Fox news! (sorry i have to see this)

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 24, 2004, 9:11 am

Is fox news fair and balanced? I want to proove a point in the wake of this "liberal media" outcry by pissed off neoconservatives redirecting there anger away from our countrys real problems (IE George Bush's admin)

Llaffer · Post by **Llaffer** » July 24, 2004, 9:19 am

Good poll idea.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 24, 2004, 10:26 am

Where's the none of the above option? I don't watch tv.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 24, 2004, 10:28 am

Fox sucks!

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » July 24, 2004, 10:43 am

FOX News is a news parody that is neither funny nor insightful, unlike The Daily Show. I'm curious how much the station will change if/when Kerry gets elected.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » July 24, 2004, 12:12 pm

Conservative, Fox is more biased than any other news show I watch. If Kerry gets elected, Fox's ratings will go up because of the comedy that will ensue. It will be a repeat of how Bill Clintons presidency caused Rush Limbaugh to blow up.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » July 24, 2004, 1:12 pm

Their straight news reporting is fair.

Their opinion work is biased right. (But that's ok)

Siji · Post by **Siji** » July 24, 2004, 1:51 pm

All news stations are biased.

Llaffer · Post by **Llaffer** » July 24, 2004, 1:57 pm

Siji wrote:All news stations are biased.

But they won't admit it.

Avestan · Post by **Avestan** » July 24, 2004, 2:47 pm

Yesh! Because a VV Poll is a scientifically accurate poll and should be considered above all else.

VV > Gallup!

please "prove" more points!

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 24, 2004, 2:57 pm

Because a Gallup poll would ever ask that question...
with that logic though all polls are useless

On a small scale, even on VV they can represent a diverse variety of peoples general views

Adex posts an article ever week bitching about the "liberal media"
while fox news is 10x more biased then any "liberal" news sources i have seen

My point is being proven though, conservatives and liberals alike agree Fox news is biased like a motherfucker

Post by **Xouqoa** » July 24, 2004, 3:32 pm

Fox is pretty righty.

CNN is slightly leftish.

MSNBC is... well, does anyone really watch that anyway?

imo fox news is just good for watching bill o'reilly to hear him tell people to shut up all the time, and then say he never does it.

Avestan · Post by **Avestan** » July 24, 2004, 5:04 pm

Xzion wrote:Because a Gallup poll would ever ask that question...
with that logic though all polls are useless

On a small scale, even on VV they can represent a diverse variety of peoples general views

Adex posts an article ever week bitching about the "liberal media"
while fox news is 10x more biased then any "liberal" news sources i have seen

My point is being proven though, conservatives and liberals alike agree Fox news is biased like a motherfucker

Nothing is proven because you have absolutely no proof that the people who said they are conservative really are. Look at the numbers. You know how many people on this board are liberal vs. conservative. How do those numbers make sense? They don't.

If I am liberal and I want the results to prove my point, I am going to vote that I am a conservative and I think they are baised. There is absolutely no validity to any VV polls. They are fun. . .but hardly accurate.

Mplor · Post by **Mplor** » July 24, 2004, 8:20 pm

The liberal conspiracy strikes again!

*wink* Tanras

Avestan · Post by **Avestan** » July 24, 2004, 8:57 pm

C-O-N-spiricy!

Truant · Post by **Truant** » July 24, 2004, 9:45 pm

Avestan wrote:
Xzion wrote:Because a Gallup poll would ever ask that question...
with that logic though all polls are useless

On a small scale, even on VV they can represent a diverse variety of peoples general views

Adex posts an article ever week bitching about the "liberal media"
while fox news is 10x more biased then any "liberal" news sources i have seen

My point is being proven though, conservatives and liberals alike agree Fox news is biased like a motherfucker
Nothing is proven because you have absolutely no proof that the people who said they are conservative really are. Look at the numbers. You know how many people on this board are liberal vs. conservative. How do those numbers make sense? They don't.

If I am liberal and I want the results to prove my point, I am going to vote that I am a conservative and I think they are baised. There is absolutely no validity to any VV polls. They are fun. . .but hardly accurate.

I don't think most of us feel the need to lie on polls. I have no idea what point you would be proving by lieing, other than the fact that your a dishonest prick who doesn't contribute shit to this board, but knocks down everyone else's threads.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » July 24, 2004, 11:56 pm

Xzion, what you need to separate are the opinion from the straight news reporting.

