The boyfriend from hell

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » June 29, 2004, 2:37 pm

This makes Cape Fear seem like a Disney Special.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/179985_kids29.html

archeiron · Post by **archeiron** » June 29, 2004, 2:43 pm

Scary.

p.s. Adex, the title isn't consistent with the story. The (ex)"boyfriend" was the one that was killed. The girlfriend's son is the scary one.

Ransure · Post by **Ransure** » June 29, 2004, 3:05 pm

Maybe the guys going to come back from the dead and kill the bitch whos kids killed him....

Then the title would be alright....

masteen · Post by **masteen** » June 29, 2004, 3:37 pm

Looks more like another precious angel whos mother didn't give him the fatal beating he deserved.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 29, 2004, 7:35 pm

maybe the kid had inaccurate intelligence that the guy was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction, in which case his murder would be totally justified.

Cotto · Post by **Cotto** » June 29, 2004, 7:37 pm

Is it right to give your kids a smack?

I know when I was young and rightfully a little bastard a crack around the legs didnt me no harm (in the long run..obviously it hurt like hell then).

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » June 29, 2004, 8:10 pm

God damn, that is awful. It makes me so sick inside that people do these things.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 29, 2004, 9:23 pm

but 800 lb. sattelite guided bombs don't even make you flinch?

Karae · Post by **Karae** » June 29, 2004, 9:45 pm

kyoukan wrote:maybe the kid had inaccurate intelligence that the guy was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction, in which case his murder would be totally justified.

I can see it now!

Judge: How do you plead?

Kid: He had the capacity to make a weapon, see he had the capacity to make weapons. He was dangerous. And noone can argue that the world is better off..uh..with Larry Kloes..if Larry Kloes was still alive.

Judge: Case dismissed!

a_guide · Post by **a_guide** » June 29, 2004, 11:09 pm

I grew up in in that town... Graduated from Snohomish High School. Thats messed up.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » June 30, 2004, 11:19 am

Cotto wrote:Is it right to give your kids a smack?

I know when I was young and rightfully a little bastard a crack around the legs didnt me no harm (in the long run..obviously it hurt like hell then).

I grew up in a family that went through the progression of the wooden spoon on up to the riding crop. That ended when I got bigger than my mom.

My wifes family has a total of 2 spankings between 3 kids in their entire lives.

We all turned out as well adjusted people imho. So it depends on the family I guess. I would say a smack is in order if warrented though my wife would probably disagree. That is something we will work out when the time comes I guess.

In this day and age it is risky to swat your child in public because someone will see that as abuse and call social services on you. Next thing you know your kids will be taken away.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » June 30, 2004, 7:07 pm

Bubba Grizz wrote:
Cotto wrote:Is it right to give your kids a smack?

I know when I was young and rightfully a little bastard a crack around the legs didnt me no harm (in the long run..obviously it hurt like hell then).
I grew up in a family that went through the progression of the wooden spoon on up to the riding crop. That ended when I got bigger than my mom.

My wifes family has a total of 2 spankings between 3 kids in their entire lives.

We all turned out as well adjusted people imho. So it depends on the family I guess. I would say a smack is in order if warrented though my wife would probably disagree. That is something we will work out when the time comes I guess.

In this day and age it is risky to swat your child in public because someone will see that as abuse and call social services on you. Next thing you know your kids will be taken away.

Spanking is for lazy/ignorant parents. You can discipline your child without resorting to negative reinforcement. Child psychologists do not recommend spanking for a reason, but some people think that they know better than the experts.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » June 30, 2004, 8:03 pm

Lalanae wrote:
Bubba Grizz wrote:
Cotto wrote:Is it right to give your kids a smack?

I know when I was young and rightfully a little bastard a crack around the legs didnt me no harm (in the long run..obviously it hurt like hell then).
I grew up in a family that went through the progression of the wooden spoon on up to the riding crop. That ended when I got bigger than my mom.

My wifes family has a total of 2 spankings between 3 kids in their entire lives.

