This guy is the Teflon Mockumentary maker. I trust him about as much as I would trust an LA cop to give an even break to a minority.Keverian FireCry wrote:Kylere, if you are gonna say things like that you need to back it up with proof. Simple as that. Otherwise, I don't want to hear it. If the only thing that he lied about is that the rabbit lady didn't live in Flint, then you were missing the point of the movie. It could easily be that not only Flint was effected by the closing of the GM plant, surrounding areas were too.
Im not trying to say I know as much as you do about the town, just trying to figure why Roger and Me seems to offend you so much. I would think pointing out the injustices done to your hometown by a careless corporation would be something you'd welcome.
List a couple myths he told about Flint along with what really happened, Id be interested to hear about whatever lies he told. I don't want to be lied to by a fellow liberal just as much as I don't want to be lied to by a conservative. I simply do my best to seek out truth, and if a movie I thought to be a great and informative political peice is mostly lies then I want to know what the lies are. Thanks.
Umm Keverian, he grew up in Davison Michigan. A upper middle, lower upper class almost entirely white town outside of Flint. Just like thousands of losers I met in the Army, he selected the next city someone may have heard of rather than admitting to being from Hooterville. He was born in Davison Michigan, if you look at 50 websites, you will see 50 answers for his home town, and he does not choose to clear up the discrepancy IMHO because he benefits from it. He was NOT elected to the Flint Board of Education as some places list it, he was elected to the Davison Board of Education and this is described and elaborated upon in chapter 5 "Idiot Nation" in his book "Stupid White Men." He was not the son of a poor white sharecropper as you may have been led to believe. Factory workers made WAY to much money then for the job skills they possessed, not to slam them for it, but in the 70's my entirely unskilled and drugged out uncle made 42k a year for placing a washer on a bolt all day ( of course like 90% of the UAW employees in the area he only worked once every 10 days or so, the UAW had entirely unrealistic staffing requirements so the employees would all clock in, then 5 of the 100 that should have been on the line would do the work while the rest went and got drunk and high.) I would not own a single vehicle made in Flint from 1970 to 1990 because they are literally death traps. I know the people that made them, and they cared little and worked less. It is easy for someone who was not living here to say otherwise but I am speaking of what I saw not what I heard.
The 1986 GM layoffs in Flint were about 5,000, not the 30,000 implied in the film, which transpired over a greater range of time (as in 10 years). The commercial projects, intended to revive Flint, all opened and failed before the 1986 layoffs, but Moore suggests they resulted from the GM cuts, they did not. Roger Smith offered him 2 chances to have an interview but Moore skipped them all and would only tackle attempt to interview him. Reagan's visit and the pizza shop was in 1980, before he was president and Robert Schuller came to Flint in 1987, after the Great Gatsby party. The government officials that paid for a religious leader to come pray...Democrats, Flint has only had 2 non democratic mayors in the last 45 years, democrats run Flint, and Genesee County, so the political mismanagement part of the crisis is entirely true, but you will never hear MM point out who blew it politically. The Rabbit chick did not live in Flint.
Keep an eye out and see if any of his new wealth (he had a lot of old wealth he admitted on the Fox News Channel show Hannity and Colmes that he lives in a $1.9 million dollar home in New York City, oh yeah and a 1.2 million home on Torch Lake in Michigan) but lets see if the new stuff is spent to help others or spent to further his own waistline.
Here's a guy fired from Mother Jones magazine for being being personally unbearable, he refused to run an article that criticized the Sandinista communists then oppressing Nicaragua lost his job as a result and sued them to get money for it that he used to slander Flint Michigan. Let me clarify he was fired for his views, and won his court case, as a result I am not taking that away from him. http://www.motherjones.com/ Is so liberal it makes my teeth hurt.
The people he worked with at TV Nation seem to have really hated him, check out the Salon.com articles below, he withheld payments worked against unionization etc.
Lies in Bowling for Columbine http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html
Moore's rebuttal and the counter from Hardylaw
http://www.hardylaw.net/MoorereplyHeston.html
About Michael Moore's Stupid White Men in the Vancouver Indymedia (of course be aware this is a liberal site)
http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/200 ... omment.php
Slates Unfahrenheit 911 Article, Were you aware he REFUSES to go to any show that may include hostile questions? How does he get this standard and not those he interviews?
http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/
Salon.com covers some of his lies
http://www.salon.com/june97/media/media970606.html
Michael Moore responds to Salon.com reporting, and is counter responded to
http://www.salon.com/july97/moore970703.html
Spinsanity covers moore rather well
http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20031016b.html
