Chilling story

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » July 23, 2004, 12:23 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/07/22/911.fl ... index.html

he passenger revolt began at 9:57 a.m., nearly 30 minutes after the four terrorists aboard launched their takeover of the Boeing 757 loaded with more than 11,000 gallons of jet fuel.

As passengers charged the cockpit door, terrorist hijacker Ziad Jarrah began rolling the plane to the left and right, "attempting to knock the passengers off balance," the 9/11 commission report said. Jarrah told another hijacker in the cockpit to block the door.

By 9:59 a.m., Jarrah changed tactics and "pitched the nose of the airplane up and down to disrupt the assault."

"The [flight] recorder captured the sounds of loud thumps, crashes, shouts and breaking glass and plates. At 10:00:03 a.m., Jarrah stabilized the airplane," the report says.

"Five seconds later, Jarrah asked, 'Is that it? Shall we finish it off?' A hijacker responded, 'No. Not yet. When they all come, we finish it off.' "

Jarrah resumed pitching the plane up and down.

"In the cockpit. If we don't, we'll die," a passenger is heard saying.

"Sixteen seconds later, a passenger yelled, 'Roll it!' " the report says.

By 10:01 a.m., Jarrah stopped his violent maneuvers and said, "Allah is the greatest! Allah is the greatest!"

According to the report, he then asked another hijacker in the cockpit, "Is that it? I mean, shall we put it down?"

"Yes, put it in it, and pull it down," the other responded.

The passengers continued with their assault, trying to break through the cockpit door. At 10:02 a.m. and 23 seconds, a hijacker said, "Pull it down! Pull it down!"

"The hijackers remained at the controls but must have judged that the passengers were only seconds from overcoming them," the report concludes.

"The airplane headed down; the control wheel was turned hard to the right. The airplane rolled onto its back, and one of the hijackers began shouting, 'Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest.'

"With the sounds of the passenger counter-attack continuing, the aircraft plowed into an empty field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, at 580 miles per hour, about 20 minutes' flying time from Washington, D.C."
Struggle in the cockpit

The report says Jarrah intended to fly the plane into the White House or the U.S. Capitol. "He was defeated by the alerted, unarmed passengers of United 93," the report says.

The battle aboard the plane was burned into history by the story of one passenger, Todd Beamer, who used an onboard phone to call the FBI. At the end of his call, the operator overhead him say to other passengers, "Let's roll."

He and other passengers had learned of the attacks in New York and Washington after placing calls to loved ones.

In the weeks and months after the attacks, there were reports that officials believed passengers had overtaken the plane, forcing it to crash in the field in Pennsylvania. However, last year, officials began backing away from that theory.

Thursday's report gives no indication that passengers ever broke through the cockpit door, but it makes clear that passengers' actions thwarted the plans of the terrorists.

The report also gives harrowing details of the moments just before and after the plane was hijacked.

The plane, which had left Newark, New Jersey, for Los Angeles, California, at 8:42 a.m. carrying 37 passengers and seven crew members, received a warning from United flight dispatcher Ed Ballinger at 9:24 a.m.: "Beware any cockpit intrusion -- two a/c [aircraft] hit World Trade Center."

The message was sent by Ballinger to several aircraft to alert them of potential terrorists.

Two minutes later, at 9:26 a.m., pilot Jason Dahl appeared to be puzzled by the message and responded, "Ed, confirm latest mssg plz -- Jason."

"The hijackers attacked at 9:28," the report says. "While traveling 35,000 feet above eastern Ohio, United 93 suddenly dropped 700 feet. Eleven seconds into the descent, the FAA's air traffic control center in Cleveland received the first of two radio transmissions from the aircraft.

"During the first broadcast, the captain or first officer could be heard declaring 'Mayday' amid the sounds of a physical struggle in the cockpit. The second transmission, 35 seconds later, indicated that the fight was continuing. The captain or first officer could be heard shouting: 'Hey get out of here -- get out of here -- get out of here.' "

At 9:32 a.m., the report says, a hijacker "made or attempted to make the following announcement to the passengers of Flight 93: 'Ladies and gentlemen: Here the captain, please sit down keep remaining sitting. We have a bomb on board. So, sit.' "

The report also says a woman, most likely a flight attendant, was being held captive in the cockpit. "She struggled with one of the hijackers who killed or otherwise silenced her," it says.