We all turned out as well adjusted people imho. So it depends on the family I guess. I would say a smack is in order if warrented though my wife would probably disagree. That is something we will work out when the time comes I guess.

In this day and age it is risky to swat your child in public because someone will see that as abuse and call social services on you. Next thing you know your kids will be taken away.
Spanking is for lazy/ignorant parents. You can discipline your child without resorting to negative reinforcement. Child psychologists do not recommend spanking for a reason, but some people think that they know better than the experts.

Some people have raised plenty of well adjusted children using spanking as a parenting tool. It's your intolerance and assumptions you know better that infuriate me. Plenty of psychologists? LOL

Why can't you raise your children the way you want and let other raise them how they wish.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » June 30, 2004, 9:18 pm

kyoukan wrote:but 800 lb. sattelite guided bombs don't even make you flinch?

How about 2000 pounds?

http://www.koreus.com/files/200406/bomb ... laser.html

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » June 30, 2004, 9:42 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Lalanae wrote:
Bubba Grizz wrote:
Cotto wrote:Is it right to give your kids a smack?

I know when I was young and rightfully a little bastard a crack around the legs didnt me no harm (in the long run..obviously it hurt like hell then).
I grew up in a family that went through the progression of the wooden spoon on up to the riding crop. That ended when I got bigger than my mom.

My wifes family has a total of 2 spankings between 3 kids in their entire lives.

We all turned out as well adjusted people imho. So it depends on the family I guess. I would say a smack is in order if warrented though my wife would probably disagree. That is something we will work out when the time comes I guess.

In this day and age it is risky to swat your child in public because someone will see that as abuse and call social services on you. Next thing you know your kids will be taken away.
Spanking is for lazy/ignorant parents. You can discipline your child without resorting to negative reinforcement. Child psychologists do not recommend spanking for a reason, but some people think that they know better than the experts.
Some people have raised plenty of well adjusted children using spanking as a parenting tool. It's your intolerance and assumptions you know better that infuriate me. Plenty of psychologists? LOL

Why can't you raise your children the way you want and let other raise them how they wish.

You obviously are a spanker. That doesn't surprise me considering your stupidity precedes you. Congrats you take the easy (lazy) way out. You only are only teaching your children that physically hurting another person is how disipline/punishment is supposed to be. Hitting another person, in any circustance is NOT effective communication. Effective discipline is teaching your children what is right and wrong without resorting to an act of physical aggression. Read what the experts have to say.

If you can effectively discipline your kid without hitting them, then why don't you do it? Or, do you enjoy it?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » June 30, 2004, 10:53 pm

Actually I am not a spanker. I just don't presume my methods are any greater than someone elses.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » June 30, 2004, 11:32 pm

Yeah what would psychologists know

Arilain · Post by **Arilain** » July 1, 2004, 12:49 am

I think it has more to do with why the child was being spanked. Did the child know why? etc. My sister has never spanked her daughter and she is a great young girl. However my nephew was a hellion until he made the mistake of telling his mom to fuck off at the age of four and try to hit her. So he got a good spanking. Now he is the most polite child you could ever know. Was this solely because he got spanked? Most likely not but I think it influenced him to listen to his mom more than before. It's more to do with the parenting I think.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » July 1, 2004, 5:56 am

Hitting another person, in any circustance is NOT effective communication

Sorry but it really is.
Your points are good but blanket statements like this just don't wash. I know some great parents who have been pushed to the extreme on very rare occasions. It happens. Child psychologists may have infinite reserves of professional detachment and patience but most harrassed parents don't.

I don't agree with beating children but I can imagine the odd scenario where it might be called for.
At the end of the day, out in the real world, persistant shockingly unacceptable behaviour will get you hit by someone so getting the occasional spank from a loving parent might be considered a valuable life lesson.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » July 1, 2004, 6:03 am

Spanking your kids doesn't make you a bad parent.

Not spanking your kids doesn't make you a good parent.

Being a good parent doesn't guarantee you well adjusted kids.

