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Vile Swedish terrorist tortured at gitmo

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STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - A Swede released from Guantanamo Bay last week said he had been tortured by exposure to freezing cold, noise and bright lights and chained during his 2-1/2-year imprisonment.

Mehdi Ghezali, the son of an Algerian-born immigrant, told Swedish media in interviews published or aired Wednesday that he was interrogated almost every day at the U.S. naval base on Cuban soil.

The 25-year-old man, who was arrested in Pakistan where he says he was studying Islam, was released on July 8 after pressure from Sweden.

Ghezali told Dagens Nyheter daily and Swedish public radio he had cooperated for the first six months but stopped talking when his interrogators kept asking the same questions.

In April the military changed their tactics, he said.

"They put me in the interrogation room and used it as a refrigerator. They set the temperature to minus degrees so it was terribly cold and one had to freeze there for many hours -- 12 to 14 hours one had to sit there, chained," he said, adding that he had partially lost the feeling in one foot since then.

Ghezali said he was also deprived of sleep, chained for long periods in painful positions, and exposed to bright flashes of light in a darkened room and loud music and noise.

"They forced me down with chained feet. Then they took away the chains from the hands, pulled the arms under the legs and chained them hard again. I could not move," he said.

After several hours his feet were swollen and his whole body was aching. "The worst was in the back and the legs," he said.

Ghezali said he went Pakistan to study Islam in August 2001, before the September 11 attacks which triggered President Bush's war on terrorism and the U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan.

He said he was visiting a friend in the Afghan town of Jalalabad near the Pakistani border when the U.S. invasion started. He decided to return to Pakistan when he heard that villagers were selling foreigners to U.S. forces.

Pakistani villagers seized him as crossed the border from Afghanistan and sold him to Pakistani police, who turned him over to the U.S. military. He was flown from Pakistan to Afghanistan and arrived in Guantanamo in January 2002, he said.

He was released from Guantanamo on July 8 because he was no longer considered a threat to the United States.
His story pretty much corroborates a lot of others. Pakistanis and Afghans selling people they don't know to Americans to collect the $15,000 reward they put out on "terrorists." Another great idea that was Pres. Bush :roll:

I wonder what the percentage of actual terrorists are currently being tortured down there? Probably less than 5%
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hehe, makes sense to sell the foreigners to the US to. that way there will be no family or tribal retributions for you while you count your $$$.
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but but ... he was a supposided terrorist! it was ok duh just as long as we don't put them in "camps" and do "things" to them its all kosher you most of lost your memo ....
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""They put me in the interrogation room and used it as a refrigerator. They set the temperature to minus degrees so it was terribly cold and one had to freeze there for many hours -- 12 to 14 hours one had to sit there, chained," he said, adding that he had partially lost the feeling in one foot since then."


Some people would call that air conditioning, the ungrateful puke.
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teh guy was swedish, it was probably pretty fucking cold for it to bother him =)
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Swedes aren't used to AC!
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I seriously hope that this touches the hearts of our cold-blooded Bush supporters. I hope that not even Midnyte, Adex, and crew find it acceptable to torture innocent civilians in pursuit of finding terrorists. I hope that they can appreciate the parallel in our legal system, where we don't just throw anyone suspected of a crime in prison to make sure we get all the criminals.

This crap has to stop, and I don't even know what recourse Americans have to see it stopped other than waiting until November and crossing their fingers.
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Hold on there bud.

I'm no advocate for torture.


And I'm very uncomfortable with this idea of detaining people without charges or legal representation.
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Nobody knows if he is innocent, yet.
Just stating a fact.

Looking at what was going on at Abu-Grahib it's most possible that there is illegal treatment of the prisoners at Gitmo.

I can't understand how Gitmo is allowed, it's a PR trick gone bezerk.
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Adex_Xeda wrote:Hold on there bud.

I'm no advocate for torture.


And I'm very uncomfortable with this idea of detaining people without charges or legal representation.
Good, damnit!
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I think we should invade Sweden. Clearly, they're part of the Axis of teh Evil.
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Cartalas wrote:""They put me in the interrogation room and used it as a refrigerator. They set the temperature to minus degrees so it was terribly cold and one had to freeze there for many hours -- 12 to 14 hours one had to sit there, chained," he said, adding that he had partially lost the feeling in one foot since then."


