For those of you who didn't follow the news during Clinton

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Clinton never really struck me as a loyalist to the democratic party. I think you're wrong. However he was image-conscious.

To claim that he launched missiles into a city to take the attention off his infidelity is ludicrous, though.

But to claim Bush did it for reasons other than what he said isn't ludicrous though? You are too fucking funny.

[Kylere]

I have no reason to believe that Clinton would not in fact have used a Tomahawk strike to deflect attention from donestic issues.

[Thess]

Maybe if Bush had told us the truth has to why Al Queda really does hate us, people wouldn't be so wary of his actions.

Al Queda hates us because we have a base setup to help with oil in Saudia Arabia, muslims do not like having 'christians' on their land. Muslims are also taught to hate in schools, and the best death is to be a martyr.

They also have a 30% unemployment rate.

They really could care less about their freedom, they just want us off their land.

[Arilain]

They hate us cause of Isreal. remember all this shit started happening in the 70's. Events now are only a reflection of the escalation to come.

[Rekaar.]

Terrorism is not a new idea. It is focused on the US now more than ever because now, more than ever, we are the greatest influence in the area for change. People of every nation fear change. Terrorist organizations are so terrified of it they are willing to kill themselves in resistance to it. Anything narrower than that is making a mountain froma mole hill. A base on Saudi land is just a readily available excuse.

It's about power really. If Western ideology takes hold in the region (as it inevitably will) their tactics and ideology go out the window...and they're too scared to learn a new system and use it to their advantage. Thousands of people all over the world fail for the very same reasons.

Much like the American middle class =p

I can say democracy will take hold because it builds on that fundamental entitlement of all people - the freedom to create a better life for you and your family. Once you have a taste of it you can never go back.

[kyoukan]

But to claim Bush did it for reasons other than what he said isn't ludicrous though? You are too fucking funny.

clinton attacked al'queda operations because he perceived them as a threat. he backed off after the GOP whiners accused him of murdering innocent babies and puppies to deflect attention away from his infidelity. because of the direct criticism and cock blocking of the rebublicans in congress, osama bin laden was allowed to escape and plan his attacks on the world trade center.

9/11 was an opportunity for bush to invade iraq and try to leave some sort of legacy for himself, and it was a new excuse for cheney and his cronies to further enrich themselves on the backs of lower and middle class tax paying americans. there was no other motive for this attack on iraq because it has been clearly demonstrated even before the illegal invasion that iraq was not a threat.

you really are too fucking stupid.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

But to claim Bush did it for reasons other than what he said isn't ludicrous though? You are too fucking funny.

clinton attacked al'queda operations because he perceived them as a threat. he backed off after the GOP whiners accused him of murdering innocent babies and puppies to deflect attention away from his infidelity. because of the direct criticism and cock blocking of the rebublicans in congress, osama bin laden was allowed to escape and plan his attacks on the world trade center.

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I wonder if the same will be said years from now when the next big terror attack happens.


This also shows the difference between Clinton and Bush. Bush doesn't cave into critism like Clinton did. He stays the course with what he feels is the right thing to do. Very interesting point Kyo. Very interesting. Maybe you aren't as bad as you make yourself out to be. Very very good point. Thank you for that insight.

[Kylere]

Kyoukan, if you can come down for a minute you have to admit that if Clinton had truly felt that Osama bin Laden was a threat and he failed to act over criticism then he is directly responsible for 911. Because a good president does the right thing even if criticized. Especially one in their second term that cannot run for reelection.

Look at Kennedy and civil rights, Nixon and China, Reagan and the military, Roosevelt and the WPA/SSA/TVA/WWII et al, Lincoln and the Civil War, just as a few quick examples.

Of course I have as much faith in you admitting the truth as I do in Midnyte. You two have a good deal more in common than either of you think.