Being a bad parent doesn't guarantee your poorly adjusted kids.

Nothing works for everyone..

Spang · Post by **Spang** » July 1, 2004, 7:30 am

if the kids cut it back on, knock them out. that's why i don't smoke.

when i was a kid my daddy caught me smoking and he knocked me out.

and to this day i don't smoke, not because i'm scared of cancer.

i don't smoke 'cause i think my dad's gonna walk thru that door and knock me the hell out!

knock out your kids, it helps!

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 1, 2004, 7:58 am

Zaelath wrote:Spanking your kids doesn't make you a bad parent.

Not spanking your kids doesn't make you a good parent.

Being a good parent doesn't guarantee you well adjusted kids.

Being a bad parent doesn't guarantee your poorly adjusted kids.

Nothing works for everyone..

perfectly said

Mak · Post by **Mak** » July 1, 2004, 10:41 am

There's nothing wrong with a spanking once in a while. Nobody here is advocating abuse.

As a child, I knew that if I fucked up too badly I'd get one- and so I didn't do stupid shit all that often. My sister, on the other hand, didn't respond to that type of discipline at all, so my parents did other things.

Mort · Post by **Mort** » July 1, 2004, 10:48 am

Did Fesuni chime in on this yet? I think he likes teh spankage.......

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » July 1, 2004, 11:23 am

http://www.religioustolerance.org/spanking.htm

SPANKING: ALL POINTS OF VIEW

Flash news:
On 2004-JAN-30, the Supreme Court of Canada declared constitutional that provision of the Criminal Code of Canada that allows parents to use "reasonable force" in disciplining their children. The vote was 6 to 3 in favor. This law continues in place across the entire country.

Quotations:
"Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell." King Solomon, The Bible, Proverbs 23:14
"Children need discipline but not hitting." Dawn Walker, Canadian Institute of Child Health
"...optimal disciplinary responses begin with less severe tactics, such as reasoning, but proceed to firmer disciplinary tactics when the initial tactic achieves neither compliance nor an acceptable compromise." Robert Larzelere, Boys' Home

About spanking:
Since 1995 when this website was founded, spanking has become a high-profile controversy in North America.

Religious conservatives are among the main supporters of corporal punishment of children, probably because of their belief in the inerrancy of the Bible, and the frequent mentioning of spanking as a method of disciplining children in the book of Proverbs.
Most child psychologists, religious liberals, secularists, and others now oppose spanking.
The trend in North American society seems to be to abandon spanking in favor of other methods of child discipline.

The use of the word "spanking" to refer to the discipline of children appears to be largely a North American term. In Britain, it is generally called "smacking."

Our opinions:
We feel that corporal punishment of children is one of the most important, current, religiously-based, social conflicts.

In the past, studies into spanking have been inconclusive. Those researchers who opposed spanking found that it was dangerous and ineffective. Those who supported spanking found that it was safe and effective. This is fairly common in such studies: the researchers' original opinions tend to be confirmed by the data.

However, recent, longitudinal and objective studies seem to show that even moderate spanking can be devastating for a minority of children -- particularly males -- when they reach adulthood.

We suspect that when the results of some large, long-term behavioral studies become generally known, that many parents will discontinue spanking their children.

The stakes are extremely high: If corporal punishment advocates are correct, then the abandonment of spanking will significantly increase violence and criminal activity by the next generation of adults.

If corporal punishment opponents are correct, then the abandonment of spanking will greatly decrease adult violence, mental illness, addiction, and criminal activity.

This essay continues below.

Go to the link if you want more info.

From my personal experience, Beatings are Bad, Spankings are sometimes required.
My daughter is only 18 months old and I can't begin to imagine hurting her. Though there are times I could scream in frustration (other parents will understand). I believe that there will come a time when I will have to Swat her (that is a single slap on the rump) though I don't forsee any true spankings. Kids need to learn though that there are consequences for actions and a swat or spanking could be one of them.

