!! Blow Me!

[Pherr the Dorf]

I personally find it harder to hold an intellegent conversation with someone that says "fuck muslims"

/shrug

I personally find it harder to hold an intelligent conversation with someone that hears one thing he/she doesn't like and then discards everything.

You didn't listen to it did you? Words are words, a speech is not just a set of words, it's something you either pour yourself into and pull off well, something you do ok at or something you blow chunks at, tonight Gore was a different man, the speech was brilliant.

That was a stupid question Pherr, its Midnyte were talking about, he dont listen

This is why it is impossible to hold an intelligent conversation here. ou already have it all figured out.

So answer my question earlier, did you watch the speech before you posted, or no?

[Hesten]

Midnyte, im from Denmark, and therefore not either conservative or democrat and got no interest in influencing either part. I barely judge you by common sense. And you still are a smallminded bigot.

[Rekaar.]

Why should people give consideration to a unabashed racist, homophobic, pig headed, MBA aspirant, pizza deliveryman? If people want Bill O'Riely and Matt Drudge quoted verbatum, they can go to the source. Metanis, at the very least, comes with a well constructed (wether right or wrong) argument to back his position. Adex has his (albiet) narrow viewpoint and convictions, but he never resorts to sweeping generalizations or hate to get his point across. You have managed the unthinkable. You have sunk below Cartalas in close minded bigotry and radical right dogma. Here is a clue for you: When Cartalas is your only ally, its not because the entire rest of the board is far left; its because you are so far right it makes even the centralists seem left by comparison.

Take a good long look in the mirror before you make statements like that, spunky.

[Rekaar.]

And pherr, you're implying that the messsage is nothing next to the delivery. I didn't listen to the speech but tell me why what he said should have a different meaning to me than you because of that alone? It can inspire you perhaps. But the statements and claims are ubiquitous are they not?

So if the guy says it sounds like crap to me then why does whether he heard it or not invalidate his opinion? Just seems silly.

[Jice Virago]

Rekaar, you will never find anything even remotely similar to the statement "fuck muslims" being made by myself on this or any other site. Further, you will never find any flame or argument from me without accompanying arguments to back up my positions on things. Further, my views are nowhere near unilateral with any ideology or political ethos, which is something you could have easily determined just by examining my posts on topics just from the last month. The extend of your intellect, however, is to parrot fundie neocon rhetoric and make one line cliche soundbyte responses to posts, so I can understand if the whole concept of constructing an argument is foreign to you. Welcome to the right wing nutjob trinity; I am sure Cartalas can teach you the secret "firm as not to appear gay or liberal" club handshake.

[Kelshara]

erh you're an idiot if you don't think how a speech is delivered will influence people listening to it. In fact, in general I'd dare say it is more important than the actual content. The vast majority of voters don't know and don't care enough to know issues in detail, so a well-delivered speech can and will move peopel from one side to another.

[Pherr the Dorf]

And pherr, you're implying that the messsage is nothing next to the delivery. I didn't listen to the speech but tell me why what he said should have a different meaning to me than you because of that alone? It can inspire you perhaps. But the statements and claims are ubiquitous are they not?

So if the guy says it sounds like crap to me then why does whether he heard it or not invalidate his opinion? Just seems silly.

erh you're an idiot if you don't think how a speech is delivered will influence people listening to it. In fact, in general I'd dare say it is more important than the actual content. The vast majority of voters don't know and don't care enough to know issues in detail, so a well-delivered speech can and will move peopel from one side to another.

Well that's half the answer, the other half is that a great message with a horrible delivery will never be "heard", whereas a mediocre message with a great delivery will always be thought of as great. Reagan and Clinton BOTH lived this for 8 years, you have to see that right? A speech is only as powerful as it's delivery, without one you just sound like a sniviling idiot.

[Xzion]

I personally find it harder to hold an intellegent conversation with someone that says "fuck muslims"

/shrug

I personally find it harder to hold an intelligent conversation with someone that hears one thing he/she doesn't like and then discards everything.