I expect my straight news reporting to be the facts, not someone's spin.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » July 25, 2004, 12:08 am

Adex_Xeda wrote:Xzion, what you need to separate are the opinion from the straight news reporting.

I expect my straight news reporting to be the facts, not someone's spin.

"Straight" news is always spun as well. Why do you think there are always 3 vicious dog attacks in a row on the news, it's some canine conspiracy?

Hell, even when the news reader announces she's going to show me "chilling new footage" of people they later tell me are the 9/11 hijackers (I'll take that much on faith..) passing through airport security, it's spin. I don't find it particularly chilling, hell.. I found it comforting that at least they went in the front door and didn't have people on the inside (unless it was the security guy)

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » July 25, 2004, 3:34 pm

You seem to be defining sentsationilist news reporting rather than political bias.

I dislike them both.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » July 25, 2004, 3:39 pm

I just watched Outfoxed last night, the documentary that explores Fox news. FAIR (Faireness and Accuracy in Reporting) did some studies and you can read about their results here.

Most interesting about this movie however is how biased news reporting affects viewers. This is where we should question the line between "free speech" and espousing misinformation for political gain (propaganda). They polled people who watched Fox News and other news sources and asked them a series of questions which were common misconceptions about the Iraq war. The results were pretty interesting:

Has the US found WMDs in Iraq?

Fox viewers who say yes: 33%
PBS-NPR viewers who say yes: 11%

Does world opinion favor the US invasion of Iraq?

Fox viewers who say yes: 35%
PBS-NPR viewers who say yes: 5%

Has the US found links between Iraq and Al-Quaeda?

Fox viewers who say yes: 67%
PBS-NPR viewers who say yes: 16%

The entire study can be found at the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) website. Other news sources didn't fare well either, but Fox has them all beat. PBS-NPR scored the lowest rate of misconception and bias in reporting.

The most interesting part of that study is a poll on page 20, where Bush supporters and Democratic nominee supporters are polled and their frequency of misperceptions are analyzed in relation to how closely the watch the news. Bush supporters have an INCREASE in misperceptions the CLOSER they watch the news. Democratic nominee supporters have a substantial DECREASE in misconceptions the closer they watch the news. VERY TELLING. Here is the data:

Average frequency of misperception among:

*Bush supporters who follow the news
Not closely at all 40%
Not very closely 43%
Somewhat closely 44%
Very closely 54%

*Democratic nominee supporters who follow the news
Not closely at all 22%
Not very closely 20%
Somewhat closely 16%
Very closely 11%

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 25, 2004, 5:35 pm

Has the US found WMDs in Iraq

1 in 3 Fox News viewers say yes according to that site....I guess i didnt even need a poll to help proove my point

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » July 25, 2004, 9:18 pm

The way the first question is worded leaves some room for "false" answers though. There was Sarin Gas found there in one shell. That could be seen as WMD being found in Iraq, but I am guessing the poll meant to ask if they had been found in bulk.

Mak · Post by **Mak** » July 26, 2004, 4:38 am

Another perspective:

http://www.mediaresearch.org/BozellColu ... 040721.asp

The Fox-Hater’s Upside-Down World

by L. Brent Bozell III
July 21, 2004

Is there anything funnier to watch than the Left suddenly discovering the virtues of journalistic objectivity? Liberals arrogantly have ruled the news media roost for decades, regularly demeaning conservative ideas and leaders in their ongoing quest for progress and enlightenment.

But now that Fox News Channel is on the scene, dominating the cable news scene and showing America that TV news can be something different than the suffocating consensus of the liberal establishment, the left is in a panic. Objectivity is needed! Democracy itself is in danger!

When Fox News debuted in 1996, liberals couldn’t contain their laughter at what they considered a sophomoric challenge to the dominant media. Then, Fox became a pest, the proverbial gnat that wouldn’t go away. Ultimately – almost overnight – Fox overtook its cable competitors and became king of the hill. Fox became a menace on the media landscape that should have been aborted before birth, a blatantly biased and bullying blight on America.

That’s the sour theme behind “Outfoxed,” a new Michael Mooresque documentary funded and circulated by the radical lefties at MoveOn.org and the so-called Center for American Progress. A summary of its thesis comes very near the film’s end when John Nichols of The Nation proclaims that Fox must be stopped because it “limits” and “narrows political discourse.”

Welcome to the Fox-hater’s upside-down world: decades of liberal TV news unanimity represented diversity, and a conservative alternative is the arrival of a narrowed spectrum of opinion? The advent of a network that doesn’t treat conservatism like an infectious disease is a danger to democracy?

