Book burning

Acies · Post by **Acies** » July 13, 2004, 1:44 am

Book burnings

You know, my respect for Cedar Rapids, Iowa (and by default her authorities) went up a few notches. They didn't say "Not here, you small-minded bigot", but they did find every law in the book to throw at them to prevent it.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » July 13, 2004, 1:59 am

While I can udnerstand the want and desire to dispose of things you find grossly offensive.. they do realize that buy buying them in bulk to burn / throw away is giving money to the very people they are attempting to thawrt, no?

Please don't assume that my comments in the above statement equate to that I beleive in burning books and or flags or religious symbols of any kind.

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » July 13, 2004, 2:29 am

Bah Akaran, you beat me to it, were just about to ask the same thing.

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » July 13, 2004, 7:54 am

lol you know one of the candles are gonna find their way into the trash can .....

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 13, 2004, 9:37 am

looks like the christian fundies are getting bolder. next up comes the minority lynching and fag bashing in the name of jesus. I guess I cant blame them since they have full presidential support.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » July 13, 2004, 9:40 am

Kyu, book burning has been going on for about as long as books / pamphlets / scrolls have been written. It happens every day, just doesn't always make the news.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » July 13, 2004, 9:42 am

kyoukan wrote:looks like the christian fundies are getting bolder. next up comes the minority lynching and fag bashing in the name of jesus. I guess I cant blame them since they have full presidential support.

Everything comes down to the president with you!!

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 13, 2004, 10:35 am

everything goes down on the president to you!!

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » July 13, 2004, 10:42 am

Voronwë wrote:everything goes down on the president to you!!

That was Clinton

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 13, 2004, 11:44 am

yes cart that is the joke

Deward · Post by **Deward** » July 13, 2004, 12:37 pm

I worked as a contractor in rapids for about 7 months in the late 90s. I was actually told once that using my imagination was the same as devil worship. That town sucks.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » July 13, 2004, 12:43 pm

Much

for close minded religious individuals that can't see that using their minds / imagination / creativity can enhance your ability to worship their Diety, and not just lead to the path of sin, whatever they beleive that path to be.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » July 13, 2004, 1:38 pm

Shit man. I'd pay to watch a bunch of Harry Potter books get burned.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 13, 2004, 1:52 pm

LOL what a bunch of ignorant fools.

they probably don't know that anybody can have any book delivered to their doorstep, and if they order more htan $25, SHIPPING IS FREE!!!

i would love to see this going on in some small town nearby, i'd love to just walk up to the crowd and heckle them.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 13, 2004, 2:03 pm

Voronwë wrote:LOL what a bunch of ignorant fools.

they probably don't know that anybody can have any book delivered to their doorstep, and if they order more htan $25, SHIPPING IS FREE!!!

i would love to see this going on in some small town nearby, i'd love to just walk up to the crowd and heckle them.

Blast B.O.C. Burning For You at them during the bonfire.

Burn out the day
Burn out the night
I can't see no reason to put up a fight
I'm living for giving the devil his due

And I'm burning, I'm burning, I'm burning for you
I'm burning, I'm burning, I'm burning for you

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » July 13, 2004, 2:28 pm

Sadly there are fanatics in all religions who make the good people look bad. The world needs more Mother Theresas.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 13, 2004, 2:37 pm

Rekaar. wrote:Sadly there are fanatics in all religions who make the good people look bad. The world needs more Mother Theresas.

Aye. More giving people and less taking.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 13, 2004, 2:41 pm

I believe Jesus counseled his follows not to make a parade or spectacle of their faith - to pray in a closet.

Adelrune Argenti · Post by **Adelrune Argenti** » July 13, 2004, 2:45 pm

Voronwë wrote:I believe Jesus counseled his follows not to make a parade or spectacle of their faith - to pray in a closet.

Incorrect.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 13, 2004, 2:47 pm

NOW TEH GAUNTLET HAS BEEN THROWN DOWN!!!

I WILL OUT BIBLE THUMP YOU!!!

The Lord Jesus, Amen wrote:Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites
are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in
the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men.
Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
006:006 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when
thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in
secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee
openly.

BACK IN THE CLOSET WITH YOU!!!

Post by **Sylvus** » July 13, 2004, 2:54 pm

~~But voro, no one would actually suggest that you literally interpret what the Bible is saying~~

Oh wait, nm

Adelrune Argenti · Post by **Adelrune Argenti** » July 13, 2004, 3:16 pm

That was in reference to how the pharisees prayed as well as others who wanted to gain favor and seem like they were better people because they prayed so loudly. The point is that even if you pray silently or in a closet you are still heard.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » July 13, 2004, 3:18 pm

Voronwë wrote:NOW TEH GAUNTLET HAS BEEN THROWN DOWN!!!

I WILL OUT BIBLE THUMP YOU!!!

The Lord Jesus, Amen wrote:Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites
are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in
the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men.
Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
006:006 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when
thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in
secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee
openly.
BACK IN THE CLOSET WITH YOU!!!