Some people would call that air conditioning, the ungrateful puke.

I call it bullshit. Negative temperatures and naked for 12 hours would have killed him or left him with some serious frostbite. He sure as fuck doesn't seem dead and I am pretty sure they can tell if he is missing extremities.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:
Cartalas wrote:""They put me in the interrogation room and used it as a refrigerator. They set the temperature to minus degrees so it was terribly cold and one had to freeze there for many hours -- 12 to 14 hours one had to sit there, chained," he said, adding that he had partially lost the feeling in one foot since then."


Some people would call that air conditioning, the ungrateful puke.

I call it bullshit. Negative temperatures and naked for 12 hours would have killed him or left him with some serious frostbite. He sure as fuck doesn't seem dead and I am pretty sure they can tell if he is missing extremities.
But, but, Kill. It is negative toward Americans. It can't be bullshit. All reports of the actions of the evil Americans are always true. It's the reports of good news that is more often than not, bullshit. Geez man, you have a lot to learn.
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Sounds fishy! Even Wonko has doubts!
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I love Midnyte's cut and paste comment on every thread involving something negative heh.

That said, sub-freeze temperatures sound fishy. However, I doubt he would know wether the temperature was +2C or -2C or whatever.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote: I call it bullshit. Negative temperatures and naked for 12 hours would have killed him or left him with some serious frostbite. He sure as fuck doesn't seem dead and I am pretty sure they can tell if he is missing extremities.
Where did it say he was naked? A different account?
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I love Midnyte's cut and paste comment on every thread involving something negative heh.
I thought I was the only one to notice how much of a one-trick pony he is. Guess not!

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Aslanna wrote:
I love Midnyte's cut and paste comment on every thread involving something negative heh.
I thought I was the only one to notice how much of a one-trick pony he is. Guess not!
/sigh


anyways


From the Chicago Tribune

Guantanamo braces for change
The U.S. says secrecy has enabled it to collect vital intelligence from enemy combatants. Human-rights groups are skeptical. Military hearings begin this week.



By E.A. Torriero
Tribune staff reporter

July 12, 2004

GUANTANAMO BAY, Cuba -- For nearly two years, the prisoner refused to talk about terrorist connections. Then, a few days ago, an interrogator got him chatting.

Puffing on a cigarette, sipping coffee, and eating chocolate cake, he sat for hours in an orange jumpsuit and shackles talking to U.S. operatives in the "Gold 12" room of a trailer at the Navy's Guantanamo Bay base in eastern Cuba.

An intelligence analyst listened on headphones, watching from behind a two-way mirror while typing the prisoner's disclosures into a U.S. global database on terrorism.

At one point, an interrogator rose and gave the detainee an all-American high-five. The prisoner laughed.

"We get pieces of the puzzle," said Esteban Rodriguez, who leads the information-gathering teams. "Then we compare it to what others have said. We are getting successful intelligence."

Military and civilian interrogators at the highest levels here say the government has collected thousands of pages of intelligence at Guantanamo about terrorist cells in the U.S. and around the world, the financing of operations and the planning of the Sept. 11 attacks.

Such claims cannot be independently confirmed, and human-rights activists have doubts about the information.

But in intelligence briefings given here to the Tribune last week, the Tribune learned that recent information from Guantanamo has derailed plans for attacks during the Athens Olympics next month and possibly forestalled at least a dozen attacks elsewhere.

This detention facility has been cloaked in secrecy since the U.S. decided in early 2002 to bring prisoners from Afghanistan and elsewhere to Guantanamo. Now, the veil is lifting in the wake of a recent U.S. Supreme Court decision giving prisoners held as enemy combatants the right to challenge their detention.

In gaining access to the detention facility, the Tribune agreed to allow military officials to escort its reporter and photographer, to choose the itinerary and to screen photographs and delete those that the Pentagon regarded as compromising intelligence. Under the agreement, no detainees could be photographed showing their faces and no pictures were allowed of interrogations and of some other venues at the base. CNN, which toured Guantanamo at the same time as the Tribune, operated under the same arrangements.