Fox’s popularity is a result of a public that feels the other networks have been playing with dirty tricks and double standards in political journalism for decades, and see the “fair and balanced” product delivered by Brit Hume and Co. as real news instead. The leftist theorists interviewed in this film hate that “fair and balanced” motto, not just because they believe Fox doesn’t live up to the pledge, but because they don’t believe in it. They think conservative dissent is a clear and present danger to the socialist "paradise" they want to inflict on society.

The film’s subtitle is “Rupert Murdoch’s War on Journalism.” Here we go again. Liberals said the same thing about philanthropist and newspaper publisher Dick Scaife, who somehow waged “war on journalism” by trying to fund journalistic investigations of the Clinton scandals. Where were they when Ted Turner was at the helm of CNN portraying the Soviet Union in comically glowing terms? What about Pinch Sulzberger’s Masters-bashing antics at the New York Times? That list goes on and on, seemingly unnoticed, but when one perceived conservative takes the reins of a media outlet, the horror!

It doesn’t help matters that Robert Greenwald, the creator of “Outfoxed,” is a very sloppy amateur at the science of media analysis. Actually, it’s worse than that. This film is so dishonest that it leads one to conclude that liberals attacking Fox just can’t get the job done honestly. Fox must be picked apart as if everything it does has never been done a million times over by the liberal competition.

For example, Greenwald uncovers memos from Fox vice president John Moody telling Fox reporters how they should approach the events of the day – as if Peter Jennings or other network brass haven’t been doing the very same thing for decades. Former ABC reporters Bob Zelnick and Peter Collins could make a nice film about that.

Greenwald also thinks it’s outrageous that Fox anchors use the formulation “some people say” to ask liberals about their critics. That complaint might have merit – if Greenwald would also consider that this device is used by every other single news network as a way of questioning politicians.

A classic example of the film’s inanity is an incredibly silly attack on Bill O’Reilly because he said he almost never said “shut up” to guests. Greenwald goes about disproving this trite little point, but after finding an example or two, he ruins it all by gratuitously adding clips where O’Reilly used the words “shut up” in commentaries, or in questions where he wasn’t telling a guest to shut up, but asking the guest if someone else should shut up. Now he’s not making a point. He’s un-making it.

And do we really need to point out that O’Reilly isn’t a reporter, and therefore has nothing to do with the news product of Fox?

The liberal media elite’s double standard in journalism extends to this shoddy film, which they’ve promoted as another noteworthy brick in the wall of anti-Bush anger. If conservatives ever tried to make a documentary about the liberal media this amateurish, it would either never be mentioned, or it would be pounded until it was flat as a pancake, and deservedly so.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » July 26, 2004, 10:56 am

A Moveon.org documentary.

HAHAHAHA

Post by **Sylvus** » July 26, 2004, 11:51 am

I think the thing about Fox News that chaps my ass is that they actually use the term "fair and balanced" regarding some of their shows. It's not fucking fair and balanced. I'm not trying to say that any other news program is more fair and/or balanced than anything on Fox News, but they don't have a slogan that says that they are.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » July 26, 2004, 12:23 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:A Moveon.org documentary.

HAHAHAHA

The studies were not done by moveon.org but by unbiased third parties, but if you had actually read my post, you would have known that.

Gonna repost this even those it's not a Fox news issue, but a conservative news issue. But most conservatives have a problem with facts, so I'm sure this will be ignored again. If conservative journalism is perpetuating misconceptions (i.e. untruths), the proof is here:

Average frequency of misperception among:

*Bush supporters who follow the news
Not closely at all 40%
Not very closely 43%
Somewhat closely 44%
Very closely 54%

*Democratic nominee supporters who follow the news
Not closely at all 22%
Not very closely 20%
Somewhat closely 16%
Very closely 11%

Avestan · Post by **Avestan** » July 26, 2004, 12:45 pm

Well the first site you posted has this on it:

"NEW: "Don't Trust the Corporate Media" t-shirts are available"

count me in.

If you want anyone to take you seriously, please use major news sources. . .not someone affiliated with moveon.org.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » July 26, 2004, 12:54 pm

Avestan wrote:Well the first site you posted has this on it:

"NEW: "Don't Trust the Corporate Media" t-shirts are available"

count me in.

If you want anyone to take you seriously, please use major news sources. . .not someone affiliated with moveon.org.

OK dumbass, lemme speak slowly for you.

