Condoms

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » July 19, 2004, 1:25 am

Concept: Using a condom basically results in two human beings gaining pleasure from sliding latex/rubber on their genitalia. There may be foreplay, oral, etc involved, but with a condom there is no genital/genital (or whatever else people want to do) contact. It has been argued that without genital contact there is no sex/lovemaking or heh "sexual relations".

Theory: Intercourse involving a condom is not sex, merely mutual masturbation utilizing a third party device.

Points: Obviously this relates to condoms as birth control between partners, not as a disease prevention thing.

Weigh in VV, what do you all think?

Kriista · Post by **Kriista** » July 19, 2004, 1:43 am

well if you wanted to get gritty with it real 'safe sex' has no unprotected oral either, you use dental dams or condoms

i think the idea is flawed for a few reasons
for one, theres insertion, thats pretty intimate right there
not to mention the femaes genitalia isnt covered, and depending on the position(for example doggy style) there is actual genital contact(the old balls slapping against the clit)

using your logic you could probably argue that fucking with clothes on isnt sex either

its an interesting concept, but very easily deflatable imo

as a side note, how many of you, or how many people do you know that practice safe sex?
nobody i know uses dental dams, or condoms for oral, unfortunately myself included
and OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of people i know do not have protected sex to begin with
im a big fan of the condom, until long relationship etc..
but after going through another 2 weeks of 'ghost of pussy past' as chris rock would say, im definately going to take more precautions

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » July 19, 2004, 1:46 am

Interesting idea kylere, but I have a question
When a guy blows his load on a girl's face, is it sex then?

Goth Ranger · Post by **Goth Ranger** » July 19, 2004, 1:50 am

If she swallows, does that count as taking her out for dinner too?

I'd probobly label sex with use of a condom as protection down to fucking.
Sex would by definition involve an attempt to create a child.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 19, 2004, 1:51 am

If you want to get technical, you loose your virginity to your mother when your born, provided your not born via C-section
Sure you dont get the same pleasure out of using a condom as not using one, but unless i know a girl fairly well, although i have in the past, i would never sleep with anyone without using one
As you know most sex goes beyond the actual physical pleasure

You also use the argument that sex with a condm is mutual masturbation using reproductive organs

If your having sex even without a condom without attempting to produce a child all sex is is mutual masturbation provided by reproductive organs

IeailandDokktur · Post by **IeailandDokktur** » July 19, 2004, 1:53 am

I would use a condom until i am ready to have a child.

Dont want to take any chances..

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » July 19, 2004, 1:55 am

Okay so based on what I am reading so far, as long as the balls smack and there is insertion it is still sex, okay additional question...

So if a guy puts a condom on and jerks off while using a dildo on the woman is that sex? there is still the intimacy, and intimate contact?

Also does sex involving a condom meet the "religious" requirements for consummation of a marriage?

(BTW I am not a moron, but this all came up at a party I was at tonight, and the debate was rather interesting)

Mplor · Post by **Mplor** » July 19, 2004, 1:59 am

Kylere, where were you when Bill Clinton needed you?

The Simpson's wrote:It depends on what your definition of is is.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 19, 2004, 2:23 am

I can't believe you guys are having this conversation.

Nilaman · Post by **Nilaman** » July 19, 2004, 2:36 am

Speaking of the Simpsons, let me leave you with this quote:

"Latex Con-domes, wish I lived in one of those"

Spankes · Post by **Spankes** » July 19, 2004, 3:20 am

Kinda a silly question. Trying to get out of trouble or something?

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 19, 2004, 3:42 am

Kylere wrote:Okay so based on what I am reading so far, as long as the balls smack and there is insertion it is still sex, okay additional question...

So if a guy puts a condom on and jerks off while using a dildo on the woman is that sex? there is still the intimacy, and intimate contact?

Also does sex involving a condom meet the "religious" requirements for consummation of a marriage?

(BTW I am not a moron, but this all came up at a party I was at tonight, and the debate was rather interesting)

No, the guy isnt inserting his personal reproductive organ into the femails
As long as this is done, regardless of what is between the reproductive organs it is sex

Why does "balls smacking" mean anything in itself?

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » July 19, 2004, 4:26 am

Kylere wrote:Okay so based on what I am reading so far, as long as the balls smack and there is insertion it is still sex, okay additional question...