The report says at least 10 passengers and two crew members contacted family, friends or others on the ground. They reported the hijackers were wearing red bandanas, forced passengers to the back of the plane and claimed a bomb was aboard, according to the report.

Flight 93 was the only hijacked plane that day with four hijackers aboard. All other flights had five hijackers.

The report says a man who was denied entry and detained in Florida a month before the attacks possibly was supposed to have been the fifth hijacker aboard Flight 93.

"The operative likely intended to round out the team for this flight, Mohamed al Kahtani, had been refused entry by a suspicious immigration inspector at Florida's Orlando International Airport in August," the report says.

Al Kahtani is currently being held at the detainee center at the U.S. naval base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » July 23, 2004, 12:28 pm

Hats off to the passengers, they are true heros.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 23, 2004, 1:03 pm

Aye. They are true heroes. Fuck Allah.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » July 23, 2004, 1:07 pm

Just when I thought Midnyte couldn't go lower he proves me wrong again.

Man you truly are a narrowminded redneck.

Kguku · Post by **Kguku** » July 23, 2004, 1:09 pm

Hats off to those heroes and I do hope no-one forgets what they did.

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Fuck Allah.

Now for this comment from you Midnyte, fuck you are a goddamn useless piece of shit. Just because these people are another religion does not imply that their religion asked them to do this, nor should it condone you making a comment like that. These were militants that took things to the extreme and went against the beliefs of their religion.

Post by **Sylvus** » July 23, 2004, 1:10 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Fuck Allah.

No, fuck terrorists. Fuck fundamentalists. Fuck anyone of the mindset that their belief system gives them a right to take the lives of those who don't share those beliefs. Allah has nothing to do with any of this, it's the fault of misguided followers of Allah. God, Yaweh, Zeus, L Ron Hubbard and J R R Tolkein also have some pretty messed up followers.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 23, 2004, 1:44 pm

I hope they never make this into a movie. The people on Flight 93 can't be done justice that way. Ignore all outside forces that brought about 911, these people were fighting for their lives and, while unsuccessful in saving themselves, saved other lives.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » July 23, 2004, 1:46 pm

Sadly, I bet they will. It will be some god awful TV movie with Timothy Daly or Lauren Holly.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 23, 2004, 1:48 pm

Fuck Allah. All hail George Bush! For he is the greatest!

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » July 23, 2004, 2:00 pm

You know what fucking pissed me off the most? You know... besides the waste of human life?

When they suggested that the passengers who crashed the plane on 9/11 didn't kill the terrorists and fail to land the plane as first thought, but probably just caused the terrorists to lose control of the flight, and a lot of americans got pissed off that anyone would suggest such a thing. Who the fuck cares if they successfully took the plane back or not? The result is the same. I guess to some people, having the bigger cock is more important than people's lives.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 23, 2004, 2:24 pm

Fuck Allah again. Until, I see a huge outrage by the leadership of this so-called "peaceful" religion....FUCK ALLAH. It has been 3 years since 9-11 and I have yet to see mass disapproval and discrediting of what they did then and the numerous things done in Allah's name everyday since then.

FUCK ALLAH !

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » July 23, 2004, 2:31 pm

Midnyte are you a Christian?

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » July 23, 2004, 2:32 pm

Doesn't allah = god?

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » July 23, 2004, 2:34 pm

My point exactly. Same god as the Christian god, they just call him a different name.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » July 23, 2004, 2:38 pm

People forget that Mid has several times made it clear he is not religious.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » July 23, 2004, 2:40 pm

Yea that's why I asked him.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » July 23, 2004, 2:41 pm

uh, muslim leaders have said many times that is not the way of their religion

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » July 23, 2004, 2:45 pm

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » July 23, 2004, 2:45 pm

Some people express their hate for God all the time on this board.

Little is changed to hear another join the chorus.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » July 23, 2004, 2:47 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:Some people express their hate for God all the time on this board.

Little is changed to hear another join the chorus.

I wouldn't call it "hate for God" because that implies they believe in a god. "Hate for religion" would be more precise.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 23, 2004, 2:53 pm

Lalanae wrote:
Adex_Xeda wrote:Some people express their hate for God all the time on this board.

Little is changed to hear another join the chorus.
I wouldn't call it "hate for God" because that implies they believe in a god. "Hate for religion" would be more precise.