FAIR is a media watch group. They are not a "news source." They analyze fairness and accuracy in reporting. They are not affiliated with MoveOn.org except that their data was used in the film.

THE STATISTICS were aqured from PIPA (The Program on International Policy Attitudes) completely unrelated to any political angle, but you didn't look at the website, so you wouldn't know that either.

Typical conservative, sticking his fingers in his ears and going "lalalalala" instead of addressing the facts.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » July 26, 2004, 1:08 pm

What facts? That Fox is a conservative shill and that a lot of Bush supporters are toothless rednecks? HOLY SHIT YOU'RE REALLY EXPOSING TEH HIDDEN INFOZ!!!

Have those assholes at moveon.org make a poll to find out what constitutes sex and adultery. I bet you'd see the same amount of "misperceptions" from the liberal newswatchers on that issue.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » July 26, 2004, 1:24 pm

masteen wrote:What facts? That Fox is a conservative shill and that a lot of Bush supporters are toothless rednecks? HOLY SHIT YOU'RE REALLY EXPOSING TEH HIDDEN INFOZ!!!

Have those assholes at moveon.org make a poll to find out what constitutes sex and adultery. I bet you'd see the same amount of "misperceptions" from the liberal newswatchers on that issue.

Apparently, I need to speaker s l o w e r for you.

You have a problem following conversation as usual. The facts I refer to are the poll statitics I posted above. Try out your mouse scroll wheel and take a look.

MoveOn.org did not make any polls. PIPA did. PIPA is an organization that collects statitical infomartion used by "major news sources" such as CNN. They are not affiliated with ANY political organization.

You apparently have the same problem as Avestan with associated PIPA with MoveOn.org simply because MoveOn used their data. PIPA did not collect the data for MoveOn.

Here is there "about us" statement since you are too lazy to look yourself.

The Program on International Policy Attitudes is a joint program of the Center on Policy Attitudes and the Center for International and Security Studies at Maryland, School of Public Affairs, University of Maryland.

The Center on Policy Attitudes (COPA) is a group of social science researchers that was established in 1992. Its purpose is to give the public a greater voice in the public policy process by seeking to discern public opinion on public policy and to communicate its findings to the policy community, academia and the press. It does this by:

* Conducting nationwide polls, focus groups and interviews
* Integrating its findings together with those from other organizations into a coherent analysis of majority opinion
* Actively communicating its findings

Why don't you pull your head out of the sand and look at the 20+ page synopsis of the poll? Those are the facts.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » July 26, 2004, 1:45 pm

My point, which your superior reading comprehension skillz missed, is that asking certain questions to certain groups inherantly produces a biased results. It's not shocking that Fox's demographic is biased.

I assert you that if you ask about the Clinton/Lewinsky thing, the liberals would show a "misperception" about wether or not Bill got the knob polished or not.

People believe what they want to believe. This is not something that started with Fox News, or even TV.

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » July 26, 2004, 1:53 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:A Moveon.org documentary.

HAHAHAHA

If Moveon had done the research for that movie, I'd honestly start to wonder if maybe FOX news really IS a relatively accurate source of info, even when my own personal exposure to it proves otherwise. THAT'S how useless Moveon.org's "information" is.

Thankfully, they got their statistics from credible places. How they'll spin it remains to be seen (by me).

Watching a documentary, fully realized by Moveon.org alone, about FOX news would be like watching two retards slap-fight for an hour and a half. The higher-ups of both of those cults need to be boiled in oil.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » July 26, 2004, 1:59 pm

masteen wrote:My point, which your superior reading comprehension skillz missed, is that asking certain questions to certain groups inherantly produces a biased results. It's not shocking that Fox's demographic is biased.

And if you had READ my post you would have read that it wasnt just Fox. You can CLEARLY see that by looking at the poll data which was linked on the PIPA front page. Direct link to the pdf.

Here, let me help you (quotes from my post):

They polled people who watched Fox News and other news sources

Other news sources didn't fare well either, but Fox has them all beat. PBS-NPR scored the lowest rate of misconception and bias in reporting.

The last bit of data I posted was NOT Fox-only. It was cumulative, i.e. everyone polled.

One other thing: the poll was NOT about "bias" but about MISCONCEPTIONS (i.e. things that are not true)

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 26, 2004, 2:06 pm

This conservative bashing has got to stop!

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 26, 2004, 2:57 pm

masteen wrote:My point, which your superior reading comprehension skillz missed, is that asking certain questions to certain groups inherantly produces a biased results. It's not shocking that Fox's demographic is biased.