So if a guy puts a condom on and jerks off while using a dildo on the woman is that sex? there is still the intimacy, and intimate contact?

Also does sex involving a condom meet the "religious" requirements for consummation of a marriage?

(BTW I am not a moron, but this all came up at a party I was at tonight, and the debate was rather interesting)

Umm.. the religious requirements are another can of worms. Given the Roman Catholic church doesn't allow condoms perhaps the marriage could be said to be unconsumated.. but for the legal definition (required for annulment) I would say it has been consumated.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 19, 2004, 5:01 am

I've said this before, until I see a dolphin pull out and blow their load on another dolphins fin, humans are the only species that has recreational sex.

The technicalities of what constitutes sex is only useful for ex presidents that claim they had no sexual relations to avoid perjury.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 19, 2004, 7:28 am

Winnow wrote:I've said this before, until I see a dolphin pull out and blow their load on another dolphins fin, humans are the only species that has recreational sex.

The technicalities of what constitutes sex is only useful for ex presidents that claim they had no sexual relations to avoid perjury.

Honestly, how many times have you seen a dolphin have sex?

masteen · Post by **masteen** » July 19, 2004, 11:30 am

Xzion wrote:
Winnow wrote:I've said this before, until I see a dolphin pull out and blow their load on another dolphins fin, humans are the only species that has recreational sex.

The technicalities of what constitutes sex is only useful for ex presidents that claim they had no sexual relations to avoid perjury.
Honestly, how many times have you seen a dolphin have sex?

More than I ever cared to. There used to be a branch of the Dolphin Research Center here. They're horny animals to begin with, and having a female in a pod about to give birth sends the males into overdrive. The males were humping each other, and the divers had to watch their backs, lest they get humped as well.

Back on topic, the dolphins did not use condoms.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » July 19, 2004, 12:12 pm

wow this is a pretty stupid thread

Madren · Post by **Madren** » July 19, 2004, 1:26 pm

if this came up at a party, it seems like some people there were trying to come up with rationalization for excusing some of their partners so their "number" is lower.

I've actually had an old girlfriend tell me that one of her men didnt count because " he only stuck it in her one pump ".

the stupid shit people think of to rationalize.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » July 19, 2004, 2:00 pm

Madren wrote:if this came up at a party, it seems like some people there were trying to come up with rationalization for excusing some of their partners so their "number" is lower.

I've actually had an old girlfriend tell me that one of her men didnt count because " he only stuck it in her one pump ".

the stupid shit people think of to rationalize.

Just like only taking it up the ass means you're still a virgin...

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » July 19, 2004, 2:15 pm

Did you put your dick in her? Anywhere? If yes, then you had sex.

It doesn't matter if she was dead or alive or some type of farm animal.

However,
"If the glove don't fit, you must acquit".

Shanter · Post by **Shanter** » July 19, 2004, 3:28 pm

Kylere wrote:So if a guy puts a condom on and jerks off while using a dildo on the woman is that sex? there is still the intimacy, and intimate contact?

Dude that's just wierd.

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » July 19, 2004, 3:47 pm

Winnow wrote:I've said this before, until I see a dolphin pull out and blow their load on another dolphins fin, humans are the only species that has recreational sex.

Bonobos (chimp like apes) have what many would consider to be recreational sex. They mix things up with a range of sexual positions and engage in same gender sex (both males and females do this), and even ape-pedohilia. Much of their activities may be more of a social behavior (establishing dominance, resolving conflicts, etc.) than actual recreation, but they also seem to use sex as a way to pass the time and amuse themselves.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 19, 2004, 4:33 pm

Xatrei wrote:
Winnow wrote:I've said this before, until I see a dolphin pull out and blow their load on another dolphins fin, humans are the only species that has recreational sex.
Bonobos (chimp like apes) have what many would consider to be recreational sex. They mix things up with a range of sexual positions and engage in same gender sex (both males and females do this), and even ape-pedohilia. Much of their activities may be more of a social behavior (establishing dominance, resolving conflicts, etc.) than actual recreation, but they also seem to use sex as a way to pass the time and amuse themselves.

This Bonobos argument was raised before as well. I think it was concluded that Bonobos would be a cool name in EQ.

