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Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » July 20, 2004, 5:05 pm

The US Gov is comming for you!

This is just sabre rattling by the govt to crack down on the one drug they can't make money on, and hopefully look tough on crime while doing it. Apparently we are to be lead to believe that years of kids growing hydroponic mary jane has created some form of Super Weed that is more potent than Booze, Heroine, and Cocaine put together? It must be those damn plant geneticists fault! Outlaw Unlisenced Botany! I am not a pot smoker, but I know enough people who do to just laugh my ass off of this.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » July 20, 2004, 5:25 pm

Did you really read the article? The concern is really about kids smoking pot at earlier ages and how it could have longterm affects. Habitual intake of any drug during childhood can have adverse effects on development.

I believed pot should be legalized for adult consumption, but I am strongly against minors using the drug or any other for that matter. Their bodies and minds are still developing and they are not mature enough to understand the effects.

There is propoganda on both sides. Both sides ignore some scientific evidence and spin other scientific evidence. Pot is not *good* for you, but its no worse than alcohol. People who demonize it or glorify it are fools.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » July 20, 2004, 5:35 pm

Alcohol is still harder for kids to get than weed, coke, or x. Illegality is certainly slowing down the drug trade!

I glorify pot smoking because I love it so much, not because I'm under the illusion it's something other than a really good high. HOORAY WEED!

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » July 20, 2004, 5:36 pm

I read the article. ITs horseshit. There have been underage kids smoking weed since the 1930s and it hasnt gotten any worse since the 1960s. In reality, Extacy and Alchohol are the drugs that are more on the rise (and Heroine), but mary jane is a lot easier of a target. It is especially ironic that the govt is proposing cracking down on teh potheads and their eugenically created superweed, while at the same time pushing forward with their "no child left without prozac" plan.

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » July 20, 2004, 6:04 pm

We have to protect the Ritalin Generation from mind-altering drugs that mellow them out!

..wait..

Asheran Mojomaster · Post by **Asheran Mojomaster** » July 20, 2004, 9:49 pm

I've personally been smoking since I was 13 and now at 17 I'm just fine. In fact I'm actually smoking right now, yay for me.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 20, 2004, 10:27 pm

Asheran Mojomaster wrote:I've personally been smoking since I was 13 and now at 17 I'm just fine. In fact I'm actually smoking right now, yay for me.

that's debatable!

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » July 20, 2004, 10:43 pm

I stuill say I would rather have pot legal than alcohol, I have an urge to hurt annoying drunk fucks, but the worst thing someone stoned has ever done to me was eat the last of the ice cream.

Trias · Post by **Trias** » July 20, 2004, 10:54 pm

I would predict that stronger pot makes the brain less likely to respond to endogenous cannabinoids

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 21, 2004, 1:37 am

masteen wrote:Alcohol is still harder for kids to get than weed, coke, or x. Illegality is certainly slowing down the drug trade!

I glorify pot smoking because I love it so much, not because I'm under the illusion it's something other than a really good high. HOORAY WEED!

Alcohol was always easy to get...Coastal bitch!(dont know if they have those anywhere else, little ghetto ass gas station that never checked IDs)
Actually I havnt smoked pot on a regular basis for almost 2-3 months, for no other reason besides the fact i dont feel like going out of my way to get any atm, although i think im going to have to refuel my "jet ski stash" because Jet Skiing just isnt as fun when your not high

Pot is by far safer then alchohol and several other illigal drugs
I do have hope that soon in my lifetime pot will be legalized

Unless the person holding a debate is for the illigalization of Alcohol, all arguments supporting the illigalization of Marijuana are complete bullshit, although i would love to see someone present one to me

Another fun fact, it would be safe to say that a good 75% of all americans in an artistic field (artist/actor/songwriter/screenwriter/author/etc) smoke pot

Post by **Sylvus** » July 21, 2004, 12:18 pm

Xzion wrote:although i think im going to have to refuel my "jet ski stash" because Jet Skiing just isnt as fun when your not high

While I'm definitely and wholeheartedly pro-legalization, statements like the above don't really help us convince others that legalization is the way to go. Operating a machine on the open water is probably not the best idea when you're high.