I assert you that if you ask about the Clinton/Lewinsky thing, the liberals would show a "misperception" about wether or not Bill got the knob polished or not.

People believe what they want to believe. This is not something that started with Fox News, or even TV.

Knowing weather Clinton got his "knob polished" is no where near as important as knowing Bush lied about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction...of course to conservatives 900 dead americans are not as important as a blowjob

And trust me, it wouldnt be anywhere NEAR 33%...

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 26, 2004, 2:59 pm

Has the US found WMDs in Iraq?

Fox viewers who say yes: 33%
I wanted to point that out again

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 26, 2004, 3:18 pm

What did the tennis pro say to Masteen?

Sir, you have been served!

Llaffer · Post by **Llaffer** » July 26, 2004, 3:27 pm

Sylvus wrote:I think the thing about Fox News that chaps my ass is that they actually use the term "fair and balanced" regarding some of their shows. It's not fucking fair and balanced. I'm not trying to say that any other news program is more fair and/or balanced than anything on Fox News, but they don't have a slogan that says that they are.

May not be 100% fair and balanced, but at least they air the news stories that the liberal-focused network media won't touch, since it might have a chance of making Kerry look bad. /gasp

During the week coverage of the Reagan Burial, One of the national anchors was upset at all of the Reagan coverage and wanted to get back to War news (read under his breath as "This isn't making Bush look bad, we want to get back to that").

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 26, 2004, 3:32 pm

Llaffer wrote:
Sylvus wrote:I think the thing about Fox News that chaps my ass is that they actually use the term "fair and balanced" regarding some of their shows. It's not fucking fair and balanced. I'm not trying to say that any other news program is more fair and/or balanced than anything on Fox News, but they don't have a slogan that says that they are.
May not be 100% fair and balanced, but at least they air the news stories that the liberal-focused network media won't touch, since it might have a chance of making Kerry look bad. /gasp

During the week coverage of the Reagan Burial, One of the national anchors was upset at all of the Reagan coverage and wanted to get back to War news (read under his breath as "This isn't making Bush look bad, we want to get back to that").

Right, because the war is less important than Reagan dying. Oh sorry, the war ended months ago, my bad dude.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 26, 2004, 3:57 pm

Llaffer wrote:
Sylvus wrote:I think the thing about Fox News that chaps my ass is that they actually use the term "fair and balanced" regarding some of their shows. It's not fucking fair and balanced. I'm not trying to say that any other news program is more fair and/or balanced than anything on Fox News, but they don't have a slogan that says that they are.
May not be 100% fair and balanced, but at least they air the news stories that the liberal-focused network media won't touch, since it might have a chance of making Kerry look bad. /gasp

During the week coverage of the Reagan Burial, One of the national anchors was upset at all of the Reagan coverage and wanted to get back to War news (read under his breath as "This isn't making Bush look bad, we want to get back to that").

Are you a fucking idiot? After two days everyone knew Ronald Regan was dead, that wasnt "news" anymore. The war in Iraq is News, and if it makes Bush look bad thats his own fault

And it does make Bush look bad when Ronald Regan's son speaks at the democratic national convention while publicly supporting Kerry, and publicly calling Bush one of the worst presidents in american history

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » July 26, 2004, 4:11 pm

I can't answer because I don't know if I am a moderate, liberal, or conservitive. Anyone mind making a dumbed down explaination of each with examples?

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 26, 2004, 4:13 pm

Well, I think in terms of your best interests, you'd probably be Moderate or Liberal. Conservative leads to the path of cencorship.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » July 26, 2004, 4:38 pm

Lalanae wrote:
masteen wrote:My point, which your superior reading comprehension skillz missed, is that asking certain questions to certain groups inherantly produces a biased results. It's not shocking that Fox's demographic is biased.
And if you had READ my post you would have read that it wasnt just Fox. You can CLEARLY see that by looking at the poll data which was linked on the PIPA front page. Direct link to the pdf.

Here, let me help you (quotes from my post):

They polled people who watched Fox News and other news sources

Other news sources didn't fare well either, but Fox has them all beat. PBS-NPR scored the lowest rate of misconception and bias in reporting.

The last bit of data I posted was NOT Fox-only. It was cumulative, i.e. everyone polled.

One other thing: the poll was NOT about "bias" but about MISCONCEPTIONS (i.e. things that are not true)

My first post was expressing my shock that my fellow Americans, many of whom finished 8th grade, might have MISCONCEPTIONS about what is really happening out there.