Your right, i tend to discard all opinions of a racist white trash bigot who honestly feels such hatred against an ethnic group as a whole to say "fuck muslims"

That's your opinion, yes. I still lsiten to your opinion dispite you calling me racist, white trash, and bigoted. But, I guess I'm a better person than you are. Weird though since I'm a conservative and all. ROFL {DX hand gesture}

It’s really hard for you to make a case for your self being a better moral person then myself when you show hate towards an ethnic group that encompasses almost 25% of the world. But of course if you were to get into the hearts of conservatives in americas "heartland" you would find that more then half of them hold some racism and discrimination, weather towards gays, African Americans, or those of other, or no faiths

Spewing hate such as "fuck muslims" really defines your character. This is not just an insignificant quote or opinion such as "I hate cheese" or "fuck the Lakers"

[Siji]

Indeed. It takes two intelligent people to have a conversation. As long as Midnyte is involved in that equation you're out of luck!

Exactly. Midnyte is the only person that I've never met that I have a burning desire to just beat the living shit out of. No scratch that. But one good kick square in the nuts would suffice. He's not worth the pain in my nuckles to beat the shit out of.

[VariaVespasa]

Delivery is very important in making a great speech. As an obvious and somewhat extreme example (Sorry, but it IS by far the best example I can think of at the moment), which is better in getting the message across-

1. There's an old saying in Tennessee and Texas that says- fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

2. There's an old saying in Tennessee, I know its in Texas, probably in Tennessee, that says- fool me once....shame on....shame on you. Fool me, Cant get fooled again.

Same message, but one is a smooth delivery, and one isnt. Which do you think makes a better and more memorable positive impression?
Its absolutely unequivocally the first one. TTHAT'S the difference delivery makes.

*Hugs*
Varia

[Xzion]

Indeed. It takes two intelligent people to have a conversation. As long as Midnyte is involved in that equation you're out of luck!

Exactly. Midnyte is the only person that I've never met that I have a burning desire to just beat the living shit out of. No scratch that. But one good kick square in the nuts would suffice. He's not worth the pain in my nuckles to beat the shit out of.

Cmon, you wouldnt want to give O'Reilly a good ass whoppin?

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Indeed. It takes two intelligent people to have a conversation. As long as Midnyte is involved in that equation you're out of luck!

Exactly. Midnyte is the only person that I've never met that I have a burning desire to just beat the living shit out of. No scratch that. But one good kick square in the nuts would suffice. He's not worth the pain in my nuckles to beat the shit out of.

There's your hate right there.

"Fuck Muslims" is my freedom of speech expressingly my distaste for their actions(terrorism) and inactions(global denouncing and efforting to change the world view of muslims).

[archeiron]

Indeed. It takes two intelligent people to have a conversation. As long as Midnyte is involved in that equation you're out of luck!

Exactly. Midnyte is the only person that I've never met that I have a burning desire to just beat the living shit out of. No scratch that. But one good kick square in the nuts would suffice. He's not worth the pain in my nuckles to beat the shit out of.

There's your hate right there.

"Fuck Muslims" is my freedom of speech expressingly my distaste for their actions(terrorism) and inactions(global denouncing and efforting to change the world view of muslims).

Midnyte, I assume that you are aware that there are good and bad Muslim people just as there are good and bad Christian people. The acts of the fundamentalist minorities are often criticized by the more moderate Muslims. Considering that Islam continues to grow and may one day soon be the dominant religion on the planet, I would hope that you can revise your distaste to focus on the fundamentalists, rather than all the nice poor Muslims living in countries like India, Turkey, the US, etc that have nothing to do with terrorism. I hope that you aren't expecting those people to stop going about their daily lives to appear on television to just so that you can see that they don't like terrorism either, because I sure as hell don't see you on CNN denouncing terrorism so you are as "guilty" as they are.

[Cartalas]

Indeed. It takes two intelligent people to have a conversation. As long as Midnyte is involved in that equation you're out of luck!

Exactly. Midnyte is the only person that I've never met that I have a burning desire to just beat the living shit out of. No scratch that. But one good kick square in the nuts would suffice. He's not worth the pain in my nuckles to beat the shit out of.

