Hasta La Vista Cats and Dogs!

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » June 27, 2004, 7:36 am

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/s ... 07,00.html

Stray Dogs and Cats have three days before termination!

So sayeth the Governator!

It will save 100 millions a year he says!

SO, all people in California, better watch out and take good care of your pets, if they are out taking a stroll you better hope they get back within three days or you will hear

Hasta La Vista Baby, Your Cat/Dog has been Terminated!

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » June 27, 2004, 1:28 pm

He went back and changed it back yesterday, his daughter gave him hell.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 27, 2004, 8:41 pm

No collar or ID tag should = instant death. Owners that care about their pets should take reasonable measures to keep track of their pets.

People buy pets mostly on spur of the moment emotions. If you figure out too late that you didnt' think things through, at least take the pet down to the pound and kill it.

Just because your little kid wants a pet doesn't mean you have to get one! Buy them a robot pet.

If you're a responsible pet owner, more power to you but otherwise, lets cut down on yapping dogs and hairballs. Get rid of those shopping mall pet farms as well. Making a spur of the moment decision that will have up to a 14 year impact on your life isn't the way to buy a pet. Make it much more difficult to own a pet.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » June 28, 2004, 9:37 am

I wish my mom would have gotten me a robot pet instead of a real one. Maybe then Chopper would have actually learned to sick balls.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 28, 2004, 10:13 am

You know what is funny about this is that I recently acquired a kitten. We went to the Humane Society, spent several hours checking out kittens and finally selected one who had the temperment and cuddle factor my wife and I wanted in a kitten. (They (two kittens in this group) were dropped off at the Humane Society because they "acted like kittens" i.e. jumping on things, meowing, climbing.

We had to pay $90 dollars of which 40 went towards a certificate for a free "fixing" (ouch that hurts especially as I am thinking about doing it LOL) and the kitten had no shots, and the only medical work that had been done was a worming and a flea treatment.

So we get the kitten home, and spend the next 24 hours debating a name ( the top three finalists, Pixel, Charm, and Kitticatticus. Charm was chosen even though I was pushing pixel (by the way the kitten, she is all black but for one pixel of white fur on her neck and one white toe)

So a week later we get her into the vet for a checkup and to start the shots and such. Okay Feline Leukemia and HIV test, another worming since the vet says it is best to do them in tandem, one a bit after the other. A stool sample was done and checked and came up negative. Some vaccinations were given and a blood test ran, and he pushed a specific food ( Eukanuba) on us like he was a paid shill for the maker. Cost: $87.50.

We have a scheduled appointment next month for the "fix" ouch, another vaccination and a declawing ( which I still uncomfortable with the concept of but it does not seem to make cats that have been declawed less happy so I will go along with the vet on it.) cost $194. (minus a 40 dollar certificate, it is 154 but I still paid that 40 once)

So new kitten not including litter boxes etc. $331.50

You know, at this rate I truly understand people that do not do the right things by their pets, now of course I think they are ignorant bastards because if you cannot afford to take care of your pets properly then you should not have pets. but you know what I will not win this fight, because half of all children are born to homes that cannot properly take care of them.

Spay or Neuter your stray human and animals!

masteen · Post by **masteen** » June 28, 2004, 10:27 am

I think that they should put depo into the water supply. Prevent unwanted human animals!

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 28, 2004, 10:51 am

masteen wrote:I think that they should put depo into the water supply. Prevent unwanted human animals!

Nah this would be a bad call, Depo Provera is "teh eval" when it comes to birth control, [google]depo provera problems[/google] women are having tons of problems with Depo and it is causing birth defects, inability to conceive, major weight gain, etc.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » June 28, 2004, 11:02 am

I thought "inability to conceive" was the whole point of birth control...

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 28, 2004, 12:30 pm

masteen wrote:I thought "inability to conceive" was the whole point of birth control...

Not permanently Masteen

Dups. · Post by **Dups.** » June 28, 2004, 12:47 pm

masteen wrote:I wish my mom would have gotten me a robot pet instead of a real one. Maybe then Chopper would have actually learned to sick balls.

Stand By Me

Faerin · Post by **Faerin** » June 28, 2004, 12:53 pm

Kylere, I suggest reading this before deciding whether or not to declaw your cat (since you said you're uncomfortable with the idea): http://www.declawing.com/htmls/declawing.htm

masteen · Post by **masteen** » June 28, 2004, 12:59 pm

Don't declaw your cat until the little fucker has destroyed your couch. Trust me, it's much more satisfying that way.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » June 28, 2004, 1:45 pm

One of my cats was declawed before I really knew what it was all about.. and I regret it. It doesn't seem to bother him, but I at times hear "popping" sounds from his legs and I wonder if that was caused by the declawing. Hard to say though, he lived a very rough life the first few months of his life before I got him.

Our other cat is not declawed and she never scratches on anything but her climbing tower.