But if you're sitting around watching Aqua Teen Hunger Force with your friends, by all means, fire up that bowl.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 21, 2004, 12:33 pm

Sylvus wrote:
Xzion wrote:although i think im going to have to refuel my "jet ski stash" because Jet Skiing just isnt as fun when your not high
While I'm definitely and wholeheartedly pro-legalization, statements like the above don't really help us convince others that legalization is the way to go. Operating a machine on the open water is probably not the best idea when you're high.

But if you're sitting around watching Aqua Teen Hunger Force with your friends, by all means, fire up that bowl.

For most people, i would agree, but i would never get into an accident on a fucking jet ski, you have to be beyond the state of a whole hearted fucking idiot in order to get into an accident on a jet ski, no matter in what state of mind you are in

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 21, 2004, 1:52 pm

Pot is by far safer then alchohol and several other illigal drugs
I do have hope that soon in my lifetime pot will be legalized

I have to call you on the 'pot is far safer than alcohol' thing. Although it depends on how much alcohol you're talking about. A glass of wine a day has been shown to have positive health benefits. I doubt the same can be said for marijuanna.

Xanastik Fox · Post by **Xanastik Fox** » July 21, 2004, 2:01 pm

I have to call you on the 'pot is far safer than alcohol' thing. Although it depends on how much alcohol you're talking about. A glass of wine a day has been shown to have positive health benefits. I doubt the same can be said for marijuanna.

How many people do you know that actually only drink 1 glass?

Neost · Post by **Neost** » July 21, 2004, 2:09 pm

I could do with a glass of pot every night.....

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 21, 2004, 2:12 pm

Xanastik Fox wrote:
I have to call you on the 'pot is far safer than alcohol' thing. Although it depends on how much alcohol you're talking about. A glass of wine a day has been shown to have positive health benefits. I doubt the same can be said for marijuanna.
How many people do you know that actually only drink 1 glass?

Me, for starters. Not everyone drinks to get blitzed out of their head.

(Before someone points it out, yes, there are other studies that show alcohol may do just as much harm as it does good... So do your own research and come to your own conclusions.)

Truant · Post by **Truant** » July 21, 2004, 10:39 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Xanastik Fox wrote:
I have to call you on the 'pot is far safer than alcohol' thing. Although it depends on how much alcohol you're talking about. A glass of wine a day has been shown to have positive health benefits. I doubt the same can be said for marijuanna.
How many people do you know that actually only drink 1 glass?
Me, for starters. Not everyone drinks to get blitzed out of their head.

(Before someone points it out, yes, there are other studies that show alcohol may do just as much harm as it does good... So do your own research and come to your own conclusions.)

Actually, I have ONE drink every night when I get off work to help me wind down for sleep. However, I read something today about alcohol actually messing up deep sleep when it's effects wear off while you are under. So that might be ending soon...but I doubt it.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 21, 2004, 10:51 pm

Xanastik Fox wrote:
I have to call you on the 'pot is far safer than alcohol' thing. Although it depends on how much alcohol you're talking about. A glass of wine a day has been shown to have positive health benefits. I doubt the same can be said for marijuanna.
How many people do you know that actually only drink 1 glass?

I'll have just one drink now and then for sure. It's not always about getting pissed. Sometimes you just feel like a drink. They do taste good you know! (at least to me... I don't get people who drink it but hate it.)

Xanastik Fox · Post by **Xanastik Fox** » July 22, 2004, 1:10 am

Dregor Thule wrote:I'll have just one drink now and then for sure. It's not always about getting pissed. Sometimes you just feel like a drink. They do taste good you know! (at least to me... I don't get people who drink it but hate it.)

You are the minority. I know MANY more people that drink only to get wasted, many more than I know of that only drink for the buzz. (About 1 or 2)

Thess · Post by **Thess** » July 22, 2004, 1:29 am

How old are you Xanastik?

I normally have one glass of red wine every night - I do however get trashed sometimes as well though.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 22, 2004, 1:30 am

Xanastik Fox wrote:
You are the minority. I know MANY more people that drink only to get wasted, many more than I know of that only drink for the buzz. (About 1 or 2)

Maybe you live in a fraternity. A beer or some wine after work is the norm for many people.*

*FF's excluded

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 22, 2004, 1:40 am

I'm drunk right now.

