Geddy Lee is the worst vocalist ever.
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Geddy sings notes that no other human male can hit without clamps on their nuts.
I think that Tom PEtty, Bob Dylan, and Tom Waits are all far worse vocally.
I think that Tom PEtty, Bob Dylan, and Tom Waits are all far worse vocally.
War is an option whose time has passed. Peace is the only option for the future. At present we occupy a treacherous no-man's-land between peace and war, a time of growing fear that our military might has expanded beyond our capacity to control it and our political differences widened beyond our ability to bridge them. . . .
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
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Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
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I wasn't evaluating their overall talent as a musician.
Strictly as vocalists, Petty, Dylan, Waits, Neil Young and many others suck. All of them make up for it with a combination of song writing, stage presence, and instrumental savvy.
Strictly as vocalists, Petty, Dylan, Waits, Neil Young and many others suck. All of them make up for it with a combination of song writing, stage presence, and instrumental savvy.
War is an option whose time has passed. Peace is the only option for the future. At present we occupy a treacherous no-man's-land between peace and war, a time of growing fear that our military might has expanded beyond our capacity to control it and our political differences widened beyond our ability to bridge them. . . .
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
kyoukan wrote:bob dylan? tom waits? what the hell is wrong with you people? are you all on the junk?
if all vocal talent meant was the quality of the singer's voice, then clay aiken and whatever that stupid whore that one this year would be legendary.
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This thread is still troubling.
Dylan, Petty, Waits, Young...they don't have aesthetically pleasing voices, don't get me wrong...but they have a vocal delivery that is unmistakeable. Unmistakeably good, at that.
And even Billy Corgan, who was mentioned above...sure... I wouldn't want to hear him sing me good night lullabyes, his voice matches perfectly with the hard edged music he makes...not to mention the version of landslide he did was beautifully fragile.
Dylan, Petty, Waits, Young...they don't have aesthetically pleasing voices, don't get me wrong...but they have a vocal delivery that is unmistakeable. Unmistakeably good, at that.
And even Billy Corgan, who was mentioned above...sure... I wouldn't want to hear him sing me good night lullabyes, his voice matches perfectly with the hard edged music he makes...not to mention the version of landslide he did was beautifully fragile.
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There is a huge difference between being a good singer and a good musician. A larger one still in being a good performer.
Bob Dylan- Great Musician, Fantastic Song Writer, Good Performer, Bad Singer
Neil Young- Great Musician, Good Songwriter, Stellar Performer, Mediocre Singer
Bette Middler- Good Musician, Sucky Songwriter, Stellar Performer and Singer
Gay Aiken- ? Musician (Never seen him play), Ass Songwriter, Awesome Performer (really charges the crowd), and Stellar Voice
To be successful, long term, you generally need to have some song writing ability, descent performance, and passable singing. Just look at the entire Hip Hop industry, with the most long running rappers not being able to carry a tune in a bucket. This discussion, however, is just about their singing. In that strictest sense, Tom Waits and Neil Young do not hold a candle to Mr Aiken, but Aiken is obviously going to not last a long time as a performer (unless he makes up for his blatant love of the cock and poor songwriting in other areas) with mainstream appeal.
Bob Dylan- Great Musician, Fantastic Song Writer, Good Performer, Bad Singer
Neil Young- Great Musician, Good Songwriter, Stellar Performer, Mediocre Singer
Bette Middler- Good Musician, Sucky Songwriter, Stellar Performer and Singer
Gay Aiken- ? Musician (Never seen him play), Ass Songwriter, Awesome Performer (really charges the crowd), and Stellar Voice
To be successful, long term, you generally need to have some song writing ability, descent performance, and passable singing. Just look at the entire Hip Hop industry, with the most long running rappers not being able to carry a tune in a bucket. This discussion, however, is just about their singing. In that strictest sense, Tom Waits and Neil Young do not hold a candle to Mr Aiken, but Aiken is obviously going to not last a long time as a performer (unless he makes up for his blatant love of the cock and poor songwriting in other areas) with mainstream appeal.
War is an option whose time has passed. Peace is the only option for the future. At present we occupy a treacherous no-man's-land between peace and war, a time of growing fear that our military might has expanded beyond our capacity to control it and our political differences widened beyond our ability to bridge them. . . .
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
if the only consideration is vocal aesthetics, fine...i still say vocal delivery has just as much importance as aesthetics.
For example, someone like Ben Harper...now he doesn't have a great voice, aesthetically. But god damned if he can't make you feel something listening to him.
If that's the case, then all operatics are brilliant, and all blues singers are horrible...which of course i vehemently disagree with.
For example, someone like Ben Harper...now he doesn't have a great voice, aesthetically. But god damned if he can't make you feel something listening to him.
If that's the case, then all operatics are brilliant, and all blues singers are horrible...which of course i vehemently disagree with.
Have to agree with Truant here. Another example off the top of my head is Louis Armstrong. Voice like gravel, but I sure do like to hear him sing. Also in terms of influence of vocal style he was pretty signficant.Truant wrote:if the only consideration is vocal aesthetics, fine...i still say vocal delivery has just as much importance as aesthetics.
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Your talking about someones stage delivery, not their vocal ability. There are blues singers who are phenominal vocalists too, like Stevie Ray Vaughn and Ray Charles. On the other hand you have some blues musicians with great stage presence, but mediocre vocal talent who are still great to listen to because of their overall musical ability like George Thoroughgood or Eric Clapton. You guys are missing the distinction.
War is an option whose time has passed. Peace is the only option for the future. At present we occupy a treacherous no-man's-land between peace and war, a time of growing fear that our military might has expanded beyond our capacity to control it and our political differences widened beyond our ability to bridge them. . . .
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
No I'm not, i'm not talking about stage delivery, I'm talking about vocal delivery.Jice Virago wrote:Your talking about someones stage delivery, not their vocal ability. There are blues singers who are phenominal vocalists too, like Stevie Ray Vaughn and Ray Charles. On the other hand you have some blues musicians with great stage presence, but mediocre vocal talent who are still great to listen to because of their overall musical ability like George Thoroughgood or Eric Clapton. You guys are missing the distinction.
Example, had "Like a Rolling Stone" been sung by anyone but Dylan, i don't think it ever would have worked...i'm not talking about written by, played by, I mean the way he sang that song...his rythyms, his inflections...it made that song work.
Second, Stevie Ray wasn't someone who had a great voice, but whether he was singing, or playing...he poured his soul out...again...what I would consider delivery over voice. His range was rather small...and his voice wasn't that great...in fact...he had the female vocalist from when he was triple threat teach him how to sing...because he was tired of trying to find a vocalist that would work his way.
Regardless, this isn't going anywhere...I can't think of any other way to explain it.
I'm not talking about someone's actual voice...but the way they sing. There are people with amazing voices, who do shit for me...because they are doing nothing more than going through the motions...singing some song that someone else probably wrote, just to sell some records...Then there are people who don't have much of any vocal talent, who sing a song in a way that makes it their own, and moves you in a way because of their delivery.