I would not declaw another cat now with the information I've gained about it. It truly is pretty barbaric.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » June 28, 2004, 1:57 pm

Kelshara wrote:One of my cats was declawed before I really knew what it was all about.. and I regret it. It doesn't seem to bother him, but I at times hear "popping" sounds from his legs and I wonder if that was caused by the declawing. Hard to say though, he lived a very rough life the first few months of his life before I got him.

Our other cat is not declawed and she never scratches on anything but her climbing tower.

I would not declaw another cat now with the information I've gained about it. It truly is pretty barbaric.

To play devils advocate.. Would you feel the same way if your other cat was clawing and scratching up everything? And if so what would you do about it?

masteen · Post by **masteen** » June 28, 2004, 1:57 pm

Kelshara wrote:I would not declaw another cat now with the information I've gained about it. It truly is pretty barbaric.

What's barbaric are the fucking retards who sit in their living room full of furniture all clawed to shit and tell you how fucking bad for a cat's psyche is it to be declawed. Yeah? You know what's bad for my psyche? Sitting in a room full of destroyed furniture because you can't control a lower animal.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » June 28, 2004, 2:23 pm

It's not that hard to teach a cat to not claw on furniture. My Norwegian cat is a wild one, hunter supreme and is HUGE. He dominates every cat in the area and is basically as high up on the cat totem as you can get. Yet after I started working on his scratching when he was a kitten he has never done it again.

How to do it depends a bit on the cat and what it dislikes. As an example, my Norwegian cat HATES water so that was very effective for him. Yet my cat here (the declawed one) LOVES water and jumps into the shower with me. Hence water would not be punishing at all for him. Use a mixture of punishment (NEVER beat, beat an animal and you are worse than.. well I don't know what) and incentives (aka a scratching post and make sure they get applauded/petted/given treats when using it) to enforce it.

And Aslanna.. I have yet to see a cat (with my 2 here and 1 back home, my sister's 3 cats etc) that you can not make stop scratching. And even IF my cat was scratching I can say that I wouldn't declaw it. It's pretty disgusting thing to do and I still remember how mine was right after the surgery. Poor thing

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 28, 2004, 2:37 pm

Kelshara, I was aware of all this and it is why I was uncomfortable with it. If our older cat (who was acquired prior to me being a resident of the household) was not declawed I would be entirely against it. But the vet who is against declawing said it was a bad idea to leave one with claws, while one is without.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » June 28, 2004, 2:54 pm

That is exactly the situation we have with our two cats.. older male (not old but older) is declawed, the young female is not. Both fixed/neutered (sp). They do run after eachother and "fight" now and then, but I have yet to see her actually use claws on him. The only times she uses claws is when we play "string" (aka drag a string around heh). Maybe she is special (she does have a brain injury from being abused before we got hold of her), but that is my experience.

Fredonia Coldheart · Post by **Fredonia Coldheart** » June 28, 2004, 4:52 pm

Kelshara wrote:It's not that hard to teach a cat to not claw on furniture. My Norwegian cat is a wild one, hunter supreme and is HUGE. He dominates every cat in the area and is basically as high up on the cat totem as you can get. Yet after I started working on his scratching when he was a kitten he has never done it again.

How to do it depends a bit on the cat and what it dislikes. As an example, my Norwegian cat HATES water so that was very effective for him. Yet my cat here (the declawed one) LOVES water and jumps into the shower with me. Hence water would not be punishing at all for him. Use a mixture of punishment (NEVER beat, beat an animal and you are worse than.. well I don't know what) and incentives (aka a scratching post and make sure they get applauded/petted/given treats when using it) to enforce it.

And Aslanna.. I have yet to see a cat (with my 2 here and 1 back home, my sister's 3 cats etc) that you can not make stop scratching. And even IF my cat was scratching I can say that I wouldn't declaw it. It's pretty disgusting thing to do and I still remember how mine was right after the surgery. Poor thing

Our first cat started scratching on the screens in the doors and windows. A shot from a water gun every time we caught him soon cured him of doing that. Never scratched on anything other than a scratching post after that.

When we finally lost him to cancer, we went to the pound and brought home a 7 yo that was already declawed. I really feel sorry for him and would never declaw a cat myself.

Ramseis · Post by **Ramseis** » June 28, 2004, 11:13 pm

I still don't see why people ever want an animal in their home. All of our animals stay outside don't have to worry about declawing or cleaning up after them and they are as happy as can be when we go out and play with them.

And declawing is disgusting.. How about I pull your fingernails out w/ pliers and see how well you like it.

Legenae · Post by **Legenae** » June 29, 2004, 12:29 am

When I was a kid, my mom had our cat declawed.