Chimps And Bonobos:

Though very close in genetic relationship and virtually next-door neighbors, chimpanzees and a less-well-known species called bonobos in Zaire are socially poles apart. Only identified as a species separate from chimps in 1929, bonobos intrigue biologists with their easygoing ways, sexual equality, female bonding, and zeal for recreational sex.

How did bonobos, which live in humid forests south of the Zaire River, evolve such a different social structure from chimpanzees since the two species split about 2 million years ago? Male dominance plays a big role in chimp society. Disputes are often resolved by threatening displays or by fighting. Female chimps lead a life much more solitary than that their bonobo cousins, and are sometimes harassed by the much larger males. Sex is strictly about reproduction, and reproductive tactics can include infanticide -- the killing of offspring unrelated to a male chimp. Infanticidal individuals remove potential competitors to their own offspring, and the mother, without an infant to care for, will become available for mating again much sooner.

In contrast, bonobo society is marked by the strong bonds that develop between unrelated females and by almost constant sexual activity amongst all members of a group. Bonobos apparently use sex to reinforce bonds within the group and to resolve conflict. What evolutionary advantages do these behaviors offer?

Seeking the answer to that question, researchers noted that infanticide is almost unknown among bonobos. Their constant sexual activity obscures paternity, removing the incentive for infanticide, and the pervasive bonding of female bonobos, who form coalitions for mutual support and protection, removes the opportunity. Preventing infanticide is a huge evolutionary advantage for bonobo females, because more of their offspring will survive.

Interesting. I wonder if bonobos enjoy watching other bonobos have sex as well.

Rasspotari · Post by **Rasspotari** » July 19, 2004, 4:57 pm

Bubba Grizz wrote:Did you put your dick in her? Anywhere? If yes, then you had sex.

It doesn't matter if she was dead or alive or some type of farm animal.

then i add on this a side discussed in the movie chasing amy, because by that definition, lesbians can't have sex. because they dont penetrate each other with their sexual organ.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 19, 2004, 5:02 pm

all of you need to get laid

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 19, 2004, 5:22 pm

Voronwë wrote:all of you need to get laid

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masteen · Post by **masteen** » July 19, 2004, 5:28 pm

Stargi likes being ridden bareback.

Such a whore.

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » July 19, 2004, 5:43 pm

This Bonobos argument was raised before as well. I think it was concluded that Bonobos would be a cool name in EQ.

GOOD one Winnow, had me laughing in my chair there.

Bakara · Post by **Bakara** » July 19, 2004, 6:20 pm

i had to log in as quickly as possible to point out what an astronomically stupid thread this is

can you fuckheads not find something even remotely more interesting to debate about?

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » July 19, 2004, 7:09 pm

Post subject: im actually posting this while taking a shit

haha

he was too!

Trek · Post by **Trek** » July 19, 2004, 7:45 pm

I guess I have masturbated with a partner a lot in my youth. I do know that when you take your condem off after using it and smack the girl with it, doesnt give both parties the same reaction, whatever thats worth in this topic

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » July 19, 2004, 9:27 pm

Rasspotari wrote:
Bubba Grizz wrote:Did you put your dick in her? Anywhere? If yes, then you had sex.

It doesn't matter if she was dead or alive or some type of farm animal.
then i add on this a side discussed in the movie chasing amy, because by that definition, lesbians can't have sex. because they dont penetrate each other with their sexual organ.

they lick eachothers twat ...

Shanter · Post by **Shanter** » July 19, 2004, 9:37 pm

Well somebody watches a lot of girl on girl porn...

a_guide · Post by **a_guide** » July 19, 2004, 9:56 pm

Ummm correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that he was a homosexual male? Wouldn't that sort of rule out girl + girl porn...

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » July 19, 2004, 10:22 pm

a_guide wrote:Ummm correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that he was a homosexual male? Wouldn't that sort of rule out girl + girl porn...

yea no girl + girl porn here ... but it doesn't mean that i don't know how two girls get it on my best friends a lesbian .. lovely stories

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » July 20, 2004, 1:11 pm

I believe sex has taken place when the nipple makes its first appearance....

masteen · Post by **masteen** » July 20, 2004, 1:17 pm

Do dolphins have nipples?

Post by **Sylvus** » July 20, 2004, 1:57 pm

I've got nipples, Greg, can you milk me?