[Cartalas]

But to claim Bush did it for reasons other than what he said isn't ludicrous though? You are too fucking funny.

clinton attacked al'queda operations because he perceived them as a threat. he backed off after the GOP whiners accused him of murdering innocent babies and puppies to deflect attention away from his infidelity. because of the direct criticism and cock blocking of the rebublicans in congress, osama bin laden was allowed to escape and plan his attacks on the world trade center.

9/11 was an opportunity for bush to invade iraq and try to leave some sort of legacy for himself, and it was a new excuse for cheney and his cronies to further enrich themselves on the backs of lower and middle class tax paying americans. there was no other motive for this attack on iraq because it has been clearly demonstrated even before the illegal invasion that iraq was not a threat.

you really are too fucking stupid.

Fuck off!!

[archeiron]

But to claim Bush did it for reasons other than what he said isn't ludicrous though? You are too fucking funny.

clinton attacked al'queda operations because he perceived them as a threat. he backed off after the GOP whiners accused him of murdering innocent babies and puppies to deflect attention away from his infidelity. because of the direct criticism and cock blocking of the rebublicans in congress, osama bin laden was allowed to escape and plan his attacks on the world trade center.

9/11 was an opportunity for bush to invade iraq and try to leave some sort of legacy for himself, and it was a new excuse for cheney and his cronies to further enrich themselves on the backs of lower and middle class tax paying americans. there was no other motive for this attack on iraq because it has been clearly demonstrated even before the illegal invasion that iraq was not a threat.

you really are too fucking stupid.

Fuck off!!

This response is as charming and eloquent as the president you are defending.

Bush doesn't seem to be driving the country as a representative of the people; he seems more intent on his own personal agenda. This may be true of many presidents in recent years, but I wonder how many of those have commited such reckless acts.

The irony is that Bush may lose his presidency for the same neglect to domestic affairs that his father was guilty of.

[kyoukan]

The president only react to immediate threats, which is what he did. Anything else requires the support of congress, which he did not have because they said he was using the situation to deflect attention away from his personal business. Do you disagree with this? If you do then please tell me exactly why and how Clinton should have taken further action without the support of the republican controlled congress.

IF the GOP had even a quarter of the foresight the clinton administration demonstrated then it's quite probable that 9/11 would never have happened. instead they focussed all their efforts on the impossible dream of impeaching the man over a petty issue with his personal life. how does all that blood on your hands feel?

Cart did you even last 3 days trying to not act like a stupid fucking "me too" troll with nothing worthwhile to say in any thread ever? Well I guess we'll take it in baby steps.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Arch,

Often the actions of a leader(current administration), confuse the peons(us). Your confusion and fighting and bitterness remind me of the way many teenagers act when their parents make decisions. They are just incapable of understanding. But they think they know everything and their parents are so stupid and they talk back and are incapable of understanding no matter how many times the parent explains it to them.

It really is quite humorous watching you and your kind flap around in the deep end of the grown up world.

[Kylere]

Kyoukan, there is no way you can even begin to say that ANYONE in office would have prevented 911 from occuring, unless Clark fucking Kent stepped through a worm hole to run from office that is.

Presidents have wide ranging powers to act without a declaration of war, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon all abused it while in office (For those counting that is 2 dems and a Rep). Findlaw has a great article speaking of Presidential war powers at http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20010914.html.

If Clinton truly believed that there was a serious threat he could have taken almost any action up to but not including a delcaration of war to fix the problem. He chose to go with popularity over responsibility.

Now I am not saying Bush2 is a good guy or a great President, but Clinton was utterly irresponsible on a World level for his entire 8 years.

[Thess]

Wow Kylere, that really explains why the majority of Europe and most of the world loved us during Clinton.

[Kylere]

All the world loves a clown Thess.

[Xzion]

Wow Kylere, that really explains why the majority of Europe and most of the world loved us during Clinton.

Well, the European PEOPLE didnt love us, the european people never love us...

[vn_Tanc]

Often the actions of a leader(current administration), confuse the peons(us).

Speak for yourself.