My two cats now though, have their claws, as I am against declawing. They don't scratch up the furniture all that much, and we stop them when they do try it. They have their big scratching post upstairs, and my fiance's old computer chair that he would rather have clawed up than our couch. I just keep the claws trimmed, as one of the cats now has a scar on her nose from the other one.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » June 29, 2004, 1:00 am

Outdoor cats are not allowed in the city I live currently (it is an university town and I expect they had problems with students leaving their animals behind etc). Plus, unless I lived in a VERY quiet area I would not have outdoor cats. Too many of them get killed. My cat back home is an outdoor cat though and he loves travelling the woods.

Mplor · Post by **Mplor** » June 29, 2004, 1:49 am

No declawing cats or circumcising babies. Or cats. *nod*

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » June 29, 2004, 11:46 am

Winnow wrote:No collar or ID tag should = instant death. Owners that care about their pets should take reasonable measures to keep track of their pets.

People buy pets mostly on spur of the moment emotions. If you figure out too late that you didnt' think things through, at least take the pet down to the pound and kill it.

Just because your little kid wants a pet doesn't mean you have to get one! Buy them a robot pet.

If you're a responsible pet owner, more power to you but otherwise, lets cut down on yapping dogs and hairballs. Get rid of those shopping mall pet farms as well. Making a spur of the moment decision that will have up to a 14 year impact on your life isn't the way to buy a pet. Make it much more difficult to own a pet.

Sometimes animals loose there collars/tags when loose. It's happened with one of our cats...he got hung up on a treebranch, and the break-away mechanism released. We found his collar along our back fence one morning when he got out. Luckly, he just went out for a little cruise, and came back an hour or so later.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » June 29, 2004, 12:58 pm

My cat here is extremely intelligent (the declawed one). He opens doors, cupboards etc etc. I have had several collars for him and he somehow manages to get out of every single one of them. He is too smart for his own (and ours at times) good!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 29, 2004, 2:46 pm

Skogen wrote:
Winnow wrote:No collar or ID tag should = instant death. Owners that care about their pets should take reasonable measures to keep track of their pets.

People buy pets mostly on spur of the moment emotions. If you figure out too late that you didnt' think things through, at least take the pet down to the pound and kill it.

Just because your little kid wants a pet doesn't mean you have to get one! Buy them a robot pet.

If you're a responsible pet owner, more power to you but otherwise, lets cut down on yapping dogs and hairballs. Get rid of those shopping mall pet farms as well. Making a spur of the moment decision that will have up to a 14 year impact on your life isn't the way to buy a pet. Make it much more difficult to own a pet.
Sometimes animals loose there collars/tags when loose. It's happened with one of our cats...he got hung up on a treebranch, and the break-away mechanism released. We found his collar along our back fence one morning when he got out. Luckly, he just went out for a little cruise, and came back an hour or so later.

That would make the search for your cat all the more exciting. Implant a tracking chip under the cat's skin. It's the only way to be sure!

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » June 29, 2004, 3:11 pm

Kylere wrote:Kelshara, I was aware of all this and it is why I was uncomfortable with it. If our older cat (who was acquired prior to me being a resident of the household) was not declawed I would be entirely against it. But the vet who is against declawing said it was a bad idea to leave one with claws, while one is without.

I don't remember where I read this, but don't cats fight with their rear paws more than their front?

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » June 29, 2004, 3:32 pm

Yes and no. If it gets really serious you will see one cat on his back kicking the living crap out of the other with his rear paws while using his front paws to hold off the other. But for more "friendly" fighting they usually go up on their rear paws and wave their front paws at eachother.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » June 29, 2004, 4:20 pm

ah cool, glad this thread started... I never knew that declawing was so horrid

cats except for the litter box!

Sassii · Post by **Sassii** » June 29, 2004, 4:40 pm

This is the first time in 10 years I've not had a cat in my home. I feel very liberated from the cat fur and litter box even though I miss having a kitty. I wouldn't just have an outside pet. I think animals should be made a part of your family if you are going to have one and leaving it outside just isn't fair imo.

edit: The electric litter box is your friend

masteen · Post by **masteen** » June 29, 2004, 4:45 pm

Some cats are not meant to be tamed. My last cat didn't like being in the house, even when she was a kitten.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 29, 2004, 7:11 pm

The best solution for people that wants pets is to partner up with someone that likes to dress up and act like an animal. That solves the litter and hairball issues. I suggest checking out the next cosplay convention near your town!

Sassii · Post by **Sassii** » June 30, 2004, 9:56 am

What exactly is the point of cosplay? Do people get turned on by those costumes? Or is it more of just a fun type thing?

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 30, 2004, 10:21 am

Sassii wrote:What exactly is the point of cosplay? Do people get turned on by those costumes? Or is it more of just a fun type thing?

alisachan.com

I think it all comes down to people liking it like some do Star Wars, or Star Trek. Nothing wrong with good looking women in hot costumes, what is scary is when the 300lb girls try to wear sailor moon outfits.