Aye. I don't hate anyone really. I am merely expressly my angst for this rather large(or so it seems since their is little effort to make it seem any other way) segment, that is trying to tear our security away. I don't hate them, their God, or religion. I realize the need for all 3 of them. I just wish, as most do, that we lived in a 100% peaceful world. The reality is that will never happen, so I get angry at times. A completely natural response in my eyes.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » July 23, 2004, 3:08 pm

Lal,

Under such a broad definition I'd join you in saying I despise religion.

It dodges the impactful core issue.

Hatred.

His words are stunning to some extent because they imply an open acceptance of hatred, yet such hatred is expressed all the time here, towards different targets.

Hate is ugly. Rare is the time when we notice it anymore.

Krurk · Post by **Krurk** » July 23, 2004, 3:28 pm

So if someone I cared about worked in an abortion clinic was blown up by a bible-thumping asshole, than can I say fuck god and the whore who brought him into the world?

Probally not, because the asshole who did that and those who support his or her work represent a small minority of all who worship God.

Now run along son, Jerry Springer is on and your sister is horny.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » July 23, 2004, 3:40 pm

I would say that it is wrong to hate a terrorist or a clinic bomber, but is right to stop them.

It is wrong to hate a murderer, but it is right to stop him from murdering.

I can't think of any instance where hating a person is right.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » July 23, 2004, 3:41 pm

Shouldn't kyo be piping in about now?

Psyloche · Post by **Psyloche** » July 23, 2004, 3:42 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:I would say that it is wrong to hate a terrorist or a clinic bomber, but is right to stop them.

It is wrong to hate a murderer, but it is right to stop him from murdering.

I can't think of any instance where hating a person is right.

I kick your dog.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » July 23, 2004, 4:20 pm

My Dog!?

DIE IRL!!!

I hate Caniphobes!!!!

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » July 23, 2004, 4:51 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Fuck Allah again. Until, I see a huge outrage by the leadership of this so-called "peaceful" religion....FUCK ALLAH. It has been 3 years since 9-11 and I have yet to see mass disapproval and discrediting of what they did then and the numerous things done in Allah's name everyday since then.

FUCK ALLAH !

No, that's just not ok. Yes it's unfortunate there isn't more public support against these terrorists from the muslim community, but that doesn't mean it isn't there just the same. It's an extremely repressed culture where people aren't able to speak their disagreement (let alone flat out hatred) for their leadership. Changing that takes a lot.

That doesn't make their god or their belief system any less. It makes the terrorists worthy of our ire, but not the religion they twisted to their own agenda.

Guns don't murder people, people do. Both guns and religion are the same in that they are tools, to be used according to the disposition of those who control them - good or evil. Just as there are many good things done with guns, there are also bad things done with religion. Neither is inherently good or evil - merely their uses...

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » July 23, 2004, 4:53 pm

am merely expressly my angst for this rather large(or so it seems since their is little effort to make it seem any other way) segment, that is trying to tear our security away.

Yeah I kind of dislike Bush, Rummy, Cheney and Wolfboy as well.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 23, 2004, 5:49 pm

Kelshara wrote:
am merely expressly my angst for this rather large(or so it seems since their is little effort to make it seem any other way) segment, that is trying to tear our security away.
Yeah I kind of dislike Bush, Rummy, Cheney and Wolfboy as well.

And I respect that.

Rek, good analogy with the guns. I completely agree. I just enjoy talking in inflamatory terms sometimes. It feels good. Just trying to keep up with some of the haters on this board.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » July 23, 2004, 6:14 pm

wow.. bet you just heard a *wooosh* sound over your head..

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » July 23, 2004, 6:27 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Just trying to keep up with some of the haters on this board.

Blaming others for your infantile outburst? Why not just admit you were out of line instead of backpedalling and using others as an excuse.

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » July 23, 2004, 6:29 pm

He wouldn't be keeping in line if he did that, now would he!

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » July 23, 2004, 7:35 pm

Bunch of dumb fucks muddying the waters in a thread about people who are representative of good while whining about what you all think is bad.

All religions have good and bad, and most people attending churches/mosques/synagoges are exactly the hypocrits that need to be there learning.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 23, 2004, 8:31 pm

Lalanae wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Just trying to keep up with some of the haters on this board.
Blaming others for your infantile outburst? Why not just admit you were out of line instead of backpedalling and using others as an excuse.

