Clinton's book is oppresively dull

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » June 22, 2004, 12:43 pm

It is mostly rambling. Odd, Clinton is a bright guy, his book so far sucks. More later as I read more.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » June 22, 2004, 12:44 pm

You sound surprised...

Ennia · Post by **Ennia** » June 22, 2004, 2:31 pm

maybe it'll get more interesting when you get to Monica's part

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 22, 2004, 2:33 pm

The only interesting book about Clinton would be an unauthorized one by Hillary after she had lost her grip and spilled the beans.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » June 22, 2004, 3:53 pm

Clinton could have done us all a favor by hard coding a bookmark into the section that talked about monica.

Then we could just read that section in the bookstore and moved on.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » June 22, 2004, 4:47 pm

yeah but that would be very stupid. Bill CLinton may be a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them.

He also knows how to arrange a pay day for himself.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 22, 2004, 6:53 pm

when he left the office and was getting pandered to by every publishing company in the business, he said publically multiple times that he isn't a very good writer. clinton isn't a storyteller. I remember a couple years ago reading that he took a huge advance and hadn't even started writing a year after taking it, because he didn't know how to write a novel.

I respect clinton a whole lot but I don't think he's really lived a very interesting life beyond the presidency.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » June 22, 2004, 7:36 pm

Who's biography would you like to read Kyo?

Who's lead an interesting life in your opinion?

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » June 22, 2004, 8:02 pm

I'd like to read Colin Powel's if he did not hold back about his period in the White House.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 22, 2004, 9:19 pm

kyoukan wrote:when he left the office and was getting pandered to by every publishing company in the business, he said publically multiple times that he isn't a very good writer. clinton isn't a storyteller. I remember a couple years ago reading that he took a huge advance and hadn't even started writing a year after taking it, because he didn't know how to write a novel.

I respect clinton a whole lot but I don't think he's really lived a very interesting life beyond the presidency.

This part of his life seems pretty interesting. Check out the Clinton Death List!

The following is a partial list of deaths of persons connected to President Clinton during his tenure as Governor of Arkansas and/or while President of the United States and thereafter. Read the list and judge for yourself.

DARLENE NOVINGER - Former FBI operative, January 23rd, 2003. Novinger was known to hold sensitive information on the Clinton and Bush I administration's drug operations. Her husband murdered March 1987 when she went public with initial reports. Her father died July 8, 1993 four hours after Darlene was a guest on the Tom Valentine show. Suffered retaliation after reporting discussions by government protected drug smuggler who described contacts with Vice President George Bush and his son, Jeb Bush.

CHARLES RUFF - White House Counsel and Clinton defense attorney during the Monica Lewinsky scandal and the impeachment trial. Of apparent natural causes.

JAMES MCDOUGAL - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. McDougal was a key witness in Kenneth Starr's investigation.

MARY MAHONEY - A former White House intern was murdered July 6, 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened during the pre-trial publicity surrounding the Paula Jones lawsuit days after Newsweek's Mike Isakoff dropped hints that a former White House staffer was about to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

VINCENT FOSTER - Former White House counselor, and former colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose law firm. Foster was found dead July 20, 1993 of a gunshot to the head ruled a suicide. Rumours were that Foster and Hillary had an affair.

RON BROWN - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported to the Bob Grant Radio Show a hole in top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

C. VICTOR RAISER II - Former National finance Co-Chairman, Clinton for President Campaign and son MONTGOMERY RAISER died in a private plane crash in Alaska, July 30th,1992. Raiser was described as a major player in the Clinton organization by Dee Dee Meyers.

JEREMY "MIKE" BOORDA, President Clinton's former Chief of Naval Operations allegedly committed suicide by shooting himself in the chest with a .38 caliber pistol on his front lawn in May 1996. The unauthorized wearing of valor pins was the alleged reasoning behind the suicide. By 1998 this reasoning was proved false after the Navy issued a report that said Boorda earned the right to wear the pins afterall.

PAUL TULLEY - Democrat National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, Arkansas September 24, 1992, Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".

ED WILLEY - Clinton fund raiser-found dead November 30, 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide, Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed that Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

JERRY PARKS - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Parks' son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house

JAMES BUNCH - Died from a gunshot wound. Reported to have a black book of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

JAMES WILSON - Was found dead by hanging May 18, 1993. Was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

KATHY FERGUSON - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson died in May,1994 was found dead in her living room with a gunshot wound to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Corbin Jones lawsuit. She was reported a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones case.