I found the article an interesting read but I will not let it sway me one way or the other. We'll raise our children according to what we feel is right and not what some book says.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 1, 2004, 6:51 pm

Zaelath wrote:Spanking your kids doesn't make you a bad parent.

yes it does. if you hit your kids you are a bad parent, period. there is no debate to this issue whatsoever. anyone who spanks their kids is spanking them to relieve their own anger and not to discipline their children. I don't even see where the discussion is. if you are trying to teach your kid a lesson by fucking hitting him or her, then what lesson are you teaching?

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » July 1, 2004, 7:10 pm

That is bullshit. Kids need to learn punishment. Getting a few swats is the one thing that will keep them in line when they are young and gives them fear for doing bad things again. Every single family I know that does nothing but "time outs" or oter such crap has the most unruly undisciplined children you will ever see.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 1, 2004, 7:15 pm

Thess wrote:Yeah what would psychologists know

I'm not sure what psychologists know but psychiatrists can pump out the drug prescriptions like nobody's business. There's tons of drugged up people including kids that don't need to be.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » July 1, 2004, 7:31 pm

I haven't seen too many Ritalin babies that wouldn't be better served by a good butt whipping. While spanking a kid when you're mad is the worst thing to do, a more immediate response is needed to properly train kids than "time outs" or some similar hippy liberal crap.

Legenae · Post by **Legenae** » July 1, 2004, 7:32 pm

I was spanked when I was a kid and I'm perfectly fine. There is a huge difference between a little swat on the butt and an outright beating.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 1, 2004, 7:38 pm

why does every rightie automatically reference the extreme opposite of physical violence do defend their excuse to hit children? nobody said anything about time outs. there are dozens of ways you can discipline a child that doesnt involve beating the shit out of them, and your republican peers might not even make fun of you for doing it.

kids aren't stupid. maybe midnyte's are, but most kids aren't. they know when they've done something wrong and punishing them by taking away their priviledges or making them do extra work to make up for the trouble/damage they caused is appropriate in most cases.

archeiron · Post by **archeiron** » July 1, 2004, 7:43 pm

kyoukan wrote:... there are dozens of ways you can discipline a child that doesnt involve beating the shit out of them....

kids aren't stupid... they know when they've done something wrong and punishing them by taking away their priviledges or making them do extra work to make up for the trouble/damage they caused is appropriate in most cases.

Cause and Effect can be understand by 16 week old kittens (mine are now 9 months, so I have recent experience

), so I would assume that children pick up on this rather quickly. The notion of consequences to your actions is something that isn't that hard to build from there.

I guess most people would much rather let the TV be the parent, and only step in to administer physical punishments.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 1, 2004, 7:49 pm

Legenae · Post by **Legenae** » July 1, 2004, 7:53 pm

kyoukan wrote:why does every rightie automatically reference the extreme opposite of physical violence do defend their excuse to hit children? nobody said anything about time outs. there are dozens of ways you can discipline a child that doesnt involve beating the shit out of them, and your republican peers might not even make fun of you for doing it.

kids aren't stupid. maybe midnyte's are, but most kids aren't. they know when they've done something wrong and punishing them by taking away their priviledges or making them do extra work to make up for the trouble/damage they caused is appropriate in most cases.

First off, I'm not a republican; my fiance is, but I'm liberal. I'm not saying it is neither right nor wrong to spank a child. I'm just saying I had a couple of spankings when I was a kid (even with a wooden spoon), and I turned out fine. And one little swat is not "beating the shit out of them." As for taking away privileges and shit - when I was growing up, I ALWAYS found a way out of that, so it doesn't always work. But then, it also depends on the parents.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » July 2, 2004, 11:00 am

Sending a kid to their room isn't the viable punishment is used to be. Unless you cut the power to their room, that's exactly where they want to be. Extra chores only work for older kids; with younger ones, it usually ends up being punishment for the parents mroe than the kids.

You all talk like a 6 year old fully understands action and consequence. Kids that age still have imaginary friends and believe that fucking Barney is a real dinosaur.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » July 2, 2004, 4:02 pm

wtf? Barney isn't real?