Vodka is insidious

Asheran Mojomaster · Post by **Asheran Mojomaster** » July 22, 2004, 1:45 am

Actually, isn't smoking beneficial for your eyes? I've never saw a study on it, but I've always heard people say that, and I know a friend of mine used to have to wear glasses \ contacts until like 9th grade and he started smoking in 8th, his vision just got better somehow.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 22, 2004, 1:49 am

Location: Alabama - Redneck Capital of the World

Ya, that explains that.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » July 22, 2004, 2:09 am

The only real negative side effects that marijuana has are:

1. It might have minor effects on your short term memory
2. It can occasionally exacerbate neuroses or mental disorders in unstable people

And that's really it. The lung cancer / emphysema / etc side effects come into play because of the act of smoking, not because of marijuana itself. To the best of my knowledge, eating marijuana does not have carcinogenic side effects, although I haven't seen conclusive research. I would like too.

There are other side effects that some people will claim exist. I won't discount that they might. However, at this point, claiming that marijuana has further side effects is just as credible as claiming that smoking it will make you smarter.

That's not to say that it can't cause problems in a persons life. As with anything that is potentially addictive and mind altering, it can cause subtle changes in your thought pattern. However, on the scale of addictive things that have a negative impact on your life, I would say that marijuana is close to "surfing the internet," and pretty far away from "methamphetamine addiction."

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 22, 2004, 9:18 am

Xanastik Fox wrote:
Dregor Thule wrote:I'll have just one drink now and then for sure. It's not always about getting pissed. Sometimes you just feel like a drink. They do taste good you know! (at least to me... I don't get people who drink it but hate it.)
You are the minority. I know MANY more people that drink only to get wasted, many more than I know of that only drink for the buzz. (About 1 or 2)

In Europe it is common for even children to drink a glass of red wine with every meal, or 2ce a day. I commonly drink one or two beers alone for the flavor, and always go for a glass of Rioja at family dinners.

Thats probably the only argument I can find, you dont NECISSARILY drink alcohol to get drunk, but you almost always smoke a bowl to get a buzz
Of course that doesnt justify shit and getting drunk is not illigal

archeiron · Post by **archeiron** » July 22, 2004, 10:37 am

Wait, the American Public™ still believes that THC is addictive??!

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » July 22, 2004, 11:33 am

There's a difference between "chemically addictive" and "addictive".

I would think anything that makes you feel good has the possibility of being addictive.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » July 22, 2004, 2:20 pm

Xzion wrote:
Xanastik Fox wrote:
Dregor Thule wrote:I'll have just one drink now and then for sure. It's not always about getting pissed. Sometimes you just feel like a drink. They do taste good you know! (at least to me... I don't get people who drink it but hate it.)
You are the minority. I know MANY more people that drink only to get wasted, many more than I know of that only drink for the buzz. (About 1 or 2)
In Europe it is common for even children to drink a glass of red wine with every meal, or 2ce a day. I commonly drink one or two beers alone for the flavor, and always go for a glass of Rioja at family dinners.

Thats probably the only argument I can find, you dont NECISSARILY drink alcohol to get drunk, but you almost always smoke a bowl to get a buzz
Of course that doesnt justify shit and getting drunk is not illigal

Maybe not to get drunk but I would say ~90% of people who drink even 1 glass drink to relax which is hardly different than smoking a bowl at the end of the day. They drink for the physiological effects of the chemical. I'm sure there are people who drink a drink "just for the taste" but seeing as the chemical effects are there regardless of intent, one could question whether they are simply unconsciously associating taste with effect.

Chemical stress relief is a part of our culture. I think its ok provided the person is an adult and knows when enough is enough. Habitual use is usually a sign of a person self-medicating for depression and/or anxiety disorders (whether it be pot, alcohol, or caffeine) and anyone who needs a chemical on a daily basis should examine whether they are using the chemical as treatment for a bigger problem.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » July 23, 2004, 2:59 am

Sylvus wrote:
Xzion wrote:
although i think im going to have to refuel my "jet ski stash" because Jet Skiing just isnt as fun when your not high

While I'm definitely and wholeheartedly pro-legalization, statements like the above don't really help us convince others that legalization is the way to go. Operating a machine on the open water is probably not the best idea when you're high.