I'm not blaming anyone. I like expressing myself in colorful words. I'm not backpedaling at all, in fact here's a little more for ya....you can go fuck yourself!

Allah can also go fuck himself. Better?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 23, 2004, 10:18 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Fuck Allah again. Until, I see a huge outrage by the leadership of this so-called "peaceful" religion....

I don't see christian leaders outraged over your president and his pet army killing 20x more civilians in Iraq than bin laden killed on 9/11.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 23, 2004, 10:20 pm

kyoukan wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Fuck Allah again. Until, I see a huge outrage by the leadership of this so-called "peaceful" religion....
I don't see christian leaders outraged over your president and his pet army killing 20x more civilians in Iraq than bin laden killed on 9/11.

The U.S. operates on the tenfold retaliation model. At this point we're prekilling in anticipation of the next terrorist attack.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 24, 2004, 9:24 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Lalanae wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Just trying to keep up with some of the haters on this board.
Blaming others for your infantile outburst? Why not just admit you were out of line instead of backpedalling and using others as an excuse.
I'm not blaming anyone. I like expressing myself in colorful words. I'm not backpedaling at all, in fact here's a little more for ya....you can go fuck yourself! Allah can also go fuck himself. Better?

Just a little FYI midnyte

Muslims have not comited 5% of the murders in the name of allah that christians have in the name of Jesus and "almighty god"

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 24, 2004, 10:04 am

Xzion wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Lalanae wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Just trying to keep up with some of the haters on this board.
Blaming others for your infantile outburst? Why not just admit you were out of line instead of backpedalling and using others as an excuse.
I'm not blaming anyone. I like expressing myself in colorful words. I'm not backpedaling at all, in fact here's a little more for ya....you can go fuck yourself! Allah can also go fuck himself. Better?
Just a little FYI midnyte

Muslims have not comited 5% of the murders in the name of allah that christians have in the name of Jesus and "almighty god"

I do not agree with people dying over religion at all. I can't believe people are willing to die and kill other people in the name of something they have not one single shred of proof of.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » July 24, 2004, 7:43 pm

WMDs!

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 24, 2004, 8:40 pm

Kelshara wrote:WMDs!

I knew someone would say that. WMD's was only one excuse. There were many legitimate reasons besides that to go into Iraq. Not the same.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » July 24, 2004, 8:42 pm

Like the "link" between Saddam and Bin Laden?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 24, 2004, 10:30 pm

Lynks wrote:Like the "link" between Saddam and Bin Laden?

No asshole. Like the one that he was a bad guy who was responsible for genocide, torture, etc.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » July 24, 2004, 10:36 pm

Ohhh, you mean like what Bush is doing. I get it.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 24, 2004, 10:53 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Kelshara wrote:WMDs!
I knew someone would say that. WMD's was only one excuse. There were many legitimate reasons besides that to go into Iraq. Not the same.

I like how Midnyte uses the word 'excuse' instead of justification.

George B is an evil man. He'll get along fine with the other evil people in Hell when he gets there!

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 25, 2004, 1:33 am

Aslanna wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Kelshara wrote:WMDs!
I knew someone would say that. WMD's was only one excuse. There were many legitimate reasons besides that to go into Iraq. Not the same.
I like how Midnyte uses the word 'excuse' instead of justification.

George B is an evil man. He'll get along fine with the other evil people in Hell when he gets there!

There's no talking to morons like you. Waste of fucking time.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 25, 2004, 2:04 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:There's no talking to morons like you. Waste of fucking time.

Funny. That's what the majority of the board says about you. I still don't understand why they bother. Free entertainment I guess.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » July 25, 2004, 2:45 am

Okay on the strength of this thread alone, I now view Midnyte as one of the few things lower than Kyoukan, Searxy, Pottamina, and Goth Lamer.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » July 25, 2004, 7:48 am

why does every current event thread revert to another Midnyte bashing thread?

Knibble · Post by **Knibble** » July 25, 2004, 8:35 am

I have to ask this.If Kerry was to take over now would he pull our troops out of there and leave it be?Would there be another major terriost attack?Do you really believe Kerry can fix things NOW?
They are so pissed off at us even if Kerry were to TRY and fix things USA would get hit hard and it will be far worse than 911.
Don't flame me on this I am only asking some simple questions cause I see many Bush bashings and Kerry lovers on the boards and it just makes me wonder what would really happen if Kerry were to take over today.