Commanders here fear the Supreme Court ruling will cause the intelligence operation to be compromised because prisoners will have access to people outside the base. Under orders from President Bush, the nearly 600 detainees at Guantanamo have remained without hearings or counsel since 2002. In coming days, that will change as legal processes unfold.

There is much skepticism, however, about the value and legitimacy of what's been learned at Guantanamo.

Human-rights groups that have only incomplete lists of detainees' names reportedly have found that many were picked up in Pakistan, Afghanistan and elsewhere after the U.S. offered bounties for the capture of Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters.

In some cases, human-rights groups charge, detainees were wrongly apprehended because locals turned them in for the money.

Lawyers contend the government is inflating the value of its intelligence from Guantanamo to bolster its case to detain people without due process.

And there is no way to verify government claims about Guantanamo activities and humane treatment because interviews with prisoners are prohibited and documents classified.

"We don't know what goes on in Guantanamo because we haven't been allowed there," said Jumana Musa of Amnesty International.

Intelligence agents here acknowledge that up to half and possibly two-thirds of the detainees have little more of value to tell.

More than 150 detainees' cases have been in a bureaucratic limbo in Washington for the last year, awaiting review by several federal agencies. Commanders at Guantanamo say they hope the Supreme Court decision will hasten the release of those prisoners.

"We need to let go of those who have no purpose and who are no longer a threat," said one high-level commander.

Silent 10 percent

But senior officials say they are convinced that at least 10 percent of the prisoners have yet to talk.

Most of that percentage are hard-core terrorists who intelligence officers know have crucial information about Al Qaeda and terrorism, officials say.

While designed as a prison, Guantanamo's Camp Delta's primary mission now is not detention but intelligence gathering. The facilities are in a remote section of the naval base.

Detainees are mostly kept in Camp Delta in barracks. Military guards keep watch through personal and high-tech surveillance so that no inmate is out of sight for more than 30 seconds.

Detainees are taken several times a month to intelligence interrogations where U.S. operatives chat with them, mostly about their personal lives.

Interrogators probe for ways to get detainees to divulge intelligence. Sometimes that comes while playing board games with the detainees. Other times it comes out of building a personal relationship, interrogators said.

Detainees who cooperate are given incentives such as more time outdoors and additional toiletries. About 150 have been moved to a minimum-security area where they share communal meals, wear traditional white Arab clothing, are given reading lessons in their native languages and even get an occasional day of beach recreation.

"They have been consistently getting very valuable intelligence at Guantanamo," said Bob Newman, a former military intelligence officer and interrogation expert. Newman, now a Denver talk show host, said he speaks regularly with those involved in gathering intelligence at Guantanamo.

"If the American people only knew some of it, they would fight to keep Guantanamo as closed as possible," he said.

Droves of civilian lawyers will soon descend on the island to do otherwise.

The information they gather, along with descriptions of detention here from dozens of prisoners who may be freed soon, will give Guantanamo the public scrutiny that officials sought for years to avoid.

Starting this week, the inmates will be formally informed about the recent Supreme Court decision.

Over the next weeks, three military panels, each with three officers, will evaluate their cases. In the end, they will be charged, let go or transferred. The panels are to start early this week and work six days a week, conducting hearings for 12 prisoners a day and 72 per week, the Pentagon said Friday.

Meanwhile, more than 60 lawsuits have been filed in U.S. courts challenging the way the military plans to handle detainee cases.

Lawyers hope to get details from detainees to determine their treatment and the government's interrogation methods. From scant reports, lawyers fear detainees are suffering under the duress of being locked up, most of them in single cells, with no due process.

Several lawsuits allege that the detainees have been subject to duress such as being forced to stand for hours or sit for prolong periods in uncomfortable positions.

In interviews, guards, intelligence officers and senior leaders claim the kinds of abuses at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq did not occur here.

A handful of guards have been disciplined for breaking regulations and dealing harshly with detainees. But human-rights groups say conditions need review and transparency.