Umm that was a Slam on the Pharasies and Rabies that prayed in public just to get attention. Remember when King Hezekiah made it illegal to pray to anyone but him? Isaiah prayed in plan site to set a example.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 13, 2004, 3:36 pm

Adelrune Argenti wrote:That was in reference to how the pharisees prayed as well as others who wanted to gain favor and seem like they were better people because they prayed so loudly. The point is that even if you pray silently or in a closet you are still heard.

yes exactly my point. Jesus is saying that public displays of religion to gain social favor are worthless. "they have their reward". referring to status in the political heirarchy, whatever, financial gain etc.

so you are saying that Jesus is not counseling his followers not to make a spectacle of religion?

it seems to me that it is a fairly parsimonious interpretation of

pray to thy Father which is in
secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee
openly.

that is suggesting true relationship with God is a private matter. No amount of drawing public attention to oneself will make one "more faithful" in the eyes of God.

Even if he was speaking of specific examples of the Pharisees, that does not mean that it is OK for people who aren't Pharisees to behave in effectively the same manner as the offending parties.

as for Isaih, that is from the Old Testament, which is a completely different religious text. In fact in truth , the deity described within is totally different than the Christian god, but that is another subject not fit for discussion in the absence of cold beers

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » July 13, 2004, 3:40 pm

I have to agree with that.
Remember, being humble is a part of most religions.. grandstanding does not equal being humble about your actions..

Do what you need to do, but remember, the greatest acts of kindness are the ones that noone will ever know who did them.

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » July 13, 2004, 3:40 pm

/think Addled Runes was pwned by the ranjer

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » July 13, 2004, 3:48 pm

Voronwë wrote:NOW TEH GAUNTLET HAS BEEN THROWN DOWN!!!

I WILL OUT BIBLE THUMP YOU!!!

The Lord Jesus, Amen wrote:Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites
are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in
the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men.
Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
006:006 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when
thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in
secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee
openly.
BACK IN THE CLOSET WITH YOU!!!

Finally proof that gays's can't be catholic!!! It's physically impossibly to be in and out of the closet at the same time!!

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » July 13, 2004, 9:30 pm

And God spake unto Homer, saying, "That Reverend Lovejoy really displeases me. I think I'll give him a canker sore".

Not that I don't enjoy a debate based on a fictional work with thousands of authors and hundreds of editors, but Voro's quote is no more verifiable than mine!

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 14, 2004, 11:19 am

actually my quote is extremely verifiable. just pick up the bible and look in there.

i wasn't claiming that it was "true", I was claiming that those words appeared in that order in the book

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » July 14, 2004, 7:03 pm

Voro you are half right as some others have tried to explain. However there's a difference between "making a spectacle of religion" and "leading people to the light."

They are not mutually exclusive. One is a means and one is an end. Jesus simply taught other means.

Also the quote talks about prayer, not living a faith. Also not the same thing.

Bottom line though - blind faith of anything is dangerous and it can be misled easily. That community is a victim of that. Good people led astray by an overzealous minister can do cooky things in the name of good. Take the Middle East or So. California as further example =p

One of the great things about modern times is how freely information flows and how much more prevalent free thinking is, simply because it's encouraged. Unfortunately by it's nature most of it is misconstrued through the Telephone Game Effect. The danger we run into is thinking that all establishments are bad and that we need to universally reinvent the wheel.

Enter: extreme liberals.

Society may need an enema but it doesn't need a whole new value base.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » July 14, 2004, 7:33 pm

Leading people to the light is a very biased statement.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » July 14, 2004, 7:40 pm

Umm Rekaar, religion has iniversally striven to RESTRICT information from reaching people. Religious leaders have interpreted the bible selectively and in diferent ways to support whatever their current agenda happens to be. That passage is pretty damn straightforward and it came from the mouth of a disciple of Jebus himself (the original nigger jew! Watch the the smoke come from fundie ears as they try to wrap their brains around that one) making it superceed any first testemant garbage, at least thats how Jesus suposedly intended it.

But of course, religion is the biggest tax exempt business in the world, so they have a vested interest in reinterpreting that passage. Consider this: Applying that only to non-Christians would be hypocracy which the passage itself denounces. Its like how the extra crispie jesus crispies like to quote obscure parts of leviticus to justify homophobia, but ignore the parts where it says to not eat pork and slap your bitch in line.

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » July 15, 2004, 7:26 pm

Do you really expect anyone to take your perspective seriously with posts like that? Can you make a point without insulting everyone that hears it?

and "leading..." was in quotes for a reason.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » July 15, 2004, 8:13 pm

Of course I expect you to take it seriously. I am citing examples from the very book in dispute and pointing out obvious examples of where the fanatical faithful are obeying it only selectively. I am also fighting years of brain washing in many people's cases. Extreme statements are the only way to get through to people who decide the best way to get their point across is to burn a bunch of stuff they don't like, rather than examine it and provide researched arguments about why they disapprove of it.

I could point out hypocracies of people who use religion as a tool to advance their personal views, often distorting or flat out disregarding vast portions of the book they are hiding behind. Just think about how many hard core antisemites and black haters wear their christianity like a badge of honor, when Jesus was both black and jewish?

Nowhere in my post did I insult you or your intelligence. I merely challenged your assertion and previded examples to back my position.

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » July 15, 2004, 8:17 pm

I wasn't aware the readers of this board participated in (or even endorsed) the event we were discussing. If that kind of language is "what it takes" then have at it, but you won't sway people like me to your point of view with it.

Looking for the citations too.