But if you're sitting around watching Aqua Teen Hunger Force with your friends, by all means, fire up that bowl.

For most people, i would agree, but i would never get into an accident on a fucking jet ski, you have to be beyond the state of a whole hearted fucking idiot in order to get into an accident on a jet ski, no matter in what state of mind you are in

Do you really think this way? What do you say to the relative of someone you kill one time when your high and driving? "Hey, it was not my fault I can do this high, it must have been them."

If you slow your responses at all, and some moron cuts in front of you, then the drugs could affect your response. Yes the drugs are dangerous to use when jet skiing, even for you.

Just wait until you get home then smoke away.

Deward · Post by **Deward** » July 23, 2004, 9:53 am

I brew all my own wine and beer. If I drank to get drunk every night then I couldn't make enough alcohol. People who drink just to get drunk are probably only drinking stuff that tastes like shit. I like to savor my wines and beers slowly. I will bring them out for nice occasions or for company but not to get rip roaring drunk.

Not everyone smokes pot just to get a buzz either. Marijuana is very good for migraine headaches and it usually only takes a toke or two to get the immediate effects of it. I personally don't like getting buzzed out of my mind but I do like getting rid of my headaches faster than aspirin does. Luckily I rarely get migraines anymore so I haven't smoked in quite a while.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 23, 2004, 9:13 pm

Tyek wrote:
Sylvus wrote:
Xzion wrote:
although i think im going to have to refuel my "jet ski stash" because Jet Skiing just isnt as fun when your not high

While I'm definitely and wholeheartedly pro-legalization, statements like the above don't really help us convince others that legalization is the way to go. Operating a machine on the open water is probably not the best idea when you're high.

But if you're sitting around watching Aqua Teen Hunger Force with your friends, by all means, fire up that bowl.

For most people, i would agree, but i would never get into an accident on a fucking jet ski, you have to be beyond the state of a whole hearted fucking idiot in order to get into an accident on a jet ski, no matter in what state of mind you are in
Do you really think this way? What do you say to the relative of someone you kill one time when your high and driving? "Hey, it was not my fault I can do this high, it must have been them."

If you slow your responses at all, and some moron cuts in front of you, then the drugs could affect your response. Yes the drugs are dangerous to use when jet skiing, even for you.

Just wait until you get home then smoke away.

Have you ever driven a jet ski?, let alone driven jet skis for over 10 years since you were around 12?
Have you ever driven anything high?
On the road theres traffic and mailboxes, in the middle of the fucking lake theres water and a boat here and there
Im more likely (.00000002%) to get in an accident when im sober then i am when im high (.00000001%) on a jet ski
Usually all il do is take a companion and some herb out on the next lake to bird island, and toke up there while staring off at the sunset in a tropical paradise just a 5 minute trip on your lake chain off your dock, while loading up some jam CDs and a towel while experiencing a state of ultimate tranquility and paradise

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » July 24, 2004, 7:52 am

Yes I have driven jet skis for a long time

Yes I have gotten high, and no I have not driven after I got high. They are called accidents for a reason. A lot of people die in boating accidents every year and I am sure they did not think it was going to happen.

I am not saying you are incapable of driving impaired, I am saying you are not as fast in responding to others when you are impaired and therefore more likely to get in a accident.

I have no problem with you getting high, but to think you are able to operate a vehicle better then others is wrong.

The only thing anyone does better high or drunk is bowling, period.

It was not a personal attack, you seem like a smart guy, which is why I was surprised by your stance on this.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » July 24, 2004, 6:19 pm

Lalanae absolutely nailed it. If you constantly use a drug that has physiological effects (alcohol), odds are you're using it for those effects, conscious or not.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 25, 2004, 2:20 am

I am partaking in some chemical stress relief as I write this.

Is it a beer, wine, vodka, a joint...you don't know! How unfortunate for us casual chemical stress relievers that others abuse them!

Kudo · Post by **Kudo** » July 25, 2004, 2:42 am

Sueven wrote:Lalanae absolutely nailed it. If you constantly use a drug that has physiological effects (alcohol), odds are you're using it for those effects, conscious or not.

No shit?

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