Attention Attention!!!!!!
Tough guy on the internet!!

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Arch, I expect their leadership to have a campaign going to show they are all not like this. Maybe, they don't have a centralized leadership. /shrug

[miir]

Hating someone based on thier actions and words is justified.
Hating someone based on their religion is prejudice and racism.

Do you fail to see the difference?

"Fuck Muslims" is my freedom of speech expressingly my distaste for their actions(terrorism) and inactions(global denouncing and efforting to change the world view of muslims).

Your contries 'Freedom of Speech' does not grant you that freedom.


With attitudes like yours (and your president's), is it really any wonder much of the world shares a deep seeded hatred and animosity towards the USA?

[Rasspotari]

Indeed. It takes two intelligent people to have a conversation. As long as Midnyte is involved in that equation you're out of luck!

Exactly. Midnyte is the only person that I've never met that I have a burning desire to just beat the living shit out of. No scratch that. But one good kick square in the nuts would suffice. He's not worth the pain in my nuckles to beat the shit out of.

There's your hate right there.

"Fuck Muslims" is my freedom of speech expressingly my distaste for their actions(terrorism) and inactions(global denouncing and efforting to change the world view of muslims).

i see midnyte's point

i hate all christians, how they are polluting the earth with their cars and whatnot. christians are racist, remember 50 years ago, christians killed black people just because of the color of their skin, those christians shouldn't be allowed to live, i say fuck em all.

[archeiron]

Arch, I expect their leadership to have a campaign going to show they are all not like this. Maybe, they don't have a centralized leadership. /shrug

That is EXACTLY the point. There isn't a central leadership for all Muslims. I assume that when the Pope makes some comment on global politics, you don't consider him to be speaking for YOU and all of Christianity.

I believe that many Muslims wouldn't appreciate being told that they need to justify to you that they aren't terrorists, just as I am sure that the peaceful Christian Arab people wouldn't appreciate it either. I won't argue that you shouldn't hate terrorists, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water. You are grossly overgeneralizing.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

I'm not though Arch. I happen to know only a same percentage of Muslims are terrorsits. But, the world view of their religion is one of hatred and violence. I also happen to know America is the greatest country in all the land, but the world view sometimes differs from that. A little pro-muslim propaganda showing they detest these actions by the terrorists would be a good thing in my opinion.

Miir, my freedom of speech does give me that exact right. I can say whatever the fuck I want, I just have to be prepared to reep the consequences for the words. No different than Carlos Delgado refusing to go out on the field and stand for the national anthem before a baseball game at Yankee Stadium. He has that right, but he has to be prepared to suffer the consequences of people thinking he is an ungrateful piece of shit.

[miir]

But, the world view of their religion is one of hatred and violence.

Don't confuse your close-minded, bigoted, racist view with 'world' view.
You're a worthless redneck, white trash simpleton and you most definately do not speak for anything more than the microcosm of shitheads like you on this earth.

Miir, my freedom of speech does give me that exact right.

When your 'speech' is hate filled rhetoric, it is not protected.

No different than Carlos Delgado refusing to go out on the field and stand for the national anthem before a baseball game at Yankee Stadium. He has that right, but he has to be prepared to suffer the consequences of people thinking he is an ungrateful piece of shit.

What a terrible comparison.
Calos Delgado isn't even an American.

[Lynks]

Miir, my freedom of speech does give me that exact right. I can say whatever the fuck I want, I just have to be prepared to reep the consequences for the words. No different than Carlos Delgado refusing to go out on the field and stand for the national anthem before a baseball game at Yankee Stadium. He has that right, but he has to be prepared to suffer the consequences of people thinking he is an ungrateful piece of shit.

Some of you people use the 1st amendment phrase way too fucking much. You can't just throw that out there to justify everything. Your narrow-mindedness is scary.

[miir]

Gratz Midnyte owning himself.

[Cartalas]

"When your 'speech' is hate filled rhetoric, it is not protected. "


Yes it is ask the KKK,and Farakahn oh and the AFLCIO