Tapes on way to Congress

This week, a congressional committee will receive hundreds of videotapes showing the conduct of an elite squad here that responds to trouble in the cells. It will be the first public airing of footage taken in the closed cellblocks that shows guards dealing with detainees.

Of the 500 tapes reviewed here by military commanders, at least three dozen are being analyzed further for possible violations, they said. Most are technical or procedural problems and do not constitute abuse, commanders say.

As the government braces for details about Guantanamo to be made public, the Pentagon is considering moving the detainees it considers of highest value elsewhere.

It's likely that Bagram air base in Afghanistan will soon become the hub of intelligence activities rather than Guantanamo, officials here predict.

"Guantanamo as we have known it will never be again," said a senior commander here. "The nature of intelligence gathering is that it is done in secret. That can't fully happen anymore."


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But, but, Mid. It is positive toward Americans. It can't be bullshit. All reports of the actions of the pure Americans are always true. It's the reports of bad news that is more often than not, bullshit. Geez man, you have a lot to learn.
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Kelshara wrote:But, but, Mid. It is positive toward Americans. It can't be bullshit. All reports of the actions of the pure Americans are always true. It's the reports of bad news that is more often than not, bullshit. Geez man, you have a lot to learn.
Very original and creative. Excellent way to mask my trying to point out your habitual negativity by making fun of me. Fanatastic work Kel.
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I am only negative towards those who deserve it, aka you and other Bush fanbois.
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Kelshara wrote:I am only negative towards those who deserve it, aka you and other Bush fanbois.
It's comments like that, that shows how little you pay attention. I am not a Bush fanboy, I am an America fanboy.

If you ever want people to respect anything you say, you have to show the ability to read and comprehend.
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First of all, I couldn't care less wether a nobody like yourself respect me or not. You are nothing to me. Secondly, the way you come across is very much like a Bush fanboi. Notice that a lot of the threads you cut and paste your standard reply to are about the administration and the president, NOT about the US in general. Now take your own advice about reading comprehension and figure that out.
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Kelshara wrote:First of all, I couldn't care less wether a nobody like yourself respect me or not. You are nothing to me. Secondly, the way you come across is very much like a Bush fanboi. Notice that a lot of the threads you cut and paste your standard reply to are about the administration and the president, NOT about the US in general. Now take your own advice about reading comprehension and figure that out.
It's obvious you have a perception problem.
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I call it bullshit. Negative temperatures and naked for 12 hours would have killed him or left him with some serious frostbite. He sure as fuck doesn't seem dead and I am pretty sure they can tell if he is missing extremities.
He didn't say he was naked.
Negative 'American' degrees is a lot colder than the temperature scale the rest of the civilized world uses. Zero degrees Celcius is about 32 in american degrees.
I doubt he was supplied with a thermometer and when you spend 12-14 hours in close to zero temperature it's probably difficult to differentiate between a few degrees.
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American degrees? You mean Fahrenheit? That scale was made by a German in the 1700's in Holland.
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yes but only americans use it now =p
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Damn you and your 'C'anadian degrees!
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miir wrote:
I call it bullshit. Negative temperatures and naked for 12 hours would have killed him or left him with some serious frostbite. He sure as fuck doesn't seem dead and I am pretty sure they can tell if he is missing extremities.
He didn't say he was naked.
Negative 'American' degrees is a lot colder than the temperature scale the rest of the civilized world uses. Zero degrees Celcius is about 32 in american degrees.
I doubt he was supplied with a thermometer and when you spend 12-14 hours in close to zero temperature it's probably difficult to differentiate between a few degrees.
"A few degrees" is completely irrelavant. The freeze point of water has nothing to do with death by hypothermia. A person can start to feel mild hypothermic effects when core body temperature falls as low as 97 degrees. If he was put in a room a room at anywhere close to freezing he would have easily been dead after 12-14 hours from cardiac and respiratory failure. If this room he was in was anywhere close to freezing- in fact, below 59F degrees- he would have achieved maximum vasoconstriction (minimal blood flow) and suffered severe damage to his extremities. If the worst he's suffering is a "numb" foot (if true), that tells me he wasn't anywhere close- not in any way, shape, or form- to "minus" temperatures.
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I don't suppose this guy was at all bitter and hoping to get back at his captors with some embellishments? I don't know anything about this event really, but I guess my fundamentalist bias skewed my first impressions!