BILL SHELTON - Arkansas state Trooper and Fiancee of Kathy Ferguson.Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.

GANDY BAUGH - Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater died by falling out a window of a tall building January, 1991. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

FLORENCE MARTIN - Accountant subcontractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Dead of three gunshot wounds.

SUZANNE COLEMAN - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to back of head, ruled a suicide, was pregnant at the time her death.

PAULA GROBER - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

DANNY CASOLARO - Investigative reporter, investigating Mena airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. Found dead with slit his wrists in the middle of his investigation.

PAUL WILCHER - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC Apartment. Had delivered report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

JON PARNELL WALKER - Whitewater Investigator for Resolution Trust Corporation. Fell to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.

BARBARA WISE - Commerce Department Staffer, worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

CHARLES MEISSNER - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

DR.STANLEY HEARD - Chair National Chiropractic Heath Care Advisory committee died with his attorney.

STEVE DICKSON - Died in a small plane crash. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.

BARRY SEAL - Drug running pilot out of Mena, Arkansas. Death was no accident.

JOHNNY LAWHORN Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a utility pole.

STANLEY MUGGINS - Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was never released.

HERSHELL FRIDAY - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

KEVIN IVES and DON HENRY - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas Airport Drug operation. This controversial case where initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the two had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many people linked to the case died (see below) before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING SIX PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

KEITH CONEY - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck in July, 1988.
KEITH McMASKLE - Died, stabbed 113 times, November 1988.
GREGORY COLLINS - Died from a gunshot wound, January 1989.
JEFF RHODES - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
JAMES MILAN. Found decapitated-Coroner ruled death due to natural causes.
JORDAN KETTLESON - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
RICHARD WINTERS - Winters was a suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths. Was killed in set-up robbery in July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING FORMER CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
- MAJOR WILLIAM S. BARKLEY JR.
- CAPTAIN SCOTT J.REYNOLDS
- SGT. BRIAN HANEY
- SGT. TIM SABEL
- MAJOR GENERAL WILLIAM ROBERTSON
- COL. WILLIAM DENSBERGER
- COL. ROBERT KELLY
- SPEC. GARY RHODES
- STEVE WILLIS
- ROBERT WILLIAMS
- CONWAY LeBLEU
- TODD McKEEHAN

And finally, BUDDY, the Presidential Dog, killed when he was struck by a car after having escaped his kennel.

noel · Post by **noel** » June 22, 2004, 9:32 pm

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/clinton.htm

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 22, 2004, 9:48 pm

noel wrote:http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/clinton.htm

I've seen that. It's a bullshit snope! The snope is vague is its response.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » June 22, 2004, 9:50 pm

Kelshara wrote:I'd like to read Colin Powel's if he did not hold back about his period in the White House.

Colin's son is a fucking asshole (head of the FCC)
I used to have a lot more respect for him, but over the past year or so he has gone way down in my book

Crav · Post by **Crav** » June 22, 2004, 10:18 pm

Just thought I'd mention that iTunes has the audio book and it's narrated by President Clinton.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » June 22, 2004, 10:49 pm

Ok that rocks. Im gonna get it on iTunes for my mom. She is a huge Clinton fan.

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » June 23, 2004, 5:23 pm

Guy at work read the book and said he could summarize it in one line:

"Everything I did was someone else's fault."

I don't plan to read the book, those of you that do please refute or support!

he took a huge advance and hadn't even started writing

10 million I believe, wonder if it turns out to be a loss =/

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » June 23, 2004, 7:06 pm

No loss. CNN Headline News likened it to the Adult version of a Harry Potter book. People were lined up outside Barnes and Noble for the Midnight release.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » June 23, 2004, 8:09 pm

It sold 400K copies on release day, most for any non-fiction book ever.. and that was in the US alone.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » June 23, 2004, 8:40 pm

People love Clinton,. There's no denying that.

Revs · Post by **Revs** » June 23, 2004, 9:26 pm

kyoukan wrote:I respect clinton a whole lot but I don't think he's really lived a very interesting life beyond the presidency.

Well he has an office in Harlem, anything can happen there