Secondly, I'm not trying to say that the Clinton BJ thing is anywhere near as important as the war, but it would illustrate the point that people are inherantly biased.

You ask a neocon about WMD and al Qaeda, and Saddam was down with both. You ask a liberal about the Clinton scandal, and his penis never left his pants, and the come stains on her dress were planted there by CIA operatives. Trying to attribute this bias to which news station they watch is pointless, because their bias steers them to the news channel that caters to that bias.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 26, 2004, 4:41 pm

masteen wrote:
Lalanae wrote:
masteen wrote:My point, which your superior reading comprehension skillz missed, is that asking certain questions to certain groups inherantly produces a biased results. It's not shocking that Fox's demographic is biased.
And if you had READ my post you would have read that it wasnt just Fox. You can CLEARLY see that by looking at the poll data which was linked on the PIPA front page. Direct link to the pdf.

Here, let me help you (quotes from my post):

They polled people who watched Fox News and other news sources

Other news sources didn't fare well either, but Fox has them all beat. PBS-NPR scored the lowest rate of misconception and bias in reporting.

The last bit of data I posted was NOT Fox-only. It was cumulative, i.e. everyone polled.

One other thing: the poll was NOT about "bias" but about MISCONCEPTIONS (i.e. things that are not true)
My first post was expressing my shock that my fellow Americans, many of whom finished 8th grade, might have MISCONCEPTIONS about what is really happening out there.

Secondly, I'm not trying to say that the Clinton BJ thing is anywhere near as important as the war, but it would illustrate the point that people are inherantly biased.

You ask a neocon about WMD and al Qaeda, and Saddam was down with both. You ask a liberal about the Clinton scandal, and his penis never left his pants, and the come stains on her dress were planted there by CIA operatives. Trying to attribute this bias to which news station they watch is pointless, because their bias steers them to the news channel that caters to that bias.

I think the response you'll get from most Liberals would really be A) who really gives a shit, and B) he so got his knob polished, good for him!

Granted, that's not all Liberals!

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » July 26, 2004, 4:43 pm

masteen wrote:You ask a liberal about the Clinton scandal, and his penis never left his pants, and the come stains on her dress were planted there by CIA operatives.

Really? I don't know a single person that denies what he did.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 26, 2004, 4:47 pm

Lynks wrote:
masteen wrote:You ask a liberal about the Clinton scandal, and his penis never left his pants, and the come stains on her dress were planted there by CIA operatives.
Really? I don't know a single person that denies what he did.

Maybe he got his information from Fox.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » July 26, 2004, 4:48 pm

Dregor Thule wrote:
Lynks wrote:
masteen wrote:You ask a liberal about the Clinton scandal, and his penis never left his pants, and the come stains on her dress were planted there by CIA operatives.
Really? I don't know a single person that denies what he did.
Maybe he got his information from Fox.

Ohh, that explains it. Thanks.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » July 26, 2004, 5:13 pm

Yes, you say that now, but back then nobody would just come out and say it. I would have tremendous respect for Clinton if he just would have taken to podium and said "I was on her like Dregor on a Spam sandwich." But he didn't, and we ended up with a multi-million dollar investigation of the meaning of the words "is" and what exactly constitutes "sex."

I actually had a coworker tell me, in all seriousness, that the CIA planted the semen on Monica's dress. It's still run by Bush Sr., don't ya know?

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » July 26, 2004, 5:16 pm

I don't know of anyone who thinks Clinton didn't engage in some kind of sexual activity with Monica.

Most people think it was the biggest waste of time and money that it even became an issue in the first place.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 26, 2004, 5:51 pm

Lalanae wrote:I don't know of anyone who thinks Clinton didn't engage in some kind of sexual activity with Monica.

Most people think it was the biggest waste of time and money that it even became an issue in the first place.

I've said it before. Everyone loves a president that goofs off and fucks around during their time in office. It's all fun and games until the house of cards collapses and the next president has to clean up after them.

I'm waiting for someone to say that it's the republicans fault that the reason Bin Laden wasn't killed is because Bill was sleeping out on the couch trying to apologize to his daughter and wife instead of making decisions about air strikes in the middle east as Clinton himself admits to in his book.

It's great Bill was getting BJs but as president you have a lot of things to worry about while you're representing the citizens of the United States. Take one for the team if Hillary doesn't do it for you and beat off instead of cause issues that impact our nation's security.

VeeshanVault

Fox news! (sorry i have to see this)

Is fox news unbiased?

Fox news! (sorry i have to see this)