And let's get real people. Cold weather and sleep depravation is hardly torture. That's also known as college.
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Hey Mak, your entire post is based on the incorrect assumption that he was held naked in sub-zero temperatures.

Kilmoll just pulled the naked part out of his ass.
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miir wrote:Hey Mak, your entire post is based on the incorrect assumption that he was held naked in sub-zero temperatures.

Kilmoll just pulled the naked part out of his ass.
Adequate, insulated clothing for cold weather is probably not standard issue to prisoners incarcerated on an island in the tropics. :P
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archeiron wrote:
miir wrote:Hey Mak, your entire post is based on the incorrect assumption that he was held naked in sub-zero temperatures.

Kilmoll just pulled the naked part out of his ass.
Adequate, insulated clothing for cold weather is probably not standard issue to prisoners incarcerated on an island in the tropics. :P
unless you are torturing them regularly, then you dress them in 5 layers with a parka in the middle of the tropics. :P
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"They put me in the interrogation room and used it as a refrigerator. They set the temperature to minus degrees so it was terribly cold and one had to freeze there for many hours -- 12 to 14 hours one had to sit there, chained," he said, adding that he had partially lost the feeling in one foot since then.
This is probably a translation error or something, nowhere in Swedish press has he stated he was kept at minus degrees(atleast what I have read). In today's Aftonbladet he says:
– De utövade både fysisk och psykisk tortyr mot mig. Jag fick vara i förhörsrummet i tolv, tretton timmar i sträck. De satte på luftkonditionering så det blev 12-13 grader kallt. På en skylt stod det 56 grader fahrenheit (13 grader plus, reds anm).
In english: "They exposed me to both physical and mental torture. I was kept in the interrogation room for 12-13hrs sessions. They set the aircondition so it was 12-13 degress celsius cold. On a sign it said 56 degress fahrenheit(+13 degress celsius)"

I think the confusion in this case is due to the wrong use of "cold".
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miir wrote:Hey Mak, your entire post is based on the incorrect assumption that he was held naked in sub-zero temperatures.

Kilmoll just pulled the naked part out of his ass.
My post assumed nothing of the sort.

I primarily made reference to a body's core temperature. I did not at any point state that he needed to be naked for the effects of hypothermia to manifest themselves.

But, since you brought it up, I will presume that ~if~ the intent of his interrogators was indeed to torture him with cold, he would not be given a sweater and thick socks beforehand. I mean, that sort of defeats the purpose, right?

As it stands, apparently there was, according to Gildan, a translation error. I'm sure quite a number of people made the same observations that Killmoll and I did, to whit- living 12-14 hours in "minus" temperatures without adequate protection is unlikely. Which was my only point.
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Gildan wrote: In english: "They exposed me to both physical and mental torture. I was kept in the interrogation room for 12-13hrs sessions. They set the aircondition so it was 12-13 degress celsius cold. On a sign it said 56 degress fahrenheit(+13 degress celsius)"
That's just cold enough to get his nipples hard so they could easily clamp on the electroshock devices.
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Gildan wrote:In english: "They exposed me to both physical and mental torture. I was kept in the interrogation room for 12-13hrs sessions. They set the aircondition so it was 12-13 degress celsius cold. On a sign it said 56 degress fahrenheit(+13 degress celsius)"
Wait, wait. They have signs showing them the temperature? Some kind of psychological thing I guess?
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Post by Krimson Klaw »

See? America could have avoided all of this by using Swedish degrees wilst torturing swedes, and Afghan degrees when torturing afghanis....or Islam degrees, hmm, this could get tricky.
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This is where some geeky person comes in and makes a joke about using the kelvin temperature scale.
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Aslanna wrote:This is where some geeky person comes in and makes a joke about using the kelvin temperature scale.
We have a winner. Self proclaimed geek title and everything!

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